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Post by scrapmaven on Nov 21, 2014 0:41:14 GMT
I do believe the women. Once again, a celebrity believes that he or she is above the law. Guess he thought that his ed.d (edited, because PHD was inaccurate info.)in education was also good cover. Just because he's intelligent doesn't mean that he's not a sociopath. Shame on his wife for standing by his side. Just as any assumed, respected man I'm guessing his co-workers didn't know what he was doing, because he had "people" to both buy the knock-out drugs, pay off those victims that he did pay off and cover his tracks. IMHO, all rapists need to be drop kicked out of society for good. He belongs in prison, but that won't happen. I wish it weren't true for the sake of all of those women, but being a beloved television icon doesn't make it a lie. He's a pig.
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Post by nantini on Nov 21, 2014 0:48:13 GMT
After just watching a clip of his interview when he told the guy you do the right thing and don't air this part, well they did and I think he's a big hypocrite. I have zero doubt where there's smoke there's fire.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Nov 21, 2014 0:51:28 GMT
It's one thing if you go to the guy's hotel room and he makes advances however you decline them and he lets you leave. It's another thing if you go to a guy's hotel room and he drugs you to have his way with you. Just because you go to the guy's hotel room, that doesn't give him permission to do with you whatever he wants. Ever.
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Post by scorpeao on Nov 21, 2014 0:59:55 GMT
I watched ET last night and they had Janice Dickinson on. At first I thought she was just jumping on the band wagon, but they had clip of her on the Howard Stern show in 2006 (date may be off, but it wasn't recent) and she was talking about her book. She said the editors made her remove the stuff about Bill Cosby. When Howard pressed her she said something to the effect of "he's not a nice person." Also, all this makes me wonder if Cosby is the comedian that Kathy Griffin references as coming on to her, and not taking no for an answer, early in her career. She wouldn't name the person in an interview years ago, but said he's popular. I always thought it might be Robin Williams, but I wonder if it was Cosby.
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Post by whamiton on Nov 21, 2014 1:25:37 GMT
I absolutely believe these women.
My Dh was asking why some of the women still continued to have a relationship with him after it happened and I told him what happened to me when I was in my early 20's. I had gone on a date with a friend of a friend. I drank way to much and he came back to my apartment. He ended up raping me and I never told anyone. After that night there were times we were at the same parties and get togethers and I was always friendly (though very aware to never be alone) with him. I was embarrassed and mad at myself and absolutely blamed myself for being stupid. Last night was the first time I ever said out loud that I had been raped. I was super naive and trusting back then so I can absolutely understand what those women went through.
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Post by annabella on Nov 21, 2014 1:36:36 GMT
I know nothing about Janice Dickinson, how come so many of you give her no credit?
I don't like how he is responding to this, his non-response, especially in that radio interview makes it look like he's above answering questions and thus above the law and thus guilty.
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Post by DEX on Nov 21, 2014 1:38:20 GMT
I absolutely believe these women. My Dh was asking why some of the women still continued to have a relationship with him after it happened and I told him what happened to me when I was in my early 20's. I had gone on a date with a friend of a friend. I drank way to much and he came back to my apartment. He ended up raping me and I never told anyone. After that night there were times we were at the same parties and get togethers and I was always friendly (though very aware to never be alone) with him. I was embarrassed and mad at myself and absolutely blamed myself for being stupid. Last night was the first time I ever said out loud that I had been raped. I was super naive and trusting back then so I can absolutely understand what those women went through. See, I can relate. I got myself into situations when I was younger that, for the grace of God, I wasn't raped. I always believed that nothing bad would happen to me. Does that sound familiar? Whamiton, I am so sorry that happened to you ICK.
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Post by melanell on Nov 21, 2014 2:08:12 GMT
I believe the women. All of them. It's an awful, terrible situation and I am sorry that these women have had to wait so long to be heard.
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Post by Tamhugh on Nov 21, 2014 2:22:57 GMT
I have always been a big fan of Bill Cosby. My kids attended Temple University and he does a lot for the school. I was always impressed with his commitment to education. At this point, I am so disappointed because I believe that there are too many stories for it to not be true.
I think that part of the problems with the early cases were that the women woke up in their underwear or naked. They felt like they had been drugged but weren't sure if anything else had happened. If they didn't get tested immediately, was there anyway to prove they were drugged? And how can you investigate a rape if the victim isn't even sure it happened? With that type of situation, there probably wasn't anything to charge him with and he was able to continue the behavior.
My initial reaction to Janice Dickinson was to think she was jumping on the bandwagon. For some reason, I thought she has accused others of similar behavior, but I may be confusing her with someone else.
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Post by AussieMeg on Nov 21, 2014 2:33:36 GMT
Honestly? I'm not surprised. I have to say that I am 100% shocked and surprised. And disappointed.
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Post by chico on Nov 21, 2014 3:04:20 GMT
It doesn't look good for Bill Cosby. That's too many women with similar stories.
And I think those in this thread who are saying that a celebrity's persona can be surprisingly different in public verses private, are bang. on.
Another 'celebrity', with similar allegations from various women that comes to mind (minus rape) is Bill Clinton.
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Post by peasapie on Nov 21, 2014 3:11:39 GMT
I keep thinking, "innocent until proven guilty." But the more people who come forward, especially fairly well known people, the harder it is to convince myself...
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Post by CarolT on Nov 21, 2014 3:36:22 GMT
The whole situation is sad.
I'm sad for the victims and I'm sad for those of us who were taken in by his public persona.
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Post by Nanner on Nov 21, 2014 4:11:53 GMT
I find it sad, because I believed he was the person he pretended to be.
And I believe the women.
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Post by grammanisi on Nov 21, 2014 4:23:50 GMT
I have never been a fan of Bill Cosby. I remember him doing some "dirty" stand up comedy years ago, I think that is what turned me.
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Post by pelirroja on Nov 21, 2014 10:35:17 GMT
I've met him in person and he is not a nice guy. He was jogging on a track at my college with his college buddy, our phys ed prof (a silver medalist from the 1968 Olympics). I asked for his autograph and he told me to f* off, several times. The prof knew me from attending the daily aerobics class and told Cos it wasn't OK to act like that: sign it and stop it. I got the autograph but swore I'd never give the beloved Cosby a dime of my money. This was in 1982 and his career was so far down Cosby was doing commercials for Atlantic City tourism, just before he became Dr. Huxtable.
When people have heard me say Cosby is a jackhole, nobody believes it because he's the jolly happy guy with all the kids on the Jello pudding pop commercials. And people see him as Cliff Huxtable and he played such a wonderful lovable guy. The real life guy is mean and obscene, at least judging from my experience with him. I don't think I saw him on an "off" day. The Doctor Cosby title just means he's an educated jerk, but still a jerk nonetheless.
I believe these women. Just listen to Cosby's "Crazy Mary" routine from the early days: he jokes about drugging women and denying it: I thought it was a very unfunny comedy routine but maybe it's his modus operandi. Guess I'm damn lucky he didn't offer me a swig of a water bottle on that jogging track.
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Post by wellway on Nov 21, 2014 11:05:40 GMT
I absolutely believe these women. My Dh was asking why some of the women still continued to have a relationship with him after it happened and I told him what happened to me when I was in my early 20's. I had gone on a date with a friend of a friend. I drank way to much and he came back to my apartment. He ended up raping me and I never told anyone. After that night there were times we were at the same parties and get togethers and I was always friendly (though very aware to never be alone) with him. I was embarrassed and mad at myself and absolutely blamed myself for being stupid. Last night was the first time I ever said out loud that I had been raped. I was super naive and trusting back then so I can absolutely understand what those women went through. I'm so sorry that happen to you and sorry you had to hold that burden in your heart for a long time.
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Post by elaine on Nov 21, 2014 11:15:57 GMT
Just for clarification's sake, because it has been mentioned a few times on this thread, Bill Cosby has an EdD, not a PhD. I want as few things in common with him as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 11:44:38 GMT
It doesn't look good for Bill Cosby. That's too many women with similar stories. And I think those in this thread who are saying that a celebrity's persona can be surprisingly different in public verses private, are bang. on. Another 'celebrity', with similar allegations from various women that comes to mind (minus rape) is Bill Clinton. This has been on my mind too...the people who are demanding that we give full credence to Bill Cosbys accusers are some of the same people who to this very day, dismiss and deride and blame all the women who accused Slick Willy of sexual misconduct. The same people who would no doubt vote for Clinton again this very moment, are ready to publicly castrate Cosby, ruin his career and his legacy. So it begs the question...is it Clinton's politics or his skin color that gives him a free pass to destroy women?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 11:49:54 GMT
Not to forget...Rich, white Ted Kennedy actually killed a women, and was still adored by liberal women everywhere til the day he died. So I ask again...was it politics or skin color, or maybe both? White democrats can rape and harass without I guess.
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Post by pelirroja on Nov 21, 2014 12:04:09 GMT
And FWIW, a woman named Juanita Broaddrick did claim Bill Clinton had raped her.
Bad behavior is bad behavior: race, religion, and politics don't really have a thing to do with it, imho.
I do wonder how Camille Cosby can turn a blind eye to all of these allegations. I cannot imagine Bill Cosby will ever be held accountable but it is good to know that these women are now being listened to, rather than being mocked or called fame ho or whatever other derogatory things are thrown their way. That's why women don't come forward: they won't risk the public humiliation and scorn only to have no justice served.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 12:21:02 GMT
And FWIW, a woman named Juanita Broaddrick did claim Bill Clinton had raped her. Yes she did. And was very credible, if I remember correctly. And what happened to her? Absolutely destroyed by feminists, liberals and the media. And remember the allegations against Herman Cain that led him to drop out of the primaries? Absolutely NO proof, the women never came forward publicly, no witnesses, nothing. But the liberal media and feminists ruined his chances, didn't they?
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Post by eastcoastpea on Nov 21, 2014 14:05:31 GMT
I absolutely believe these women. My Dh was asking why some of the women still continued to have a relationship with him after it happened and I told him what happened to me when I was in my early 20's. I had gone on a date with a friend of a friend. I drank way to much and he came back to my apartment. He ended up raping me and I never told anyone. After that night there were times we were at the same parties and get togethers and I was always friendly (though very aware to never be alone) with him. I was embarrassed and mad at myself and absolutely blamed myself for being stupid. Last night was the first time I ever said out loud that I had been raped. I was super naive and trusting back then so I can absolutely understand what those women went through. Hugs to you, whamiton. I'm sorry for what you went through.
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Post by chico on Nov 21, 2014 14:09:17 GMT
Bill Cosby is being ostracised across the country because of these allegations from several women. Not surprising. But is there more to this? Does Bill Cosby's past statements regarding race play a part here too?
If we compare Cosby and Clinton, the allegations are quite similar. Yet, there's talk of Clinton running again in 2 years. I guess he'll be bombarded with questions over allegations and rape and assault at that time too.
Its so disheartening to hear of this crap going on with so-called 'honourable men'.
Theres a 3 generation, family run, well known and respected funeral home close to where I'm from. The oldest owner, in his eighties, has been charged with rape and assault on young boys from way back when they worked for him. Apparently we don't have a statute of limitations on that stuff here. Which, IMHO is a good thing!
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Post by elaine on Nov 21, 2014 14:20:49 GMT
Bill Cosby is being ostracised across the country because of these allegations from several women. Not surprising. But is there more to this? Does Bill Cosby's past statements regarding race play a part here too? If we compare Cosby and Clinton, the allegations are quite similar. Yet, there's talk of Clinton running again in 2 years. I guess he'll be bombarded with questions over allegations and rape and assault at that time too. Its so disheartening to hear of this crap going on with so-called 'honourable men'. Theres a 3 generation, family run, well known and respected funeral home close to where I'm from. The oldest owner, in his eighties, has been charged with rape and assault on young boys from way back when they worked for him. Apparently we don't have a statute of limitations on that stuff here. Which, IMHO is a good thing! I don't know what country you live in, but BILL Clinton cannot run again in 2 years. You can't be President in the USA for more than 8 years (2 terms), which he has already served. The Clinton who may run in the next election is HILLARY Clinton, who is a woman. As far as I know, she has never been accused of drugging and raping women...
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Post by smartypants71 on Nov 21, 2014 14:29:16 GMT
I thought Lisa Bonet was kicked off the Cosby Show/Different World because she got pregnant.
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Post by chico on Nov 21, 2014 14:33:54 GMT
You got me. I live in Canada, and I worded that really wrong. And I actually did know that your presidents can only do eight years. I knew that only because of this board , well, and the former board. What I was trying to say, is that Mr.Clinton could end up in the White House again if Hilary was to run and make it in. Sorry for the flub...And I have to say sorry cause I'm Canadian.
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Post by oh yvonne on Nov 21, 2014 14:43:25 GMT
Lynlam, wow, you have some excellent points about Bill Clinton....wow. You are right. I hadn't even thought of that.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Nov 21, 2014 15:29:43 GMT
It doesn't look good for Bill Cosby. That's too many women with similar stories. And I think those in this thread who are saying that a celebrity's persona can be surprisingly different in public verses private, are bang. on. Another 'celebrity', with similar allegations from various women that comes to mind (minus rape) is Bill Clinton. This has been on my mind too...the people who are demanding that we give full credence to Bill Cosbys accusers are some of the same people who to this very day, dismiss and deride and blame all the women who accused Slick Willy of sexual misconduct. The same people who would no doubt vote for Clinton again this very moment, are ready to publicly castrate Cosby, ruin his career and his legacy. So it begs the question...is it Clinton's politics or his skin color that gives him a free pass to destroy women? There was a civil suit in 2006 that didn't get much media attention. If Cosby's skin colour was an issue, he would've been "publicly crastrated" a long time ago. Cosby has money and lots of lawyers that has kept much of this out of the lime light over the decades. This has nothing to do with Bill Clinton.
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Post by katieanna on Nov 21, 2014 16:02:15 GMT
I can't imagine the allegations are false with so many women coming forward with very similar stories. I have other thoughts but I'm hard-pressed this morning to put them into words. I haven't had all my coffee yet. At first I was shocked and thought, too, that the one lady who was filing suit after all these years did so for publicity purposes. But as I read through the thread it occurred to me that something like this had come up some years ago about Bill Cosby. Personally, I've always liked him and respected him. If all these allegations prove to be true, I'd be very disappointed,
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