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Post by twinks on Aug 15, 2021 14:43:48 GMT
This is really getting to me. I have taken this whole Covid thing by believing in the Science. I get angry at the politicalization of a public health emergency. I don’t understand how people can take a world wide pandemic and be so narrow minded to think that it is only in the United States and that everything is politically motivated. I am also the kind of person who believes that knowledge is power. Which is one of the reasons why I am having issues with this whole thing.
I met a lady and her family about 10 years ago and we became fast friends. We both have neurologically compromised children, love to run, Christian values, etc. We were in Disneyland together at the time we met and we just connected. The thing I like about her is I don’t have to worry about judgement. We both just “get it.” Both me and my daughter can be ourselves around them. Since that first time, we have met up on Disneyland for races and trips over the years. We communicate almost on a daily basis.
Here is my problem. I and my daughter are vaccinated. We totally believe it. I am so excited because I even qualify for the booster because I have no spleen. Trust me, tomorrow morning I am calling my doctor’s office to get it. However, my friend is anti vaccine. She says there are “too many alarming issues.” I began by saying that each person needs to decide what is right for themselves and for their family. Now things have gotten worse both politically and medically. It is a huge division that I am not sure we can overcome. And then there is the mask issue. She thinks it is ridiculous and does no good. She even pulled her son out of swimming lessons because of it. She yelled at the Director even. She refuses to be tested for Covid and thinks that the hospitals are filling up with “breakthrough” Covid. She flat out says that we “have been lied to.” Yes, I believe we are being lied to but not by the party she thinks is lying.
We are planning on meeting up in Disneyland. I purchased our (my daughters and mine) tickets. When we made our reservations, you had to click that you “attest” that you are vaccinated or will obtain a negative Covid test prior to entering. My friend and her family just got back from Disneyland. In other words, she lied when she “attested.” I have taken the attitude that action is totally on her. She lied about it, that is her problem, not mine.
However, we are meeting up with them. Her issues now can have an impact on me and my family. I have already decided that my daughter and I will wear masks - inside and outside. Doesn’t bother us. We are good about cleanliness, as is my friend. I just don’t want our differences on such a huge matter to come between us. I keep trying to remind myself why I like my friend and her family. However, I just don’t want to bring Covid home as there are many in my extended family who are medically fragile.
I said yesterday that I hope something will happen and we don’t end up going. My daughter reminded me that my thought was “not nice.” I don’t want anything bad to happen to my friend or her family. I was just hoping that something would convince my friend otherwise or that more restrictions would come out. The idea of more restrictions has her getting upset by government “overreach.” She also spent 3 days listening to the “my pillow guy” symposium and commented about the experts they had. She heard about the door to door people and the vaccine and had put “No Trespassing” signs all over her yard. In other words, my friend has gone over the deep end so I don’t think between now and our trip, she will see the ridiculousness of all this political crap.
Thanks for reading my long post. I think I just need to get it out. I am torn. I sometimes think that it will be okay and other times I don’t want to put me and my family in that situation.
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 15, 2021 14:49:57 GMT
I am sorry. It sounds like the two of you started out in a similar place, and that she has changed. You may have to figure out your boundaries and whether or not you are comfortable spending time with her in person right now with the Delta variant.
This sucks.
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Post by pyccku on Aug 15, 2021 15:08:32 GMT
It's fine to take a break. Until Covid is no longer an issue, you have to take precautions to protect yourself and your family. If she's still a friend, the friendship will withstand a bit of distance.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 15, 2021 15:16:27 GMT
I have to admit that there were a lot of things I was able to grit my teeth and roll my eyes over before that are turning into things I just can’t ignore anymore after Covid and especially with the delta variant circulating. There are a few people that I have had to “snooze” IRL because I just can’t deal with the crazy and irrational constant conspiracy theories and manufactured “facts” anymore. It’s just too much.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 15, 2021 15:21:01 GMT
Are you meeting at Disney?
I like the plan of staying masked. She won't be the only unvaccinated person around unless you are in a private home
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 15, 2021 15:23:14 GMT
That is a dilemma. I’d probably advise you to postpone your trip until this surge dies down.
I have a friend from French class who likes to craft. We live in the same tiny town and I’d love to get together with her. But she’s an antivaxer and has been a social butterfly since Belgium opened back up. There’s just no way that I would get together with her, much less in an enclosed space. I know it’s not the same as a decade long friendship, though.
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Post by peasapie on Aug 15, 2021 15:24:45 GMT
I have to admit that there were a lot of things I was able to grit my teeth and roll my eyes over before that are turning into things I just can’t ignore anymore after Covid and especially with the delta variant circulating. There are a few people that I have had to “snooze” IRL because I just can’t deal with the crazy and irrational constant conspiracy theories and manufactured “facts” anymore. It’s just too much. Agree 100%. I can overlook a lot of things in people, but this is life and death.
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Post by voltagain on Aug 15, 2021 15:30:43 GMT
This is really getting to me. I have taken this whole Covid thing by believing in the Science. I get angry at the politicalization of a public health emergency. I don’t understand how people can take a world wide pandemic and be so narrow minded to think that it is only in the United States and that everything is politically motivated. I am also the kind of person who believes that knowledge is power. Which is one of the reasons why I am having issues with this whole thing. I met a lady and her family about 10 years ago and we became fast friends. We both have neurologically compromised children, love to run, Christian values, etc. We were in Disneyland together at the time we met and we just connected. The thing I like about her is I don’t have to worry about judgement. We both just “get it.” Both me and my daughter can be ourselves around them. Since that first time, we have met up on Disneyland for races and trips over the years. We communicate almost on a daily basis. Here is my problem. I and my daughter are vaccinated. We totally believe it. I am so excited because I even qualify for the booster because I have no spleen. Trust me, tomorrow morning I am calling my doctor’s office to get it. However, my friend is anti vaccine. She says there are “too many alarming issues.” I began by saying that each person needs to decide what is right for themselves and for their family. Now things have gotten worse both politically and medically. It is a huge division that I am not sure we can overcome. And then there is the mask issue. She thinks it is ridiculous and does no good. She even pulled her son out of swimming lessons because of it. She yelled at the Director even. She refuses to be tested for Covid and thinks that the hospitals are filling up with “breakthrough” Covid. She flat out says that we “have been lied to.” Yes, I believe we are being lied to but not by the party she thinks is lying. We are planning on meeting up in Disneyland. I purchased our (my daughters and mine) tickets. When we made our reservations, you had to click that you “attest” that you are vaccinated or will obtain a negative Covid test prior to entering. My friend and her family just got back from Disneyland. In other words, she lied when she “attested.” I have taken the attitude that action is totally on her. She lied about it, that is her problem, not mine. However, we are meeting up with them. Her issues now can have an impact on me and my family. I have already decided that my daughter and I will wear masks - inside and outside. Doesn’t bother us. We are good about cleanliness, as is my friend. I just don’t want our differences on such a huge matter to come between us. I keep trying to remind myself why I like my friend and her family. However, I just don’t want to bring Covid home as there are many in my extended family who are medically fragile. I said yesterday that I hope something will happen and we don’t end up going. My daughter reminded me that my thought was “not nice.” I don’t want anything bad to happen to my friend or her family. I was just hoping that something would convince my friend otherwise or that more restrictions would come out. The idea of more restrictions has her getting upset by government “overreach.” She also spent 3 days listening to the “my pillow guy” symposium and commented about the experts they had. She heard about the door to door people and the vaccine and had put “No Trespassing” signs all over her yard. In other words, my friend has gone over the deep end so I don’t think between now and our trip, she will see the ridiculousness of all this political crap. Thanks for reading my long post. I think I just need to get it out. I am torn. I sometimes think that it will be okay and other times I don’t want to put me and my family in that situation. Reality is, probably half or more of the people at Disney are lying about their vaccination status, not just your friend. If being around her and her family worries you the you really should consider if you are truly ready to be out in a public place like that. Even if Disney required a vaccine certificate you can easily buy one without getting the vaccine. We now know even vaccinated people can carry a large load of the delta variant that they can spread to others.
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Post by tracylynn on Aug 15, 2021 15:33:05 GMT
It's OK to make the right decision for you and your daughter. And honestly, if you cancel I'd be completely honest with her about why. She doesn't seem to have a problem spouting her truth to you. Why should you hold back??
If it were me, there no way I would go.
But I've made very hard decisions this past 17 months within my friend group, half of which isn't vaccinated. I'm missing out on a lot, but they've already had C19 once. It won't shock me if they get it again. 😪
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Post by dawnnikol on Aug 15, 2021 15:51:20 GMT
It's OK to make the right decision for you and your daughter. And honestly, if you cancel I'd be completely honest with her about why. She doesn't seem to have a problem spouting her truth to you. Why should you hold back?? Yep. Although, since you want to keep the friendship, I'd just either 1- go without them or 2- cancel the trip completely. My kids can't be vaccinated yet, so we've made some decisions that other people don't agree with and I have to remember who/why I'm doing all this. It's not easy. I wish people would stop using YouTube and FB for their research.
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Post by Gennifer on Aug 15, 2021 16:14:53 GMT
I’m a firm believer that when someone shows you who they are, you should believe them. We all make decisions every day on what traits we want in our friends: whether it’s shared life experiences, hobbies, religion, history, etc.
I think it’s fair to ask yourself if you would develop a close friendship with her if you met her today, because sometimes people we were friends with in the past no longer align with what we want from our relationships.
And that’s okay. Marie Kondo them… thank them (mentally) for the part they’ve played in your life, and then let them go.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Aug 15, 2021 16:25:51 GMT
Reality is, probably half or more of the people at Disney are lying about their vaccination status, not just your friend. If being around her and her family worries you the you really should consider if you are truly ready to be out in a public place like that. Even if Disney required a vaccine certificate you can easily buy one without getting the vaccine. We now know even vaccinated people can carry a large load of the delta variant that they can spread to others. If that is truly the issue with meeting up with your friend, then you need to consider all the others at Disneyland who are also going to be unvaccinated - and reconsider your trip. And Delta doesn't care if you are vaccinated or not. There are a lot of breakthrough infections out there right now. I've just had it and my DH is still in hospital recovering. We were both fully vaccinated earlier this year. If you are still willing to go knowing that, then your issue is with your friend's choice and it differing from yours. Only you can decide if you can live with that difference or not.
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Post by Laurie on Aug 15, 2021 16:31:30 GMT
I can understand someone. It getting because they are worried about the possible long term effects. I am right there with them but I ended up just getting the vaccine. So I view those people differently than people who think that this is made up. That is stupid talk and I have a hard time listening to stupid talk without telling them they sound uneducated.
Since she falls on the side of stupid talk I wouldn’t want to be around her at Disney. Not because of the risk because let’s be honest there are more people like her there that are probably lying. I wouldn’t want to be around her because I don’t want to spend my relaxing vacation to Disney listening to stupid talk.
I am now to the point that if you talk about politics more than anything else than I am done with you. It doesn’t matter if they are the same party as me or not. Anyone that lets talking politics consume most of their life is part of the problem of this divide. So I would change my vacation to a different time so I didn’t have to listen to this lady go on and on about politics on my vacation.
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Post by Really Red on Aug 15, 2021 16:50:05 GMT
I am sorry. It totally sucks. We are getting more and more divided and while I'd like to put the blame squarely on Trump, he just catered to what people believe. I would go, but not with them. I would also ask your friend how she feels about lying? Are there times when it's okay? Times when it's not? How does she make that judgment call? In the end, though, I am 100% in agreement with Gennifer. She has shown you who she is. The rare instances when someone does one thing out of character and then begs forgiveness may be forgiven, but she is lying and sounds like she's proud of it.
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Post by peano on Aug 15, 2021 17:00:42 GMT
What are your values? Your code of ethics? Are you willing to have people in your life who violate them? Relationships naturally evolve. It sounds like this one has outlived its usefulness.
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Post by katybee on Aug 15, 2021 17:23:09 GMT
As a fully vaccinated person suffering from covid right now, I highly suggest you postpone your trip. I caught covid at school, where I know the vast majority of the large group I was with ARE vaccinated. Someone still passed it to me, and I would imagine I was spewing covid for at least a day or 2 before I got sick. 🤷🏼♀️
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Post by flanz on Aug 15, 2021 18:20:58 GMT
I’m a firm believer that when someone shows you who they are, you should believe them. We all make decisions every day on what traits we want in our friends: whether it’s shared life experiences, hobbies, religion, history, etc. I think it’s fair to ask yourself if you would develop a close friendship with her if you met her today, because sometimes people we were friends with in the past no longer align with what we want from our relationships. And that’s okay. Marie Kondo them… thank them (mentally) for the part they’ve played in your life, and then let them go. This! Beautifully stated. <3
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Aug 15, 2021 18:24:57 GMT
I'd choose to go or not to go based on the risk I'm willing to take for that day, and not really based on my friend's choices especially if it's a good friend. If you are upset about the situation then maybe it's a good idea not to go. If you can go, be outside most of the time and feel safe then enjoy the day.
I have vaccinated friends going out as if everything is back to normal. Is it back to normal?!?!?!?! Sigh. I've only seen 4 vaccinated staff members at school wearing masks. Everything is back to normal... I have unvaccinated friends being extremely cautious and trying to avoid huge crowds. Should I be equally pissed at both groups since they'll both spread it? I can't walk around day to day with that much hate. I guess I'm saving my anger for when school shuts down since masks weren't mandated, or when all the teachers are out because we had two district wide meetings before school starts and no one wore masks.
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Post by pilcas on Aug 15, 2021 18:45:11 GMT
I have a hard time with Christians whose Christian values allows them to totally ignore other peoples well being. I have given up on a friendship with a woman who is very anti abortion-which I don’t agree with, but I can respect. But she is also pro gun rights/anti gun control. And I just don’t see the logic in that. An abortion is a crime but it is ok to sell semi automatic weapons, made to kill to just anyone? I lost respect and all desire to continue the friendship. I am not telling you this is what you need to do, go by what feels right to you. Yes, it is sad,
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Post by purplebee on Aug 15, 2021 19:07:07 GMT
I have a hard time with Christians whose Christian values allows them to totally ignore other peoples well being. I have given up on a friendship with a woman who is very anti abortion-which I don’t agree with, but I can respect. But she is also pro gun rights/anti gun control. And I just don’t see the logic in that. An abortion is a crime but it is ok to sell semi automatic weapons, made to kill to just anyone? I lost respect and all desire to continue the friendship. I am not telling you this is what you need to do, go by what feels right to you. Yes, it is sad, I am angered by the anti-vax/anti-mask crowd in my community who are the first to spout their “pro-life” stuff online, including a close co-worker. No, you are not “pro-life,” you are pro-embryo. Hypocrites.
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Post by caangel on Aug 15, 2021 20:50:56 GMT
Reality is, probably half or more of the people at Disney are lying about their vaccination status, not just your friend. If being around her and her family worries you the you really should consider if you are truly ready to be out in a public place like that. Even if Disney required a vaccine certificate you can easily buy one without getting the vaccine. We now know even vaccinated people can carry a large load of the delta variant that they can spread to others. If that is truly the issue with meeting up with your friend, then you need to consider all the others at Disneyland who are also going to be unvaccinated - and reconsider your trip. And Delta doesn't care if you are vaccinated or not. There are a lot of breakthrough infections out there right now. I've just had it and my DH is still in hospital recovering. We were both fully vaccinated earlier this year. If you are still willing to go knowing that, then your issue is with your friend's choice and it differing from yours. Only you can decide if you can live with that difference or not. Ditto. Orange County is Southern California's Florida.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 15, 2021 21:34:46 GMT
It's OK to make the right decision for you and your daughter. And honestly, if you cancel I'd be completely honest with her about why. She doesn't seem to have a problem spouting her truth to you. Why should you hold back?? If it were me, there no way I would go. This. Plus, I have an issue with her lying about it. What kind of person does that when other peoples’ lives are at stake? And just so she can go to an amusement park? The lying is bad enough, that just makes it even worse.
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Post by manomo on Aug 15, 2021 22:53:53 GMT
Your "friend" is willing to actively participate in spreading a virus that has the capacity to kill. Are you willing to do the same?
Just because you are vaccinated does not mean you still can't catch it and spread it, even unknowingly. Going somewhere where a fair number of people are not protected and hanging out in close proximity with people you definitely know are not protected is asking for trouble. Who in your life are you willing to spread this virus to if you catch it?
Your friend is the worst kind of selfish. I hope you are not.
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 16, 2021 12:34:27 GMT
I would postpone going to anyplace as crowded as a Disney park right now. That gives you time to think about continuing your friendship.
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Post by mammajamma on Aug 16, 2021 12:46:04 GMT
I have a very similar friend situation and it’s eating me up. I can understand where you are coming from. Friends are hard to come by, so from that standpoint, I hate to let my friend go over the pandemic. I keep thinking if only my children could be vaccinated, then maybe I could let up enough to not let her covid approach bother me so much.
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Post by ellen on Aug 16, 2021 13:03:26 GMT
I couldn't have a friend like that. We have an unvaccinated couple that we'll socialize with outside, but as soon as it gets cool here that is over. The wife in this couple wants to wait until the vaccine is FDA approved. We'll see if she actually does it after that. We're all polite and don't discuss politics or criticize, but at a certain point I'm not going into a building with them.
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Post by 950nancy on Aug 16, 2021 16:47:39 GMT
She has shared what she believes. I will reserve my judgment from listening to the pillow guy for three days though. I would honestly tell her that you have your tickets and will be there. You also have your beliefs that are backed by science and you will not be able to connect on this trip. Period. The end. You hanging out with people who you know are lying and ignoring science could have consequences for you. Your friend is allowed to make her decisions and this is a consequence for her.
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