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Post by pixiechick on Nov 2, 2021 23:18:23 GMT
IDK what people will do or where their replacements will come from. I do think we're about to experience even worse shortages (and poor service) in all the services/industries mentioned. Merge posted this on another thread, and it reminded me of a few times lately when service was lacking and I had to remember that in a lot of cases there may be many new employees (think food industry) and not enough of them. In so many cases they'd want to receive a little grace because despite trying so hard sometimes you mess up, sometimes the cards are stacked against you. I know most of you do and would realize this, but sometimes just seeing it said stays in our minds when we're having a bad day and might otherwise forget that sometimes the service people are working with a disadvantage.
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Post by lucyg on Nov 3, 2021 0:06:41 GMT
Thank you. I cannot find a single thing there to disagree with.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 3, 2021 0:15:48 GMT
Agreed!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 0:29:30 GMT
Totally agree. Thank you for the reminder. My daughter just quit her restaurant job of three years because she has been treated so poorly by some members of the public. Thank goodness her boss is still keeping her on through the holidays but only for catering events.
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Post by SockMonkey on Nov 3, 2021 0:44:52 GMT
You can also take care of people who work in the service industry by voting for people who support policies and programs that acknowledge the income disparity experienced by service industry workers and strive to provide things like higher minimum wages/guaranteed basic income, paid leave, healthcare, and childcare.
Politeness is nice, but it doesn't pay the bills.
Be best!
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 3, 2021 7:44:36 GMT
Totally agree. Thank you for the reminder. My daughter just quit her restaurant job of three years because she has been treated so poorly by some members of the public. Thank goodness her boss is still keeping her on through the holidays but only for catering events. People like your daughter are who I had in mind when I posted this. It's terrible when people can't see beyond their own experience and treat service workers so badly. I hope she finds something really wonderful after the holidays.
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Post by J u l e e on Nov 3, 2021 8:14:18 GMT
Totally agree. Thank you for the reminder. My daughter just quit her restaurant job of three years because she has been treated so poorly by some members of the public. Thank goodness her boss is still keeping her on through the holidays but only for catering events. People like your daughter are who I had in mind when I posted this. It's terrible when people can't see beyond their own experience and treat service workers so badly. I hope she finds something really wonderful after the holidays. I would love if we could swap out “service workers” with “people” in the paragraph above. Add in the phrases “sometimes the cards are stacked against you” and “sometimes ‘people’ are working with a disadvantage” from the OP and just remember this for EVERYONE.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 10:59:27 GMT
Perhaps it would be better to not vote for disgusting people who encourage shitty treatment of others. By voting for trumpism, it teaches people that they can be rude and nasty to others that are "less than" them.
Being patient and polite goes a long way but unfortunately people are seeing that if they're loud, rude, crass, mean, they get their way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 11:33:02 GMT
I agree and we see so many new and often young employees at a lot of businesses around us, yet they are working their tails off! My DH is a good tipper and he has upped it even more though the pandemic, I notice. Last week we ordered pizza for carry-out, it was like $25 and he added a $10 tip. I was like, ya know you don't usually tip for carry-out (not that I cared that he did)? And he just said yeah, but they deserve it.
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Post by smartypants71 on Nov 3, 2021 13:10:06 GMT
I really appreciate this thread. My 20yo DS works in the restaurant industry and hasn't had a day off in 3 weeks, I think. His bday is this weekend, and they are giving him a hard time for wanting even that one day off. Even worse though is that some of his co-workers are not great workers, but they know they won't be fired, so DS picks up a lot of the slack.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 3, 2021 13:26:40 GMT
Perhaps it would be better to not vote for disgusting people who encourage shitty treatment of others. By voting for trumpism, it teaches people that they can be rude and nasty to others that are "less than" them. Being patient and polite goes a long way but unfortunately people are seeing that if they're loud, rude, crass, mean, they get their way. 1000 times this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 13:41:17 GMT
I want to add that it's hard to take a PSA like this seriously from someone like pixie who cheers for people like trump.
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Post by sideways on Nov 3, 2021 16:20:50 GMT
IDK what people will do or where their replacements will come from. I do think we're about to experience even worse shortages (and poor service) in all the services/industries mentioned. Merge posted this on another thread, and it reminded me of a few times lately when service was lacking and I had to remember that in a lot of cases there may be many new employees (think food industry) and not enough of them. In so many cases they'd want to receive a little grace because despite trying so hard sometimes you mess up, sometimes the cards are stacked against you. I know most of you do and would realize this, but sometimes just seeing it said stays in our minds when we're having a bad day and might otherwise forget that sometimes the service people are working with a disadvantage. Being nice and common courtesy is great and all. It’s also a very low bar. It’s the minimum we all should be doing. How about supporting those same people by supporting policies and politicians who might actually help them and not hurt them? Like, paying a living wage, help with child care, universal health care. The lack of those things are truly the cards stacked against them right now. And you just want us to be nice to them. Nice lip service.
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Post by sideways on Nov 3, 2021 16:26:58 GMT
The more I think about the OP, the more I realize it has a “Let them eat cake” vibe to it.
Be nice to the “service workers”. That’ll solve all their problems. 🙄
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Post by Merge on Nov 3, 2021 20:09:54 GMT
Sorry. I'm going to ramble here because it's been a long couple of days, from the unimportant (my team lost to a bunch of chanting/chopping racists and the rest of the country is happy about it) to the everyday annoying (the children are crazy) to the catastrophic (the country is going to hell in a handbasket and half of us can't see it).
The quote from me in the OP, taken out of context, ignores the rest of my post and the thread, where we were talking about all the shitty treatment various workers have gotten (including from our own elected representatives and the people who vote for them, as others have mentioned).
Kindness is only the beginning. It should extend to the voting booth. That's what so many people don't seem to get. Your "thank you" and "have a nice day" doesn't mean crap if you follow it up with a vote that denies a livable wage and other basic human rights to the person you're speaking to.
The thread was about police officers supposedly leaving because of vax requirements. I wonder how many good ones have left the force because they can't afford to feed their families on what they're paid? I wonder how many have left because of poor treatment from politicians who claim to "back the blue," but pull their support as soon as the officers do their job in protecting the capitol?
Similarly, I wonder how many teachers will leave VA schools because they're afraid (in future) of being sued or fired over an accurate history lesson. I wonder how many schools will buckle under the weight of legislators demanding an accounting of certain books in their library to fire up their racist base (this is happening in TX right now). I wonder how many restaurant workers will leave their jobs, and how many angry Karens will be lined up in Walmart on Black Friday, mad because they can't get their cheap TV (because "no one wants to work.")
The logical disconnect between interpersonal behavior and voting booth behavior in the country is incomprehensible to me. Don't sit in church on Sunday and sing "blessed are the poor" and "whatsoever you do to the least of my people," and then vote for Republicans in any forum, and turn around and lecture the rest of us about kindness. You don't know shit about kindness.
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Post by oh yvonne on Nov 3, 2021 20:23:35 GMT
Sorry. I'm going to ramble here because it's been a long couple of days, from the unimportant ( my team lost to a bunch of chanting/chopping racists and the rest of the country is happy about it) to the everyday annoying (the children are crazy) to the catastrophic (the country is going to hell in a handbasket and half of us can't see it). The quote from me in the OP, taken out of context, ignores the rest of my post and the thread, where we were talking about all the shitty treatment various workers have gotten (including from our own elected representatives and the people who vote for them, as others have mentioned). Kindness is only the beginning. It should extend to the voting booth. That's what so many people don't seem to get. Your "thank you" and "have a nice day" doesn't mean crap if you follow it up with a vote that denies a livable wage and other basic human rights to the person you're speaking to. The thread was about police officers supposedly leaving because of vax requirements. I wonder how many good ones have left the force because they can't afford to feed their families on what they're paid? I wonder how many have left because of poor treatment from politicians who claim to "back the blue," but pull their support as soon as the officers do their job in protecting the capitol? Similarly, I wonder how many teachers will leave VA schools because they're afraid (in future) of being sued or fired over an accurate history lesson. I wonder how many schools will buckle under the weight of legislators demanding an accounting of certain books in their library to fire up their racist base (this is happening in TX right now). I wonder how many restaurant workers will leave their jobs, and how many angry Karens will be lined up in Walmart on Black Friday, mad because they can't get their cheap TV (because "no one wants to work.") The logical disconnect between interpersonal behavior and voting booth behavior in the country is incomprehensible to me. Don't sit in church on Sunday and sing "blessed are the poor" and "whatsoever you do to the least of my people," and then vote for Republicans in any forum, and turn around and lecture the rest of us about kindness. You don't know shit about kindness. Now hold on there. This Dodger fan isn't cheering the for the racist, chopping Atlanta fans. I'm cheering because The Braves beat that despicable, sign stealing Astros team.
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Post by Merge on Nov 3, 2021 20:34:33 GMT
Sorry. I'm going to ramble here because it's been a long couple of days, from the unimportant ( my team lost to a bunch of chanting/chopping racists and the rest of the country is happy about it) to the everyday annoying (the children are crazy) to the catastrophic (the country is going to hell in a handbasket and half of us can't see it). The quote from me in the OP, taken out of context, ignores the rest of my post and the thread, where we were talking about all the shitty treatment various workers have gotten (including from our own elected representatives and the people who vote for them, as others have mentioned). Kindness is only the beginning. It should extend to the voting booth. That's what so many people don't seem to get. Your "thank you" and "have a nice day" doesn't mean crap if you follow it up with a vote that denies a livable wage and other basic human rights to the person you're speaking to. The thread was about police officers supposedly leaving because of vax requirements. I wonder how many good ones have left the force because they can't afford to feed their families on what they're paid? I wonder how many have left because of poor treatment from politicians who claim to "back the blue," but pull their support as soon as the officers do their job in protecting the capitol? Similarly, I wonder how many teachers will leave VA schools because they're afraid (in future) of being sued or fired over an accurate history lesson. I wonder how many schools will buckle under the weight of legislators demanding an accounting of certain books in their library to fire up their racist base (this is happening in TX right now). I wonder how many restaurant workers will leave their jobs, and how many angry Karens will be lined up in Walmart on Black Friday, mad because they can't get their cheap TV (because "no one wants to work.") The logical disconnect between interpersonal behavior and voting booth behavior in the country is incomprehensible to me. Don't sit in church on Sunday and sing "blessed are the poor" and "whatsoever you do to the least of my people," and then vote for Republicans in any forum, and turn around and lecture the rest of us about kindness. You don't know shit about kindness. Now hold on there. This Dodger fan isn't cheering the for the racist, chopping Atlanta fans. I'm cheering because The Braves beat that despicable, sign stealing Astros team. Not in the mood. Dodgers have done plenty of cheating of their own, and probably the Braves as well. And the Braves organization has done nothing to discourage its fan base from continuing to use their racist chop/chant.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 4, 2021 6:52:59 GMT
Sorry. I'm going to ramble here because it's been a long couple of days, from the unimportant (my team lost to a bunch of chanting/chopping racists and the rest of the country is happy about it) to the everyday annoying (the children are crazy) to the catastrophic (the country is going to hell in a handbasket and half of us can't see it). The quote from me in the OP, taken out of context, ignores the rest of my post and the thread, where we were talking about all the shitty treatment various workers have gotten (including from our own elected representatives and the people who vote for them, as others have mentioned). Kindness is only the beginning. It should extend to the voting booth. That's what so many people don't seem to get. Your "thank you" and "have a nice day" doesn't mean crap if you follow it up with a vote that denies a livable wage and other basic human rights to the person you're speaking to. The thread was about police officers supposedly leaving because of vax requirements. I wonder how many good ones have left the force because they can't afford to feed their families on what they're paid? I wonder how many have left because of poor treatment from politicians who claim to "back the blue," but pull their support as soon as the officers do their job in protecting the capitol? Similarly, I wonder how many teachers will leave VA schools because they're afraid (in future) of being sued or fired over an accurate history lesson. I wonder how many schools will buckle under the weight of legislators demanding an accounting of certain books in their library to fire up their racist base (this is happening in TX right now). I wonder how many restaurant workers will leave their jobs, and how many angry Karens will be lined up in Walmart on Black Friday, mad because they can't get their cheap TV (because "no one wants to work.") The logical disconnect between interpersonal behavior and voting booth behavior in the country is incomprehensible to me. Don't sit in church on Sunday and sing "blessed are the poor" and "whatsoever you do to the least of my people," and then vote for Republicans in any forum, and turn around and lecture the rest of us about kindness. You don't know shit about kindness. The quote from me in the OP, taken out of context, ignores the rest of my post and the thread, where we were talking about all the shitty treatment various workers have gotten (including from our own elected representatives and the people who vote for them, as others have mentioned). Nope. We're not doing that today. Nothing was taken out of context. I posted what you said that caused me to think what *I* posted. I attributed no thoughts or feelings to you. NONE whatsoever. It was MY thought. So FFS, no, you were not taken out of context. Kindness is only the beginning. It should extend to the voting booth. This is true, yet this was not meant to be a political thread. Every nice thought does not have to be dismissed with political rhetoric. It was a nice thought about a particular moment in time for people, that does not involve voting. It was a nice thought that I wanted to share and people are appreciating. Can't you allow that and start your own thread with what it made you think? Why do you have to tear down someone who's trying to spread goodwill?
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Post by Merge on Nov 4, 2021 13:13:43 GMT
Sorry. I'm going to ramble here because it's been a long couple of days, from the unimportant (my team lost to a bunch of chanting/chopping racists and the rest of the country is happy about it) to the everyday annoying (the children are crazy) to the catastrophic (the country is going to hell in a handbasket and half of us can't see it). The quote from me in the OP, taken out of context, ignores the rest of my post and the thread, where we were talking about all the shitty treatment various workers have gotten (including from our own elected representatives and the people who vote for them, as others have mentioned). Kindness is only the beginning. It should extend to the voting booth. That's what so many people don't seem to get. Your "thank you" and "have a nice day" doesn't mean crap if you follow it up with a vote that denies a livable wage and other basic human rights to the person you're speaking to. The thread was about police officers supposedly leaving because of vax requirements. I wonder how many good ones have left the force because they can't afford to feed their families on what they're paid? I wonder how many have left because of poor treatment from politicians who claim to "back the blue," but pull their support as soon as the officers do their job in protecting the capitol? Similarly, I wonder how many teachers will leave VA schools because they're afraid (in future) of being sued or fired over an accurate history lesson. I wonder how many schools will buckle under the weight of legislators demanding an accounting of certain books in their library to fire up their racist base (this is happening in TX right now). I wonder how many restaurant workers will leave their jobs, and how many angry Karens will be lined up in Walmart on Black Friday, mad because they can't get their cheap TV (because "no one wants to work.") The logical disconnect between interpersonal behavior and voting booth behavior in the country is incomprehensible to me. Don't sit in church on Sunday and sing "blessed are the poor" and "whatsoever you do to the least of my people," and then vote for Republicans in any forum, and turn around and lecture the rest of us about kindness. You don't know shit about kindness. The quote from me in the OP, taken out of context, ignores the rest of my post and the thread, where we were talking about all the shitty treatment various workers have gotten (including from our own elected representatives and the people who vote for them, as others have mentioned). Nope. We're not doing that today. Nothing was taken out of context. I posted what you said that caused me to think what *I* posted. I attributed no thoughts or feelings to you. NONE whatsoever. It was MY thought. So FFS, no, you were not taken out of context. Kindness is only the beginning. It should extend to the voting booth. This is true, yet this was not meant to be a political thread. Every nice thought does not have to be dismissed with political rhetoric. It was a nice thought about a particular moment in time for people, that does not involve voting. It was a nice thought that I wanted to share and people are appreciating. Can't you allow that and start your own thread with what it made you think? Why do you have to tear down someone who's trying to spread goodwill? Because the "goodwill" you suggest is a bandaid on the real problem. Retail workers don't just want politeness. They want a living wage and a fair schedule. I'm tired of getting thank you notes in lieu of a reasonable salary. I'm tired of getting jeans days as a thank you to distract me from getting shit on by the public for teaching "CRT" or not being able to single handedly overcome the effects of poverty. Bandaids in these cases are insults. You all have chosen to make basic human rights and consideration for others a political issue by legislating against them. If you don't like people responding to that, make different choices.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2021 14:31:13 GMT
Because the "goodwill" you suggest is a bandaid on the real problem. Reminds me of the asshole Christians who leave fake tips (bible tracts) because "saving the waiter's soul is worth more than a few bucks in a tip".
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 4, 2021 22:12:52 GMT
Nope. We're not doing that today. Nothing was taken out of context. I posted what you said that caused me to think what *I* posted. I attributed no thoughts or feelings to you. NONE whatsoever. It was MY thought. So FFS, no, you were not taken out of context. This is true, yet this was not meant to be a political thread. Every nice thought does not have to be dismissed with political rhetoric. It was a nice thought about a particular moment in time for people, that does not involve voting. It was a nice thought that I wanted to share and people are appreciating. Can't you allow that and start your own thread with what it made you think? Why do you have to tear down someone who's trying to spread goodwill? Because the "goodwill" you suggest is a bandaid on the real problem. Retail workers don't just want politeness. They want a living wage and a fair schedule. I'm tired of getting thank you notes in lieu of a reasonable salary. I'm tired of getting jeans days as a thank you to distract me from getting shit on by the public for teaching "CRT" or not being able to single handedly overcome the effects of poverty. Bandaids in these cases are insults. You all have chosen to make basic human rights and consideration for others a political issue by legislating against them. If you don't like people responding to that, make different choices. You tried to dismiss me by saying I took what you said out of context. Clearly not true. You tried to dismiss the spread of goodwill meant for people under stress. I posted a nice thought about a particular moment in time for people, that does not involve voting. It was a nice thought that I wanted to share and people are appreciating. Stop trying to erase that. It's a moment in time in someone's day that has absolutely nothing to do with voting no matter how much you try to say it does.
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