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Post by trixiecat on Nov 30, 2021 12:47:32 GMT
I am so sorry to hear this. Any type of death of a young person is horrible. One month ago one of our neighbors had a son who was a senior in high school that died unexpectedly. In an article I read, the boys' friends said they were going to step up and be the big brother now to his 16 year old sister. I drove by their house the other day and those boys were out front with the father putting up all of their Christmas lights. I find it so touching what they are doing. Maybe there is a way at some point for his classmates to rally around the family.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 30, 2021 12:49:37 GMT
so they just don’t understand the why Legacygirl said this and I think this is a good explanation: My answer to the "why" question may sound cold to anyone who has never experienced depression for themselves or supported a loved one through it, but unfortunately, it's truthful. The answer is because depression is a dark and devastating illness that defies logic and so often goes diagnosed in young people due to fear, lack of information and stigma. I have been through 4 suicide attempts with my own DD. And this is the answer. It is going to sound cold, but I don't mean it to be. I would suffer from the loss of my DD just like any parent would if I lost her. However, I have made peace with the suicide angle and I think a lot of people don't understand unless they are mentally ill themselves. I suffer from bipolar disorder. There have been many times when I wanted to take my own life. I have never attempted, but I've been tempted. I have thought for many years (up until my own child attempted) that suicide would be the way I died. Because I thought eventually, the depression and the impulsivity would get me. The last time my child was hospitalized with a suicide attempt was the worst attempt so far. I prayed and prayed to God. Not for saving, but for peace. That if my child was going to survive, that God would give her the strength to be able to find some kind of peace. And that if she was never going to find peace, I would understand if she never woke up. I realize that my reaction doesn't sound typical to people who are brain neutral. They can only seem to focus on a life cut short. What they can't seem to wrap their brains around is living a life that is so tortured, that death seems like the only option to stop the misery. From my own angle, I don't understand why as a society, we can understand the idea of someone who has cancer and is suffering, death brings peace for them. But we can't see the same for suicide. And I say this as a person who is very educated about mental health, has incredibly good health insurance coverage and access to mental health services, intervened with my children very early (the DD that has attempted has been under treatment since 13), and still works to advocate for and educated my children about the possibilities that they have in regard to mental health care. I am living proof for them that there are options for control. I am a role model for how to have a successful life with mental health treatment and despite everything I've listed above, I still cannot stop my own child from attempting suicide. I also cannot stop my own depression at times which make me want to attempt suicide myself. I think this is very key for people to understand. Especially people who have not dealt with mental health issues need to know that it's forgivable if you don't see it coming as a parent. Because despite all my experience, there have been times when I did not see it coming either. The underlying risk is constant there for my child. I fully accept that it may happen again. But only by accepting that it's not under my control can I sleep at night and not move around this world with extreme anxiety and worry. So I would be very careful about the sentiments you express to your DD or to the loved ones of this boy. They are all most likely grappling with the why and they really shouldn't be. It just makes their pain so much harder to deal with. I would treat this the same way you would if the boy had been dying of cancer. Because that is the way I choose to look at it with my own child. This depression is a cancer. It is an ongoing, pervasive illness that we may never get a hold of. Or even if we do for a time, it may come back and rear it's ugly head again. I can't control my child's mental health. There are times when I can't control my own. And I refuse to take on the extra burden of guilt, shame, devastation or (insert the common feelings brain neutral people have about death by suicide) because a suicide death is really no different than a cancer death. I understand, too, that if you haven't experienced this yourself that this may seem foreign to you. Or that my response may seem cold. I promise you it's not cold and it hasn't distanced me from my children and it hasn't stopped me from advocating for their mental health. It's just that I've accepted that this may happen and it was not my fault. Nor would it be unexpected.
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Post by mikklynn on Nov 30, 2021 13:32:35 GMT
I'm so sorry. It's so hard to process, even after years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 14:08:48 GMT
How tragic I'm so sorry.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Nov 30, 2021 14:49:54 GMT
As a friend's counselor recently told her, when difficult things happen, it's often better not to wrestle with the "whys" that may remain unanswered; instead, she said, we can ask ourselves, "What will I do next?" A wise approach. I'm sorry for your daughter's loss. It's a difficult thing to wrestle with.
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Post by Laurie on Nov 30, 2021 15:27:40 GMT
so they just don’t understand the why Legacygirl said this and I think this is a good explanation: My answer to the "why" question may sound cold to anyone who has never experienced depression for themselves or supported a loved one through it, but unfortunately, it's truthful. The answer is because depression is a dark and devastating illness that defies logic and so often goes diagnosed in young people due to fear, lack of information and stigma. So I would be very careful about the sentiments you express to your DD or to the loved ones of this boy. They are all most likely grappling with the why and they really shouldn't be. It just makes their pain so much harder to deal with. I would treat this the same way you would if the boy had been dying of cancer. Because that is the way I choose to look at it with my own child. This depression is a cancer. It is an ongoing, pervasive illness that we may never get a hold of. Or even if we do for a time, it may come back and rear it's ugly head again. I can't control my child's mental health. There are times when I can't control my own. And I refuse to take on the extra burden of guilt, shame, devastation or (insert the common feelings brain neutral people have about death by suicide) because a suicide death is really no different than a cancer death. I understand, too, that if you haven't experienced this yourself that this may seem foreign to you. Or that my response may seem cold. I promise you it's not cold and it hasn't distanced me from my children and it hasn't stopped me from advocating for their mental health. It's just that I've accepted that this may happen and it was not my fault. Nor would it be unexpected. Thank you for your post. I understand it and in hs had 2 friends attempt. I remember at the time not understanding why but with age I am able to understand mental health diseases better. She couldn't sleep last night so she was messaging me and "the why" that she is struggling with is in regards to that he was always so happy and funny. Now they are all wishing that they knew he was masking a pain so they could have helped. She kept saying what if someone else is going through this and I don't even know the pain they are in or that they need help. We spent a few hours with her last night and it was tough. We let her lead any talks on him and at first she would randomly say something. About an hour later she said something, I replied and she mumbled I don't want to talk about it anymore. Dh wasn't nearby and didn't hear so he tried to talk and she sorta snapped at us saying I said I don't want to talk about it anymore. So we just sat there being present for her if she wanted to talk about anything. I am worried about her. She was home last weekend for Thanksgiving and she was already stressing over this week. She has a lab exam today, pre-calc exam on Wednesday, her birthday is Thursday and then on Friday she has an exam in both biology and chemistry. On Sunday she sat down and made a detailed schedule for this week so she had some direction on where to start rather than feeling overwhelmed. Last night while we were there she tried to study but was clearly zoned out for most of the time. I understand that it would be hard to focus right now but I worry that she is going to be overwhelmed between trying to process this death and also falling behind on studying. She has anxiety and has a rx for a med she takes daily. Last Friday she went to take one and it was her last one. She didn't realize she couldn't get a refill so had to wait until yesterday morning when she could call the clinic asking for them to send another refill. She just started taking it last month so hopefully missing 2 days doesn't cause too many problems because she was starting to see the benefit of taking it. I called her this am asking her how she was doing and she said she didn't want to go to lab and just wanted to sleep. She has about 3 hours between lab and her class so I told her after her lab to take a nap. She replied I can't. I have too much studying to do. I feel helpless trying to navigate her through this tough week ahead of her.
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Post by Anita on Nov 30, 2021 15:41:48 GMT
Oh, how awful. They will never truly know why, and it will take them a long time to come to terms with the fact that they could not have changed the outcome. I just wish them peace.
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Post by quinlove on Nov 30, 2021 15:53:49 GMT
((( Laurie ))) As always, Jeremysgirl said it with a lot of heartfelt, knowledgeable information.
At this horrible, devastating point - you and the other parents must focus on your own children right now. As young people, they are not totally capable of coping with all of this right now - are we ever ? It’s a normal reaction to be questioning the why. No one will ever, unfortunately, know that answer. The affected students need extra special TLC and understanding.
God Bless Us All. ❤️
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Post by hop2 on Nov 30, 2021 15:59:12 GMT
I am so sorry
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