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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 21:26:52 GMT
Some expert on one of the morning shows, Rikki Klieman, said something like "The judge is trying to be fair. We rarely see the defendant get a fair trial. Usually the judges side w/the prosecutors, but in this case, the judge is bending over backwards to NOT side w/the prosecutors" (paraphrasing).
Gee, Rikki, I wonder what the common denominator between the usual defendant, when the judge is siding w/the prosecutors and this defendant, when the judge is NOT siding w/the prosecutor and bending over backwards for the defense?
Hmmmm. What could it be!??!?!
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Post by PLurker on Nov 12, 2021 21:34:20 GMT
I don’t think anyone disputes that he *is* a racist. That’s not the issue. The issue is what does that have to do with his trial? He’s not on trial for being a racist. You can’t convict him because he’s racist. That’s not illegal.
I was not aware of those pictures of him and what you say is correct. He is also (not admissible in trial) on audio/video in front of a store, CVS I think stating he wished he had his AR-15 to shoot some of them as I think people were, or he thought they were, shoplifting. I remember thinking when I saw and heard that he really wants to play cop, judge, jury and executioner and also wondered if he drove there (unlicensed) and why he thought he was better/beyond having to be legal. Or who would he like to be his judge and jury. And I know this isnt strictly about the trial, As I stated that admissible. Bit on the other hand this is social media and we talk about whatever we want. Court of public opinion has different (or no) rules. Wanna be cop, wanting to enforce laws while breaking some of his own. Woulda thunk. |
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 12, 2021 21:53:40 GMT
I was not aware of those pictures of him and what you say is correct. He is also (not admissible in trial) on audio/video in front of a store, CVS I think stating he wished he had his AR-15 to shoot some of them as I think people were, or he thought they were, shoplifting. I remember thinking when I saw and heard that he really wants to play cop, judge, jury and executioner and also wondered if he drove there (unlicensed) and why he thought he was better/beyond having to be legal. Or who would he like to be his judge and jury. And I know this isnt strictly about the trial, As I stated that admissible. Bit on the other hand this is social media and we talk about whatever we want. Court of public opinion has different (or no) rules. Wanna be cop, wanting to enforce laws while breaking some of his own. Woulda thunk. Yep, just look all those cops who want to enforce laws on citizens as part of their jobs, but think they are above vaccine mandates. |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 12, 2021 22:12:47 GMT
There is something terrifyingly wrong with a country where someone who does what Kyle Rittenhouse did, is considered a victim and is then heroized by a decent amount of people, some of them prominent and/or elected officials. It is one thing to think that he made some really bad really choices and that he still *might* have somehow acted in self defense. It is quite another to lionize and defend it. 😨😵💫 No one here is lionizing him. They are looking at the chain of events and talking about what they actually know. Rittenhouse went to help keep the car dealership and the cars from being burned to the ground. He was putting out fires set by the criminals and that's what set off the actual aggressors. (Like David Dorn who didn't protect himself and now he's dead) Putting out fires is not provoking conflict. They threatened to kill him twice, he was bashed in the head with a skateboard twice, had a running kick to the face, (the guy was off the ground completely as his feet made contact to Kyle's face), they chased him, advanced on him and pointed a gun at him. It was self defense. The video shows that. The "victim"/aggressor/witness for the prosecution testified that he only got shot after he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse. That is self defense. |
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Post by anonaname on Nov 12, 2021 22:31:51 GMT
Want to hear something funny? Bill Ackman (activist investor and hedge fund manager and Harvard grad) tweeted this today: "Just got a call from the media asking if my Twitter account was hacked. That is, the reporter couldn’t conceive of the idea that I could believe that Kyle is innocent because I am not a right winger. Crazy."
That's how screwed up everything is. The media gets a big fat hair up its ass when a perceived left-winger isn't thinking "correctly" and actually says what he really thinks outloud. Must have had his page hacked.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 12, 2021 22:36:49 GMT
Want to hear something funny? Bill Ackerman (activist investor and hedge fund manager from Harvard) tweeted this today: "Just got a call from the media asking if my Twitter account was hacked. That is, the reporter couldn’t conceive of the idea that I could believe that Kyle is innocent because I am not a right winger. Crazy." That's how screwed up everything is. The media gets a big fat hair up its ass when a perceived left-winger isn't thinking "correctly" and actually says what he really thinks outloud. Must have had his page hacked. You do realize that Republican congressmen/women are getting threats from other republicans for voting for the infrastructure bill? Or not going with the party line on the insurrection or love of Trump? Or that Rittenhouse’s mom is going on Hannity during the trial? Yeah. That’s how fu$@ed up things are in this country. |
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Post by anonaname on Nov 12, 2021 23:08:48 GMT
Want to hear something funny? Bill Ackerman (activist investor and hedge fund manager from Harvard) tweeted this today: "Just got a call from the media asking if my Twitter account was hacked. That is, the reporter couldn’t conceive of the idea that I could believe that Kyle is innocent because I am not a right winger. Crazy." That's how screwed up everything is. The media gets a big fat hair up its ass when a perceived left-winger isn't thinking "correctly" and actually says what he really thinks outloud. Must have had his page hacked. You do realize that Republican congressmen/women are getting threats from other republicans for voting for the infrastructure bill? Or not going with the party line on the insurrection or love of Trump? Or that Rittenhouse’s mom is going on Hannity during the trial? Yeah. That’s how fu$@ed up things are in this country. And there's a Red Herring Logical Fallacy. What you bring up is unfortunate but it is irrelevant and distracting from what we are talking about here. |
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Post by PLurker on Nov 12, 2021 23:12:19 GMT
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Post by anonaname on Nov 12, 2021 23:13:39 GMT
Some expert on one of the morning shows, Rikki Klieman, said something like "The judge is trying to be fair. We rarely see the defendant get a fair trial. Damn! Have you looked up Klieman's credentials? From Wiki: "After law school Klieman was an assistant district attorney for the Middlesex County District Attorney's Office, before she joined the Boston, Massachusetts, law firm of Friedman & Atherton and then started her own private practice.[3] In 1983 she was named by Time magazine as one of the five best female attorneys in the United States.[2] From 1996 to 2003 she was a member of the faculty of Columbia Law School, and previously taught at the law school of her alma mater, Boston University.[3]" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rikki_KliemanShe's not just "some expert". |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 23:23:12 GMT
Some expert on one of the morning shows, Rikki Klieman, said something like "The judge is trying to be fair. We rarely see the defendant get a fair trial. Damn! Have you looked up Klieman's credentials? From Wiki: "After law school Klieman was an assistant district attorney for the Middlesex County District Attorney's Office, before she joined the Boston, Massachusetts, law firm of Friedman & Atherton and then started her own private practice.[3] In 1983 she was named by Time magazine as one of the five best female attorneys in the United States.[2] From 1996 to 2003 she was a member of the faculty of Columbia Law School, and previously taught at the law school of her alma mater, Boston University.[3]" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rikki_KliemanShe's not just "some expert". No I didn't. I trusted CBS to vet her as they presented her as an expert.
Now do the part where she called out how the judge is bending over backward to not bias toward the prosecution, when they usually do bias toward the prosecution.
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Post by anonaname on Nov 12, 2021 23:29:38 GMT
Damn! Have you looked up Klieman's credentials? From Wiki: "After law school Klieman was an assistant district attorney for the Middlesex County District Attorney's Office, before she joined the Boston, Massachusetts, law firm of Friedman & Atherton and then started her own private practice.[3] In 1983 she was named by Time magazine as one of the five best female attorneys in the United States.[2] From 1996 to 2003 she was a member of the faculty of Columbia Law School, and previously taught at the law school of her alma mater, Boston University.[3]" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rikki_KliemanShe's not just "some expert". No I didn't. I trusted CBS to vet her as they presented her as an expert.
Now do the part where she called out how the judge is bending over backward to not bias toward the prosecution, when they usually do bias toward the prosecution.
You're upset that the judge isn't biased towards the prosecution? LOL! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 23:31:06 GMT
No I didn't. I trusted CBS to vet her as they presented her as an expert.
Now do the part where she called out how the judge is bending over backward to not bias toward the prosecution, when they usually do bias toward the prosecution.
You're upset that the judge isn't biased towards the prosecution? LOL! I find it interesting that the judges ARE biased toward the prosecution when the defendant is black and AGAINST the prosecution when the defendant is white. Do try to catch up. |
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Post by anonaname on Nov 12, 2021 23:38:19 GMT
You're upset that the judge isn't biased towards the prosecution? LOL! I find it interesting that the judges ARE biased toward the prosecution when the defendant is black and AGAINST the prosecution when the defendant is white. Do try to catch up. A least I don't delete my comments, lol. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2021 23:50:39 GMT
I find it interesting that the judges ARE biased toward the prosecution when the defendant is black and AGAINST the prosecution when the defendant is white. Do try to catch up. A least I don't delete my comments, lol. What was that about irrelevant red herrings? Do try to at least be consistent. |
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Post by arielsmom on Nov 12, 2021 23:51:28 GMT
I don’t think anyone disputes that he *is* a racist. That’s not the issue. The issue is what does that have to do with his trial? He’s not on trial for being a racist. You can’t convict him because he’s racist. That’s not illegal.
I was not aware of those pictures of him and what you say is correct. Didn't you ask why he was being called a racist? (and his charges are not about racism.). Should we also point out that his bail was paid by my pillow guy and others, and also paid for his representation. Its been an interesting case. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2021 23:55:27 GMT
I was not aware of those pictures of him and what you say is correct. Didn't you ask why he was being called a racist? (and his charges are not about racism.). Should we also point out that his bail was paid by my pillow guy and others, and also paid for his representation. Its been an interesting case. His racist leanings certainly give a different spin to his motive in going there that night than is being portrayed by his defense team. I wonder if a motivated person could show up waving a weapon around when Kyle is out and about with his guns and racist friends, and when Kyle gets spooked and points a gun at the person to scare them off, they could shoot him and call it self defense? Not that I would condone any such vigilantism, of course … |
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Post by arielsmom on Nov 13, 2021 0:01:31 GMT
Our governor has called up 500 National Guard to help after the verdict. If Kyle walks, as is the prediction, he can arm himself as a first responder and help out! /s. His mom can drive him, if he decides to not drive, since everyone now knows he is unlicensed.
(Dh was a part time EMT, for 25 years, and never carried a weapon. It baffles us as we watch the trial why 2 people there to render aid, needed to be armed. Maybe they should have worn uniforms?)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2021 0:03:26 GMT
Our governor has called up 500 National Guard to help after the verdict. The right-wingers' dream of a race war is inching ever closer. These cases are pretexts for that violence that they all lust after. |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 13, 2021 1:22:54 GMT
I was not aware of those pictures of him and what you say is correct. Didn't you ask why he was being called a racist? (and his charges are not about racism.). Should we also point out that his bail was paid by my pillow guy and others, and also paid for his representation. Its been an interesting case. Yes that's why I said I was not aware of those pictures. What does who his bail was paid for have to do with anything? It baffles us as we watch the trial why 2 people there to render aid, needed to be armed. David Dorn was not armed in June and all he was doing was protecting the pawn shop. He's dead. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 13, 2021 1:33:24 GMT
Am I correct that he was shot by the police? Not by armed vigilantes. Corrected. I was wrong..
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2021 1:39:22 GMT
Didn't you ask why he was being called a racist? (and his charges are not about racism.). Should we also point out that his bail was paid by my pillow guy and others, and also paid for his representation. Its been an interesting case. Yes that's why I said I was not aware of those pictures. What does who his bail was paid for have to do with anything? It baffles us as we watch the trial why 2 people there to render aid, needed to be armed. David Dorn was not armed in June and all he was doing was protecting the pawn shop. He's dead. David Dorn was a retired police officer who routinely responded to alarm calls at that shop, which was owned by his friend, not a random nobody who showed up uninvited in a city in another state with his rifle to "render aid." As for who paid his bail, when your biggest financial supporters are white supremacists, someone somewhere got the message that you're one, too. Rittenhouse was not just a disinterested third party trying to keep peace. |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 13, 2021 2:02:39 GMT
Am I correct that he was shot by the police? Not by armed vigilantes. No, you are not correct. He was shot by rioters and looters. |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 13, 2021 2:07:05 GMT
Yes that's why I said I was not aware of those pictures. What does who his bail was paid for have to do with anything? David Dorn was not armed in June and all he was doing was protecting the pawn shop. He's dead. David Dorn was a retired police officer who routinely responded to alarm calls at that shop, which was owned by his friend, not a random nobody who showed up uninvited in a city in another state with his rifle to "render aid." As for who paid his bail, when your biggest financial supporters are white supremacists, someone somewhere got the message that you're one, too. Rittenhouse was not just a disinterested third party trying to keep peace. I was answering the question "why 2 people there to render aid, needed to be armed." My answer referring to David Dorn, stands. I was not aware of the pillow guy being a white supremacist either. As stated upthread "That’s not the issue. The issue is what does that have to do with his trial? He’s not on trial for being a racist. You can’t convict him because he’s racist. That’s not illegal." Rittenhouse went to help keep the car dealership and the cars from being burned to the ground. He was putting out fires set by the criminals and that's what set off the actual aggressors. (Like David Dorn who didn't protect himself and now he's dead) Putting out fires is not provoking conflict. They threatened to kill him twice, he was bashed in the head with a skateboard twice, had a running kick to the face, (the guy was off the ground completely as his feet made contact to Kyle's face), they chased him, advanced on him and pointed a gun at him. It was self defense. The video shows that. The "victim"/aggressor/witness for the prosecution testified that he only got shot after he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse. That is self defense. No matter how disgusting the beliefs of the one defending themselves are, they are still entitled to defend their life, when all they're doing is putting out literal fires and handing out band-aids or whatever he was doing with his med kit. He may be a stupid teenager with ignorant beliefs, but it was still self defense. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 13, 2021 2:08:15 GMT
Am I correct that he was shot by the police? Not by armed vigilantes. No, you are not correct. He was shot by rioters and looters. I corrected my original post! |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 13, 2021 3:10:40 GMT
anonaname - don't care. Rittenhouse is a punk, a white supremacist menace, he's guilty, and if they let him walk, he's likely to eventually become Derek Chauvin. So you are now judge and jury. You think he will turn into Chauvin so it must be so, let's string him up even though the evidence is pointing to self-defense. You've turned this into a sporting event and you are going to root for your team come hell or highwater! You are actually as bad as you think he is, you don't even see how warped your thinking is. What parts—specifically—that cycworker posted are not true? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 13, 2021 3:12:21 GMT
Clearly, you’ve never seen someone start to cry. What he did…ain’t it. But keep trying to excuse a murderer. You trumpy cultists are the worst kind of disgusting. Just horrible people. You talk about cultists, lol. Have you prayed at Lord Fauci's alter today? "Please, Father Fauci! SAVE US from natural immunity!" You know there is talk of a 4th shot, I bet you'll be first in line. And with this post—you’re not here to do anything other than stir up crap and bring on lies and bullshit. Troll. |
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Post by PLurker on Nov 13, 2021 5:06:08 GMT
Our governor has called up 500 National Guard to help after the verdict. If Kyle walks, as is the prediction, he can arm himself as a first responder and help out! /s. His mom can drive him, if he decides to not drive, since everyone now knows he is unlicensed. (Dh was a part time EMT, for 25 years, and never carried a weapon. It baffles us as we watch the trial why 2 people there to render aid, needed to be armed. Maybe they should have worn uniforms?) Unfortunately some of those jacked up, confederate flag flying pick-em-up truck driving boys with delusions of grandeur from Kenosha Co are amongst them. |
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Post by dewryce on Nov 13, 2021 7:22:24 GMT
Totally off topic, but I can’t look at Rittenhouse without seeing Alfred (the sweet janitor who interacts with Kris quite a bit) from “Miracle on 34th Street.” They couldn’t be more different.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 13, 2021 7:57:18 GMT
Clearly, you’ve never seen someone start to cry. What he did…ain’t it. But keep trying to excuse a murderer. You trumpy cultists are the worst kind of disgusting. Just horrible people. You talk about cultists, lol. Have you prayed at Lord Fauci's alter today? "Please, Father Fauci! SAVE US from natural immunity!" You know there is talk of a 4th shot, I bet you'll be first in line. above bold mine!! Sorry, but this needs to be addressed AGAIN. 10/30/21 Vaccines provides better protection than natural/having had Covid!! Vaccine offers more protection against COVID-19 than natural immunity, CDC study findsBY ALEXANDER TIN UPDATED ON: OCTOBER 29, 2021 / 7:05 PM / CBS NEWS Unvaccinated people who had survived a previous COVID-19 infection were more than five times more likely to be reinfected with the virus compared to those who were fully vaccinated with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, according to a new study published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The finding comes from data published Friday in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, examining records of adults hospitalized with COVID-19 symptoms in the agency's "VISION Network" of hospitals spanning nine states. The study's authors said their findings showed "vaccine-induced immunity was more protective than infection-induced immunity" among patients who had their first bout of the disease or were vaccinated three to six months earlier. "We now have additional evidence that reaffirms the importance of COVID-19 vaccines, even if you have had prior infection. This study adds more to the body of knowledge demonstrating the protection of vaccines against severe disease from COVID-19," CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said in a statement. www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine-protection-covid-19-natural-immunity-cdc-study/anonaname pixiechick |
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2021 12:02:04 GMT
David Dorn was a retired police officer who routinely responded to alarm calls at that shop, which was owned by his friend, not a random nobody who showed up uninvited in a city in another state with his rifle to "render aid." As for who paid his bail, when your biggest financial supporters are white supremacists, someone somewhere got the message that you're one, too. Rittenhouse was not just a disinterested third party trying to keep peace. I was answering the question "why 2 people there to render aid, needed to be armed." My answer referring to David Dorn, stands. I was not aware of the pillow guy being a white supremacist either. As stated upthread "That’s not the issue. The issue is what does that have to do with his trial? He’s not on trial for being a racist. You can’t convict him because he’s racist. That’s not illegal." Rittenhouse went to help keep the car dealership and the cars from being burned to the ground. He was putting out fires set by the criminals and that's what set off the actual aggressors. (Like David Dorn who didn't protect himself and now he's dead) Putting out fires is not provoking conflict. They threatened to kill him twice, he was bashed in the head with a skateboard twice, had a running kick to the face, (the guy was off the ground completely as his feet made contact to Kyle's face), they chased him, advanced on him and pointed a gun at him. It was self defense. The video shows that. The "victim"/aggressor/witness for the prosecution testified that he only got shot after he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse. That is self defense. No matter how disgusting the beliefs of the one defending themselves are, they are still entitled to defend their life, when all they're doing is putting out literal fires and handing out band-aids or whatever he was doing with his med kit. He may be a stupid teenager with ignorant beliefs, but it was still self defense. The thing is that he was not equipped to be there. He was not trained to protect someone's property in a volatile situation. He went in, in his arrogance and delusion, the big man with the gun, thinking he could "help." He has no training in avoiding conflict. He has no training in de-escalation. In addition having no training in these things, there's evidence that his mindset was one of racial hostility toward the people protesting. He was, unfortunately, encouraged in his delusion by the local police department. He was a vigilante who, due to arrogance and hubris, ended up helping no one and instead killed two people. David Dorn's situation, while tragic, has nothing to do with this. He went in unarmed because he had a history and background in actual law enforcement and a commitment to his community to try to de-escalate those situations and keep young men out of prison. Yes, he paid the biggest price and it's tragic. But it's not remotely related to a young, arrogant punk named Kyle Rittenhouse who took a big gun into a volatile situation and made it worse. I guess to me it comes down to whether two wrongs make a right. Looting is wrong. The appropriate response is for law enforcement to use proven tactics to de-escalate the situation and restore peace. Sending in and encouraging armed vigilantes to "protect" properties is also wrong. That's not how our justice system works. Kyle made very stupid choices. The first, worst choice, was to be there at all. He didn't know what he was doing. He made things worse. People died. The fact that our legal system may well let him skate on that is not evidence of his innocence. It's evidence of the brokenness of our system. |
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