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Post by AussieMeg on Sept 15, 2021 10:21:05 GMT
Thank fkn god the NO votes won. But I'm not seeing it as a 'resounding' or 'overwhelming' result. One out of three people voted yes. Who are the 33% who voted yes? That seems like a lot to me, for a blue state.
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Post by pyccku on Sept 15, 2021 12:53:22 GMT
They are the ones who voted for Trump in 2020. There are more Trump voters in CA than in TX. But they are smaller percentage-wise, so CA is a blue state.
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Post by scrappinghappy on Sept 15, 2021 13:00:42 GMT
Thank fkn god the NO votes won. But I'm not seeing it as a 'resounding' or 'overwhelming' result. One out of three people voted yes. Who are the 33% who voted yes? That seems like a lot to me, for a blue state. Thats the ratio of registered Democrats vs republicans in CA. 2:1
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Post by pinklady on Sept 15, 2021 13:14:10 GMT
I’m so happy the trumpers lost. I’m so pissed at the colossal waste of almost $300 million!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 13:23:01 GMT
Who are the 33% who voted yes? They are the 33% of America who are holding us back and will until they die. They're the 1/3 who'd like to run the country by minority and tell the other 2/3 what they can do. And, stupidly, our whole American system was set up to preference them from the start (see: Electoral College, gerrymandering). They are largely old, white, Christian, scared, angry, and confused by change.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 13:40:54 GMT
Who are the 33% who voted yes? They are the 33% of America who are holding us back and will until they die. They're the 1/3 who'd like to run the country by minority and tell the other 2/3 what they can do. And, stupidly, our whole American system was set up to preference them from the start (see: Electoral College, gerrymandering). They are largely old, white, Christian, scared, angry, and confused by change.Don't forget young, white, Trump-lican, business owners, private school parents who have been sucked in to this 3 percenters bull shit and are gullible little brats who don't like being the minority and use big bad words to make themselves seem important and go to board meetings and threaten decent human beings to make themselves look cool and big.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 15, 2021 13:43:09 GMT
Who are the 33% who voted yes? They are the 33% of America who are holding us back and will until they die. They're the 1/3 who'd like to run the country by minority and tell the other 2/3 what they can do. And, stupidly, our whole American system was set up to preference them from the start (see: Electoral College, gerrymandering). They are largely old, white, Christian, scared, angry, and confused by change.One of my TN relatives shared a post on Facebook from someone that said, “I’ve received about 20 emails from people who went to vote for Elder but were told they had already voted. This must be investigated!” Yeah right. Whatever. She’s not exactly “old” but every other one of those boxes could easily be checked. It just kills me to know how gullible and easily manipulated some of my family members have become. I’m going to pin a lot of that on their religious affiliation because every year that passes makes it look and sound more and more like a cult.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 13:47:24 GMT
They are the 33% of America who are holding us back and will until they die. They're the 1/3 who'd like to run the country by minority and tell the other 2/3 what they can do. And, stupidly, our whole American system was set up to preference them from the start (see: Electoral College, gerrymandering). They are largely old, white, Christian, scared, angry, and confused by change.One of my TN relatives shared a post on Facebook from someone that said, “I’ve received about 20 emails from people who went to vote for Elder but were told they had already voted. This must be investigated!” Yeah right. Whatever. She’s not exactly “old” but every other one of those boxes could easily be checked. It just kills me to know how gullible and easily manipulated some of my family members have become. I’m going to pin a lot of that on their religious affiliation because every year that passes makes it look and sound more and more like a cult. There are voters who were told they already voted and I have several democratic friends who received 2 ballots. Oh and 1 good friend who they couldn't even find. But it isn't enough to make the win not true.
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Post by twinks on Sept 15, 2021 14:16:28 GMT
I had to laugh because yesterday morning I got a text from my anti-vax, Covid is a hoax, prepper friend in CA asking me to keep CA in my prayers and that there is “fraud” and all the “fraud” is being exposed. My first thought was the same it is always been since 2020. You are claiming fraud and the election isn’t even over. Will you still claim fraud if you win? Will you investigate the fraud if you win? Will you support the recounts if you win? And if there is found to be fraud, will you give up your position that was “stolen” by the other candidate? Now I know that the GOP wasn’t going to win this recall. But honestly, they keep going on and on about this even before they actually lose. They only care about fraud if they lose.
My friend was saying that 70% of the Republicans who went to the polls were turned away because “they had already voted.” This was less than an hour after the polls had opened in CA. First off, how does she or anyone else know that statistic so early in the morning? Secondly did they ask any Democrats if that was happening to them? Where is that statistic? But more importantly, if the majority of the GOP voters are being turned away because they had voted “prior” (as in mail in ballots, shock and horror) then that means they tried to cheat the system and got caught at their own game of fraud.
Lastly I did respond that I would pray for CA. Only I didn’t pray the way she thought I would. 😂
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 14:22:39 GMT
My friend was saying that 70% of the Republicans who went to the polls were turned away because “they had already voted.” That's the problem w/allowing mail-in AND in-person voting. Some people will try to vote twice. Imo, ALL ballots in ALL states should be MAIL-IN only.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 14:57:15 GMT
My friend was saying that 70% of the Republicans who went to the polls were turned away because “they had already voted.” That's the problem w/allowing mail-in AND in-person voting. Some people will try to vote twice. Imo, ALL ballots in ALL states should be MAIL-IN only. 100 percent. AND there needs to be a drop off box within a safe walking distance. Not just a handful throughout the city/state. My city has 2. One downtown and one closer to me. Neither are accessible for those who live east and don't drive. Nothing accessible for those who don't have safe mailboxes to use. ETA: maybe at each school site, some grocery stores, etc.
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 15, 2021 15:36:04 GMT
I’m so happy the trumpers lost. I’m so pissed at the colossal waste of almost $300 million! Yes. How many school room supplies for low income areas could have been provided with that waste of money? Sick.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 15, 2021 17:28:58 GMT
I’m so happy the trumpers lost. I’m so pissed at the colossal waste of almost $300 million! Yes. How many school room supplies for low income areas could have been provided with that waste of money? Sick. Lunches Housing Etc It’s ok to spend money if your a Republican…
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 15, 2021 18:04:53 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 15, 2021 18:06:27 GMT
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Post by papersilly on Sept 15, 2021 18:19:04 GMT
i think the fact that the GOP front runner aligned himself with trump or trumpism is what energized the more dems to vote. it was a much tighter race when there was no clear front runner. Elder turned out to be a gift to Newsom. i'll toast to him for that.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 15, 2021 18:19:26 GMT
Yep, that’s my county — Solano! Always the most conservative-voting county in the Bay. But note … we still vote blue, just by a smaller percentage.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 18:23:01 GMT
It’s ok to spend money if your a Republican… Oh, come on. Let's not honor what they pulled with this BS recall election with the word "spend" money. Spending money is fine if it is going to make more people flourish in our society. What they did was WASTE money. And I ALWAYSOKIYAR to waste money on your side winning.
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Post by pinklady on Sept 15, 2021 18:23:16 GMT
Interesting if accurate.
Recall No (Orange) and Recall YES (teal) votes
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 15, 2021 21:57:03 GMT
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Post by Scrapper100 on Sept 15, 2021 22:35:18 GMT
That's the problem w/allowing mail-in AND in-person voting. Some people will try to vote twice. Imo, ALL ballots in ALL states should be MAIL-IN only. 100 percent. AND there needs to be a drop off box within a safe walking distance. Not just a handful throughout the city/state. My city has 2. One downtown and one closer to me. Neither are accessible for those who live east and don't drive. Nothing accessible for those who don't have safe mailboxes to use. ETA: maybe at each school site, some grocery stores, etc. That would be cost prohibitive. Here all the boxes are manned which I like. No way for anyone to stuff them. They also can answer make sure you have filled everything out - address, signature and date. If handing in someone else’s ballot you have to sign etc but yes I agree they should be available in convenient locations of course you can also drop off at any polling location on Election Day or just mail it.
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Post by pinklady on Sept 15, 2021 22:45:51 GMT
100 percent. AND there needs to be a drop off box within a safe walking distance. Not just a handful throughout the city/state. My city has 2. One downtown and one closer to me. Neither are accessible for those who live east and don't drive. Nothing accessible for those who don't have safe mailboxes to use. ETA: maybe at each school site, some grocery stores, etc. That would be cost prohibitive. Here all the boxes are manned which I like. No way for anyone to stuff them. They also can answer make sure you have filled everything out - address, signature and date. If handing in someone else’s ballot you have to sign etc but yes I agree they should be available in convenient locations of course you can also drop off at any polling location on Election Day or just mail it. The drop boxes do not have to be manned and they don't appear to be costly. In California, these are our secure drop boxes that are emptied daily (I believe): lavote.net/home/voting-elections/voting-options/vote-by-mail/vbm-ballot-drop-off
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Post by Clair on Sept 15, 2021 23:42:50 GMT
Do we really think Newsom won - I believe it’s that Larry Elder lost.
I’m a California democrat - I did not sign the recall petition but I know many dems that did.
He did some good during the pandemic but he screwed a lot Californians. This is just my story but there are many like me. I have tenants who owe more than $40,000 in back rent. They worked all but three months and have refused to pay anything for over a year and a half. Until now there was nothing we could do. I still had to pay mortgage, taxes, insurance and maintenance. I have others who have not paid full rent but they have been trying so we are working with them. Their reasoning - ‘Newsom said rent doesn’t need to be paid and you can’t make me pay’.
I happen to know many mom and pop landlords and many are in this same situation. Even though there are programs to collect back rent - they fail to mention that not everyone qualifies - so we are just out.
My experience is anecdotal but had there been another strong democrat or a moderate republican on the ticket many of the people I know would have voted yes for the recall. These people are still very liberal regarding social policies but feel like they have been beat up financially by Newsom’s policies and decisions.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Sept 15, 2021 23:49:44 GMT
That would be cost prohibitive. Here all the boxes are manned which I like. No way for anyone to stuff them. They also can answer make sure you have filled everything out - address, signature and date. If handing in someone else’s ballot you have to sign etc but yes I agree they should be available in convenient locations of course you can also drop off at any polling location on Election Day or just mail it. The drop boxes do not have to be manned and they don't appear to be costly. In California, these are our secure drop boxes that are emptied daily (I believe): lavote.net/home/voting-elections/voting-options/vote-by-mail/vbm-ballot-drop-offWow all the ones in our city were manned by several people. Only open certain hours obviously. I wonder why some places have only manned ones snd other areas do this.
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Post by pinklady on Sept 15, 2021 23:53:12 GMT
Do we really think Newsom won - I believe it’s that Larry Elder lost. Yes, I think Newsom won. Almost 70% of voters said no to the recall. FULL STOP As for the rest of your post, the eviction moratorium was federal, right? How is that Newsoms fault? Or did California do something different from the federal eviction moratorium?
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Post by Clair on Sept 16, 2021 0:11:24 GMT
I disagree - again anecdotal - I don’t know anyone who was eager to vote against the recall. Most voted no because they didn’t want Elder.
Yes - some of the moratoriums were federal but Newsom did extend tend dates and impose stronger restrictions than federal requirements.
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Post by chaosisapony on Sept 16, 2021 4:06:23 GMT
i think the fact that the GOP front runner aligned himself with trump or trumpism is what energized the more dems to vote. it was a much tighter race when there was no clear front runner. Elder turned out to be a gift to Newsom. i'll toast to him for that. I agree with you. I think Newsom would not have had such an easy win if not for Elder. There are a lot of people like me, registered Democrat that severely dislike Newsom but voted no ONLY because Elder would be so much worse.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 16, 2021 4:12:31 GMT
i think the fact that the GOP front runner aligned himself with trump or trumpism is what energized the more dems to vote. it was a much tighter race when there was no clear front runner. Elder turned out to be a gift to Newsom. i'll toast to him for that. I agree with you. I think Newsom would not have had such an easy win if not for Elder. There are a lot of people like me, registered Democrat that severely dislike Newsom but voted no ONLY because Elder would be so much worse. Like many people have said, it was probably more of a No to Elder than a Yes to Newsom. I'm one of those people who felt that way.
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 16, 2021 5:15:47 GMT
That would be cost prohibitive. Here all the boxes are manned which I like. No way for anyone to stuff them. They also can answer make sure you have filled everything out - address, signature and date. If handing in someone else’s ballot you have to sign etc but yes I agree they should be available in convenient locations of course you can also drop off at any polling location on Election Day or just mail it. The drop boxes do not have to be manned and they don't appear to be costly. In California, these are our secure drop boxes that are emptied daily (I believe): lavote.net/home/voting-elections/voting-options/vote-by-mail/vbm-ballot-drop-offMy unmanned drop box was at the Civic Center, it is a drive up and drop off and it also has a camera. Everyone is recorded when you drop the ballot off.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 16, 2021 7:12:47 GMT
100 percent. AND there needs to be a drop off box within a safe walking distance. Not just a handful throughout the city/state. My city has 2. One downtown and one closer to me. Neither are accessible for those who live east and don't drive. Nothing accessible for those who don't have safe mailboxes to use. ETA: maybe at each school site, some grocery stores, etc. That would be cost prohibitive. Here all the boxes are manned which I like. No way for anyone to stuff them. They also can answer make sure you have filled everything out - address, signature and date. If handing in someone else’s ballot you have to sign etc but yes I agree they should be available in convenient locations of course you can also drop off at any polling location on Election Day or just mail it. We have a dropbox inside our City Hall and one inside a large supermarket (small town in NorCal). Unmanned and no camera that I know of, but I guess there could be. I know there are more in the rest of the cities in my county but I didn’t pay attention to where and how many. Ballot box stuffing and other shenanigans really don’t seem to be a problem, here or elsewhere. Messing with the vote is a serious crime, and the consequences far outweigh any tiny benefit for most people. I really think this fear of election fraud is just a straw man the right wing has cooked up to scare voters. (that’s not directed at you, Scrapper100)
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