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Post by SockMonkey on Oct 31, 2021 14:43:02 GMT
I think it's important to note that many of these challenges are about shielding white cisgender children from the realities of our society and our history. Children of color, children who are not cisgender, children who live in poverty live these realities every day; they don't get to be shielded from issues of racism, classism, xenophobia, and bigotry.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 15:03:18 GMT
I think it's important to note that many of these challenges are about shielding white cisgender children from the realities of our society and our history. Children of color, children who are not cisgender, children who live in poverty live these realities every day; they don't get to be shielded from issues of racism, classism, xenophobia, and bigotry. Exactly. As I posted in Dr. Franks' testimony some GOP Sens are worrying about "discomfort" while some of our children are living in actual "violence." If it's "discomfort" about REAL HISTORY, LIVE IN IT! LEARN FROM IT! And stop comparing it to the REAL harm that comes to non-white cis hetero kids EVERY DAY from the right-wing "God is on our side and God told us he doesn't like xxxx" crowd. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 31, 2021 16:01:37 GMT
A sort of related topic . White blonde woman missing in CA.. (I forget the town) getting national news coverage.
Not that she shouldn't get the coverage, ALL missing should regardless of color!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 31, 2021 16:21:54 GMT
The GOP, here to ensure the kids are just as ignorant as their mommies and daddies were (and are). Ding ding ding we have a winner!! Education and knowledge is power, and republicans want to keep any education that doesn’t conform to their ideals away from children, indoctrination at its finest! No free thinkers here! Just confirmation bias cultists and sheep! Just a bunch of homophobic, racist, xenophobic zealots making laws to suppress, keep others down, eradicate people. Republicans that follow these idiots are the true sheep following pure bullshit right into authoritarianism, totalitarianism and only these types of men in control. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 31, 2021 16:26:22 GMT
Isn't book banning the epitome of "cancel culture" they're all bitching about. Oh wait, I forgot. If they're doing the cancelling it's righteous. Yep. 1# thing with republicans…we can do whatever we want. But if any other group does it and republicans disapprove (even if republicans did it, are doing it, or will be doing it) it’s wrong or bad. Republicans are poison. |
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Post by birukitty on Oct 31, 2021 20:03:01 GMT
I am a school librarian. This is happening across the country. I read the list of books. I would love to know who put the list together because I'm sure it wasn't this legislature. I'm sure he hasn't read any of the books on the list. A good portion are LGBTQ+ books. And so many left me shaking my head in disbelief because for the life of me I can't figure out why you would be against kids reading it. It's ok to be uncomfortable to recognize other peoples pain and then be moved to work on not being racist. Books build empathy. They are powerful change makers. Who benefits when our young people don't have empathy for people who are not like them? Those that have the power and want to keep the power. When you take out all that makes us feel or question you get a Curriculum or irrelevancy. The link is a blog post by author, educator and college professor Kyleen Beers! It is definitely worth a read I just read the link you provided and loved what it had to say! I agree with everything you wrote. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 31, 2021 22:17:06 GMT
I find it ironic that the party that calls liberals snowflakes now wants their own children protected from feeling guilty.
The Kylene Beers post has a lot of great thoughts. I completely agree that the really good books are the ones that make you feel and make you think.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 1, 2021 3:55:37 GMT
It is now out in real words! 'We are at the book-banning stage of authoritarianism': Mehdi Hasan sheds light on new GOP censorship campaignsBrad Reed October 31,2021 MSNBC host Mehdi Hasan on Sunday devoted a lengthy segment to showing how Republicans' efforts to end the purported teaching of critical race theory in schools are leading them to enact the kind of censorship they claim to oppose. "I'm here to report that we are at the book-banning stage of American authoritarianism," Hasan said at the start of his monologue, and then went on to highlight the efforts being made by Republican Texas State Rep. Matt Krause, who last week launched an investigation into schools teaching books that may "make students feel discomfort" about issues such as racism and sexism. "It's shameful, it's shocking," he said. "And what else is shocking is that Rep. Krause is refusing to provide any specifics about his probe, claiming that it would 'compromise the integrity' of any potential investigation."Hasan then highlighted how three Florida academics who work at a state university have been barred by the state from testifying as expert witnesses in a voting rights lawsuit.He also showed how Virginia GOP gubernatorial candidate Glenn Youngkin featured an ad with a conservative activist who had petitioned to get her son's high school to take Toni Morrison's classic novel "Beloved" out of the curriculum. www.rawstory.com/mehdi-hasan-gop-fascism/ |
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Post by Jili on Nov 1, 2021 4:58:23 GMT
I am a school librarian. This is happening across the country. I read the list of books. I would love to know who put the list together because I'm sure it wasn't this legislature. I'm sure he hasn't read any of the books on the list. A good portion are LGBTQ+ books. And so many left me shaking my head in disbelief because for the life of me I can't figure out why you would be against kids reading it. It's ok to be uncomfortable to recognize other peoples pain and then be moved to work on not being racist. Books build empathy. They are powerful change makers. Who benefits when our young people don't have empathy for people who are not like them? Those that have the power and want to keep the power. When you take out all that makes us feel or question you get a Curriculum or irrelevancy. The link is a blog post by author, educator and college professor Kyleen Beers! It is definitely worth a read Thank you for sharing this blog post. It was a great read. I just ordered that book. I need to experience it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 13:55:26 GMT
"WICHITA, Kansas — The Goddard school district has removed more than two dozen books from circulation in the district’s school libraries, citing national attention and challenges to the books elsewhere.
The list of books includes several well-known novels, including “The Handmaid’s Tale” by Margaret Atwood, “The Bluest Eye” by Toni Morrison, “The Hate U Give” by Angie Thomas and “The Perks of Being a Wallflower” by Stephen Chbosky.
It also includes “Fences,” a play by August Wilson that won the Pulitzer Prize for Drama in 1987, and “They Called Themselves the K.K.K.,” a historical look at how the white supremacist group took root in America.""
So it continues. White people protecting their feelings/beliefs over the needs of anyone/anything else.
These moronic thinkers don't realize that kids see and experience REAL LIFE every day - that includes *gasp* swearing, seeing sex, seeing violence (at least in movies, tv, sm, etc), not to mention the realities of some kids' sexual and gender issues.
So, is it best to "shield" them from those realities in books? Or better to read about them, talk about them, and LEARN.
Oh, right. The former. Head-in-sand, fingers-in-ears, "BELIEVING" that w/o these books, these discussions, the kids will be "shielded" from unpleasantness.
Moronic thinking at its finest.
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Post by hookturnian on Nov 12, 2021 14:32:14 GMT
Children can and should be taught about their country's dark past. South African children learn about the Dutch enslaving people (mostly political prisoners) in their East Indies colonies and transporting them to Cape Town. Descendants of these slaves still live in South Africa and are a large part of the population. They are taught about colonialism and the wars against the people whose lands were being colonised. Children also learn about apartheid, which only ended in 1994, so in their parents' lifetimes. This is all taught to primary school children, from about 9 or 10 years old.
South African children also start learning about sex and sexuality from about 11 years old. They learn about HIV and AIDS even earlier.
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Post by librarylady on Nov 12, 2021 19:33:58 GMT
Don't get me started on this.
Once again the leadership in Texas is an embarrassment.
Thinking back in history--Who wants books banned (and burned)? Not a group I want to guide my life nor our citizens.  |
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Post by mamapeaah on Nov 12, 2021 21:18:50 GMT
Ugh, they just don't want children to READ because it's literally the worst thing that could happen for them is to learn to empathize with others and think for themselves. Sounds like they need After School Satan |
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Post by hookturnian on Nov 12, 2021 23:47:04 GMT
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Post by RosieKat on Nov 13, 2021 4:45:16 GMT
My DD is a HS freshman here in Texas, and I was pleasantly surprised to discover yesterday that they are reading Maus right now in her English class, to be followed by Elie Wiesel's Night. She is just in regular, on level English I, which made it an extra good surprise IMO. Before starting their poetry unit, they read Bronx Masquerade. I'm glad that in the frequent push to find more modern and relevant literature, they are finding quality ones.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 28, 2022 14:35:32 GMT
Rude awakening from southern youth to self informed adult....... This West Point professor used to idolize Robert E. Lee – then he learned the terrible truth about the cruel enslaverHistory News Network January 28, 2022 As a distinguished scholar of history, a decorated soldier, and a native of the South, Professor Seidule writes with rare authority about race, the Civil War, and the myths and lies about the war that he learned from an education presented through the lens of racism and Confederate mythology. He explains how his early beliefs were shaped by white supremacist ideology that demeaned and dehumanized Black citizens. These racist views imbued Southern culture and were widely shared throughout the country in textbooks, popular periodicals, and the media, with movies such as the award-winning Gone with the Wind and Disney’s Song of the South rife with degrading stereotypes of African Americans.*** In his candid and searing recent memoir, Robert E. Lee and Me: A Southerner’s Reckoning with the Myth of the Lost Cause (St. Martin’s Press), retired US Army general and renowned professor of history Ty Seidule recounts his odyssey from youthful hero worship of Confederate General Robert E. Lee and an indoctrination in racist myths of the Lost Cause to acclaim as a historian devoted to challenging the poisonous white supremacist lies about slavery, the Civil War, African American inferiority, Jim Crow segregation, and the deified Lee. As a distinguished scholar of history, a decorated soldier, and a native of the South, Professor Seidule writes with rare authority about race, the Civil War, and the myths and lies about the war that he learned from an education presented through the lens of racism and Confederate mythology. He explains how his early beliefs were shaped by white supremacist ideology that demeaned and dehumanized Black citizens. These racist views imbued Southern culture and were widely shared throughout the country in textbooks, popular periodicals, and the media, with movies such as the award-winning Gone with the Wind and Disney’s Song of the South rife with degrading stereotypes of African Americans. And Professor Seidule vividly describes his path to understanding and his emergence as a leader for historical truth and for a reckoning on race. He demolishes the myths about the saintly Lee and, based on extensive research and overwhelming evidence, concludes that Lee was a traitor to his country who fought to preserve slavery. And, as Professor Seidule describes the military’s veneration of Confederate leaders in naming of bases and other actions, he rejects honoring of those who fought to preserve slavery and committed treason in the effort.He further details how he became a scholar of our deeply conflicted past, and how that study revealed the noxious, insidious influence of racist ideas that have poisoned white minds since the dawn of slavery. And he considers the timely and vexing issue of how otherwise seemingly admirable people could embrace the odious tenets of white supremacy and the oppression of others.www.rawstory.com/west-point-history-professor-obliterates-the-mythology-surrounding-robert-e-lee/Whole lot more in piece.... |
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Post by msladibug on Jan 28, 2022 15:53:02 GMT
Lets keep'em stoopid. If they don't know our history we can tell them anything.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 28, 2022 15:59:35 GMT
And this is the party that wants to run the country. Their legislatures already run quite a few states, which is why we have to talk about their ridiculous bills and executive orders.
And if you don’t vote next November, then what you are saying is that you are fine with it.🤷♀️
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Post by eventhinker on Jan 28, 2022 17:40:19 GMT
The Nazis burned books…are we going to sink down that low? I surely hope not.
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Post by lucyg on Jan 28, 2022 20:02:39 GMT
And this is the party that wants to run the country. Their legislatures already run quite a few states, which is why we have to talk about their ridiculous bills and executive orders. And if you don’t vote next November, then what you are saying is that you are fine with it.🤷♀️ And if you’re disappointed because Democrats have proven to be imperfect and/or impotent, just wait till you see what Republicans have in store for us. |
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 28, 2022 20:19:37 GMT
I think it's important to note that many of these challenges are about shielding white cisgender children from the realities of our society and our history. Children of color, children who are not cisgender, children who live in poverty live these realities every day; they don't get to be shielded from issues of racism, classism, xenophobia, and bigotry. Exactly. My kids know about the Holocaust because my husband lost half his family in the Holocaust. They go to Temple and they are educated about the Holocaust, and we have a specific holiday to remember it. THEY are not the kids being “shielded” when you ban Maus. |
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Post by flanz on Jan 28, 2022 20:55:09 GMT
The idea that factual, age appropriate history textbooks should be removed because what happened in history might make some people feel “uncomfortable” is ludicrous. THIS! The powers that be are well served by an ignorant populace. GRRR |
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Post by flanz on Jan 28, 2022 20:55:28 GMT
I think it's important to note that many of these challenges are about shielding white cisgender children from the realities of our society and our history. Children of color, children who are not cisgender, children who live in poverty live these realities every day; they don't get to be shielded from issues of racism, classism, xenophobia, and bigotry. So true~ |
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Post by Gem Girl on Jan 28, 2022 21:23:50 GMT
I'm a middle-aged adult, and I'm STILL uncomfortable finding out about injustices.
I call that discomfort a conscience.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 28, 2022 21:44:42 GMT
This could also go on the Tennessee thread.... The critics were right: 'Critical race theory' panic is just a cover for silencing educatorsAmanda Marcotte, Salon January 28, 2022 It turns out that liberal critics were right and conservatives were lying. "Critical race theory" was, in fact, just a scare term the right was using as cover for what is an all-out, nationwide war on teaching very basic lessons to kids about important historical events — including the civil rights movement and the Holocaust. A national scandal erupted this week when it was discovered that a Tennessee school board pulled the famous graphic novel "Maus," by Art Spiegelman, from their curriculum. The book is rightly regarded as a classic for its depiction not just of the brutalities of the Holocaust, but the lingering impacts on the survivors and their families. In response to the criticism, right-wing activist Christopher Rufo — who has bragged about inventing the use of "critical race theory" as a scare term for exactly this purpose — tried to deny that the book was being yanked for Holocaust denialism reasons. He insisted they just wanted a "better book" to teach. Rufo's dishonesty should be apparent to anyone who has read "Maus," as there really is no better book to teach. But reading the minutes of the meeting erases all doubt that the objections to the book were rooted in a belief that the truth of the Holocaust should remain hidden. One board member, Tony Allman, explicitly said educators "don't need to enable or somewhat promote this stuff," because it "shows people hanging, it shows them killing kids," and "it is not wise or healthy." Another member complained that the book showed a suicide caused by survivor's guilt, claiming it somehow undermined efforts to teach "ethics to our kids." Needless to say, "Maus" does not "promote" killing kids or suicide. Insofar as it "promotes" anything, it's an understanding of the dangers of fascism, and the inhumanity that racism breeds. And it's those truths that clearly rattled the school board members. That's what they don't want young people exposed to. The "Maus" scandal is just the tip of the iceberg, of course. In Florida, the legislature is pushing through a ban of history education that causes "discomfort," and despite claims to the contrary, there's simply no way to teach about the history of lynching or slavery or Jim Crow without said discomfort. As Kathryn Joyce reported for Salon, one of the most immediate results was a school district in central Florida canceling a training seminar for teachers on how to teach subjects such as the March on Washington, Brown v. Board of Education, and the Montgomery bus boycott. The behavior of Florida's Republican governor, Ron DeSantis, makes quite clear that the intent here is to make it too fraught for teachers to discuss any history of race in America at all. He's been pushing for a law that would allow parents to comb over school curricula and sue school districts if they find anything they don't like. That may sound "empowering" initially, but, as the fight over "Maus" demonstrates, the reality is that there are always people out there who simply don't think any unpleasant facts about history should be taught. And giving parents this level of veto power would mean erasing any history but the occasional lesson about George Washington and the cherry tree. (Which didn't actually happen.) www.rawstory.com/critical-race-theory-2656503570/Sorry it's long, hard to edit on a misbehaving phone.... Whole lot more at link!! |
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 28, 2022 22:22:13 GMT
That Salon article is right (although I will spare everyone reposting it). The idea of finding a “better Holocaust book”—they want an inspirational one, where someone survives because they are good, or a non-Jew saves a bunch of Jews, or someone who finds the beauty in it or whatever. You definitely don’t want kids finding out about the specific, horrible, systematic ways Jews and other groups Nazis despised were killed, or the lifetime emotional scars left on the minority of people who survived the camps, or the shadows cast over generations of their kids and grandkids. Just, they wore a yellow store for a bit, and then somewhere offscreen they died I guess.
I am sorry. We are in the process right now of obtaining Austrian citizenship for my husband and my kids. They are entitled to it because his grandmother fled Hitler. She fled Hitler because her mother, who was mentally ill and eventually died by suicide, insisted on leaving, and her husband chose going over divorce, thinking she was making a terrible decision, and telling the entire rest of the family to stay behind. Only one survived the camps. My #5 is named for one of the cousins. We’ve been to Vienna to see the apartment they fled. This is still a living part of so many families.
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Post by lucyg on Jan 28, 2022 23:49:32 GMT
That Salon article is right (although I will spare everyone reposting it). The idea of finding a “better Holocaust book”—they want an inspirational one, where someone survives because they are good, or a non-Jew saves a bunch of Jews, or someone who finds the beauty in it or whatever. You definitely don’t want kids finding out about the specific, horrible, systematic ways Jews and other groups Nazis despised were killed, or the lifetime emotional scars left on the minority of people who survived the camps, or the shadows cast over generations of their kids and grandkids. Just, they wore a yellow store for a bit, and then somewhere offscreen they died I guess. I am sorry. We are in the process right now of obtaining Austrian citizenship for my husband and my kids. They are entitled to it because his grandmother fled Hitler. She fled Hitler because her mother, who was mentally ill and eventually died by suicide, insisted on leaving, and her husband chose going over divorce, thinking she was making a terrible decision, and telling the entire rest of the family to stay behind. Only one survived the camps. My #5 is named for one of the cousins. We’ve been to Vienna to see the apartment they fled. This is still a living part of so many families. My stepmother was also from Austria. Her parents escaped with her in the late ’30s when she was just a toddler. She spent the war years in a British orphanage and then the family was reunited after the war and came to the U.S. Her mother’s father also escaped. All the rest of their very large families (hers Austrian, his Polish) died at Auschwitz. I didn’t know her father, but her mother lived to 105 and apparently was nutty her entire post-war life, not just as an old lady when I knew her. Before the war, she was an accomplished journalist and interpreter (she spoke a number of languages), and she was the one who insisted the family get out while they still could. Both my stepmother and her mother collected reparations payments from the Austrian government (or possibly the German? I don’t remember now for sure) until they died. Very small payments, but my stepmother said she didn’t care how small they were, she wanted those bastards to pay. The same people who don’t understand how the shadow of slavery and Jim Crow still hangs over people today also don’t understand the generational effects of the Holocaust. |
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Post by ntsf on Jan 29, 2022 2:56:30 GMT
I worked as a interpretive park ranger. I trained to talk about anything in "nature" but ended up working at NPS historical sites. I spent most days talking history to a wide range of people. most the time, there was no one way to teach the history..you needed to include many viewpoints. I mean, when you are on alcatraz, the history looks different if you are incarcerated, or a guard or a native american protester. it was so important that all of their stories were told.. my story as an interpreter was to inform, but also put the facts in context of the times, or what we know today.
so I was speaking about nuance day in and day out. it always surprised me the lack of historical knowledge. many couldn't tell you which century the civil war happened or how it could affect somewhere so distant as san francisco bay.
it is so important to follow modern ways of teaching history.. not how it was done 30 yrs ago with crappy textbooks... using original documents, acknowledging that there are different viewpoints, etc. to critically read and ask who is telling the story.
these people don't want nuance. they don't want to know that there is more than one truth when looking at the past. and there is no whitewashing an event like the holocaust and the genocides of our present day.
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 29, 2022 3:01:59 GMT
I absolutely will not shield them from it.
I'm currently teaching reading on the Japanese internment and the Holocaust. I lead the discussion and I am not shy about confronting or bringing up topics.
We talk about deniers and we even talked about the shirts some of those on Jan 6th were wearing.
Of course I've been pushing the boundaries just a bit all year. I live in a rural, conservative area and I'd say our district does okay with this.
I've taught my kids since they were young.
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