luckyexwife
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Post by luckyexwife on Nov 10, 2021 20:43:06 GMT
Is anyone watching the trial? Thoughts?
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PLurker
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Post by PLurker on Nov 10, 2021 20:44:56 GMT
In a nut shell, he deserves everything that he should get but may not. What a piece of work, to put it mildly.
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Post by arielsmom on Nov 10, 2021 21:58:08 GMT
Listened to him testify this am. He comes across as such a boy scout. What a dbag. Dropped out of school, drives himself to work, no license, etc, etc.
He should have stayed home and played his video games....
So many families affected by this tragedy.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 10, 2021 22:02:55 GMT
I think the judge seems biased. Can’t call victims victims? Come on.
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Post by ntsf on Nov 10, 2021 22:10:23 GMT
I think the judge is doing a lousy job and I don't believe anything out of that kid's mouth.. and really? can't trust pinch zooming?
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Post by mom on Nov 10, 2021 22:38:16 GMT
I’m not watching today but did watch previous days. My opinion is Gages testimony helped Rittenhouse more than anyone thought it would and I can see him being acquitted.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Nov 10, 2021 22:40:53 GMT
I’m not watching today but did watch previous days. My opinion is Gages testimony helped Rittenhouse more than anyone thought it would and I can see him being acquitted. I was surprised the prosecution used him as a witness. I wonder if they knew he was going to say that Rittenhouse shot him in self-defense?
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edie3
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Post by edie3 on Nov 10, 2021 23:16:56 GMT
He is a sniveling little punk ass. When he was crying, all I could think was who's the tough guy now that you don't have your Ar-15.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 10, 2021 23:42:21 GMT
I saw part of it today when he was being questioned by the prosecutor and he really doesn’t make a great witness. What a punk ass douchebag.
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Post by arielsmom on Nov 10, 2021 23:49:54 GMT
Defense is asking for a mistrial with prejudice, meaning Kyle walks free, no retry. What the hell!? That will provoke more rioting, imo.
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jayfab
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Post by jayfab on Nov 10, 2021 23:54:43 GMT
Typical privileged brat. Curfew doesn't apply to me, driving without a license doesn't apply to me etc, etc, etc.
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Post by myshelly on Nov 10, 2021 23:54:44 GMT
Defense is asking for a mistrial with prejudice, meaning Kyle walks free, no retry. What the hell!? That will provoke more rioting, imo. The prosecutors got in big trouble in court today. People should prepare for riots. I just don’t see a guilty verdict happening with the way the judge has worded things thus far and the laughably terrible job of the prosecution. Did you see the pictures of the prosecutor burying his face in his hands after witness testimony yesterday? You never, ever do that in court.
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Post by Merge on Nov 11, 2021 0:12:36 GMT
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Post by mom on Nov 11, 2021 0:16:13 GMT
Defense is asking for a mistrial with prejudice, meaning Kyle walks free, no retry. What the hell!? That will provoke more rioting, imo. Yes it will bring more riots. But we don’t find people guilty just because there might be riots. Honestly the prosecutor has botched this trial so big I doubt a jury will find him guilty. And they shouldn’t of the prosecution didn’t prove their case.
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Post by arielsmom on Nov 11, 2021 0:29:20 GMT
Defense is asking for a mistrial with prejudice, meaning Kyle walks free, no retry. What the hell!? That will provoke more rioting, imo. Yes it will bring more riots. But we don’t find people guilty just because there might be riots. Honestly the prosecutor has botched this trial so big I doubt a jury will find him guilty. And they shouldn’t of the prosecution didn’t prove their case. If it goes to mistrial, I think it should be retried. The current judge has set some strange parameters, such as verbage when referring to the men that were shot. Social media posts Kyle made can't be shown.
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Post by mom on Nov 11, 2021 1:01:12 GMT
I’m not watching today but did watch previous days. My opinion is Gages testimony helped Rittenhouse more than anyone thought it would and I can see him being acquitted. I was surprised the prosecution used him as a witness. I wonder if they knew he was going to say that Rittenhouse shot him in self-defense? I seriously doubt they knew (but they should have).
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 11, 2021 1:43:38 GMT
Defense is asking for a mistrial with prejudice, meaning Kyle walks free, no retry. What the hell!? That will provoke more rioting, imo. The prosecutors got in big trouble in court today. People should prepare for riots. I just don’t see a guilty verdict happening with the way the judge has worded things thus far and the laughably terrible job of the prosecution. Did you see the pictures of the prosecutor burying his face in his hands after witness testimony yesterday? You never, ever do that in court. The prosecutor absolutely sucks at his job. I just watched him question Rittenhouse and he accidentally proved that he wasn't just shooting at anyone who was shooting off their gun, but that he was only reacting to personal threats. That wasn't the prosecutor's intention. He was so focused on his line of questioning and steering it a certain way that I'm not even sure if he realized that he did that. If I had come in at that point I would have thought he was the defense.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 11, 2021 3:33:16 GMT
From my completely inexperienced perspective, it seems like the prosecutors are doing a terrible job. I also think the judge might be biased or at least making things unfairly challenging for the prosecution. The defense can use the terms rioters and looters but prosecution can't use victims? And some of the evidence he excluded seems relevant. Also, this doesn't seem very impartial. At least the jury didn't hear. www.npr.org/2021/11/10/1054313132/kyle-rittenhouse-testimony-kenoshaWednesday's clashes between Binger and Judge Schroeder were the latest in what has at times been a challenging trial for prosecutors. Schroeder's first admonishment came for "borderline" questions by Binger that, in the judge's view, veered too close to undermining Rittenhouse's right to remain silent. Later, Binger referred to an incident from earlier in the evening of Aug. 25 that Schroeder had previously ruled inadmissible. Both times, the judge excused the jury in order to admonish Binger, at times growing heated and raising his voice in frustration.
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 11, 2021 3:51:22 GMT
Here's the information I have for you: prosecutors are not used to having to be good at their jobs or pleasing the judge, often. They usually have the sympathy of the judge and are prosecuting someone without resources. It's a fact-based running joke among defense attorneys that prosecutors don't know how to cross-examine witnesses.
Honestly what you are watching is a judge treating the prosecutor like they normally treat the defense attorney. We have to ask permission before we do absolutely everything or the judge will take our heads off.
Also what you are seeing is that self-defense law in this country has gone far off of its original form, which was that if you provoked a conflict you could not claim self-defense.
Anyhow, the thing is that the absolute best version of events here is that a minor with terrible judgment was driven by an adult with terrible judgment to a place he had no business being with a gun he had no business carrying, and is now being enabled by adults with a gross political agenda. No matter what happens here, I think it is going to be very difficult to rehabilitate him into a force for good.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 11, 2021 4:29:25 GMT
Here's the information I have for you: prosecutors are not used to having to be good at their jobs or pleasing the judge, often. They usually have the sympathy of the judge and are prosecuting someone without resources. It's a fact-based running joke among defense attorneys that prosecutors don't know how to cross-examine witnesses. Honestly what you are watching is a judge treating the prosecutor like they normally treat the defense attorney. We have to ask permission before we do absolutely everything or the judge will take our heads off. Also what you are seeing is that self-defense law in this country has gone far off of its original form, which was that if you provoked a conflict you could not claim self-defense. Anyhow, the thing is that the absolute best version of events here is that a minor with terrible judgment was driven by an adult with terrible judgment to a place he had no business being with a gun he had no business carrying, and is now being enabled by adults with a gross political agenda. No matter what happens here, I think it is going to be very difficult to rehabilitate him into a force for good. Did Rittenhouse provoke a conflict?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 11, 2021 16:23:50 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 11, 2021 16:36:58 GMT
Shocked!!! No not really any more... Civil rights attorney stunned Rittenhouse judge’s phone ringtone is Trump theme song David Badash, The New Civil Rights Movement November 11, 2021 Wednesday afternoon many were stunned when Judge Schroeder's phone went off in the middle of the trial. Schroeder quickly grabbed it and angrily turned the ringer off, but as several noted, his ringtone is the same song Donald Trump used as his theme song at his MAGA rallies, known to some as "Proud to be an American," officially "God Bless the U.S.A." Civil rights attorney Timothy Welbeck, the Director of the Center for Anti-Racism Research, and an Assistant Professor of Instruction at Temple University, called it "outrageous." "This is outrageous," he tweeted in response to a video of Judge Schroeder's phone ringing. "Aside from the obnoxious disruption it causes (I've seen judges threaten defendants and witnesses with jail time when their cell phones rang during court proceedings), it further reveals Judge Schroeder's potential for bias in this matter and related ones." www.rawstory.com/rittenhouse-judge/
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Post by katlady on Nov 11, 2021 17:16:43 GMT
I don't think the prosecution is doing a good job, but I do think the judge is biased. Today's news is that he won't allow a video to be enlarged because "pinch to zoom" alters the original content of the video. WTH?!
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Nov 11, 2021 17:37:24 GMT
Unfuckingbelievable
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 11, 2021 17:39:20 GMT
Ok, sure…
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oh yvonne
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Post by oh yvonne on Nov 11, 2021 17:41:30 GMT
I don't think the prosecution is doing a good job, but I do think the judge is biased. Today's news is that he won't allow a video to be enlarged because "pinch to zoom" alters the original content of the video. WTH?! that man needs to be dis-whatever you do to a judge. Disbarred? IDK. W I T A F is this ridiculousness!
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 11, 2021 18:20:50 GMT
Is it just me or is this a somewhat sympathetic take on this kid?
I have no sympathy for any kid that thinks an AR.15 is cool so he buys one illegally and takes to a protest so he could play cop.
From The New York Times
“Kyle Rittenhouse arrived in downtown Kenosha on Aug. 25, 2020, with at least one mission in mind: to play the role of police officer and medic, joining a group of other armed civilians roaming the city streets, offering medical attention to strangers and protecting buildings from rioters.
The night would end with Mr. Rittenhouse, then 17, engaging in violence himself, fatally shooting two men and wounding another. Hours later, he turned himself in to the police in Illinois, where he lived.
For much of his life, Mr. Rittenhouse had tried on identities infused with bravery and service, while exaggerating his accomplishments and eventually dropping out of high school.
He had idolized law enforcement since he was young, joining a cadet program for at-risk youths in his hometown, Antioch, Ill., and later decorating his social media pages with Blue Lives Matter images and praise for former President Donald J. Trump. At the time of the shootings, Mr. Rittenhouse was employed part-time as a lifeguard at a recreational complex in Pleasant Prairie, Wis., which borders Kenosha.”
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anonaname
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Post by anonaname on Nov 11, 2021 18:22:23 GMT
Is it just me or is this a somewhat sympathetic take on this kid? I have no sympathy for any kid that thinks an AR.15 is cool so he buys one illegally and takes to a protest so he could play cop. From The New York Times “Kyle Rittenhouse arrived in downtown Kenosha on Aug. 25, 2020, with at least one mission in mind: to play the role of police officer and medic, joining a group of other armed civilians roaming the city streets, offering medical attention to strangers and protecting buildings from rioters. The night would end with Mr. Rittenhouse, then 17, engaging in violence himself, fatally shooting two men and wounding another. Hours later, he turned himself in to the police in Illinois, where he lived. For much of his life, Mr. Rittenhouse had tried on identities infused with bravery and service, while exaggerating his accomplishments and eventually dropping out of high school. He had idolized law enforcement since he was young, joining a cadet program for at-risk youths in his hometown, Antioch, Ill., and later decorating his social media pages with Blue Lives Matter images and praise for former President Donald J. Trump. At the time of the shootings, Mr. Rittenhouse was employed part-time as a lifeguard at a recreational complex in Pleasant Prairie, Wis., which borders Kenosha.” It's just you.
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Post by myshelly on Nov 11, 2021 18:51:45 GMT
The result wouldn’t be different with a different judge.
People are basing feelings and opinions on the whole of the story, but the story is very different from the actual narrow legal question that is being adjudicated at trial.
At trial, it doesn’t matter why he went there. It doesn’t matter that he crossed state lines. It doesn’t matter why he had the weapon.
Literally all that matters is did he reasonably believe that he was in danger at that moment and the clear answer is yes.
Now clearly, when people are forming their opinions they’re going to argue that he wouldn’t have been in danger if he hadn’t put himself in that situation, but in this trial, that doesn’t matter.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 11, 2021 19:12:49 GMT
However, the judge does make a major difference in the outcome.
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