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Post by simplyparticular on Nov 6, 2021 19:42:04 GMT
I have a long fuse - not much gets me angry and very little sustains anger. But I have spent the last 10 days simmering and boiling. At myself, at the people I know and love. We spent so long being so careful, and got everyone vaccinated the minute we could. We usually host Thanksgiving and have both DH and my family over. We didn’t last year, but we were considering doing it this year, as my father died unexpectedly in June and we could all use a little normalcy. But most of my large family isn’t vaccinated, his small family is.
DD15 is at the end of a mild breakthrough case of COVID. We tested negative and have stayed healthy. Her last isolation day is today. Her smell/taste never changed and I very much hope the vaccine has prevented long COVID issues like some colleagues and friends still dealing with since they had it pre-vaccines.
She was almost certainly exposed at one of 3 outdoor (unmasked) school homecoming events or the pre-homecoming gathering at a friend’s house. When her positive test surprised us, I knew area contact tracing has been slow, so I immediately called every adult and parent of a child I knew she had been exposed to that I had access to. This was a hideous experience and I am so glad I blocked DD from contacting people herself, and wish I hadn’t bothered with some of them.
-my in laws went and tested negative immediately.
-my mother and brother were around DD for 10-15 min, at our house for 45 min. My mother, father and brother were all sick in April 2020 but refused to be tested and part of “King Cuomo’s bogus statistics.” They didn’t want me to put them on the contact tracing list. I told them I refused to lie and encouraged them to test even though they didn’t want to. After bitching me out and throwing around hoax/anti-vax theories, my mother used the exposure as an excuse to take off work for two days, but didn’t quarantine. Instead, she went out MORE than usual in rebellion - she helped my brother fulfill his Instacart orders! Her employer required a test, and they were both negative. My last conversation with either of them they act like the negative test is a permanent pass to do whatever they want. I’m told they are both still angry with me.
-11 kids were at the pre party and/or daily lunch table, turns out only 4 kids were vaccinated. 3 of the 4 Parents I spoke to directly tried to either get me not to list their kid, or to lie about the date of first onset of symptoms to exclude their unvaccinated child from mandatory 10 days of quarantining. All were stiffly polite and wished DD well, and I could hear the one father in the background making threatening comments. All 4 parents waited for DOH - they sent their daughters to school for 2 more days knowing they had been exposed! The friend who hosted is beside herself - we’ve known these families since elem - she can’t believe the low vaccination rate or their behavior. I don’t know if any girls got sick - the daily school notifications have listed positives and the school nurse told me she was sending home symptomatic kids all week after homecoming. ETA: Some parents waited our the 10 days rather than get their girl tested. And one parent launched right into complaints that this would cause the school to cancel events again, and only tacked on best wishes for DD at the end.
-so I’m angry at myself for letting DD go and hang out with idiots, and I may as well not have bothered notifying the parents. All I did was spread the news that DD is specifically the one sick. It would have been private otherwise. She has heard nothing from these unvaccinated friends and even a couple of the vaccinated ones, while she isolated. She reached out to a few about class notes, and heard nothing. So I’m worried this will have long term social consequences. She’s not thrilled to go back to school Monday, although she was also a big fan of remote school.
- One unvaccinated sister and BIL and niece got COVID in mid Oct and sister still has symptoms. They didn’t tell anyone they were sick until after because they didn’t want to deal with fallout from the vaccinated or blowback from people who think it’s a hoax. Her FB stories show she sure didn’t isolate 10 days - just the days they felt like absolute garbage. When she found out DD was sick, she finally told me she was sick, and kept pushing us to get DD essential oils, quercentein and zinc.
I am waffling between canceling Thanksgiving dinner again, or being a bitch and specifically inviting vaccinated people, including people that wouldn’t normally be invited because my family takes up so many spaces.
Then I think about the agony of the week watching my dad slip away and hesitate about leaving my mom out. Just not sure I can host and be civil when I’m so angry. Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday and I don’t want to ruin it forever by starting or creating the arena for a major family fight. My one vaccinated sister is pissed because my mother didn’t tell her she had been exposed to DD, and they spent time together with her and my niece who was too young to vaccinate until this week.
What a mess. I’m exhausted just typing this, so thanks for reading.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 6, 2021 19:51:40 GMT
kept pushing us to get DD essential oils, quercentein and zinc. I have an idiot cousin like this Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday and I don’t want to ruin it forever by starting or creating the arena for a major family fight. Then don't host it this year. It would depend on if people hold grudges whether it would ruin it for the foreseeable future or not. I wouldn't risk it.
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Post by lucyg on Nov 6, 2021 20:09:25 GMT
I don’t blame you for being mad, and I wouldn’t invite them for thanksgiving this year. BUT that’s easy for me to say, because my family is all vaccinated and careful, and no one has had it (so far! knock on wood).
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Post by FurryP on Nov 6, 2021 20:10:44 GMT
That is a lot to deal with. And I totally get you. The thing is vaccinated or not vaccinated you can still get COVID, and still pass it along. So I don't know why it makes a difference to not invite people that are not vaccinated. Maybe I am missing something. Personally I would not be hosting anything. Good luck!
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Post by librarylady on Nov 6, 2021 20:43:38 GMT
I share your anger.
I would not host a gathering this year. Hopefully 2022 will allow us to get somewhat back to our previous lives.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 6, 2021 20:54:10 GMT
I don’t have any advice except to say maybe ask your husband and daughter what they want to do. I’m sorry that you have to deal with this, but you did the right thing by notifying people, and it’s a shame that they acted like jerks.
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Post by chances on Nov 6, 2021 22:29:39 GMT
I’m sorry you’re dealing with this. I would skip hosting this year. It sounds like there is a lot of anger between various family members and this is the kind of thing that can cause family rifts that ripple throughout the years.
You also made realize contact tracing people from the DOH likely get a lot of crap. Just another job made harder by people who throw fits when others acknowledge that Covid exists.
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Post by littlemama on Nov 6, 2021 23:05:27 GMT
Just invite the vaccinated people from your usual guest list. Domt endanger yourselves or others by inviting unvaxxed.
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Post by AussieMeg on Nov 6, 2021 23:36:56 GMT
I understand not wanting to piss people off, but you also need to keep your family safe. In your situation I would NOT host Thanksgiving this year, nor would I go to a Thanksgiving dinner hosted by anyone who wasn't vaccinated.
I would NOT hold Thanksgiving and only invite vaccinated family members. That could cause a rift that could take a long time to heal. You're better off not hosting at all.
Oh, and I don't blame your vaccinated sister for being annoyed at your mum. I would be furious. Your mum was incredibly and unbelievably selfish to expose her grand daughter like that.
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Post by voltagain on Nov 6, 2021 23:37:57 GMT
My advice: covid19 is going to be with us forever. It is past time we stop all magical thinking about getting *back* to normal ala life before January 2020. Instead we need to build a new normal based on our personal comfort level. This situation started with your choice to allow your 15 year old to go to an indoor home coming party (most likely place of infection) and other outdoor social events. I am not judging the decision, just noting it is not something "careful" to do but it was your choice to allow it. Your daughter got sick from it and potentially infected others. You did the right thing by letting them know of the potential.
You can not make the other adults decide to get vaxed. That is their decision to make. We don't get to control what other adults do. It is not good for you to spend so much time and energy on being angry about something you have no control over. Make a decision how you will move through life for the next 5 years knowing many are not vaccinated, many are, and most you have no idea what the truth is. The gatherings of 2019 and before will only happen if you decide covid isn't your problem to control so let the chips fall where they may. Or if you can't let the chips fall where they may, what do you feel you/your nuclear family needs to do in light of the fact even vaccinated people can get covid and can spread it.
I've got vaccinated family and unvaccinated family. Even vaccinated I am still at a serious risk. I don't worry about my unvaccinated family. I make decisions based on my risk factors and my stress tolerance.
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Post by simplyparticular on Nov 6, 2021 23:51:54 GMT
You also made realize contact tracing people from the DOH likely get a lot of crap. Just another job made harder by people who throw fits when others acknowledge that Covid exists. Yes, that was very clear when talking to the school nurse and county and state tracers. They have a difficult job. My advice: covid19 is going to be with us forever. It is past time we stop all magical thinking about getting *back* to normal ala life before January 2020. Instead we need to build a new normal based on our personal comfort level. This situation started with your choice to allow your 15 year old to go to an indoor home coming party (most likely place of infection) and other outdoor social events I know - I’m angry enough at myself. The pre-party was also outdoors - pictures on the front lawn before they drove over in 3 cars. They masked in the cars, and whenever they went into the school to use the restroom. DD left her mask on after her first bathroom break - she’s just so used to wearing it at school she forgot it was on until she saw it in a group photo.
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Post by mikklynn on Nov 7, 2021 14:02:23 GMT
There is no reason to be angry at yourself. The activity was relatively low risk for your daughter.
I would not host unvaccinated people at my house. The problem with saying only the vaccinated are invited is will someone lie? As to inviting your unvaccinated mother, do not feel guilty leaving her out. She made her decision.
I DO understand your anger. My poor brother was vaccinated and assumes he got his breakthrough case at a mandatory indoor work meeting. He unknowingly then infected my mother (vaxxed), who then infected my dad (also vaxxed). Thankfully they are all recovered. My brother is very angry about the mandatory meeting of over 100 people with no COVID precautions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2021 18:42:41 GMT
If Covid exposure upsets you, why would you risk exposing others by hosting a Thanksgiving dinner that would include guests that are unvaccinated and who are less than forthcoming?
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 7, 2021 18:48:55 GMT
You can get covid anywhere. Unvaccinated people spread it. Vaccinated people spread it. The difference seems to be the varying degree of the symptoms most of the time.
So are you wanting to leave the anti-vaxxer out to protect them or because you think it would be safer for your family? Because while it might be slightly less risk, the risk is still there.
People are going to get covid. Most of us will get covid. The people you contacted were dipshits, but the rest...
I'm going to spend time with ny family while they are here. I'd rather die while I'm living than live like I'm dead.
Covid isn't going away anytime soon. Decide what is important and go from there.
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Post by christine58 on Nov 7, 2021 18:55:16 GMT
This is what I would do, I would invite only vaccinated people to dinner but I would also include my mother or rather your mother. These first holidays after a spouse dies are awful. I know she’s unvaccinated but you could have someone who’s vaccinated come to your house with Covid and transmit it so I guess I don’t see the problem with inviting her. As freecharlie put it, anyone can transmit it.
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Post by Gennifer on Nov 7, 2021 20:46:53 GMT
I don’t get why people insist it’s the same risk whether vaxxed or unvaxxed. It’s not. My state has a 54% vaccination rate. If COVID spread equally, regardless of vaccination rate, the infection rate would be about the same, with ~54% of the cases being breakthrough. It doesn’t.
These stats were compiled over the last 28 days in my state, and show the per-capita (pcm) rates by age group for vaccinated, unvaccinated, and how much more frequently the unvaccinated are to experience each (Risk Ratio) - --Cases-- 12-18 - Vax: 243.46 pcm, Unvax: 1948.54 pcm, Risk Ratio: 8.00x 19-29 - Vax: 494.87 pcm, Unvax: 2565.03 pcm, Risk Ratio: 5.18x 30-39 - Vax: 788.43 pcm, Unvax: 3142.46 pcm, Risk Ratio: 3.99x 40-49 - Vax: 798.61 pcm, Unvax: 3499.38 pcm, Risk Ratio: 4.38x 50-59 - Vax: 712.26 pcm, Unvax: 3166.83 pcm, Risk Ratio: 4.45x 60-69 - Vax: 681.04 pcm, Unvax: 3549.99 pcm, Risk Ratio: 5.21x 70-79 - Vax: 664.91 pcm, Unvax: 3582.32 pcm, Risk Ratio: 5.39x 80+ - Vax: 728.84 pcm, Unvax: 1935.90 pcm, Risk Ratio: 2.66x --Hospitalizations-- 12-18 - Vax: 1.57 pcm, Unvax: 23.88 pcm, Risk Ratio: 15.24x 19-29 - Vax: 6.76 pcm, Unvax: 62.51 pcm, Risk Ratio: 9.25x 30-39 - Vax: 8.16 pcm, Unvax: 122.33 pcm, Risk Ratio: 14.99x 40-49 - Vax: 12.08 pcm, Unvax: 212.84 pcm, Risk Ratio: 17.62x 50-59 - Vax: 19.11 pcm, Unvax: 290.75 pcm, Risk Ratio: 15.21x 60-69 - Vax: 38.61 pcm, Unvax: 583.79 pcm, Risk Ratio: 15.12x 70-79 - Vax: 77.85 pcm, Unvax: 881.72 pcm, Risk Ratio: 11.33x 80+ - Vax: 166.81 pcm, Unvax: 587.30 pcm, Risk Ratio: 3.52x --Deaths-- 12-18 - Vax: 0.00 pcm, Unvax: 0.00 pcm, Risk Ratio: NA 19-29 - Vax: 0.00 pcm, Unvax: 2.10 pcm, Risk Ratio: infinite 30-39 - Vax: 0.35 pcm, Unvax: 8.23 pcm, Risk Ratio: 23.21x 40-49 - Vax: 0.37 pcm, Unvax: 24.99 pcm, Risk Ratio: 68.28x 50-59 - Vax: 1.30 pcm, Unvax: 40.60 pcm, Risk Ratio: 31.16x 60-69 - Vax: 6.29 pcm, Unvax: 125.39 pcm, Risk Ratio: 19.95x 70-79 - Vax: 15.43 pcm, Unvax: 366.00 pcm, Risk Ratio: 23.72x 80+ - Vax: 48.09 pcm, Unvax: 188.52 pcm, Risk Ratio: 3.92x
As you can see, vaccination makes a big difference, and in more than just hospitalization/death. If you’re vaccinated, you’re far less likely to get COVID at all. If you *do* get it, you have a lower viral load, so you are less likely to spread it.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 7, 2021 21:47:57 GMT
I’m sorry about your situation. Just wanted to echo that vaccinated people are less likely to spread covid. There is a different risk hosting a gathering of unvaccinated vs vaccinated family. www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/the-vaccinated-arent-just-as-likely-to-spread-covid/620161/S o let me make one thing clear: Vaccinated people are not as likely to spread the coronavirus as the unvaccinated. Even in the United States, where more than half of the population is fully vaccinated, the unvaccinated are responsible for the overwhelming majority of transmission.
To spread the coronavirus, you have to have the coronavirus. And vaccinated people are far less likely to have the coronavirus—period.
Additionally, for those instances of a vaccinated person getting a breakthrough case, yes, they can be as infectious as an unvaccinated person. But they are likely contagious for a shorter period of time when compared with the unvaccinated, and they may harbor less infectious virus overall.
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Post by peasapie on Nov 7, 2021 22:01:29 GMT
You can get covid anywhere. Unvaccinated people spread it. Vaccinated people spread it. The difference seems to be the varying degree of the symptoms most of the time. So are you wanting to leave the anti-vaxxer out to protect them or because you think it would be safer for your family? Because while it might be slightly less risk, the risk is still there. People are going to get covid. Most of us will get covid. The people you contacted were dipshits, but the rest... I'm going to spend time with ny family while they are here. I'd rather die while I'm living than live like I'm dead. Covid isn't going away anytime soon. Decide what is important and go from there. This is pretty much where I'm at with this. I've been vaccinated now 3 times. I haven't seen my sister in almost two years because they are anti vaxxers, but I'll be seeing her this upcoming week. Life is passing by -- I am going to try to actually live the years I have left safely but active, not huddled in a corner. We flew in a plane and went to a wedding a month ago, and we will go to a holiday party next month.
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Post by mrsscrapdiva on Nov 7, 2021 23:54:53 GMT
I DO understand why you are angry and frustrated. I am glad your dd is okay. But I am afraid the reality of it is that we will be dealing with this, these mixed vaccinated and unvaccinated situations; school events, holidays, get togethers, for a very long time.
There doesn't seem to be much about contact tracing anymore (NH). The covid "rules" from what I have witnessed are flawed. I see it weekly at the schools. There is some distancing, masks are worn during school hours but definitely not after school hours. And no distancing, mask wearing on weekend events like sports, with athletes or parents.
I honestly feel like I am ignoring what others are doing more and more because it was at a point I was getting so anxious about it and thats not healthy either.
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Post by RosieKat on Nov 8, 2021 0:07:20 GMT
You also made realize contact tracing people from the DOH likely get a lot of crap. Just another job made harder by people who throw fits when others acknowledge that Covid exists. Yes, that was very clear when talking to the school nurse and county and state tracers. They have a difficult job. I so empathize. I was put in the situation of having to contact families this past summer when someone at the day camp I help run tested positive. Most people were actually pretty kind and appreciative of me calling them, but some of them were a doozy. (And for the record, this is a Christian-based camp that focuses on ways to be kind to other people - some of these families need to have the adults attend...) And at the same time, we were dealing with extremely unkind behaviors from a handful of people who were unhappy we were requiring masks (which we had said all along we were requiring, so if they didn't like it, they knew about the requirement when the registered). Some people are just special. I'm glad your daughter is feeling better, and although it's frustrating, you did the right thing with notifications.
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Post by tincin on Nov 8, 2021 0:22:00 GMT
I would host Thanksgiving but only for vaccinated people. Not only do they spread the virus at a lower rate, I think they are hell more careful as a whole. I’m not living my life huddled in a corner, but neither am I mingling with anti-vaxers by choice. If I have the option to avoid people I know haven’t been vaccinated I certainly will. I don’t consider that missing out on life, I consider that trying to live longer.
I babysit my granddaughter and take her to our class once a week with other children, but safety protocols are followed. Everyone including the parents and grandparents wear masks and socially distance. I go shopping, with a mask on and again, I try to always maintain a safe distance.
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 8, 2021 0:27:53 GMT
That is a lot to deal with. And I totally get you. The thing is vaccinated or not vaccinated you can still get COVID, and still pass it along. So I don't know why it makes a difference to not invite people that are not vaccinated. Maybe I am missing something. Personally I would not be hosting anything. Good luck! Because people who aren't vaccinated are more likely to contract COVID, and her unvaccinated relatives specifically are not otherwise following guidelines.
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 8, 2021 0:30:35 GMT
I am sorry.
I'd probably either choose not to host or host only vaccinated people; I'd only host unvaccinated, unmasked guests (which is what eating means) if I lived somewhere where I could host outside, particularly if I could not trust them to be honest.
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Post by dewryce on Nov 8, 2021 5:44:22 GMT
I understand your feelings and validate a lot of your anger. I know I need to be able to try and let a lot of that go, but admit I’m having a hard time with that. People knowingly putting others lives at risk is a big deal to me. Anyway, I’m sorry for all you’re going through and am glad your daughter is having a very mild case. I wouldn’t host unvaccinated guests inside at this time, with such high rates of transmission. Not just for our safety, but for the safety of others we invite into our home. And I have to admit I’m a little tired of hearing the term “living my life” used as a weapon, suggesting we are not because we are much more cautious than others and more cautious than they feel we should be. DH is immunocompromised, we both have many co-morbidities that raise the chances of a severe case. Just because you’d be miserable not being able to do x, y and a doesn’t mean we are. Exactly how we feel tincin !
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Post by nlwilkins on Nov 8, 2021 8:59:06 GMT
Why are you worried about your mother when she is not following simple guidelines and is taking advantage of two days off work for quarantine to run around and flaunt the rules? She does not want to follow rules so does not need to be around your family. If she wanted to attend a Thanksgiving gathering, she should be doing what she could to be safe.
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Post by momto4kiddos on Nov 8, 2021 12:36:26 GMT
Ugh, I totally feel for you and your family. Hope your dd is feeling better!
We're starting to tread into the territory of my most cautious vaccinated adult kiddo and his girlfriend who are super-careful have just spent time with a couple relatives unvaccinated. Months back I would have never believed he'd consider it, but...it's just so hard to deal with this as it drags on and on.
I have a cousin who is doing Thanksgiving. With the approval of her Mom (mom and dad are mid-late 70's) has issued an invite to Thanksgiving that stated you must be and prove your vaccinated to attend. I figured the unvaccinated of the family would be insulted and not care. But one of her nephews asked if he could attend if he had a negative covid test.
I think if I were in your shoes i'd consider inviting dh's small, vaccinated family. Since even the vaccinated can have/spread it, i'm more comfortable with a small group anyway.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 8, 2021 13:15:40 GMT
I understand your feelings and validate a lot of your anger. I know I need to be able to try and let a lot of that go, but admit I’m having a hard time with that. People knowingly putting others lives at risk is a big deal to me. Anyway, I’m sorry for all you’re going through and am glad your daughter is having a very mild case. I wouldn’t host unvaccinated guests inside at this time, with such high rates of transmission. Not just for our safety, but for the safety of others we invite into our home. And I have to admit I’m a little tired of hearing the term “living my life” used as a weapon, suggesting we are not because we are much more cautious than others and more cautious than they feel we should be.>) DH is immunocompromised, we both have many co-morbidities that raise the chances of a severe case. Just because you’d be miserable not being able to do x, y and a doesn’t mean we are. Exactly how we feel tincin ! I'm not sure how it is being used as a weapon. It is how I am choosing to live. It doesn't mean you have to. If one of us was immunocompromised or we had multiple co-morbities or if one of my children were not vaccinated, we would probably choose differently.
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Post by maryland on Nov 8, 2021 13:44:05 GMT
I'm sorry your vaccinated daughter got a breakthrough infection. I feel bad for those who get vaccinated and get a breakthrough case. I hope she feels better soon! Good for you contacting others. You are doing the right thing.
I would continue with Thanksgiving for your husbands family as they are small and vaccinated. And for the others, I would invite those that are vaccinated. That's what we are doing. My husband gets Thanksgiving, so we always spend it with his family and they are vaccinated. For Christmas, we split that and both families are vaccinated, so we travel to his (4 hrs) then to mine (5 hrs). We would not spend time with unvaccinated because we want to reduce, not increase our chance of getting covid.
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Post by dewryce on Nov 8, 2021 13:48:01 GMT
And I have to admit I’m a little tired of hearing the term “living my life” used as a weapon, suggesting we are not because we are much more cautious than others and more cautious than they feel we should be.>) DH is immunocompromised, we both have many co-morbidities that raise the chances of a severe case. Just because you’d be miserable not being able to do x, y and a doesn’t mean we are. I'm not sure how it is being used as a weapon. It is how I am choosing to live. It doesn't mean you have to. If one of us was immunocompromised or we had multiple co-morbities or if one of my children were not vaccinated, we would probably choose differently. The way it is often said is in a way that suggests that anyone who is not as social as they are are not “living their lives.” It’s meant as an insult, a judgement, and admonishment. It’s in the facial expression, the smirk, the tone. I’m not suggesting that’s what you mean, but a lot of people do, and they make that obvious.
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Post by maryland on Nov 8, 2021 13:50:26 GMT
I don’t get why people insist it’s the same risk whether vaxxed or unvaxxed. It’s not. My state has a 54% vaccination rate. If COVID spread equally, regardless of vaccination rate, the infection rate would be about the same, with ~54% of the cases being breakthrough. It doesn’t. These stats were compiled over the last 28 days in my state, and show the per-capita (pcm) rates by age group for vaccinated, unvaccinated, and how much more frequently the unvaccinated are to experience each (Risk Ratio) - --Cases-- 12-18 - Vax: 243.46 pcm, Unvax: 1948.54 pcm, Risk Ratio: 8.00x 19-29 - Vax: 494.87 pcm, Unvax: 2565.03 pcm, Risk Ratio: 5.18x 30-39 - Vax: 788.43 pcm, Unvax: 3142.46 pcm, Risk Ratio: 3.99x 40-49 - Vax: 798.61 pcm, Unvax: 3499.38 pcm, Risk Ratio: 4.38x 50-59 - Vax: 712.26 pcm, Unvax: 3166.83 pcm, Risk Ratio: 4.45x 60-69 - Vax: 681.04 pcm, Unvax: 3549.99 pcm, Risk Ratio: 5.21x 70-79 - Vax: 664.91 pcm, Unvax: 3582.32 pcm, Risk Ratio: 5.39x 80+ - Vax: 728.84 pcm, Unvax: 1935.90 pcm, Risk Ratio: 2.66x --Hospitalizations-- 12-18 - Vax: 1.57 pcm, Unvax: 23.88 pcm, Risk Ratio: 15.24x 19-29 - Vax: 6.76 pcm, Unvax: 62.51 pcm, Risk Ratio: 9.25x 30-39 - Vax: 8.16 pcm, Unvax: 122.33 pcm, Risk Ratio: 14.99x 40-49 - Vax: 12.08 pcm, Unvax: 212.84 pcm, Risk Ratio: 17.62x 50-59 - Vax: 19.11 pcm, Unvax: 290.75 pcm, Risk Ratio: 15.21x 60-69 - Vax: 38.61 pcm, Unvax: 583.79 pcm, Risk Ratio: 15.12x 70-79 - Vax: 77.85 pcm, Unvax: 881.72 pcm, Risk Ratio: 11.33x 80+ - Vax: 166.81 pcm, Unvax: 587.30 pcm, Risk Ratio: 3.52x --Deaths-- 12-18 - Vax: 0.00 pcm, Unvax: 0.00 pcm, Risk Ratio: NA 19-29 - Vax: 0.00 pcm, Unvax: 2.10 pcm, Risk Ratio: infinite 30-39 - Vax: 0.35 pcm, Unvax: 8.23 pcm, Risk Ratio: 23.21x 40-49 - Vax: 0.37 pcm, Unvax: 24.99 pcm, Risk Ratio: 68.28x 50-59 - Vax: 1.30 pcm, Unvax: 40.60 pcm, Risk Ratio: 31.16x 60-69 - Vax: 6.29 pcm, Unvax: 125.39 pcm, Risk Ratio: 19.95x 70-79 - Vax: 15.43 pcm, Unvax: 366.00 pcm, Risk Ratio: 23.72x 80+ - Vax: 48.09 pcm, Unvax: 188.52 pcm, Risk Ratio: 3.92x As you can see, vaccination makes a big difference, and in more than just hospitalization/death. If you’re vaccinated, you’re far less likely to get COVID at all. If you *do* get it, you have a lower viral load, so you are less likely to spread it. Thank you! I am so tired of the anti vaxxers acting like vaccinated people face the same risk and pass it along at the same rate! If we do pass it on, others should be vaccinated and safer. And it all would get vaccinated, it would not be such a problem! It's the unvaccinated that keep the virus going strong. They need to stop blaming us vaccinated people.
Sorry, this has been bothering me for so long and it feels nice to vent! Thanks again!
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