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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 2:39:31 GMT
The LDS church continues to grapple w/LGBTQ issues. Whipsawing back and forth between excommunicating them as apostates, to welcoming all "in love" to making sure they know they're not allowed to live full lives w/in the church. One of their leaders recently spoke to BYU faculty and staff w/some choice words: "Latter-day Saint apostle Jeffrey R. Holland addressed Brigham Young University faculty and staff this week, urging them to be committed to the school’s “unique mission” and the church that sponsors it. He made headlines for criticizing faculty members who challenge teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, including its stance on same-sex marriage. The popular apostle even questioned why a BYU valedictorian would choose his 2019 commencement address to come out as gay. If maintaining the faith’s policies on LGBTQ issues ends up costing the school some “professional associations and certifications,” Holland said, “then so be it.”" www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/08/25/mormon-land-how-jeffrey/"Holland said. University faculty and staff should take up their intellectual “muskets” to defend the Mormon Church, especially “the doctrine of the family and...marriage as the union of a man and a woman.”" www.advocate.com/news/2021/8/24/mormon-apostle-take-muskets-against-lgbtq-equalityMatty, the BYU grad who came out in their 2019 speech, responds... Even some prominent LDS influencers are pushing back on IG. http://instagram.com/p/CTAii7Yl-Rl I pity the LDS church and others that have to keep professing the old "Love the sinner, hate the sin" canard. When you LOVE someone, you want them to be at peace, to be whole, to be alive. You don't want them to live a life of forced celibacy, of lies, of hiding, of shame, or of suicidal thoughts. The faux-gressive LDS moms are stuck in the middle - we've been talking about a couple on the GS side of the board. When you have someone in your family who is in pain, all of a sudden the "love the sinner, hate the sin" stuff starts to reveal its shortcomings. So, do you stand with your child/ren or stand w/the old white guys who can't get out of the middle ages? I'm glad I don't need to make that choice. I predict the LDS church will eventually drop their LGBTQ pretenses and someday allow LGBTQ LDS people to live full lives of love w/in the church. Just as they dropped their opposition to blacks in the priesthood when that became untenable. |
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Post by stittsygirl on Aug 26, 2021 3:04:09 GMT
I made that choice. I stood by my kids 100%. Getting them out of Mormonism is STILL the best thing I’ve ever done for them. There are too many families that choose the cult (whichever cult it might be) over the child though  . Holland is an ass. He was in our area presidency when I was a Mormon missionary in Sweden, nearly thirty years ago. I had to listen to his bluster up close and personal a few times. He always made us missionaries feel like the worst. There is nothing loving or compassionate or Christ-like about him. I see he hasn’t lost his touch. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 13:31:44 GMT
And here we go... "Natalie Cline, an outspoken conservative member of the state school board, could face official censure in her position after posting a message that was critical of LGBTQ students at a Utah high school — which also led some to threaten violence. Cline shared a photo on her Facebook page this week with a picture of a Pride flag in a seminary building [oh noes!], where students who belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints can take classes during the school day. Most high schools in the state offer the faith-connected study program. In her post, Cline shows a welcome sign at the seminary at Layton High School. It reads: “If you are LGBTQIA+ welcome to seminary!” Cline identified the school by name and wrote, “Time to make some phone calls. The world is too much with us.” The elected member of the Utah State Board of Education, who represents the southwestern part of Salt Lake County and a segment of Utah County, has previously stated her disapproval for any signs of acceptance of LGBTQ individuals in public schools. Her latest message, though, sparked a new fire this time, coming shortly after an apostle for the LDS Church criticized members of the faith — particularly those at the church-sponsored Brigham Young University — who push back against the teachings on same-sex marriage. In a speech that has created its own stir, the apostle urged faculty and staff to take up their intellectual “muskets” to defend the church, especially “the doctrine of the family and ... marriage as the union of a man and a woman.”
Cline’s post echoes that call, calling out the seminary Pride flag, and caught the attention of some members of the faith who are part of the alt-right #DezNat movement within the church, who picked up her message. One person shared a screenshot of Cline’s post with the comment: “Time to get out our muskets.”" www.sltrib.com/news/education/2021/08/25/utah-school-board-member/ |
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Post by RosieKat on Aug 27, 2021 2:38:03 GMT
When you have someone in your family who is in pain, all of a sudden the "love the sinner, hate the sin" stuff starts to reveal its shortcomings. So, do you stand with your child/ren or stand w/the old white guys who can't get out of the middle ages? Catholic here, not LDS. But yeah. I chose the kids. |
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Post by peabay on Aug 27, 2021 12:57:48 GMT
When you have someone in your family who is in pain, all of a sudden the "love the sinner, hate the sin" stuff starts to reveal its shortcomings. So, do you stand with your child/ren or stand w/the old white guys who can't get out of the middle ages? Catholic here, not LDS. But yeah. I chose the kids. Ditto. Not kids, but husband's siblings. |
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Post by circusjohnson on Aug 27, 2021 13:19:04 GMT
Natalie Cline is a disgusting human. I fail to see how welcoming LGBTQ+ kids that are LDS to seminary is wrong. She is being censured by the USBE but that is pretty useless since there is no way to recall her due to Utah's laws.
I was also very disappointed with Elder Hollands talk to BYU faculty and his call out of Matty Easton. There is a growing movement within the LDS church to embrace and love and advocate for the LGBTQ+ community. I hope his talk does not hinder that movement, but I suspect that was part of his purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 14:26:09 GMT
There is a growing movement within the LDS church to embrace and love and advocate for the LGBTQ+ community. I hope his talk does not hinder that movement, but I suspect that was part of his purpose. I think so too. The old (white, male, hetero, cis) movements are dying. And their death throes will be ugly. They will not go w/o a fight. Even if those fights further fracture the LDS church, the Catholics, the evangelicals, etc. They will go down screaming and clawing at their need to "love the sinner, hate the sin" - i.e., deny full rights and privileges to the LGBTQ - even though broader society is moving away from that legacy as fast and best as it can. |
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Post by RosieKat on Aug 30, 2021 2:10:29 GMT
I do feel badly for people like my (bisexual) daughter's dear LDS friend. DD waited for a good while before sharing with her friend that she is bi, but finally felt she had to tell her because she was keeping a major secret from her. And her friend was adamant that she didn't care, and still loves DD like always...but not to let her (friend's) parents know because they love my DD and they probably wouldn't feel the same way. My DD gets that completely, but hates that her friend now has that secret to keep. Granted, I don't think they typically have dinner table discussions about people's sexuality, but still...
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 30, 2021 2:53:40 GMT
I predict the LDS church will eventually drop their LGBTQ pretenses and someday allow LGBTQ LDS people to live full lives of love w/in the church. Just as they dropped their opposition to blacks in the priesthood when that became untenable. Maybe someday, but given so many churches have similar anti LGBTQ positions I don't think it will be soon. But the OP explains why all my LDS friends were posting LGBTQ ally memes in the last week.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2021 16:26:06 GMT
"Despite the fact that Mormons are some of the nicest people on Earth, the LDS Church is one of the most homophobic, stigmatizing, anti-LGBTQ organizations on the globe. In parts of the United States where Mormons are socially dominant, queer people lead hard lives. Youth suicide in LDS-dominated Utah is far more prevalent than in the rest of the U.S. LGBTQ advocates say rejection of queer youth explains the sky-high rate, which is often described as epidemic. I am not broken. I am loved and important in the plan of our creator. — Matt Easton, gay Mormon
Growing up in a Mormon family and discovering you are lesbian, gay, or transgender often ends in estrangement or isolation. LGBTQ people who live in places where the Church is dominant suffer significant loss of social and professional opportunity.As an LGBTQ advocate myself, I have often corresponded with queer Mormon youth asking for help coping with despair. I’ll never forget the teenage girl who wrote to me that since her family discovered she’s a lesbian, she spends her evenings crying alone in her room, excluded from ice skating and other events with her Church friends. I’ll never forget how she wrote to me that she needs people to be good instead of nice. Her point of view greatly flavors my secret vice, by the way."medium.com/prismnpen/mormon-homophobia-clashes-with-love-at-byu-4165a3df4844 |
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Post by needmysanity on Aug 31, 2021 16:50:59 GMT
I grew up in the LDS church and left when I was 28 years old for a number of reasons. Even 20 years ago, their stance on LGBTQ community made me think twice about being a part of the church. My heart breaks for youth in the church who are LGBTQ. I have a niece who I know identifies as bi but won't come out because of her parents and her fear what the church will do. I have another niece (so her cousin) who has been posting on FB about supporting Hollands stance and I just can't deal with her. The church is a brain washing cult. My siblings are some of the smartest people I know but when it comes to their church involvement they are blind - I hate it and I hate how the church destroys people.
I don't think the church will back down from this. I would hope they would some day but I don't think they will.
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Post by julie5 on Aug 31, 2021 17:05:36 GMT
I made that choice. I stood by my kids 100%. Getting them out of Mormonism is STILL the best thing I’ve ever done for them. There are too many families that choose the cult (whichever cult it might be) over the child though . Holland is an ass. He was in our area presidency when I was a Mormon missionary in Sweden, nearly thirty years ago. I had to listen to his bluster up close and personal a few times. He always made us missionaries feel like the worst. There is nothing loving or compassionate or Christ-like about him. I see he hasn’t lost his touch. I’m not a Mormon, I’m a converted Lutheran. But a Christian all my life. I kept mum for about the first year or so of my child’s coming out in fear that I would lose family members. But those family members had no issue offending me and my community so I made my stand those people deleted and blocked me on Facebook. I’m not even a little bit sorry. Well, maybe that I didn’t stand stronger sooner. I’m still grappling with my own feelings of formal church. Because I look around me and question so much of the Bible. That a bunch of random dudes held all the answers to dictate for all of time. Fvck, the lgbtqia community has changed and evolved so much in just the last 30 years. So many new terms come about to describe different of the gender spectrum. We have an autism spectrum, but not a gender spectrum? Fvck that. So how is this text that is at least 2000 years old supposed to be relevant in today’s time? These people didn’t gave science. They didn’t have wheels. They didn’t have so many critical pieces of information. But I’m to apply the teachings of Christ to my everyday life. I truly believe in my soul that Christ’s ultimate take away was to just be a good person. And that’s what I teach my son. And that’s what I teach my husband who was raised in a devout Lutheran home. There’s nothing to “understand”, you don’t need to “get it”. It just is. Just like that Bible people thump around. I’m supposed to take that and believe it no questions asked? Well you can believe in my kid no questions asked. He doesn’t need to explain his body to anyone. He chooses to out of decency, but the lgbtqia community owes us nothing. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2021 21:15:56 GMT
Lete's see what the BYU Honor Code does w/this... "To BYU’s meager credit, this week it announced a new office to fight discrimination and bigotry, the Office of Belonging. Its mission also includes anti-LGBTQ discrimination. This incident could well be one of its first cases." "After numerous people re-posted the video of Murray’s homophobic actions, he was quickly identified by web sleuths who recognized his photos on LinkedIn and Facebook. He has since deactivated both accounts. His LinkedIn account described himself as a “nice guy” as well as a junior studying business administration and management at BYU. BYU issued a response after numerous people notified the school about his actions. “We unequivocally condemn behavior and language that is disrespectful and hurtful. There is no place for hateful speech, or prejudice of any kind, on our campus or in our community,” BYU wrote on Twitter. “The Honor Code explicitly states that each member of the BYU community has the obligation to respect others. The incident seen in a video circulating on social media is now under review.”" www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/08/byu-student-destroys-lgbtq-mural-proudly-proclaiming-fs-go-hell/ |
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