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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 4:18:27 GMT
This is the six-point plan advanced by Trump lawyer John Eastman for VP Pence to overturn the election on January 6th.
So here’s the scenario we propose:
1.VP Pence, presiding over the joint session (or Senate Pro TemporeGrassley, if Pence recuses himself), begins to open and count the ballots, starting with Alabama (without conceding that the procedure, specified by the Electoral Count Act, of going through the States alphabetically is required).
2.When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors, and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States.This would be the first break with the procedure set out in the Act.
3.At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of “electors appointed” –the language of the 12th Amendment--is 454.This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe(here). A “majority of the electors appointed” would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.
4.Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe’s prior position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote. . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well.
5.One last piece. Assuming the Electoral Count Act process is followed and, upon getting the objections to the Arizona slates, the two houses break into their separate chambers, we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on debate to control. That would mean that a prior legislature was determining the rules of the present one—a constitutional no-no(as Tribe has forcefully argued). So someone –Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. –should demand normal rules (which includes the filibuster). That creates a stalemate that would give the state legislatures more time to weigh in to formally support the alternate slate of electors, if they had not already done so.
6.The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission –either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court. Let the other side challenge his actions in court, where Tribe (who in 2001 conceded the President of the Senate might be in charge of counting the votes) and others who would press a lawsuit would have their past position --that these are non-justiciable political questions –thrown back at them, to get the lawsuit dismissed. The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind
Read it and weep. To them, law is just a game, democracy is a joke. Power is the only thing they care about.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 21, 2021 10:38:47 GMT
Republicans are liars and cheaters.
Just more proof.
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Post by maryannscraps on Sept 21, 2021 10:59:59 GMT
Straight up coup attempt. They should all be jailed as traitors.
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Post by gsquaredmom on Sept 21, 2021 11:18:30 GMT
Straight up coup attempt. They should all be jailed as traitors. Do we still shoot people for treason?
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Post by hop2 on Sept 21, 2021 11:26:04 GMT
Straight up coup attempt. They should all be jailed as traitors. I’ve been saying that since 1/6
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 21, 2021 11:59:24 GMT
Terrifying. And I think that the GOP candidate(whoever it is), aided by state legislatures, might very well try to steal the next election. We must turn out like never before. This guy has some ideas about how to prevent that. But the filibuster will have to be modified or eliminated.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 21, 2021 12:08:01 GMT
Eastman was the man that appeared/spoke at the "stop the steal" rally on the Ellipse on Jan 6th just before the insurrection. I think he had a tan/brown wide brimmed hat(not a cowboy hat) and a possible long tan coat ..
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 21, 2021 20:42:52 GMT
Just on MSNBC: NYT: Dominion lawsuit against Giuliani, Powell, Lindell..
Court filings shows former's campaign knew claims of election fraud were lies... This bolsters Dominions lawsuit.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 21, 2021 21:19:50 GMT
all i keep thinking when i read stuff like this is--if Trump tried and keeps trying to cheat and overturn a Presidential election participated by 150 million voters and certified across the country, what kind of cheating do you think he did/does in his private and business life? ?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 21, 2021 22:17:01 GMT
Besides the fact he finds ways not to pay contractors who work on his properties.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 21, 2021 22:43:08 GMT
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Post by pinklady on Sept 21, 2021 22:58:23 GMT
Don’t ever forget, when the republicans have the majority in both the house and senate in an election year, they will steal the presidency. They’ve made their intentions crystal clear.
This 245 year experiment is over.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 21, 2021 23:17:34 GMT
Total loons......is there something out there that says lawyers should not lie.... The only problem is, Loeffler's aide was not "suddenly blown up in his car." Harrison Deal, the aide in question, "died in a three-vehicle crash on I-16" The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported at the time. www.rawstory.com/harrison-deal-murdered-conspiracy-theory/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 1:38:47 GMT
Don’t ever forget, when the republicans have the majority in both the house and senate in an election year, they will steal the presidency. They’ve made their intentions crystal clear. This 245 year experiment is over. I don't think people have any idea how 'over' it truly is.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 22, 2021 3:34:42 GMT
all i keep thinking when i read stuff like this is--if Trump tried and keeps trying to cheat and overturn a Presidential election participated by 150 million voters and certified across the country, what kind of cheating do you think he did/does in his private and business life? ? He cheats at golf, he most likely cheats on his taxes, there are rumors he cheated on his SATs (paid someone else to take them) and he definitely cheated on his wives, even publicly in the case of his first wife. There's probably worse, but everyone around him signs non disclosure agreements.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 22, 2021 3:43:31 GMT
We KNOW he cheated on Melania with Stormy Daniels when Barron was an infant!! aj2hall
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 22, 2021 10:29:11 GMT
Don’t ever forget, when the republicans have the majority in both the house and senate in an election year, they will steal the presidency. They’ve made their intentions crystal clear. This 245 year experiment is over. And then they’ll pass laws that prevent a Democrat from ever being President again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 12:27:49 GMT
More at CNN: "The authors write that on January 2, Giuliani briefed Graham at the White House. Giuliani presented a statistical analysis arguing Biden's win was impossible, but Graham dismissed Giuliani's evidence as too abstract. "Give me some names. You need to put it in writing. You need to show me the evidence," Graham said, according to the book. Giuliani then sent Graham several memos and affidavits claiming fraud. But when Graham's chief Judiciary Committee counsel Lee Holmes went over the claims, he found they were sloppy, overbearing and "added up to nothing," Woodward and Costa write. "Holmes reported to Graham that the data in the memos were a concoction, with a bullying tone and eighth grade writing." "Third grade," Graham responded, according to the book. "I can get an affidavit tomorrow saying the world is flat." " www.cnn.com/2021/09/20/politics/trump-pence-election-memo/index.html
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 12:30:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 12:33:19 GMT
Right-wing media's role in amp'ing the voices of crazy. "After the news broke that this memo existed, CNN posted the full text online. It further underscores the argument that schemes like this one illustrate the need for reforming how Congress counts the electoral college votes, lest something like this succeed in the future. Now Matthew Gertz of Media Matters has examined how right wing media helped elevate Eastman in the runup to Jan. 6. It’s unsettling stuff, and suggests another dimension to the problem: The seeming devotion of right wing media propagandists to helping Trump and his supporters weaken democracy by validating sham legal arguments." Election law expert Richard L. Hasen describes such arguments as having the potential to produce a “respectable bloodless coup.” In this case, right wing media played a key role in laundering such arguments. As Gertz chronicles, Eastman made numerous Fox News appearances to promote the legal theories underlying that absurd lawsuit by Texas that sought to invalidate millions of votes for President Biden in four swing states he won. In those appearances, Eastman suggested the Supreme Court would see great merit in Texas’ lawsuit. Soon after, of course, the high court curtly dismissed it, which Trump then attacked as a “legal disgrace, an embarrassment to the U.S.A.!” www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/21/eastman-memo-right-wing-media/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2021 21:21:22 GMT
They keep revealing more of their plot.
This isn't over. As I said on 1/7.
They will try again and again. It's what tyrants and authoritarians do.
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 30, 2021 15:38:46 GMT
From the Washington Post. IMO it’s not just the media that was blasé about the memo but judging by the responses on this thread the public wasn’t much interested either.
I wonder what it will take before people start to actually care what is happening outside their own little world. When it’s too late?
“A Trump lawyer wrote an instruction manual for a coup. Why haven’t you seen it on the news?”
By Margaret Sullivan Media columnist Today at 5:00 a.m. EDT
In a normal world, the “Eastman memo” would be infamous by now, the way “Access Hollywood” became the popular shorthand in 2016 for the damning recording of Donald Trump’s bragging about groping women.
But it’s a good bet that most people have never even heard of the Eastman memo.
That says something troubling about how blasé the mainstream press has become about the attempted coup in the aftermath of the 2020 election — and how easily a coup could succeed next time.
The memo, unearthed in Bob Woodward and Robert Costa’s new book, is a stunner. Written by Trump legal adviser John Eastman — a serious Establishment Type with Federalist Society cred and a law school deanship under his belt — it offered Mike Pence, then in his final days as vice president, a detailed plan to declare the 2020 election invalid and give the presidency to Trump.
In other words, how to run a coup in six easy steps.
Pretty huge stuff, right? You’d think so, but the mainstream press has largely looked the other way. Immediately after the memo was revealed, according to a study by left-leaning Media Matters for America, there was no on-air news coverage — literally zero on the three major broadcast networks: ABC, NBC and CBS. Not on the evening newscasts watched by more than 20 million Americans, far greater than the audience for cable news. Not on the morning shows the next day. And when Sunday rolled around, NBC’s “Meet the Press” was the only broadcast network show that bothered to mention it. (Some late-night hosts did manage to play it for laughs.)
Was the attack on the U.S. Capitol an attempted coup?
The Washington Post reviewed the memo that was obtained for the Woodward-Costa book and wrote about it in a broader news story about the book’s revelations and in a news analysis. CNN got a copy, too, and more than most, gave it its due.
But largely, it fell upon a handful of opinion writers to provide the appropriate outrage.
“The Horrifying Legal Blueprint for Trump’s War on Democracy” read the headline on Jonathan Chait’s piece in New York magazine’s Intelligencer section. And in the New York Times, columnist Jamelle Bouie took it on with “Trump Had a Mob. He Also Had a Plan.” The Post’s Greg Sargent hammered away at it. Some national newspapers paid attention, but not much. USA Today with a story; the New York Times with a few paragraphs dropped deep into a sweeping news analysis.
For the most part, the memo slipped past the public — just another piece of flotsam from the wreckage of American society, drifting by unnoticed.
Why wasn’t the Eastman memo treated as what it is: a flashing red alert, signaling that Trump’s allies were (and almost certainly still are) plotting the end of free and fair elections in America?
Here’s one theory: “Trump and his ilk have flooded the zone with so many attacks on democracy that it’s paradoxically become less likely for journalists to focus on any specific case,” said Matthew Gertz, senior fellow at Media Matters.
But the former and current network executives I spoke with offered a different view — and largely agreed with decisions to downplay the memo.
For Tom Bettag, the document landed in his “shocked but not surprised” category. A former executive producer for “CBS Evening News” with stints at three other networks who now teaches at the University of Maryland, Bettag saw the story as merely “an unknown lawyer, who says he’s on the Trump legal team and had said Kamala Harris was not a citizen, wrote a crazy memo.”
He echoed the view of one network representative who told me: “After all, it didn’t happen.” In Bettag’s words: “There’s no indication that Pence considered it seriously.”
Others pointed out that there’s so much other news to cover these days: the brewing government shutdown, the aftermath of the Afghanistan troop withdrawal, and of course, the audience-riveting case of Gabby Petito, the 22-year-old woman whose remains were found in Wyoming last week.
You’d think, though, that a few seconds of precious airtime might be given to something as startling as the Eastman memo. In numbered steps subtitled the “January 6 scenario,” it outlined how Pence, charged by the Constitution with counting electoral ballots from the 2020 election on that day, could have simply ignored results from seven states that tipped the presidency to Biden. Pence would effectively throw away millions of votes from Arizona, Pennsylvania and any other state where fraudulent groups of “shadow electors” had challenged Biden’s victory based on no valid legal principle whatsoever.
“The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission — either from a vote of the joint session [of Congress] or from the Court,” Eastman wrote.
The Post’s Philip Bump summarized Eastman’s endgame: “Predicting ‘howls’ from Democrats, Pence says, fine, let the House decide, as is procedure when there’s a tie in the electoral college. In that case, each state gets one vote and, given that Republicans controlled 26 states, Trump wins again.”
One way or the other, a no-lose proposition for Trump.
“Scary,” observed John King on CNN.
Yes, it’s downright bone-chilling to think that this lawyer and legal scholar who was enough of an insider to have a speaking role at Trump’s “Stop the Steal” rally on Jan. 6, had gamed it out like this. (After protests by his colleagues at California’s Chapman University, where he once was the law school dean, Eastman retired.)
But the news coverage wasn’t nearly widespread or prominent enough to make “the Eastman memo” a household name or to strike that legitimate fear into the hearts of citizens. To raise that red alert.
It’s telling that we’ve become so inured to Trump’s flagrant disregard for the will of the electorate. As Robert Kagan wrote last week in a grim opinion piece that did seem to break through the noise, a Trump-fueled constitutional crisis is already upon us, although the warning signs “may be obscured by the distractions of politics, the pandemic, the economy and global crises, and by wishful thinking and denial.”
And still, some dismiss Eastman’s plan as not newsworthy. “After all, it didn’t happen.”
Well, no, it didn’t. But a riot at the Capitol did — on the same day, fueled by the same autocratic lust.
Eastman’s coup hasn’t happened yet. But given the media’s shrug-off, maybe all we have to do is wait.”
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 3:35:33 GMT
"No lawyers did more than John Eastman and Jeffrey Bossert Clark to try to hand Trump an unearned second term. Eastman developed and promoted the theory that Vice President Mike Pence could reject Joe Biden’s victory, then endorsed it at the Jan. 6 rally that fomented the insurrection. Clark urged his Justice Department superiors to pressure several legislatures into awarding their electoral votes to Trump even though Biden carried their states. Both men remain practicing attorneys. Now, however, their ability to practice law is under threat. On Monday, a bipartisan group of lawyers, including two former federal judges, asked the California bar to investigate Eastman. One day later, a different bipartisan group of lawyers, including two top-ranking Justice Department officials under George H.W. Bush, asked the D.C. Court of Appeals’ disciplinary panel to investigate Clark. These requests could lead to the revocation of Eastman’s and Clark’s license to practice law, a critical first step toward stigmatizing the malignant theories both men pushed for months. Given that the conservative legal movement has refused to criticize their work as out of bounds, the complaints also provide a new opportunity for the mainstream legal establishment to confirm that a lawyer who tries to overthrow an election has proved himself unfit to practice law. Both letters are supported by a remarkable roster of heavyweights. The Eastman letter was signed by retired judges on the state and federal level, state attorneys general, U.S. attorneys, and governors. It highlights Eastman’s key role in the development of the theory that Pence could toss out Biden’s victory on Jan. 6 when counting electoral votes. In two memos, Eastman laid out a putative pathway for Pence to unilaterally reject Biden electors from seven states, effectively disenfranchising tens of millions of Americans. He championed this idea at Jan. 6’s “Stop the Steal” rally onstage with Rudy Giuliani (whose law license was later suspended). And he spread baseless conspiracy theories all the while, insisting that Trump lost due to widespread fraud of which there was no evidence. (On Jan. 6, he claimed that Democratic operatives hid Biden votes in a “secret folder” within voting machines.) Eastman also filed a brief on Trump’s behalf asking the Supreme Court to overturn the election by nullifying millions of valid votes." slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/10/john-eastment-jeffrey-clark-coup-consequences.htmlJust once I'd like to see some of these powerful people face some consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 15:10:01 GMT
Who is former DOJ official Jeffrey Clark and how did he work to overturn a valid election in the United States as a DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE official!?!?! "...It’s in Clark’s best interest — and the country’s — to tell the committee how he became a devotee to the conspiracies that Trump seeded. The path he took from bureaucrat to would-be coup enabler is one that’s vital to study, if for no other reason than to bar any future travelers from wandering down it.... By the end of the month, Clark was trying to persuade Rosen to send a letter urging Georgia’s Legislature to consider overturning Joe Biden’s victory in the state. The draft letter, which ABC News published in August, suggested that a special session of the Legislature should convene because of the (Trump-initiated and unsubstantiated) claims of fraud and that legislators should throw their support behind electors supporting Trump, not Biden. Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi, D-Ill., told MSNBC that Clark had drafted similar documents for six states whose altered results would have given Trump another term in the White House. If only a handful of legislatures had acted as the letters insisted was fully legal, Trump would have stolen the election — all thanks to Jeffrey Clark.... According to a recently released Senate Judiciary Committee report, Clark also pushed Rosen and Donoghue to get a briefing from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. That briefing, he explained in an email, would potentially give Trump the cover to declare that China had hacked voting machines during the election — a conspiracy that Clark never offered evidence to back up.Something compelled Clark to shift from a typical run-of-the-mill government lawyer to the kind of person who not only buys Trump’s crackpot theories but also actively searches for ways to turn them into reality. I want to know what that something was — and how to keep anyone similar far, far from the seat of power." www.msnbc.com/opinion/doj-official-jeffrey-clark-pushed-trump-s-coup-inside-we-n1281618
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 15, 2021 17:42:27 GMT
Greed, power to be AG under former
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 15, 2021 17:43:01 GMT
Recommended by PA rep perry for job
Re member PA STATE rep mastropetro(?) Hired buss for Jan6th
They were all nobodies who are now 'famous'
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 12:33:29 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 25, 2021 13:49:07 GMT
He's nutz!!
Sure she tore up her copy of the speech, there were plenty more!!
ETA: Clark is schedule to appear this week at Select Committee hearing. Initially it was stated Friday, but it is 'open'
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