msupea
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Post by msupea on Aug 10, 2021 13:40:57 GMT
I finally broke into some of my metal dies to try them out. GAH. What do you use to separate the dies from one another? What a pain in the rear! (Elle's studio, I'm looking at YOU)
Do I need to hunt down metal snips from my husband and a file? I tried (and likely damaged) my Tim Holtz scissors.
What have you used to cut those things apart?
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Post by babylou on Aug 10, 2021 13:56:52 GMT
Yep, you're going to want to use metal snips, wire cutter type tools. I use ones that I have from jewelry making. They work good enough but probably could be a little stronger. Anymore, I try to buy dies that are already separate. It's just not worth to me to have to cut them all apart.
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Post by Linda on Aug 10, 2021 14:03:27 GMT
I ask DH to do it with his metal snips - but I'm about ready to buy my own because he's not sure where he put his and looking for them doesn't seem to be happening
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Post by Kerri W on Aug 10, 2021 14:14:31 GMT
I bought a teeny tiny little pair of snips from the jewelry making department. They work much better than my husband's normal sized ones because they can get into those small spots.
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Post by kitbop on Aug 10, 2021 14:14:43 GMT
Yes, I've damaged scissors on some. The companies vary GREATLY in the ability to separate the dies. Some make those flat joining "triangular" pieces that just pop apart; some are simply impossible. I have killed my jewelry wire snips and need to invest in some stronger (and skinnier if they make them?!?) ones.
A lot of times, I just use needle nose pliers, and wiggle the connecting piece until it finally gives.
And I've given up shaving off the pokey pieces too.
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Post by pinklady on Aug 10, 2021 14:30:13 GMT
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Post by lesley on Aug 10, 2021 14:48:10 GMT
I just use pliers, and manipulate the die pieces until they separate. And I always make sure that any pointy bits left face upwards so they don’t mark the cardstock.
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Post by CardBoxer on Aug 10, 2021 14:58:39 GMT
I bought a teeny tiny little pair of snips from the jewelry making department. They work much better than my husband's normal sized ones because they can get into those small spots. That. ^ And I’d go for a flush jewelry snip, which lets you nestle the snip right up to the die, so there isn’t a sharp bit poking out, just a tiny nub. IOW not standard wire cutters - too big. To keep keep wire bits from flying and hitting you or landing on the floor, some snip off the bits with their hands in a large ziplock. I just use a small trash can insert that I put on my lap, plus I wear glasses. (The trash can is one of those little ones with a foot pedal that works the lid and has a bucket insert. Only paper debris from die cutting goes in it so it’s not dirty.) I already had a good flush jewelry snip from years ago, and saw someone struggle with a pair that wasn’t quite strong enough. She tried mine and was surprised at how easy it was, so I think it’s worth getting a decent pair. Some people have been happy with inexpensive ones, so they probably don’t have to cost a lot. I only have dies from one company - maybe two? - that doesn’t have wires holding the dies together - it’s pretty much the standard.
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Post by joblackford on Aug 10, 2021 15:04:21 GMT
We were just talking about this recently on another thread and Kat Scrappiness linked to her ones www.katscrappiness.com/products/metal-die-side-snips-by-kat-scrappinessThey're a decent price, sized well for dies, and save the trouble of trying to figure out which ones on amazon might work. That said, my husband already had some in his tool box which are not quite as thin but work for what I need. ETA I don't usually file down the nubs, just try to get them as close as possible to the die without damaging the die in the process, but I have cut myself on the sharp bits more than once.
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Post by scrapnnana on Aug 10, 2021 15:12:37 GMT
Yes, it’s a shock when you get those type dies for the first time. For me it was Altenew dies. I used my jewelry snips, but realized that those were taking a beating on some of the dies, so I bought snips from My Favorite Things. They were reasonably priced, and work well.
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Post by msupea on Aug 10, 2021 15:44:05 GMT
Looks like I'll be checking out Harbor Freight and KatScrappiness. I also need to buy some new Tim Holtz scissors. ETA - apparently I at least have a use for my safety glasses with readers that I used in when working our Covid vaccine or testing clinics (eye protection was mandatory)!
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Post by CardBoxer on Aug 10, 2021 16:51:28 GMT
We were just talking about this recently on another thread and Kat Scrappiness linked to her ones www.katscrappiness.com/products/metal-die-side-snips-by-kat-scrappinessThey're a decent price, sized well for dies, and save the trouble of trying to figure out which ones on amazon might work. That said, my husband already had some in his tool box which are not quite as thin but work for what I need. ETA I don't usually file down the nubs, just try to get them as close as possible to the die without damaging the die in the process, but I have cut myself on the sharp bits more than once. Blood on die cuts is not a preferred technique... With my snips there’s nothing sharp left - and sometimes I re-snip to get them down to barely a bump - so the sharp bits you have left may be due to the size you’re using. And of course you know that, just reiterating for the OP. I never file either - just no need, though I have jewelry files, I’d rather make backgrounds.
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Post by cbscrapper on Aug 10, 2021 18:08:55 GMT
I finally broke into some of my metal dies to try them out. GAH. What do you use to separate the dies from one another? What a pain in the rear! (Elle's studio, I'm looking at YOU)Do I need to hunt down metal snips from my husband and a file? I tried (and likely damaged) my Tim Holtz scissors. What have you used to cut those things apart? Ugh! I haven’t even attempted to cut apart the nested tag die set!
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Post by papersilly on Aug 10, 2021 19:06:59 GMT
i use needle nose pliers. i clamp it as close to the die as possible and move it back and forth until it breaks off so that there really isn't a small sharp piece left. it's a pain to have to do that at each contact point but it allows me to get as much of that thin connector as possible.
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Post by PaperAngel on Aug 10, 2021 19:09:06 GMT
Uncertain when it became the norm, but I find this industry practice unacceptable. My solution is not to purchase connected/unsnipped dies at full price, since I view them as incomplete/not ready for use. The set must be deeply discounted for me to even consider buying them.
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Post by pinklady on Aug 10, 2021 20:14:43 GMT
Uncertain when it became the norm, but I find this industry practice unacceptable. My solution is not to purchase connected/unsnipped dies at full price, since I view them as incomplete/not ready for use. The set must be deeply discounted for me to even consider buying them. This is such an interesting perspective and you are definitely not alone. I actually like them to be hooked together so that I can separate the ones I want separated and keep some together. For instance, if there are a bunch of tiny dies hooked together, I keep them that way so that I don't lose a tiny die. It's much harder for me to lose a big die than a tiny one. Also, I typically die cut and then stamp and image so I don't always need them separate.
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Post by PaperAngel on Aug 10, 2021 22:03:29 GMT
Uncertain when it became the norm, but I find this industry practice unacceptable. My solution is not to purchase connected/unsnipped dies at full price, since I view them as incomplete/not ready for use. The set must be deeply discounted for me to even consider buying them. This is such an interesting perspective and you are definitely not alone. I actually like them to be hooked together so that I can separate the ones I want separated and keep some together. For instance, if there are a bunch of tiny dies hooked together, I keep them that way so that I don't lose a tiny die. It's much harder for me to lose a big die than a tiny one. Also, I typically die cut and then stamp and image so I don't always need them separate. As a simple/clean/linear scrapbooker who is theme-challenged, never makes cards, & has an adequate die inventory mostly of versatile QK alphas, basic shapes, & borders (purchased at a deep discount after the company morphed into Lifestyle Crafts, then WRMK, & got swept under the American Crafts umbrella never to be heard from again), I'm not tempted by most dies offered & can be selective. IIRC the only dies with connectors in my inventory are Hero Arts/Kelly Purkey Stamp & Cut sets bought on clearance for less than $3/ea at Tuesday Morning last year (which have not been snipped or used; I bought them for the stamps = various size labels & a small alpha).
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Post by joblackford on Aug 10, 2021 22:12:49 GMT
We were just talking about this recently on another thread and Kat Scrappiness linked to her ones www.katscrappiness.com/products/metal-die-side-snips-by-kat-scrappinessThey're a decent price, sized well for dies, and save the trouble of trying to figure out which ones on amazon might work. That said, my husband already had some in his tool box which are not quite as thin but work for what I need. ETA I don't usually file down the nubs, just try to get them as close as possible to the die without damaging the die in the process, but I have cut myself on the sharp bits more than once. Blood on die cuts is not a preferred technique... With my snips there’s nothing sharp left - and sometimes I re-snip to get them down to barely a bump - so the sharp bits you have left may be due to the size you’re using. And of course you know that, just reiterating for the OP. I never file either - just no need, though I have jewelry files, I’d rather make backgrounds. Yeah, I think most of my injuries have come from me bending the dies until they break apart rather than snipping carefully.
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Post by cmpeter on Aug 10, 2021 22:49:02 GMT
I use metal snips (similar to the Katscrappiness ones linked above) from an older jewelry making phase. I use those and I don't file the little nibs.
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Post by CardBoxer on Aug 10, 2021 23:39:08 GMT
Blood on die cuts is not a preferred technique... With my snips there’s nothing sharp left - and sometimes I re-snip to get them down to barely a bump - so the sharp bits you have left may be due to the size you’re using. And of course you know that, just reiterating for the OP. I never file either - just no need, though I have jewelry files, I’d rather make backgrounds. Yeah, I think most of my injuries have come from me bending the dies until they break apart rather than snipping carefully. Ah, okay. You can stop doing that, please? Fingers matter.
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Post by CardBoxer on Aug 10, 2021 23:55:48 GMT
Uncertain when it became the norm, but I find this industry practice unacceptable. My solution is not to purchase connected/unsnipped dies at full price, since I view them as incomplete/not ready for use. The set must be deeply discounted for me to even consider buying them. That seems workable if not using many dies or if not primarily making cards. I buy lots of different companies and that would eliminate about 90% of dies if I did that! Maybe because the first die set I ever purchased was connected, and the LSS owner taught me both how to die cut and disconnect the dies, it never occurred to me they’d come any other way, and no one ever mentioned it in classes or events. So when a set arrived unconnected I was surprised! I actually enjoy doing it - kind of mindless and part of looking forward to using the dies and it just takes a couple minutes. So for me it’s prep like for other parts of crafting - like cutting cardstock to size. But I can see how some may not like it. Heck, I don’t like traditional coloring of images, and so many love it.
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Post by Linda on Aug 29, 2021 2:16:28 GMT
I ask DH to do it with his metal snips - but I'm about ready to buy my own because he's not sure where he put his and looking for them doesn't seem to be happening DH managed to snip apart most of mine but then broke his wire snips on the last one. He's bought some more - a bit sturdier, we hope.
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 29, 2021 21:20:31 GMT
I bought these wire snips from SSS and they work really well. DH also gave me a metal file to use on any sharp bits that are left behind, although these have an offset snip and get pretty close to the die edge. CardBoxer, that’s a good tip to use a ziplock bag to snip off any nubs. I’ve been putting the dies/snips in the trash can and snipping the bits off that way, but sometimes the little bits can really go flying. It would be so easy for a bit to hit me in the eye!
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Post by riversong1963 on Aug 30, 2021 13:28:33 GMT
I use my jewelry making flush cutters and metal files. I do try to buy the dies that are already separated whenever possible. I also don't cut them all apart at the same time. I cut them as I need them. I find it easier and less time consuming that way.
You should also wear protective goggles or glasses when snipping those little bits of metal. And hold your hand over the part that's being snipped. Those little pieces can be like shrapnel and hurt others around you too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2021 2:11:52 GMT
I refuse to buy dies that aren't pre-separated. I find the cheap (fine) ones on Amazon tend to be pre-separated. The expensive ones tend not to be. So weird.
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Post by angel97701 on Aug 31, 2021 2:21:41 GMT
I use tin snips, and borrow my husband's dremmel tool with a stone to file down the little nubs! I wore out one of the dremmel wheels that was just a sandpaper! I'm another that really dislikes crafting injuries that leave blood on paper!
It is really obvious that some companies use a stiffer material in their dies (Technique Tuesday) than others.
I usually do a batch at a time, as I inventory and put them into their permanent home.
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Post by papersilly on Aug 31, 2021 17:51:36 GMT
to me, the nested shapes are the worst to take apart.
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