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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 15, 2021 23:23:28 GMT
Merriam Webster… “Yet there's another dog whistle we've been hearing about lately: a coded message communicated through words or phrases commonly understood by a particular group of people, but not by others.”How so? The false Republican attack blaming immigrants for covid surges is absolutely a dog whistle. It’s an attempt by DeSantis and Abbott to distract from the covid emergency in their states or at the very least, to blame someone else. The far right Republicans are stirring up their base on anti-immigration, which at its roots is racist and xenophobic. True. And I agree that immigrants should be given full info on the vaccine. I still say that if they have been given information and if they have had their questions answered, that any refusal should lead to expulsion. I am angry enough at the people who live here and refuse the jab; I don’t want any new anti-vaxxers. I am not anti-immigrant; I am very definitely anti anti-vax.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 15, 2021 23:25:57 GMT
Curious, why should the United States be the one to educate these individuals about the vaccine? From the CBS story… “Six thousand immigrants in ICE custody have so far declined to be vaccinated, according to the figures.”That’s a lot of one on one convincing. I believe those who coming knocking at our door seeking asylum should be treated as humans. Which has been made clear that has not always been the case. Having said that it’s not our place to convince these individuals to be vaccinated. You want to stay in this country and go through the process of potentially being admitted, then fine you get vaccinated. If not, then the US needs to arrange for their transport back to their country and not some other country out in the middle of no where. Then the choice becomes theirs. And based on the journey some had getting to our border, getting vaccinated against COVID is probably the easiest part. I think that it’s only fair to explain to people what the vaccine is for if you are requiring them to take it.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 15, 2021 23:26:00 GMT
My thoughts. No vaccine, we take your finger prints, deport you, you will never be allowed to come back, you will never have legal entry, no hope of citizenship, ever. Hardball? Yup! What if they change their minds about the vaccine? They have the opportunity to listen and learn ... They then have to make a choice. Vaccine or not is their choice to stay or go.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 15, 2021 23:34:32 GMT
I think there is a huge difference between individual families vacationing in Canada, crossing a border where you speak the language…and trying to immigrate to a country to escape extreme hardships, along with thousands of other people where you are herded like cattle through a crossing where many don’t speak the language.
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Aug 15, 2021 23:40:03 GMT
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Post by dewryce on Aug 15, 2021 23:40:03 GMT
What if they change their minds about the vaccine? They have the opportunity to listen and learn ... They then have to make a choice. Vaccine or not is their choice to stay or go. How long did many people here take to decide on the vaccine? To do their research, speak with their physicians, etc. You’re suggesting that if immigrants decide against it after being rushed and pressured to take it, that they should never have the opportunity to try and come here again once they have had the opportunity to educate themselves and have changed their mind. I can’t agree with that. I agree completely that if they won’t get the vaccine after having their questions addressed we should not allow them entry at this time. But to punish them because they didn’t agree to get the vaccine in a rush decision in these circumstances? I’m not okay with that.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 15, 2021 23:40:31 GMT
Curious, why should the United States be the one to educate these individuals about the vaccine? From the CBS story… “Six thousand immigrants in ICE custody have so far declined to be vaccinated, according to the figures.”That’s a lot of one on one convincing. I believe those who coming knocking at our door seeking asylum should be treated as humans. Which has been made clear that has not always been the case. Having said that it’s not our place to convince these individuals to be vaccinated. You want to stay in this country and go through the process of potentially being admitted, then fine you get vaccinated. If not, then the US needs to arrange for their transport back to their country and not some other country out in the middle of no where. Then the choice becomes theirs. And based on the journey some had getting to our border, getting vaccinated against COVID is probably the easiest part. I think that it’s only fair to explain to people what the vaccine is for if you are requiring them to take it. Do you think it’s the job of every country that requires folks to be vaccinated before they enter their country to explain to those who seek to enter and are not vaccinated what the vaccine is for? Do you think the country should arrange a one on one with a doctor for those who live outside their country and want to enter it to explain why they should be vaccinated? I don’t think the countries should be required to explain to those trying to enter their country why they must be vaccinated for this virus. People around the world know about this virus. I don’t think any area has been spared from it. Certainly not the countries these folks are coming from. I guess we are going to disagree on this.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 15, 2021 23:46:07 GMT
Merriam Webster… “Yet there's another dog whistle we've been hearing about lately: a coded message communicated through words or phrases commonly understood by a particular group of people, but not by others.”How so? The false Republican attack blaming immigrants for covid surges is absolutely a dog whistle. It’s an attempt by DeSantis and Abbott to distract from the covid emergency in their states or at the very least, to blame someone else. The far right Republicans are stirring up their base on anti-immigration, which at its roots is racist and xenophobic. I don't think that the immigrants are the reason for the explosion of cases in Texas and Florida. I am in favor of not letting anybody in that is not vaccinated. In fact, I'd be in favor of keeping them until they can get their second shot. I'm sorry, but this isn't a wishy washy thing. People need to be vaccinated. While we can't force people, we give them a choice. Vaccine or no entry whether it be into the country or a concert.
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Aug 15, 2021 23:47:53 GMT
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 15, 2021 23:47:53 GMT
They have the opportunity to listen and learn ... They then have to make a choice. Vaccine or not is their choice to stay or go. How long did many people here take to decide on the vaccine? To do their research, speak with their physicians, etc.? You’re suggesting that if immigrants decide against it after being rushed and pressured to take it, that they should never have the opportunity to try and come here again once they have had The opportunity to educate themselves and have changed their mind? I can’t agree with that. I agree completely that if they won’t get the vaccine after having their questions addressed we should not allow them entry at this time. But to punish them because they didn’t agree to get the vaccine in a rush decision in these circumstances? I’m not okay with that. if they can prove vaccination in the future, I'd be okay with allowing them in. But, I think I'd like some way to check that.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 15, 2021 23:49:13 GMT
Curious, why should the United States be the one to educate these individuals about the vaccine? From the CBS story… “Six thousand immigrants in ICE custody have so far declined to be vaccinated, according to the figures.”That’s a lot of one on one convincing. I believe those who coming knocking at our door seeking asylum should be treated as humans. Which has been made clear that has not always been the case. Having said that it’s not our place to convince these individuals to be vaccinated. You want to stay in this country and go through the process of potentially being admitted, then fine you get vaccinated. If not, then the US needs to arrange for their transport back to their country and not some other country out in the middle of no where. Then the choice becomes theirs. And based on the journey some had getting to our border, getting vaccinated against COVID is probably the easiest part. I think that it’s only fair to explain to people what the vaccine is for if you are requiring them to take it. sure. Here is the vaccination we are requiring for entry. Currently it is our best protection against Covid. Entry into the US is contingent on vaccination.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 15, 2021 23:50:52 GMT
How long did many people here take to decide on the vaccine? To do their research, speak with their physicians, etc.? You’re suggesting that if immigrants decide against it after being rushed and pressured to take it, that they should never have the opportunity to try and come here again once they have had The opportunity to educate themselves and have changed their mind? I can’t agree with that. I agree completely that if they won’t get the vaccine after having their questions addressed we should not allow them entry at this time. But to punish them because they didn’t agree to get the vaccine in a rush decision in these circumstances? I’m not okay with that. if they can prove vaccination in the future, I'd be okay with allowing them in. But, I think I'd like some way to check that. That’s a good point and adds a snag to it for sure.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 15, 2021 23:53:54 GMT
I think that it’s only fair to explain to people what the vaccine is for if you are requiring them to take it. Do you think it’s the job of every country that requires folks to be vaccinated before they enter their country to explain to those who seek to enter and are not vaccinated what the vaccine is for? Do you think the country should arrange a one on one with a doctor for those who live outside their country and want to enter it to explain why they should be vaccinated? I don’t think the countries should be required to explain to those trying to enter their country why they must be vaccinated for this virus. People around the world know about this virus. I don’t think any area has been spared from it. Certainly not the countries these folks are coming from. I guess we are going to disagree on this. I think that we will.
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Aug 15, 2021 23:55:27 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 15, 2021 23:55:27 GMT
Earlier someone posted a list of vaccines needed to enter the US. I don't have a portion of them. I did have more then a few of the actual diseases though. Can't prove it though.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 15, 2021 23:57:47 GMT
I think that it’s only fair to explain to people what the vaccine is for if you are requiring them to take it. sure. Here is the vaccination we are requiring for entry. Currently it is our best protection against Covid. Entry into the US is contingent on vaccination. I think that, as was mentioned in one of the articles in this thread, that it is reasonable to hand out info in their language for informational purposes. Along with that, some frequently asked questions with answers. If they do not want the vaccine after that, then no entry.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 16, 2021 0:30:43 GMT
sure. Here is the vaccination we are requiring for entry. Currently it is our best protection against Covid. Entry into the US is contingent on vaccination. I think that, as was mentioned in one of the articles in this thread, that it is reasonable to hand out info in their language for informational purposes. Along with that, some frequently asked questions with answers. If they do not want the vaccine after that, then no entry. I'm good with that. Especially if they are coming from somewhere where the vaccination hasn't been readily available or on the news constantly. Just because Americans have has access to the information, doesn't mean the entire world has.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 16, 2021 4:52:08 GMT
I think that, as was mentioned in one of the articles in this thread, that it is reasonable to hand out info in their language for informational purposes. Along with that, some frequently asked questions with answers. If they do not want the vaccine after that, then no entry. I'm good with that. Especially if they are coming from somewhere where the vaccination hasn't been readily available or on the news constantly. Just because Americans have has access to the information, doesn't mean the entire world has. And even with that access how many Americans are misinformed about the vaccine? I agree with the information sheet that includes FAQs in their native languages, that’s been floating in my head. How hard could it be to put something together using the information from the CDC website? And maybe some sort of town hall where questions can be answered for groups at a time rather than one-on-one. We’re talking about why we shouldn’t have to provide any education about the vaccine for them, because they had it available. Well, sure, some of them. But some of them don’t have toothpaste. Or food. Or diapers. Most of them are not coming from cushy homes where they had internet access and a device to log on to it. I think it’s safe to assume some of them don’t have information about the vaccine and are therefore leery of it. And I don’t see why we can’t take that into consideration, show some compassion and understanding for their situation, and provide a little education when we are reasonably able to do so.
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Post by cycworker on Aug 16, 2021 6:27:07 GMT
I'm torn. I do think people should be able to get medical information about these vaccines from someone who can speak their native language. And I understand why there might be reluctance or downright fear. Trump was President for the first part of the pandemic. It is easy to understand why someone coming from another country may be confused & think Trump had a role in the creation of the vaccines, and that he directed people to create some that could be weaponized against immigrants. The man is an evil, sociopathic, xenophobe. Nobody should trust anything that came from him/his era at face value, without getting info from a doctor - least of all immigrants seeking asylum. Couple that with the likelihood that the countries they were feeling from are awful, and the 'leaders' there could be using lies about the vaccine to keep people from trying to leave, and I say cut them slack.
It's ironic that people are cutting slack to Trumpers who won't get vaccinated immediately but are attacking immigrants / refusing to assist them based on fear of a vaccine they likely don't understand.
It's a moot point in that since the vaccine hasn't been fully approved by the FDA, I don't think it CAN be added to the list of required vaccinations.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 16, 2021 6:31:02 GMT
I'm torn. I do think people should be able to get medical information about these vaccines from someone who can speak their native language. And I understand why there might be reluctance or downright fear. Trump was President for the first part of the pandemic. It is easy to understand why someone coming from another country may be confused & think Trump had a role in the creation of the vaccines, and that he directed people to create some that could be weaponized against immigrants. The man is an evil, sociopathic, xenophobe. Nobody should trust anything that came from him/his era at face value, without getting info from a doctor - least of all immigrants seeking asylum. Couple that with the likelihood that the countries they were feeling from are awful, and the 'leaders' there could be using lies about the vaccine to keep people from trying to leave, and I say cut them slack. It's ironic that people are cutting slack to Trumpers who won't get vaccinated immediately but are attacking immigrants / refusing to assist them based on fear of a vaccine they likely don't understand. It's a moot point in that since the vaccine hasn't been fully approved by the FDA, I don't think it CAN be added to the list of required vaccinations. I'm not cutting Trumpers slack. I think they are idiots and if they lose their job or can't go to an event, serves them right. But, they are citizens and they are already here. People coming into the country are not here yet and can be kept out.
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Aug 16, 2021 11:32:59 GMT
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Post by kibblesandbits on Aug 16, 2021 11:32:59 GMT
This story makes me uncomfortable and I can’t put my finger on exactly why. But I suspect this is more nuanced than is being presented and getting Americans all riled up about a risk of immigration is the motivation behind why this is getting attention. This. But, lately it's been fun around here reading all the "no vax, no entry" "no vax, no job" "no vax, no $$$" and for icing on the cake "I paid MY student loans, you pay yours too" comments. How very . . . republican.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 16, 2021 11:56:46 GMT
This story makes me uncomfortable and I can’t put my finger on exactly why. But I suspect this is more nuanced than is being presented and getting Americans all riled up about a risk of immigration is the motivation behind why this is getting attention. This. But, lately it's been fun around here reading all the "no vax, no entry" "no vax, no job" "no vax, no $$$" and for icing on the cake "I paid MY student loans, you pay yours too" comments. How very . . . republican. Republicans of yesteryear, perhaps, but certainly not today’s Republicans. I wonder sometimes what my Republican parents would have thought about how Texas, Florida and the rest have been handling a public health crisis. I believe that they would be rightly horrified at the hands off mismanagement of Covid by Abbott and DeSantis.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Aug 16, 2021 12:00:05 GMT
I'm on the side of no vax no entry. I'm sorry but at this point we need to get this under control. And I don't believe the resurge is due to immigrants. I believe the resurge is due to anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers crying about freedom and my body, my right. And it would be your body, your right if I could stick you all on an island together but I can't.
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Post by pinklady on Sept 15, 2021 20:30:19 GMT
Seriously, nobody quoted the OP before it was deleted? I'm so disappointed in the peas. Oh, so the OP replaced all her posts with a ".".
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Post by christine58 on Sept 15, 2021 21:04:20 GMT
pinklady Here is part of it... @onelastime why the delete?? Own what you posted. Curious, why should the United States be the one to educate these individuals about the vaccine? From the CBS story… “Six thousand immigrants in ICE custody have so far declined to be vaccinated, according to the figures.”That’s a lot of one on one convincing. I believe those who coming knocking at our door seeking asylum should be treated as humans. Which has been made clear that has not always been the case. Having said that it’s not our place to convince these individuals to be vaccinated. You want to stay in this country and go through the process of potentially being admitted, then fine you get vaccinated. If not, then the US needs to arrange for their transport back to their country and not some other country out in the middle of no where. Then the choice becomes theirs. And based on the journey some had getting to our border, getting vaccinated against COVID is probably the easiest part.
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Post by peasapie on Sept 15, 2021 21:07:59 GMT
Where's the OP?
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Post by pinklady on Sept 15, 2021 21:26:51 GMT
pinklady Here is part of it... @onelastime why the delete?? Own what you posted. Curious, why should the United States be the one to educate these individuals about the vaccine? From the CBS story… “Six thousand immigrants in ICE custody have so far declined to be vaccinated, according to the figures.”That’s a lot of one on one convincing. I believe those who coming knocking at our door seeking asylum should be treated as humans. Which has been made clear that has not always been the case. Having said that it’s not our place to convince these individuals to be vaccinated. You want to stay in this country and go through the process of potentially being admitted, then fine you get vaccinated. If not, then the US needs to arrange for their transport back to their country and not some other country out in the middle of no where. Then the choice becomes theirs. And based on the journey some had getting to our border, getting vaccinated against COVID is probably the easiest part. Its not onelasttime . It was x2mom who deleted almost all her posts and changed the threads she started to ".". That must have taken her a shit ton of time to alter over 1200 posts. What a total weirdo.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 15, 2021 21:37:41 GMT
I bet there is mistrust, but if you refuse the vaccination there should be no way on any God's green earth that you should expect to immigrate. No vaccine no immigration. All countries should be saying this. question #2 on the USCIS Application for Visa that immigrants must complete prior to their interview states " do you have documentation to establish that you have received vaccinations in accordance with US law?" if the applicant says "no", they may not be issued an immigrant visa. however, i don't know if the COVID vaccine is one of those vaccines that are currently required to get in. oops, i just saw the list of vaccines someone posted on page 1. i think it should be though. someone in Washington DC needs to get on that. pronto.
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Post by christine58 on Sept 15, 2021 21:40:18 GMT
Its not onelasttime . It was x2mom who deleted almost all her posts and changed the threads she started to ".". That must have taken her a shit ton of time to alter over 1200 posts. What a total weirdo. OOOOH thanks..apologies to onelasttime
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Post by elaine on Sept 15, 2021 21:43:15 GMT
The latest anti-immigrant dog whistle going around on my NextDoor is the “why are we spending money of refugees when our veterans need money?” We’ve had a half-dozen of these threads in the past couple of weeks, because they are processing refugees through Dulles and in a local facility.
They get all indignant when I point out that 1. The are separate pools of money, and whatever we save by not serving refugees will not be spent on veterans and 2. Veteran services have been underfunded since before Viet Nam, so the current issues with the refugees have had no impact on underfunding our Veterans.
Clearly this has been a talking point on FOX and OAN, because the people who spout this crap also explain that we need to watch FOX and OAN to get the “real news” about this situation.
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Post by MichyM on Sept 15, 2021 21:44:30 GMT
pinklady Here is part of it... @onelastime why the delete?? Own what you posted. It was x2mom who deleted almost all her posts and changed the threads she started to ".". That must have taken her a shit ton of time to alter over 1200 posts. Holy cow, THAT is commitment right there. I don't recall this thread the first time around, now instead of doing what what I should be doing, instead I'm off to read it to see why she did what she did.
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Post by katlady on Sept 15, 2021 21:48:02 GMT
It was x2mom who deleted almost all her posts and changed the threads she started to ".". That must have taken her a shit ton of time to alter over 1200 posts. Holy cow, THAT is commitment right there. I don't recall this thread the first time around, now instead of doing what what I should be doing, instead I'm off to read it to see why she did what she did. Strange! She even deleted the title and her OP on an innocent post about Monarch butterflies. I posted on that one.
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