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Post by pretzels on Nov 20, 2014 16:29:44 GMT
I don't know. From what I've heard/read, she's had a rough life in general, even without a possible rape by Bill Cosby. She doesn't help herself when she's putting her crazy out there 24-7. Well, it seems these "allegedly" raped women can't do anything right. If their damage is manifested by unstable behavior, we criticize them. If they clam up and don't make accusations, we criticize them. What behavior should a model rape victim exhibit? Oh Jesus. I am not the only one questioning Janice Dickinson's credibility. You're absolutely right. I have a list of acceptable behavior for rape victims. And you are a Janice Dickinson apologist. FFS.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 16:33:10 GMT
Is it that surprising that no one wants to be the first to speak out on their rapist when people (cough cough. .. YOU) aren't interested in believing women when they say they were raped -until other women come forward? I does seem like one woman is rarely believed. Until it's a dozen women. I'm believe these women, and I'd like to think I would have believed the story even if it was just one woman. But sadly I think people have become cynical when one single woman accuses a Hollywood celebrity of sexual assault. There are far too many women out there who falsely accuse men and it does so much damage to the women that actually do get assaulted by these monsters. Personally i I think, if they were to charge women/men that falsely accuse, with the same sentence as a rapist, you might see fewer false accusations. I feel feel for these women, I hope if nothing else, his public empire that he has built comes crumbling down around him.
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Post by femalebusiness on Nov 20, 2014 16:39:16 GMT
Lou Ferrigno's wife has come forward as having had Bill Cosby push himself on her too. Yep, and Cosby's wife Camille was there too. She is as creepy as he is. Also, he didn't attack women, he attacked girls. They were all young. He is a sick creep.
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Post by azredhead on Nov 20, 2014 16:46:30 GMT
I think it is true, but I think the biggest struggle with a personality such as Bill Cosby is that you remember the characters her played so strongly that it is sometimes hard to separate him from those characters. I mean I know Cliff Huxtable would never do that so therefore Bill could not have done that. I agree with this for the most part. I just don't know though. But it is really hard to separate the characters from their real lives. It's hard to believe that something like that could happen even though it does. He's not saying much and that doesn't help either.
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Post by ~Zoey~ on Nov 20, 2014 16:52:38 GMT
I think when the first allegation came about, I dismissed it as someone who was just looking for money, etc. I didn't realize how many came forward at that time which would have completely changed my opinion. I liked him in The Cosby Show, but never paid that much attention to him after the show was off the air. And I agree with what scrappower said about how it's easier to come forward when someone else came forward first. (Heck, I've seen it on L&O SVU so it must be true) I know it's true, but while I was reading her post, I remembered an episode I saw just last week.
Is it that surprising that no one wants to be the first to speak out on their rapist when people (cough cough. .. YOU) aren't interested in believing women when they say they were raped -until other women come forward? You are absolutely right and I'm ashamed to admit I thought this.
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Post by valleyview on Nov 20, 2014 16:55:00 GMT
I am not sure which is worse - our loss of a "role model" or discussions of credible witnesses. Public persons have private lives! We never know what really goes on with anyone other than ourselves. I think that is the real fear - who can be trusted?
I thought Janice Dickinson was credible when I heard an old Howard Stern interview where she referred to Bill Cosby as a bad man. That came from somewhere.
Remember that a major component of victimization is feeling powerless - and these women are finding their voice without him being able to threaten them back for the first time.
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 20, 2014 16:58:06 GMT
No he doesn't. I can't believe a woman would say this. Me neither. Wow. Huh. I can't imagine why these women would have kept quiet, right? Eta -- sorry, I am agreeing with the "I can't believe someone would say is" sentiment). I have neither liked nor disliked Bill Cosby. I watched the first few seasons of the Cosby Show when it was on and enjoyed it. Some of the accusers coming forward have nothing to gain (they are out of time for criminal prosecution and civil suits) and everything to lose (like having a nation full of people doubt them or say it was their fault), so I credit them.
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Post by chimom on Nov 20, 2014 16:58:18 GMT
It's all incredibly sad.
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Post by PEArfect on Nov 20, 2014 16:59:26 GMT
Is anyone else wondering if some of the anonymous women accusing him are the actresses from The Cosby Show? Makes me sick.
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Post by grinningcat on Nov 20, 2014 17:00:41 GMT
Huh. I can't imagine why these women would have kept quiet, right? I have neither liked nor disliked Bill Cosby. I watched the first few seasons of the Cosby Show when it was on and enjoyed it. Some of the accusers coming forward have nothing to gain (they are out of time for criminal prosecution and civil suits) and everything to lose (like having a nation full of people doubt them or say it was their fault), so I credit them. Ummm... I believe the women. I was concurring with Scrappower that a woman would be against the women.
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 20, 2014 17:01:21 GMT
Huh. I can't imagine why these women would have kept quiet, right? I have neither liked nor disliked Bill Cosby. I watched the first few seasons of the Cosby Show when it was on and enjoyed it. Some of the accusers coming forward have nothing to gain (they are out of time for criminal prosecution and civil suits) and everything to lose (like having a nation full of people doubt them or say it was their fault), so I credit them. Ummm... I believe the women. I was concurring with Scrappower that a woman would be against the women. Yes, sorry, I was editing my post to reflect that as you were posting--I was agreeing with you.
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Post by grinningcat on Nov 20, 2014 17:02:27 GMT
Ummm... I believe the women. I was concurring with Scrappower that a woman would be against the women. Yes, sorry, I was editing my post to reflect that as you were posting--I was agreeing with you. oh okay... makes sense.
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Post by 1girlygirl on Nov 20, 2014 17:03:24 GMT
I, like so many others, grew up with Bill Cosby. My parents loved him and we listened to his comedy records and watched his tv shows. A few years back, my DH's company brought him in as the evening entertainment at a conference. I was shocked and astonished at what a sexist pig he was, even DH commented on the things Cosby said that many people gave an uncomfortable laugh to. I walked out of the dinner that night. He sure wasn't the funny, lovable guy I grew up watching.
I think the allegations are true, and am sad for the women that had to endure this all these years alone and in silence. They probably thought nobody would believe them.
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 20, 2014 17:14:23 GMT
. He invited her and a friend back to his hotel to continue talking. She was VERY young and naive. Once she got there he tried to put the moves on them. When she rebuffed him he called her an immature baby and said something like, "What did you think you were coming here for?" He does have a point. I am not a fan of this line of thinking. This kind of thinking is why date rate has so much stigma attached to it-people who think that if a woman puts herself in a "certain" place and time, then she should know that sex is going to occur and shouldn't complain when it does. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt though, my guess is that you meant an older, more experience woman would know that an invitation to a hotel room was a veiled reference to having sex and that the younger women should have known this as well. But it still doesn't negate the impact of this kind of thinking, that a woman should know better than to take a person's words at face value and then accept that a rape by someone she knows as par for the course.
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Post by quiltedbrain on Nov 20, 2014 17:14:55 GMT
I does seem like one woman is rarely believed. Until it's a dozen women. I'm believe these women, and I'd like to think I would have believed the story even if it was just one woman. But sadly I think people have become cynical when one single woman accuses a Hollywood celebrity of sexual assault. There are far too many women out there who falsely accuse men and it does so much damage to the women that actually do get assaulted by these monsters.
Personally i I think, if they were to charge women/men that falsely accuse, with the same sentence as a rapist, you might see fewer false accusations. I feel feel for these women, I hope if nothing else, his public empire that he has built comes crumbling down around him. Without meaning to be snarky or single you out in particular--when have there been accusations of rape by a celebrity that have been found to be false? I honestly can't think of one...seems like they usually have done the bad behavior they were accused of. Is my memory failing me or do we have a cultural perception of "women make false rape accusations about celebrities" that isn't really true?
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Post by moveablefeast on Nov 20, 2014 17:20:20 GMT
It's my personal policy - as a woman who was sexually assaulted as a teenager - to take very seriously a woman who says she was violated. Some women lie, this is true, but I am inclined to believe a woman who says that misconduct occurred.
I think in the 80s and 90s we were still figuring out how to talk about rape and other sexual misconduct. Women still felt they could not speak out without opening themselves to scrutiny regarding their sexual behavior. It was very shameful then and i think we have made a lot of progress on that. There was a period of maybe ten years where we were really struggling to figure out how to handle this kind of issue - prior to that I think women just didn't come forward. I'm not surprised a woman still would not have come forward in the 80s. We were really asking all the wrong questions (and sometimes still are).
I dont mean we have to completely excoriate Cosby without further information, or that I don't think there is likely to be nuance to the story that I don't know - just that I think all allegations should be taken seriously. I always assume credibility until the facts show otherwise.
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Post by likescarrots on Nov 20, 2014 17:58:53 GMT
I'm believe these women, and I'd like to think I would have believed the story even if it was just one woman. But sadly I think people have become cynical when one single woman accuses a Hollywood celebrity of sexual assault. There are far too many women out there who falsely accuse men and it does so much damage to the women that actually do get assaulted by these monsters.
Personally i I think, if they were to charge women/men that falsely accuse, with the same sentence as a rapist, you might see fewer false accusations. I feel feel for these women, I hope if nothing else, his public empire that he has built comes crumbling down around him. Without meaning to be snarky or single you out in particular--when have there been accusations of rape by a celebrity that have been found to be false? I honestly can't think of one...seems like they usually have done the bad behavior they were accused of. Is my memory failing me or do we have a cultural perception of "women make false rape accusations about celebrities" that isn't really true? This is actually a very common (and disgusting) excuse people use for not believing rape victims, regardless of If the rapist is a celebrity. It has been debunked many times and it is extremely rare for a rape allegation to be proven false.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 18:03:59 GMT
I'm believe these women, and I'd like to think I would have believed the story even if it was just one woman. But sadly I think people have become cynical when one single woman accuses a Hollywood celebrity of sexual assault. There are far too many women out there who falsely accuse men and it does so much damage to the women that actually do get assaulted by these monsters.
Personally i I think, if they were to charge women/men that falsely accuse, with the same sentence as a rapist, you might see fewer false accusations. I feel feel for these women, I hope if nothing else, his public empire that he has built comes crumbling down around him. Without meaning to be snarky or single you out in particular--when have there been accusations of rape by a celebrity that have been found to be false? I honestly can't think of one...seems like they usually have done the bad behavior they were accused of. Is my memory failing me or do we have a cultural perception of "women make false rape accusations about celebrities" that isn't really true? No snark taken. i don't have have have any particular celebrity in mind and maybe it's just my perception that this happens often. But maybe I should have left the celebrity part out. I never keep a spreadsheet of the stories, but I've read enough stories of women who accuse men, just for a quick payoff. Or it doesn't go anywhere in court because there are too many holes in the accusers story. Or they later admit it was consensual. Just in our little town we get accusations where the woman will later confess to falsely accusing someone. Twice last year. We recently had a respected member of the community go through hell because one young woman couldn't stand him as a person and wanted to destroy him. They were backyard neighbours, small backyards, and so you could easily see into your neighbours house. One day this young woman opens her curtains and decides to strip naked in front of the big window,while this man is working in his backyard. He sees the woman and he admitted to not looking away right away. She called the police, he was kicked off of all his community positions, labelled a sex offender, and ruined his reputation.
It happens, and those incidents make me cynical.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 18:07:47 GMT
Without meaning to be snarky or single you out in particular--when have there been accusations of rape by a celebrity that have been found to be false? I honestly can't think of one...seems like they usually have done the bad behavior they were accused of. Is my memory failing me or do we have a cultural perception of "women make false rape accusations about celebrities" that isn't really true? This is actually a very common (and disgusting) excuse people use for not believing rape victims, regardless of If the rapist is a celebrity. It has been debunked many times and it is extremely rare for a rape allegation to be proven false. To me rape is one of the most vile,heinous things a person can do, and I would never try to diminish the hell the victim goes through. So I apologize if my comment was taken the wrong way. Perhaps I need to work on my perception.
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Post by janeliz on Nov 20, 2014 18:09:30 GMT
I believe the women, including Janice Dickinson.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 18:26:07 GMT
. He invited her and a friend back to his hotel to continue talking. She was VERY young and naive. Once she got there he tried to put the moves on them. When she rebuffed him he called her an immature baby and said something like, "What did you think you were coming here for?" He does have a point. The more I think about this the more I am pissed off. How dare you say he had a point. Going back to ones room does not make unwanted advances on young girls and women okay. This reasoning is why women don't speak out. Sdeven you are perpetuating the issue and stigma surrounding rape and sexual abuse.
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Post by craftsbycarolyn on Nov 20, 2014 18:35:41 GMT
. He invited her and a friend back to his hotel to continue talking. She was VERY young and naive. Once she got there he tried to put the moves on them. When she rebuffed him he called her an immature baby and said something like, "What did you think you were coming here for?" He does have a point. Really? I don't know what to say..??..!!Maybe she thought he was a nice man and just wanted to connect with his fans...
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Post by papersilly on Nov 20, 2014 19:09:35 GMT
the whole thing reminds me of when the flood gates of women came out during that Tiger Woods situation. 1,2,3.....12. how can they all be wrong is both cases? there was a pattern.
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Post by Sandie on Nov 20, 2014 19:19:59 GMT
I have been backstage at 2 charity events where Bill Cosby was present (I was working the events). I never found him to be a particularly pleasant person. I never saw anything sexual but he came off as quite imperialistic, and seemed to see himself as a big deal.
This morning, there was a video of him during an interview with the AP, in which he was asked about the allegations. He refused to answer the questions but forgot that his mike was "hot" after the interview and proceeded to ask that the section be cut so that it did not show him being asked the questions. The interviewer refused. He becomes incensed and more strident the longer he realizes that they are not going to do what he wants, to the point where he becomes demanding and tries to be intimidating about it, demanding that the producer call the the interviewer's boss "immediately".
That was the type of person that I saw the two times I was around him...unpleasant, entitled, petulant, and demanding. Can you imagine, as a young woman, saying "no" to a person like that when being refused? He was at the top of his career then, an untouchable, and his legal team (from what is being said over and over) made sure he stayed untouchable, through threats and intimidation...something he appears to also believe will work. I can definitely see the intimidation a young woman would have to face to even bring it up.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Nov 20, 2014 19:21:07 GMT
I thought Janice Dickinson was credible when I heard an old Howard Stern interview where she referred to Bill Cosby as a bad man. That came from somewhere. This! ^^ she was promoting her book I believe at the time and she wanted to write about what happened with Bill Cosby and the publisher wouldn't allow it due to being scared about lawsuits. So Howard brought that up (not knowing what exactly JD was going to write in regards to BC) and she just went on how he was a bad man and preys on young girls. I truly believe she was assaulted and that may be part of why she is a hot mess. I also believe the there are others. I grew up watching The Cosby Show. It's still one of my favorite shows and I'm shocked he would do this..he always seemed like even in his personal life he was always about helping others.
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Post by oliquig on Nov 20, 2014 19:24:08 GMT
What was he convicted of, that he was labeled a sex offender, because that is the only way to get on a list. Could you please link the news articles listing this, plus the two false rape accusations in one year. Otherwise, I'm going to call bull.
It is hard to stand up to someone who is powerful, popular, and has already victimized you.
Imagine having to tell a complete stranger about you having sex, in great detail. Now imagine doing it when it was against your will. Then you have to repeat it, over and over, to new strangers. And finally, if you've made through all of this, you then get to tell it in front of a courtroom full of strangers.
Not an easy thing to do, and sometimes women drop it, not because it didn't happen, but because they can't go on with it any more.
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Post by Sandie on Nov 20, 2014 19:27:43 GMT
Is anyone else waiting for one of the young women that appeared on the show to say something? Or find it strange that, other than Raven-Symone who was just a baby then, have not said a word in support of him? DH and I were wondering that this morning.
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Post by Dictionary on Nov 20, 2014 19:40:32 GMT
I read an article way before all these allegations came out that basically was an overview of his life and at that time my eyes were opened when I learned he was a huge player, cheated on his wife, lived way out of his means and hung out at the playboy mansion. It went on to say how he his wife nearly divorced him, but then she got pregnant and he bought a house back east and she basically raised the family there. He was good for awhile but then decided he needed to be back in Hollywood so he would spend his time going back between the two homes, but it was very apparent that he had a mistress. Then the one comedian came out not after that accusing him of being a closet rapist..and from there just more and more accusations.
When you start getting this many women with the similar stories you just know at this point there has to be some truth to it. The first lady (not the law suit person) but the first real women with nothing to gain and said she waited this long because her parents were enamored with him and now they were in their 90s so she knew they wouldn't understand any of the fall out was the first I heard of him raping..and with her I was skeptical but then when you have the lawsuit case with 10 or 12 other women and now some of those women are coming out..it really doesn't look like he was such a wonderful person at all. Frankly I hope his conscious gets to him and it all comes out.
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Post by LAM88 on Nov 20, 2014 19:41:28 GMT
I'm fascinated when we talk about the downfall of a celebrity or athlete that someone brings up the fact that the person has always "creeped them out." I always want to know why, especially when I'm completely gobsmacked by the revelations.
I definitely wouldn't say he ALWAYS creeped me out. There was a time in the 80s when I loved him like everybody else did. I grew up on Fat Albert and the Cosby Show. But in recent years I found him to be just bizarre. I would see him appear every once in a while on a talk show and I couldn't make any sense out of what he was saying. And I would get the feeling the interviewers were politely laughing at this "jokes" but also had no idea what the hell he was talking about. It was always very uncomfortable to watch.
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Post by gottapeanow on Nov 20, 2014 19:41:18 GMT
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