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Post by Zee on Aug 15, 2021 17:54:46 GMT
I can't say I really blame them for not trusting the government, but they can go on and get the hell out then.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2021 18:12:43 GMT
90 million Americans have refused the shot, too. Should they get the hell out? Immigrants are refusing the vaccine for the same reason many Americans are - fear of the unknown and misinformation. Or a false sense of security - that covid is not a threat to them, they’re young & healthy etc.
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Post by malibou on Aug 15, 2021 18:14:20 GMT
I bet there is mistrust, but if you refuse the vaccination there should be no way on any God's green earth that you should expect to immigrate. No vaccine no immigration. All countries should be saying this.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 15, 2021 18:14:35 GMT
I can't say I really blame them for not trusting the government, but they can go on and get the hell out then. This. No vaccine, no entry. We have enough anti-vaxxers here already.
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Post by malibou on Aug 15, 2021 18:16:15 GMT
90 million Americans have refused the shot, too. Should they get the hell out? Immigrants are refusing the vaccine for the same reason many Americans are - fear of the unknown and misinformation. Or a false sense of security - that covid is not a threat to them, they’re young & healthy etc. It's bad enough our own countrymen are refusing for loads of stupid reasons, but no way should someone seeking immigration think they can pull that crap and still come in.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 15, 2021 18:16:26 GMT
90 million Americans have refused the shot, too. Should they get the hell out? Immigrants are refusing the vaccine for the same reason many Americans are - fear of the unknown and misinformation. Or a false sense of security - that covid is not a threat to them, they’re young & healthy etc. The difference is, we can’t kick out citizens. But it is foolish to allow more anti-vaxxers to enter. They will just contribute to the Covid problem.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2021 18:19:59 GMT
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 15, 2021 18:21:44 GMT
90 million Americans have refused the shot, too. Should they get the hell out? Immigrants are refusing the vaccine for the same reason many Americans are - fear of the unknown and misinformation. Or a false sense of security - that covid is not a threat to them, they’re young & healthy etc. The difference is, we can’t kick out citizens. But it is foolish to allow more anti-vaxxers to enter. They will just contribute to the Covid problem. I agree 100%. I am as pro immigration as they come, but I don't think at this point we need anyone coming in who won't be vaccinated. I frankly wish we could kick out the anti vaxxers or at least ship them all to one state to live and rule and heal themselves, but since we can't we need to do what we can do. If that means not letting immigrants in who won't get vaccinated, so be it.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2021 18:25:58 GMT
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Post by Zee on Aug 15, 2021 18:52:28 GMT
90 million Americans have refused the shot, too. Should they get the hell out? Immigrants are refusing the vaccine for the same reason many Americans are - fear of the unknown and misinformation. Or a false sense of security - that covid is not a threat to them, they’re young & healthy etc. We can't make citizens get it, but we sure can make it a condition of immigration. We don't have to tolerate fear of vaccines from people seeking to enter this country. It's bad enough we have to deal with it all around us. And I'm not even a little anti-immigration, but I AM anti-anti-science. (Edited above, I'm not anti science, lol)
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Post by monklady123 on Aug 15, 2021 19:50:09 GMT
It's bad enough that we have our own citizen idiots... So nope, if you want to come here as an immigrant you can get vaccinated. In fact, I wish we could send our own anti-vaxers to a deserted island somewhere and let them hang out with each other so we can get past this Delta wave.
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Post by busy on Aug 15, 2021 19:58:12 GMT
This story makes me uncomfortable and I can’t put my finger on exactly why. But I suspect this is more nuanced than is being presented and getting Americans all riled up about a risk of immigration is the motivation behind why this is getting attention.
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 15, 2021 20:11:07 GMT
I do not know about the corrections officers in immigration facilities specifically, but corrections officers in prisons have a pretty low vaccination rate. Not sure, if I were in another country, and the citizens with whom I interacted would not vaccinate, how I would feel about getting vaccinated.
Still, yes, everyone should vaccinate.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 15, 2021 20:11:39 GMT
Because we are not getting the whole truth. busy
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Post by Zee on Aug 15, 2021 20:18:29 GMT
I never thought I'd see, on this board, liberals arguing amongst themselves in favor of anti-vaxers. But it's definitely true to pea form!
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Post by katiekaty on Aug 15, 2021 20:38:23 GMT
Sorry about you not wanting the vaccine, you can go on back to your country now. Don’t need that crap here!
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2021 20:49:02 GMT
I never thought I'd see, on this board, liberals arguing amongst themselves in favor of anti-vaxers. But it's definitely true to pea form! We’re not in favor of anti-vaxxers. We’re just for anti-vax immigrants being treated the same as anti-vaxxers. Many of the immigrants that declined the vaccine just have questions that they want to ask a physician or someone they trust in their native language. from the article the OP posted www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-ramps-up-vaccination-of-immigrants-in-u-s-custody-but-thousands-have-refused/Often what I hear and see from patients is that there will be big, large-scale offerings, where a whole housing area will be told, 'take it or leave it,'" Venters, who has inspected ICE detention facilities during the pandemic, told CBS News. "That is one approach that results in some people getting vaccinated. But there are a lot of people who just have basic questions about the vaccine, the safety or about their own health that require counseling." To quell vaccine misinformation and fear, Venters said immigrants in ICE detention should be allowed to have one-on-one sessions with doctors and community advocates. They should also receive information about the benefits of the vaccine in languages they understand, he noted. "Just like in the community, when somebody is taking a medicine, when someone has a history of some sort of allergic reaction or just when they don't know, they need to sit down and talk to somebody that has the knowledge and that they trust — and that's difficult in immigration detention," Venters said.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2021 20:52:44 GMT
This story makes me uncomfortable and I can’t put my finger on exactly why. But I suspect this is more nuanced than is being presented and getting Americans all riled up about a risk of immigration is the motivation behind why this is getting attention. This exactly. Knowing the history of the OP, regrettably, this might be her motivation. And the Republican talking points blaming immigrants for covid surges are based on racism and xenophobia.
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Post by seaexplore on Aug 15, 2021 21:17:47 GMT
Sorry about you not wanting the vaccine, you can go on back to your country now. Don’t need that crap here! Yup
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Post by dewryce on Aug 15, 2021 21:18:11 GMT
I never thought I'd see, on this board, liberals arguing amongst themselves in favor of anti-vaxers. But it's definitely true to pea form! I definitely think it should be a requirement for entry. But I also agree with @ajhall about there needing to be more/better education to address their fears, many of which were probably influenced by our last president, his administration, and the GOP. Their fears are understandable, so I think a blanket ‘do it or leave’ to a room full of people is not going to be very effective. I also think it’s important to note that this is a talking point being used to bolster the far right-wing anti-immigration stance and is, at its roots, racist and xenophobic.
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Post by christine58 on Aug 15, 2021 21:47:51 GMT
Shit...can't even get into Canada LEGALLY without being vaccinated...don't want it..don't come. OR come legally...
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 15, 2021 21:59:25 GMT
Curious, why should the United States be the one to educate these individuals about the vaccine?
From the CBS story…
“Six thousand immigrants in ICE custody have so far declined to be vaccinated, according to the figures.”
That’s a lot of one on one convincing.
I believe those who coming knocking at our door seeking asylum should be treated as humans. Which has been made clear that has not always been the case.
Having said that it’s not our place to convince these individuals to be vaccinated.
You want to stay in this country and go through the process of potentially being admitted, then fine you get vaccinated. If not, then the US needs to arrange for their transport back to their country and not some other country out in the middle of no where.
Then the choice becomes theirs. And based on the journey some had getting to our border, getting vaccinated against COVID is probably the easiest part.
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Post by purplebee on Aug 15, 2021 21:59:30 GMT
Do I hear a dog whistle?
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Aug 15, 2021 22:20:36 GMT
Post by onelasttime on Aug 15, 2021 22:20:36 GMT
Merriam Webster… “Yet there's another dog whistle we've been hearing about lately: a coded message communicated through words or phrases commonly understood by a particular group of people, but not by others.”How so?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 15, 2021 22:29:52 GMT
My thoughts. No vaccine, we take your finger prints, deport you, you will never be allowed to come back, you will never have legal entry, no hope of citizenship, ever.
Hardball? Yup!
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2021 22:51:37 GMT
Merriam Webster… “Yet there's another dog whistle we've been hearing about lately: a coded message communicated through words or phrases commonly understood by a particular group of people, but not by others.”How so? The false Republican attack blaming immigrants for covid surges is absolutely a dog whistle. It’s an attempt by DeSantis and Abbott to distract from the covid emergency in their states or at the very least, to blame someone else. The far right Republicans are stirring up their base on anti-immigration, which at its roots is racist and xenophobic.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 15, 2021 22:52:11 GMT
Merriam Webster… “Yet there's another dog whistle we've been hearing about lately: a coded message communicated through words or phrases commonly understood by a particular group of people, but not by others.”How so? The false Republican attack blaming immigrants for covid surges is absolutely a dog whistle. It’s an attempt by DeSantis and Abbott to distract from the covid emergency in their states or at the very least, to blame someone else. The far right Republicans are stirring up their base on anti-immigration, which at its roots is racist and xenophobic. Got ya!
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2021 22:54:30 GMT
Curious, why should the United States be the one to educate these individuals about the vaccine? From the CBS story… “Six thousand immigrants in ICE custody have so far declined to be vaccinated, according to the figures.”That’s a lot of one on one convincing. I believe those who coming knocking at our door seeking asylum should be treated as humans. Which has been made clear that has not always been the case. Having said that it’s not our place to convince these individuals to be vaccinated. You want to stay in this country and go through the process of potentially being admitted, then fine you get vaccinated. If not, then the US needs to arrange for their transport back to their country and not some other country out in the middle of no where. Then the choice becomes theirs. And based on the journey some had getting to our border, getting vaccinated against COVID is probably the easiest part. 6,000 immigrants is a drop in the bucket compared to the 90 million Americans refusing the vaccine. If we’re willing to be patient with 90 million Americans, why can’t we be patient with immigrants? Give them an opportunity to ask questions in their native language.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 15, 2021 23:18:36 GMT
Curious, why should the United States be the one to educate these individuals about the vaccine? From the CBS story… “Six thousand immigrants in ICE custody have so far declined to be vaccinated, according to the figures.”That’s a lot of one on one convincing. I believe those who coming knocking at our door seeking asylum should be treated as humans. Which has been made clear that has not always been the case. Having said that it’s not our place to convince these individuals to be vaccinated. You want to stay in this country and go through the process of potentially being admitted, then fine you get vaccinated. If not, then the US needs to arrange for their transport back to their country and not some other country out in the middle of no where. Then the choice becomes theirs. And based on the journey some had getting to our border, getting vaccinated against COVID is probably the easiest part. 6,000 immigrants is a drop in the bucket compared to the 90 million Americans refusing the vaccine. If we’re willing to be patient with 90 million Americans, why can’t we be patient with immigrants? Give them an opportunity to ask questions in their native language. Let me ask you a question. In order to enter Canada one has to be vaccinated. Do you think it’s Canada’s job to educate those who try and enter their country that are not vaccinated? They’re clear on the requirements needed to enter their country during the pandemic. There is very little difference between those on the southern border trying to get into this country and those wanting to cross the border into Canada during a pandemic. The difference is those coming across the southern border to seek asylum have the US willing to vaccinate them. They aren’t turning them away and telling them to get vaccinated and then come back. And what if after the one on one they still decide then don’t want to be vaccinated. Then what? Just say ok, you can still go through the process of seeking asylum and we’ll just hope for the best? One of the biggest reasons we are having these surges is because of fools who think they know better. Not much we can do about the residents of this country who think that short of tying them down to vaccinate them. But we don’t have to waste time, energy, & money convincing folks who want to enter this country it’s in their best interest and those around them to get vaccinated. So I guess we are going to disagree on this.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 15, 2021 23:20:05 GMT
My thoughts. No vaccine, we take your finger prints, deport you, you will never be allowed to come back, you will never have legal entry, no hope of citizenship, ever. Hardball? Yup! What if they change their minds about the vaccine?
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