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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 23:50:54 GMT
Yeah, that's my point, the science says it's not necessary and the politicians say it is. We're not supposed to question the science or the people who ignore the science. That's propaganda, not science. No one is ignoring the science. The CDC is following the science. You can question the politicians all you want, but the CDC and the rules for the House are following the science. Scientists, epidemiologists and doctors are free to question the science. Still waiting for proof of your claim that the scientists are being censored. Could the CDC website provide more clear guidance? Yes, there’s room for improvement. The guidance changed just yesterday so I’m willing to give them a little more time to fix it before really criticizing. eta - There are plenty of other websites that do have clear guidance on the new recommendation. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/07/28/1021795290/cdc-mask-guidelines-indoors-vaccinated-by-county-covid-spreadStill waiting for proof of your claim that the scientists are being censored. Great, I've been waiting even longer for proof of your claim that people drank bleach. And for your proof that you wouldn't dismiss someone you vehemently disagreed with on the other side of the aisle. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 28, 2021 23:53:33 GMT
Nice try, but that’s not a gotcha. If that’s a picture of the Democrats from Texas, we’ve been through this before. The picture was taken before the recommendation changed. They were on a private plane - there is not a mask mandate. Furthermore, all of them have been vaccinated. They were following the recommendation and not breaking any mask mandate.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 28, 2021 23:54:16 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 23:54:30 GMT
No, that's not a fair assessment. If you google looking for answers and you click on the CDC's FAQs it takes you to the answer and they say NO, you don't need to wear masks if you're fully vaccinated. Yes it says updated in June, but you rely on their answer and it leads you to believe that it wasn't updated because it didn't NEED to be updated. No one thinks they need to do a deep dive investigation on the CDC information to make sure their information is correct, up to date and doesn't contain contradicting info. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 23:55:10 GMT
I’ll give you that one. It CAN be confusing. But it would be helpful if the Republicans would stop fighting the science every step of the way.
I can agree with that while also acknowledging that much of the information and people contradicting each other and the science should stop giving them reasons to feel like they have to fight it. (this hasn't been the only time or issue, not by a long shot) |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 23:56:17 GMT
I was not aware of that. I'll read your link. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 28, 2021 23:56:38 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 29, 2021 0:03:46 GMT
No one is ignoring the science. The CDC is following the science. You can question the politicians all you want, but the CDC and the rules for the House are following the science. Scientists, epidemiologists and doctors are free to question the science. Still waiting for proof of your claim that the scientists are being censored. Could the CDC website provide more clear guidance? Yes, there’s room for improvement. The guidance changed just yesterday so I’m willing to give them a little more time to fix it before really criticizing. eta - There are plenty of other websites that do have clear guidance on the new recommendation. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/07/28/1021795290/cdc-mask-guidelines-indoors-vaccinated-by-county-covid-spreadStill waiting for proof of your claim that the scientists are being censored. Great, I've been waiting even longer for proof of your claim that people drank bleach. And for your proof that you wouldn't dismiss someone you vehemently disagreed with on the other side of the aisle. US News 6-5-2020 “CDC: Some People Did Take Bleach to Protect From Coronavirus Some 4% of respondents reported drinking or gargling diluted bleach, while the same numbers said they used soapy water or disinfectants.” |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 29, 2021 0:05:21 GMT
No one is ignoring the science. The CDC is following the science. You can question the politicians all you want, but the CDC and the rules for the House are following the science. Scientists, epidemiologists and doctors are free to question the science. Still waiting for proof of your claim that the scientists are being censored. Could the CDC website provide more clear guidance? Yes, there’s room for improvement. The guidance changed just yesterday so I’m willing to give them a little more time to fix it before really criticizing. eta - There are plenty of other websites that do have clear guidance on the new recommendation. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/07/28/1021795290/cdc-mask-guidelines-indoors-vaccinated-by-county-covid-spreadStill waiting for proof of your claim that the scientists are being censored. Great, I've been waiting even longer for proof of your claim that people drank bleach. And for your proof that you wouldn't dismiss someone you vehemently disagreed with on the other side of the aisle. Forbes 8-24-2020 ”Some Americans Are Tragically Still Drinking Bleach As A Coronavirus ‘Cure’” |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 29, 2021 0:09:14 GMT
No one is ignoring the science. The CDC is following the science. You can question the politicians all you want, but the CDC and the rules for the House are following the science. Scientists, epidemiologists and doctors are free to question the science. Still waiting for proof of your claim that the scientists are being censored. Could the CDC website provide more clear guidance? Yes, there’s room for improvement. The guidance changed just yesterday so I’m willing to give them a little more time to fix it before really criticizing. eta - There are plenty of other websites that do have clear guidance on the new recommendation. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/07/28/1021795290/cdc-mask-guidelines-indoors-vaccinated-by-county-covid-spreadStill waiting for proof of your claim that the scientists are being censored. Great, I've been waiting even longer for proof of your claim that people drank bleach. And for your proof that you wouldn't dismiss someone you vehemently disagreed with on the other side of the aisle. The Insider - 8-26-2020 ”Nearly 50 people in North Texas drank bleach this month and officials are warning people it won't prevent or cure coronavirus” Michelle Mark Aug 26, 2020, 4:42 PM At least 46 people in North Texas drank bleach within the last month, according to the North Texas Poison Center. Most of the 46 cases did not result in serious injuries, but at least some of those callers mentioned coronavirus as a reason for drinking the chemical. Public health officials are now warning residents that bleach does not prevent or cure the novel coronavirus, and can instead be seriously dangerous to ingest. The Texas Poison Center Network also said in a statement it's seen a 71% uptick in calls involving bleach products, and a 63% uptick in calls involving other household cleaners.” |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 29, 2021 0:12:18 GMT
Sorry, no. 11 hours AFTER I asked the question, you liking a post you AGREE with does not prove your point that you wouldn't dismiss someone you vehemently disagree with. Of course you would. Show one single post of yours disagreeing with a Trump supporter or even just someone on the other side of the aisle, that you didn't bulldoze over until they just gave up. Or that you didn't get the last word in about them being wrong and consider it settled when actually they just know it's futile to stand by their statement because it would end up like this. Just one. Still waiting for that proof from you. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 29, 2021 0:14:44 GMT
Sorry, no. 11 hours AFTER I asked the question, you liking a post you AGREE with does not prove your point that you wouldn't dismiss someone you. Of course you would. Show one single post of yours disagreeing with a Trump supporter or even just someone on the other side of the aisle, that you didn't bulldoze over until they just gave up. Or that you didn't get the last word in about them being wrong and consider it settled when actually they just know it's futile to stand by their statement because it would end up like this. Just one. Still waiting for that proof from you. I’m not wasting time searching for it, but LindaS and I both posted on a thread a few months ago and agreed on term limits. I see still no proof proof of censorship or acknowledgement that my claim of people drinking bleach after former’s comment was accurate. Very convenient for you. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 29, 2021 0:16:04 GMT
Great, I've been waiting even longer for proof of your claim that people drank bleach. And for your proof that you wouldn't dismiss someone you vehemently disagreed with on the other side of the aisle. Forbes 8-24-2020 ”Some Americans Are Tragically Still Drinking Bleach As A Coronavirus ‘Cure’” Thanks for the info, I'm looking more into that since I was unaware of that. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 29, 2021 0:19:08 GMT
Sorry, no. 11 hours AFTER I asked the question, you liking a post you AGREE with does not prove your point that you wouldn't dismiss someone you. Still waiting for that proof from you. I’m not wasting time searching for it, but LindaS and I both posted on a thread a few months ago and agreed on term limits. Read it again. Agreeing with someone is not a problem you have. For Pete's sake, I even bolded and enlarged it that previous time so you couldn't miss it. Of course you would. Show one single post of yours disagreeing with a Trump supporter or even just someone on the other side of the aisle, that you didn't bulldoze over until they just gave up. Or that you didn't get the last word in about them being wrong and consider it settled when actually they just know it's futile to stand by their statement because it would end up like this. Just one. |
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Post by used2scrap on Jul 29, 2021 0:51:19 GMT
No, that's not a fair assessment. If you google looking for answers and you click on the CDC's FAQs it takes you to the answer and they say NO, you don't need to wear masks if you're fully vaccinated. Yes it says updated in June, but you rely on their answer and it leads you to believe that it wasn't updated because it didn't NEED to be updated. No one thinks they need to do a deep dive investigation on the CDC information to make sure their information is correct, up to date and doesn't contain contradicting info. And the very next sentence after that says you will still need to wear a mask following federal, state, local, workplace requirements etc. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 29, 2021 0:59:00 GMT
I’m not wasting time searching for it, but LindaS and I both posted on a thread a few months ago and agreed on term limits. Read it again. Agreeing with someone is not a problem you have. For Pete's sake, I even bolded and enlarged it that previous time so you couldn't miss it. Of course you would. Show one single post of yours disagreeing with a Trump supporter or even just someone on the other side of the aisle, that you didn't bulldoze over until they just gave up. Or that you didn't get the last word in about them being wrong and consider it settled when actually they just know it's futile to stand by their statement because it would end up like this. Just one. on the thread about the untaxed dude - page 5 halfway down. I don't know her political affiliation but I disagreed with her about the vaccine which has been politicized. johnnysmom Jul 26, 2021 at 8:29pm johnnysmom said: Merge Jul 26, 2021 at 7:56pm Merge said: In my experience, no. A fraction of kids in public school here are unvaccinated but nothing like the numbers who are avoiding this vaxx. It’s entirely political. While I’m sure it’s partly political I think a large part is because it’s so new. I hesitated gets my oldest the chicken pox and hpv vaccines due to their newness at the time and they’d been around for a few years. My response - Respectfully, I disagree. Some people may hesitate to get covid because it’s new, but 86% of Democrats have been vaccinated compared to only 54% of Republicans. The significant difference between political parties seems to indicate that it’s mostly political. Also, I don’t think chicken pox and hpv are good comparisons because of the severity of covid. In addition, I think parents may be more hesitant when it comes to vaccinations and their kids, the decision can be more emotionally driven. When the covid vaccine becomes available to younger children, the newness might become a bigger problem. I don’t think the covid vaccine has been available for 12-15 year olds long enough for the CDC to have reliable statistics about hesitancy for that age group. Eta - Vaccine misinformation is a big obstacle for both covid and the traditional vaccines. I’m not sure about hpv or chicken pox specifically, but I do know that the false study on autism and MMR undermined a lot of parents confidence in the vaccine and continues to be a problem. Another example - we disagreed with LindaS but did not bulldoze her regarding the pipeline and jobs 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/121978/deal-on-infrastructure-planAnd with that, I am done arguing with you. You can even have the last word. I apologize for my role in derailing another thread. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 29, 2021 2:03:29 GMT
Read it again. Agreeing with someone is not a problem you have. For Pete's sake, I even bolded and enlarged it that previous time so you couldn't miss it. on the thread about the untaxed dude - page 5 halfway down. I don't know her political affiliation but I disagreed with her about the vaccine which has been politicized. johnnysmom Jul 26, 2021 at 8:29pm johnnysmom said: Merge Jul 26, 2021 at 7:56pm Merge said: In my experience, no. A fraction of kids in public school here are unvaccinated but nothing like the numbers who are avoiding this vaxx. It’s entirely political. While I’m sure it’s partly political I think a large part is because it’s so new. I hesitated gets my oldest the chicken pox and hpv vaccines due to their newness at the time and they’d been around for a few years. My response - Respectfully, I disagree. Some people may hesitate to get covid because it’s new, but 86% of Democrats have been vaccinated compared to only 54% of Republicans. The significant difference between political parties seems to indicate that it’s mostly political. Also, I don’t think chicken pox and hpv are good comparisons because of the severity of covid. In addition, I think parents may be more hesitant when it comes to vaccinations and their kids, the decision can be more emotionally driven. When the covid vaccine becomes available to younger children, the newness might become a bigger problem. I don’t think the covid vaccine has been available for 12-15 year olds long enough for the CDC to have reliable statistics about hesitancy for that age group. Eta - Vaccine misinformation is a big obstacle for both covid and the traditional vaccines. I’m not sure about hpv or chicken pox specifically, but I do know that the false study on autism and MMR undermined a lot of parents confidence in the vaccine and continues to be a problem. Another example - we disagreed with LindaS but did not bulldoze her regarding the pipeline and jobs 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/121978/deal-on-infrastructure-planAnd with that, I am done arguing with you. You can even have the last word. I apologize for my role in derailing another thread. In both cases you told them they're wrong and you got the last word. Not at all examples of you being able to let someone come back and disagree with your assessment and backing up their statements in the process. Yeah, this whole conversation has become long and drawn out to absurdity. But i suppose that was your plan all along. Better that, than admit misinformation about Trump when it slants so beautifully against him. Right? |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 29, 2021 15:24:16 GMT
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 29, 2021 16:17:28 GMT
I don't think he is a moron. He's the guy who realized separating the Starbursts colors/flavors for TFG would gain favor.  His stance has NOTHING to do with respecting science. And, IMHO, he thinks his constituents are morons and could care less about misleading them. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 29, 2021 16:41:38 GMT
McCarthy really is a moron. Here's his statement yesterday on the new recommendations regarding masks.
“Vaccines work and vaccinated Americans should not have to wear masks. The same bureaucratic ‘public health experts’ who completely upended our society by pushing lockdowns and yearlong school closures now want to force Americans to return to pre-vaccine control measures. By forcing vaccinated Americans to return to masks, the Biden administration is not only casting doubt on a safe and effective vaccine, but contradicting why vaccines exist. Children should not be forced to wear masks in classrooms for 8+ hours when the actual science proves they are at low risk of contracting or spreading the virus. Make no mistake — the threat of bringing masks back is not a decision based on science, but a decision conjured up by liberal government officials who want to continue to live in a perpetual pandemic state.”
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 29, 2021 16:49:59 GMT
McCarthy really is a moron. Here's his statement yesterday on the new recommendations regarding masks. “Vaccines work and vaccinated Americans should not have to wear masks. The same bureaucratic ‘public health experts’ who completely upended our society by pushing lockdowns and yearlong school closures now want to force Americans to return to pre-vaccine control measures. By forcing vaccinated Americans to return to masks, the Biden administration is not only casting doubt on a safe and effective vaccine, but contradicting why vaccines exist. Children should not be forced to wear masks in classrooms for 8+ hours when the actual science proves they are at low risk of contracting or spreading the virus. Make no mistake — the threat of bringing masks back is not a decision based on science, but a decision conjured up by liberal government officials who want to continue to live in a perpetual pandemic state.” Dear Asshat, If you and your idiot friends in congress hadn't backed former in his desire to politicize a pandemic and destroy our country, maybe more people would be vaccinated. But no, you jackasses had to go there and now the same idiots that vote for you are getting and spreading Covid and there is a good chance there will be another mutation that will break through this vaccine. All because you science denying pieces of shit wanted to pander to your uneducated and moronic base. ~signed someone who is vaccinated doesn't WANT to wear a mask, but will if need be because you all are selfish assholes |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 29, 2021 17:11:33 GMT
I'll just add to your letter.
If you and your friends in Congress would get vaccinated, share that information publicly (no, it is not a HIPAA violation) and encourage your constituents to get vaccinated, we would not have the surge that we're currently fighting. You are partly responsible for the unvaccinated dying of Covid. You're killing your own base. If we can't convince you to do the right thing for ethical reasons, then for your political careers, which are clearly a top priority to you (maybe the only one), do the right thing and GET VACCINATED!
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 29, 2021 18:40:55 GMT
What is this fool even talking about…
I have to say there are some things the progressives propose I think are nuts. Having said that I know their goal is to help the American People so I grumble about it and support most of what they propose.
But this stuff coming from the Republicans is not only nuts but dangerous to the well-being of the country. And if I was a Republican I would run as far away as I could from this absolute craziness that is the Republican Party,
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 29, 2021 18:58:54 GMT
What is this fool even talking about… I have to say there are some things the progressives propose I think is nuts. Having said that I know their goal is to help the American People so I grumble about it and support most of what they propose. But this stuff coming from the Republicans is not only nuts but dangerous to the well-being of the country. And if I was a Republican I would run as far away as I could from this absolute craziness that so ghe Republican Party, I am a registered republican, I haven't voted that way in a long time, but I would respect and consider a republican running who is not a kiss ass if former |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 29, 2021 20:30:10 GMT
I don't even understand how you make the leap from the Kavanaugh hearings to the Jan 6 insurrection. That doesn't even make sense, it's completely illogical.
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 1, 2021 4:18:23 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 1, 2021 4:23:34 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 1, 2021 22:29:49 GMT
Not one person stated that everyone took to drinking bleach. Here’s predictable Gia, attempting to negate factual truth. Some people DID drink bleach and other similar products. That’s all that was said. And here you are—instead of just admitting you were once again wrong, you double down, scrape the bottom of the barrel to find some rag who gives you an inch of hope to prove it false. Another EPIC Gia failure. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 1, 2021 22:34:32 GMT
People are confused because of people like you. Constantly spreading disinformation, lies, falsehoods. The Republican Party is a fear mongering, lying disinformation campaign on its own. People like you opposing science/scientists under the guise of “questioning” does not make you smarter—it makes you dangerous and foolish. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 1, 2021 22:35:54 GMT
Right from the article she posted.... It was NOT a myth!!!
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "the daily number of calls to poison centers increased sharply at the beginning of March 2020 for exposures to both cleaners and disinfectants." Bleach "accounted for the largest percentage of the increase (1,949; 62.1%), whereas nonalcohol disinfectants (1,684; 36.7%) and hand sanitizers (1,684; 36.7%) accounted for the largest percentages of the increase among disinfectant categories. Inhalation represented the largest percentage increase from 2019 to 2020 among all exposure routes, with an increase of 35.3% (from 4,713 to 6,379) for all cleaners and an increase of 108.8% (from 569 to 1,188) for all disinfectants."
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