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Post by onelasttime on Dec 20, 2021 2:39:32 GMT
Bolded paragraph from a briefing by the White House COVID-19 response team? The entire briefing.. link“Our vaccines work against Omicron, especially for people who get booster shots when they are eligible. If you are vaccinated, you could test positive. But if you do get COVID, your case will likely be asymptomatic or mild. We are intent on not letting Omicron disrupt work and school for the vaccinated. You’ve done the right thing, and we will get through this. For the unvaccinated, you’re looking at a winter of severe illness and death for yourselves, your families, and the hospitals you may soon overwhelm.”
It seem some on twitter do.. One response was all upset because the unvaccinated, in their mind, included children who are to young to get vaccinated. A responsible person knows the paragraph, while stark, was aimed at those who can get vaccinated but chose not to. And no where does that paragraph say anything about leaving the unvaccinated to die. |
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 20, 2021 2:42:37 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 20, 2021 2:45:46 GMT
It sounds accurate.
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Post by Jen in NCal on Dec 20, 2021 2:47:39 GMT
I 100% agree with the statement but I don't think a WH briefing is an appropriate place to make it.
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 20, 2021 2:59:23 GMT
I 100% agree with the statement but I don't think a WH briefing is an appropriate place to make it. Why? It’s factual and stark reality. It’s been almost a year. They’ve tried other approaches - asking nicely, mandating and still failed to reach these people. Why should their feelings be spared of the reality of the situation they now face? By choice. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 20, 2021 3:04:59 GMT
Factual!
They are claiming Biden is doing a worse job than former. So Biden is taking action and giving the facts.
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Post by peasquared on Dec 20, 2021 3:11:27 GMT
The Biden administration has played nice too long. This is sadly necessary.
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Post by AussieMeg on Dec 20, 2021 4:20:06 GMT
"For the unvaccinated, you’re looking at a winter of severe illness and death for yourselves, your families, and the hospitals you may soon overwhelm.”
So where is the lie?
This Joshua Potash bloke lacks reading comprehension in a big way. Nowhere does it say that the unvaccinated will be "left to die".
Also, from what I have read, it isn't an official statement from the White House. It was a statement from Jeff Zients from the COVID taskforce.
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Post by sideways on Dec 20, 2021 4:43:26 GMT
So, the same people who liked trump because he supposedly “tells it like it is” are now clutching their pearls because someone cut through the bullshit and told it like it is.
Sounds about right. 🙄
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 20, 2021 5:16:48 GMT
Maybe they are just so used to all the absolutely ridiculous lies that now they really can’t handle the truth.
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Post by hookturnian on Dec 20, 2021 6:19:23 GMT
"Facts don't care about your feelings"
- Ben Shapiro
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Post by fiddlesticks on Dec 20, 2021 6:23:28 GMT
It’s the truth. Hard truth. But truth nonetheless.
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Post by cycworker on Dec 20, 2021 6:48:51 GMT
No problem with it at all. About time these folks got some cold, hard reality.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Dec 20, 2021 8:28:48 GMT
Who’s being snowflakes now?
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Post by KiwiJo on Dec 20, 2021 8:45:51 GMT
I wish our government would release a statement like that instead of pussy-footing around. When people make choices they must accept the consequences, and being told of the consequences in no uncertain terms helps with informed choices.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 9:05:30 GMT
Rip the damn bandaid off!
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Post by sueg on Dec 20, 2021 10:32:54 GMT
The then Health minister of Germany said something similar about a month ago. Playing on Germany's '3G' rules (geimpft, genesen getestet - vaxxed, recovered, tested), he said 'we may well see a new definition of 3G by the end of winter - geimpft, genesen, gestorben - vaxxed, recovered or dead'
He was also derided for his comments, with many misinterpreting it to mean he thought that all unvaccinated people would be dead by the end of winter. His meaning was, that by the end of winter he expected that all unvaccinated people were likely to have had covid, and therefore would be recovered, if they survived.
I feel in both cases, the bluntness is probably necessary. Omicron is going to run amok in the coming weeks, and it will be very hard to avoid, even for people being really careful about contacts and hygiene.
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Post by chances on Dec 20, 2021 12:28:10 GMT
My problem with this statement is that it places blame too broadly. A little precision goes a long way. Children and others who can’t get vaccinated aren’t purposefully dying and overwhelming hospitals. It should have specified, “For those who chose not to get vaccinated you’re looking at a winter of… and the harm done to those who don’t have a choice in the matter.”
Also, the extra congratulatory “you did the right thing, we’re gonna make it through” also glosses over a lot of variation in how vaccinated people behave. Some don’t see the need to mask, get boosters, or social distance. That’s also not helping.
I’m all for telling it like it is, but I think this misses the mark.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 12:32:48 GMT
I wish he would of used voluntarily unvaccinated. However in this situation those who are not vaccinated regardless if they are unable still face contracting the virus and succumbing to the effects of it.
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Post by lisae on Dec 20, 2021 12:49:02 GMT
While this seems the most likely scenario, we still don't know for sure how bad Omicron will be for the unvaccinated. And I think it will be a rough winter for all of us even those with boosters because even a little sickness in a huge population is going to make it difficult to get basic supplies and medical care.
The administration is betting everything on vaccines - which a significant percentage of people just won't get no matter what - and on testing. If they won't get vaccinated, what makes anyone think they will test in advance of gatherings or test if they have mild symptoms or stay home if they test positive and feel well enough to go out.
Biden and his staff need to face the fact that people just aren't going to be sensible. Whether they say it or not, they need a contingency for rationing healthcare and maybe that is what he is saying. What if Omicron that we know makes even the vaccinated sick, makes so many people sick that hospitals have to choose who to care for? Who will be the priority? What about lockdowns? Biden has said he won't do that but I think he is making a mistake to take that off the table. If enough people get even a mild illness, we won't have enough people working to provide food, government, and transportation services.
Many parts of Biden's response are good. They would have largely worked if their wasn't so much resistance from some people (and they are not all Republicans). But he needs to face the fact that he can't vaccinate and test his way out of this. There has to be more to the plan.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 20, 2021 13:45:09 GMT
While this seems the most likely scenario, we still don't know for sure how bad Omicron will be for the unvaccinated. And I think it will be a rough winter for all of us even those with boosters because even a little sickness in a huge population is going to make it difficult to get basic supplies and medical care. The administration is betting everything on vaccines - which a significant percentage of people just won't get no matter what - and on testing. If they won't get vaccinated, what makes anyone think they will test in advance of gatherings or test if they have mild symptoms or stay home if they test positive and feel well enough to go out. Biden and his staff need to face the fact that people just aren't going to be sensible. Whether they say it or not, they need a contingency for rationing healthcare and maybe that is what he is saying. What if Omicron that we know makes even the vaccinated sick, makes so many people sick that hospitals have to choose who to care for? Who will be the priority? What about lockdowns? Biden has said he won't do that but I think he is making a mistake to take that off the table. If enough people get even a mild illness, we won't have enough people working to provide food, government, and transportation services. Many parts of Biden's response are good. They would have largely worked if their wasn't so much resistance from some people (and they are not all Republicans). But he needs to face the fact that he can't vaccinate and test his way out of this. There has to be more to the plan. I’m curious what that plan should be? I keep hearing that people think that Biden is handling the virus poorly, but I think that needs to be looked into more closely. Is it that people are just done with Covid and since it hasn’t gone away, they are placing blame on Biden? Or do they blame him for people not being vaccinated? Or do they disagree with the mandates? What else do you think could be done at this point? Other countries, states and cities are putting more restrictions on their citizens but is that even an option country wide in the US? Doesn’t seem like that would go over well. I’m curious what others think he should be doing differently. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 20, 2021 13:48:00 GMT
My problem with this statement is that it places blame too broadly. A little precision goes a long way. Children and others who can’t get vaccinated aren’t purposefully dying and overwhelming hospitals. It should have specified, “For those who chose not to get vaccinated you’re looking at a winter of… and the harm done to those who don’t have a choice in the matter.” Also, the extra congratulatory “you did the right thing, we’re gonna make it through” also glosses over a lot of variation in how vaccinated people behave. Some don’t see the need to mask, get boosters, or social distance. That’s also not helping. I’m all for telling it like it is, but I think this misses the mark. While I agree, I think that those who are taking great umbrage over the wording—when pretty much every adult knows exactly what was meant. It’s not loads of children taking up hospital beds. It’s unvaccinated adults who are putting a burden on our medical system. It’s adults who are choosing—for political reasons (because they’re definitely not following medical or science) who are making it hard for everyone over their “freedom”. They’re causing loss of freedoms, running people out of business, overwhelming, bullying, and just being plain ignorant about this virus. They’re the ones always using alternative comparisons “oh cancer kills” “people die from hiking” “obesity kills” and other bullshit distractions. They know damn well what was meant, however since it’s the reality—the cold hard truth that they don’t like, they’re going to try to gaslight it away like everything else and shift the blame/cause away from those who refuse to take it seriously and get vaccinated. I’m so sick to death of dumb people. |
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 20, 2021 14:32:33 GMT
While this seems the most likely scenario, we still don't know for sure how bad Omicron will be for the unvaccinated. And I think it will be a rough winter for all of us even those with boosters because even a little sickness in a huge population is going to make it difficult to get basic supplies and medical care. The administration is betting everything on vaccines - which a significant percentage of people just won't get no matter what - and on testing. If they won't get vaccinated, what makes anyone think they will test in advance of gatherings or test if they have mild symptoms or stay home if they test positive and feel well enough to go out. Biden and his staff need to face the fact that people just aren't going to be sensible. Whether they say it or not, they need a contingency for rationing healthcare and maybe that is what he is saying. What if Omicron that we know makes even the vaccinated sick, makes so many people sick that hospitals have to choose who to care for? Who will be the priority? What about lockdowns? Biden has said he won't do that but I think he is making a mistake to take that off the table. If enough people get even a mild illness, we won't have enough people working to provide food, government, and transportation services. Many parts of Biden's response are good. They would have largely worked if their wasn't so much resistance from some people (and they are not all Republicans). But he needs to face the fact that he can't vaccinate and test his way out of this. There has to be more to the plan. What should that plan be? The 64,000 question, I know. But if you feel this way, you surely have some thoughts on what it should be? Because given all the stumbling blocks stated, I’m not really sure *what* it would be. Especially looking at others countries approach. |
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 20, 2021 14:35:00 GMT
I wish he would of used voluntarily unvaccinated. However in this situation those who are not vaccinated regardless if they are unable still face contracting the virus and succumbing to the effects of it. I think that’s a heads up to those who are immune compromised or unable to be vaccinated people that they might need to consider taking extra precautions to protect themselves again. Which is unfairly maddening. 🥺 |
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 20, 2021 14:36:08 GMT
While this seems the most likely scenario, we still don't know for sure how bad Omicron will be for the unvaccinated. And I think it will be a rough winter for all of us even those with boosters because even a little sickness in a huge population is going to make it difficult to get basic supplies and medical care. The administration is betting everything on vaccines - which a significant percentage of people just won't get no matter what - and on testing. If they won't get vaccinated, what makes anyone think they will test in advance of gatherings or test if they have mild symptoms or stay home if they test positive and feel well enough to go out. Biden and his staff need to face the fact that people just aren't going to be sensible. Whether they say it or not, they need a contingency for rationing healthcare and maybe that is what he is saying. What if Omicron that we know makes even the vaccinated sick, makes so many people sick that hospitals have to choose who to care for? Who will be the priority? What about lockdowns? Biden has said he won't do that but I think he is making a mistake to take that off the table. If enough people get even a mild illness, we won't have enough people working to provide food, government, and transportation services. Many parts of Biden's response are good. They would have largely worked if their wasn't so much resistance from some people (and they are not all Republicans). But he needs to face the fact that he can't vaccinate and test his way out of this. There has to be more to the plan. I’m curious what that plan should be? I keep hearing that people think that Biden is handling the virus poorly, but I think that needs to be looked into more closely. Is it that people are just done with Covid and since it hasn’t gone away, they are placing blame on Biden? Or do they blame him for people not being vaccinated? Or do they disagree with the mandates? What else do you think could be done at this point? Other countries, states and cities are putting more restrictions on their citizens but is that even an option country wide in the US? Doesn’t seem like that would go over well. I’m curious what others think he should be doing differently. Agreed. Unfortunately, the kind of stuff that’s worked in other countries to increase the vaxx rates, could never work here. |
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Post by mikklynn on Dec 20, 2021 14:36:39 GMT
Fuck the willfully unvaccinated and their feelings. My medically fragile DH was admitted to the hospital last night with an infection, but spent the entire night in the ER waiting for a bed. He's still there. At the same time my elderly father with late stage Parkinsons was taken to their local hospital by ambulance. He was sent home, because again, no beds. Thank God my brother drove the 2 hours to get there, because my dad can't walk from the garage to the house and my 84 year old mother can't get him in the house.
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 20, 2021 14:42:16 GMT
Fuck the willfully unvaccinated and their feelings. My medically fragile DH was admitted to the hospital last night with an infection, but spent the entire night in the ER waiting for a bed. He's still there. At the same time my elderly father with late stage Parkinsons was taken to their local hospital by ambulance. He was sent home, because again, no beds. Thank God my brother drove the 2 hours to get there, because my dad can't walk from the garage to the house and my 84 year old mother can't get him in the house. I’m sorry.  it’s really upsetting knowing people who truly need care aren’t being able to access it. |
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 20, 2021 14:43:31 GMT
"Facts don't care about your feelings" - Ben Shapiro Yep.  |
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Post by SockMonkey on Dec 20, 2021 16:55:36 GMT
My problem with this statement is that it places blame too broadly. A little precision goes a long way. Children and others who can’t get vaccinated aren’t purposefully dying and overwhelming hospitals. It should have specified, “For those who chose not to get vaccinated you’re looking at a winter of… and the harm done to those who don’t have a choice in the matter.” Also, the extra congratulatory “you did the right thing, we’re gonna make it through” also glosses over a lot of variation in how vaccinated people behave. Some don’t see the need to mask, get boosters, or social distance. That’s also not helping. I’m all for telling it like it is, but I think this misses the mark. I agree. I've been very vocal about not giving a hot fuck about people who CHOOSE not to be vaccinated, but the reality is that there are people with kids under 5 and those who truly CANNOT be vaccinated (few, but real). I wish that a few well placed words would have been added, as described above. And, I agree that even the vaccinated are out in these COVID streets making poor choices at times. Basically, everything you said, chances ! |
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Post by kate on Dec 20, 2021 17:04:11 GMT
Fuck the willfully unvaccinated and their feelings. My medically fragile DH was admitted to the hospital last night with an infection, but spent the entire night in the ER waiting for a bed. He's still there. At the same time my elderly father with late stage Parkinsons was taken to their local hospital by ambulance. He was sent home, because again, no beds. Thank God my brother drove the 2 hours to get there, because my dad can't walk from the garage to the house and my 84 year old mother can't get him in the house. I am so very sorry. My family has some similar situations, and it makes me want to scream. |
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it’s really upsetting knowing people who truly need care aren’t being able to access it. 
