MorningPerson
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Post by MorningPerson on Dec 20, 2021 17:12:47 GMT
Fuck the willfully unvaccinated and their feelings. My medically fragile DH was admitted to the hospital last night with an infection, but spent the entire night in the ER waiting for a bed. He's still there. At the same time my elderly father with late stage Parkinsons was taken to their local hospital by ambulance. He was sent home, because again, no beds. Thank God my brother drove the 2 hours to get there, because my dad can't walk from the garage to the house and my 84 year old mother can't get him in the house. I’m so sorry. Your scenario is exactly what is currently pissing me off the most about anti vaxxers. They’re so damn cavalier and think nothing will happen to them and they’re going to go out and live their lives and “the rest of you can stay home if you’re scared.” What about those of us who need healthcare for other reasons?? We’re all paying the price for them and their “rights.” And don’t get me started on those who look at the statistics and say “but it’s mostly the elderly and people with underlying conditions who are dying.” SO THAT MAKES IT OK!?!?!?! Where has common decency and caring about others gone? To stay on topic, yes I’m fine with the briefing. Handling them with kid gloves doesn’t work.
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Post by sideways on Dec 20, 2021 17:20:27 GMT
Fuck the willfully unvaccinated and their feelings. My medically fragile DH was admitted to the hospital last night with an infection, but spent the entire night in the ER waiting for a bed. He's still there. At the same time my elderly father with late stage Parkinsons was taken to their local hospital by ambulance. He was sent home, because again, no beds. Thank God my brother drove the 2 hours to get there, because my dad can't walk from the garage to the house and my 84 year old mother can't get him in the house. I’m so sorry. I think everyone should know by now that the statement was talking to the willfully unvaccinated, not those who CAN’T be vaccinated.
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Post by Jen in NCal on Dec 20, 2021 17:45:43 GMT
I’m so sick to death of dumb people. Pretty sure if they keep this up, you won't be the one sick to death.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 20, 2021 17:51:43 GMT
Last night former announced he had gotten the booster.... And they booooood him... . "Both the president and I are vaxxed," O'Reilly said. "Did you get the booster?" Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't," Trump said. "It's a very tiny group over there," he said while pointing to the crowd at the event in Dallas. www.rawstory.com/trump-vaccine-2656075906/
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Post by papersilly on Dec 20, 2021 18:01:47 GMT
people have had two years and up to 3 cycles of shots to know that vaccines are beneficial. for the hard core unvaxxed people, telling them, frightening them, mandating them hasn't worked so far. let the chips fall where they may.
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Post by lisae on Dec 20, 2021 18:29:59 GMT
What should that plan be? The 64,000 question, I know. But if you feel this way, you surely have some thoughts on what it should be? Because given all the stumbling blocks stated, I’m not really sure *what* it would be. Especially looking at others countries approach. It is a difficult question. I'm just not getting the impression that Biden and his advisors have a response for mass illness, even if people aren't sick enough for the hospital but are too sick to work. And of course, if you have any form of Covid, you should stay home. Yet, many people can't afford to stay home. I think he needs to address prioritization of health care. All other factors being equal or reasonably equal, the unvaccinated should go to the back of the line imo. This won't go over well and it may not be doable from the executive level or any level of government but quiet conversations with key hospital system executives need to be taking place. What are the preparations for our hospitals being overrun with patients? Plus we have a highly transmissible variant that is evading vaccines. So the health care workers it seems to me would be some of the first to get sick. They are already worked nearly to death as it is. The administration needs to be prepared for many of the financial issues we had at the beginning of the pandemic. I don't see them lasting as long. I think Omicron will infect and eventually burn itself out, even though apparently you can get reinfected. But who knows? If this next surge lasts longer than a month or so, people are going to need financial help with at least rent and mortgages. I do think states will need to put restrictions back in place. Those restrictions often come from the CDC recommendations. No one wants this yet it may be necessary. I just don't want Biden to shut the door on the tools we used last year and early 2021, just because they are unpopular. He's already unpopular. The only way out is through. The one good thing the Trump administration did was the public/private partnership with CVS and Walgreens to vaccinate our long term care patients. Have we done that with booster shots? I hope so but if not, get to it. I don't blame Biden for the mess we are in right now. If everyone who was eligible had gotten vaccinated in the spring and then boosted this fall, only our children and our most vulnerable would be at risk and we could probably manage that. If I were Biden, every time I mentioned the unvaccinated, I would make sure I said 'those who failed to get vaccinated...' The biggest blame is on them. Yet their failure will affect us all. We may need a hospital for any number of reasons and can't get in. We will need food and maybe it can't be delivered to our stores because of mass illness. Prepare for the worst.
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Post by Princess Amy on Dec 20, 2021 18:38:15 GMT
Truth. I have a coworker that lost BOTH her parents to COVID over the Thanksgiving holiday. BOTH parents. They were unvaccinated. They did not have a will. There aren’t words strong enough at this point, to be honest.
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Post by busy on Dec 20, 2021 19:12:45 GMT
I don't like it.
I have little patience with those who are voluntarily unvaccinated but I don't think this is the strategy to move the needle on vaccination statistics. It sounds like giving up on them and I think it's distasteful and not the right stance from an administration that is supposed to be for everyone.
It is better for all of us if more people get vaccinated. This isn't going to make a single person who is holding out for whatever reason change their mind.
I also think in an alternate reality if the Trump Administration said this, we'd all be losing our goddamn minds at the lack of humanity and crassness.
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 20, 2021 19:38:04 GMT
I don't like it. I have little patience with those who are voluntarily unvaccinated but I don't think this is the strategy to move the needle on vaccination statistics. It sounds like giving up on them and I think it's distasteful and not the right stance from an administration that is supposed to be for everyone. It is better for all of us if more people get vaccinated. This isn't going to make a single person who is holding out for whatever reason change their mind. I also think in an alternate reality if the Trump Administration said this, we'd all be losing our goddamn minds at the lack of humanity and crassness. As someone who has voiced my criticism of trump a lot I wouldn’t in this case. I would say finally they are doing something right. The ones that are showing a lack of humanity are those who can get vaccinated and don’t. Their total disregard for the consequences of them getting the virus and putting a strain on the already overburdened medical facilities and possibly spreading the virus to those who can’t be vaccinated is almost breath taking. So IMO there is nothing wrong with the wording. So on this we are going to disagree.
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oh yvonne
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Post by oh yvonne on Dec 20, 2021 19:47:19 GMT
I don't like it. I have little patience with those who are voluntarily unvaccinated but I don't think this is the strategy to move the needle on vaccination statistics. It sounds like giving up on them and I think it's distasteful and not the right stance from an administration that is supposed to be for everyone. It is better for all of us if more people get vaccinated. This isn't going to make a single person who is holding out for whatever reason change their mind. I also think in an alternate reality if the Trump Administration said this, we'd all be losing our goddamn minds at the lack of humanity and crassness. As someone who has voiced my criticism of trump a lot I wouldn’t in this case. I would say finally they are doing something right. The ones that are showing a lack of humanity are those who can get vaccinated and don’t. Their total disregard for the consequences of them getting the virus and putting a strain on the already overburdened medical facilities and possibly spreading the virus to those who can’t be vaccinated is almost breath taking. So IMO there is nothing wrong with the wording. So on this we are going to disagree. Ditto. They loved Trump's "bold, tell it like it is" talk. Well, then, this is their language. Crass it is, but necessary at this point, IMO.
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Post by LuvAgoodPaddle on Dec 20, 2021 19:54:53 GMT
Zero issues with the truth being told and it's the truth.
But with the way it is worded, it really does sound like something our previous President would have said. A bit clunky in the choice of wording.
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 20, 2021 20:23:06 GMT
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purplebee
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Post by purplebee on Dec 20, 2021 20:26:22 GMT
Agreeing that maybe Pres. Biden is trying to push back with stronger wording instead of trying to go high. Sometimes it is the only way to get the attention of those that won’t listen. I do wish he had included a small disclaimer re those who can’t be vaxxed, but I think at this late date, anyone with an ounce of common sense understands who the statement is addressing.
Given the responses on the other COVID threads, it won’t make one bit of difference to the willfully unvaxxed and unwilling to take steps to help protect their fellow humans. . People will still be enjoying their freedumb to go wherever they please, even if they have to drag an oxygen tank behind them.
I fully blame trump for politicizing the pandemic for his own personal gain. Can you imagine if this had happened in the 50’s with the polio vaccine? It is his fault 1000% and I despise him for it. I still dream of the state the world would be in now had Hillary Clinton won in 2016.
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julie5
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Post by julie5 on Dec 20, 2021 23:54:04 GMT
I would like the statement better if it started, “for those choosing to be unvaccinated…” because it is mostly a choice. Yes there are children who can’t be vaccinated but I think it drives home the idea that people are choosing to be ignorant and careless.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 21, 2021 0:22:39 GMT
What should that plan be? The 64,000 question, I know. But if you feel this way, you surely have some thoughts on what it should be? Because given all the stumbling blocks stated, I’m not really sure *what* it would be. Especially looking at others countries approach. It is a difficult question. I'm just not getting the impression that Biden and his advisors have a response for mass illness, even if people aren't sick enough for the hospital but are too sick to work. And of course, if you have any form of Covid, you should stay home. Yet, many people can't afford to stay home. I think he needs to address prioritization of health care. All other factors being equal or reasonably equal, the unvaccinated should go to the back of the line imo. This won't go over well and it may not be doable from the executive level or any level of government but quiet conversations with key hospital system executives need to be taking place. What are the preparations for our hospitals being overrun with patients? Plus we have a highly transmissible variant that is evading vaccines. So the health care workers it seems to me would be some of the first to get sick. They are already worked nearly to death as it is. The administration needs to be prepared for many of the financial issues we had at the beginning of the pandemic. I don't see them lasting as long. I think Omicron will infect and eventually burn itself out, even though apparently you can get reinfected. But who knows? If this next surge lasts longer than a month or so, people are going to need financial help with at least rent and mortgages. I do think states will need to put restrictions back in place. Those restrictions often come from the CDC recommendations. No one wants this yet it may be necessary. I just don't want Biden to shut the door on the tools we used last year and early 2021, just because they are unpopular. He's already unpopular. The only way out is through. The one good thing the Trump administration did was the public/private partnership with CVS and Walgreens to vaccinate our long term care patients. Have we done that with booster shots? I hope so but if not, get to it. I don't blame Biden for the mess we are in right now. If everyone who was eligible had gotten vaccinated in the spring and then boosted this fall, only our children and our most vulnerable would be at risk and we could probably manage that. If I were Biden, every time I mentioned the unvaccinated, I would make sure I said 'those who failed to get vaccinated...' The biggest blame is on them. Yet their failure will affect us all. We may need a hospital for any number of reasons and can't get in. We will need food and maybe it can't be delivered to our stores because of mass illness. Prepare for the worst. Thank you. Some good food for thought there.
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Mystie
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Post by Mystie on Dec 21, 2021 6:04:50 GMT
Fuck the willfully unvaccinated and their feelings. My medically fragile DH was admitted to the hospital last night with an infection, but spent the entire night in the ER waiting for a bed. He's still there. At the same time my elderly father with late stage Parkinsons was taken to their local hospital by ambulance. He was sent home, because again, no beds. Thank God my brother drove the 2 hours to get there, because my dad can't walk from the garage to the house and my 84 year old mother can't get him in the house. I'm very sorry, what a horrible stressful situation for you all. I'll pray for healing and help.
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caangel
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Post by caangel on Dec 21, 2021 6:48:36 GMT
For full context in case anyone is wondering. ________________________________ MR. ZIENTS: Good morning. And thanks for joining us. Today, Dr. Walensky will give an overview of the state of the pandemic and on new practices that will help keep schools open, and Dr. Fauci will provide an update on the latest science and the importance of boosters. But before we start, I want to talk about how we should think about this moment. As we’ve explained in prior briefings, the Omicron variant is more transmissible and our medical experts anticipate it will lead to a rise in cases. But unlike last winter, we now have the power to protect ourselves. Our vaccines work against Omicron, especially for people who get booster shots when they are eligible. If you are vaccinated, you could test positive. But if you do get COVID, your case will likely be asymptomatic or mild. We are intent on not letting Omicron disrupt work and school for the vaccinated. You’ve done the right thing, and we will get through this. For the unvaccinated, you’re looking at a winter of severe illness and death for yourselves, your families, and the hospitals you may soon overwhelm. So, our message to every American is clear: There is action you can take to protect yourself and your family. Wear a mask in public indoor settings. Get vaccinated, get your kids vaccinated, and get a booster shot when you’re eligible. We are prepared to confront this new challenge. We have plenty of vaccines and booster shots available at convenient locations and for no cost. There is clear guidance on masking to help slow the spread. And we have emergency medical teams to respond to surges as necessary. So, this is not a moment to panic because we know how to protect people and we have the tools to do it. But we need the American people to do their part to protect themselves, their children, and their communities. The more people get vaccinated, the less severe this Omicron outbreak will be. One hundred sixty thousand unvaccinated people have already needlessly lost their lives just since June, and this number will continue to go up until the unvaccinated take action. So, I’ll say it once more: Get vaccinated. ___________________ I think the link was already posted but here it is again. www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/12/17/press-briefing-by-white-house-covid-19-response-team-and-public-health-officials-74/
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 21, 2021 22:52:39 GMT
Fuck the willfully unvaccinated and their feelings. My medically fragile DH was admitted to the hospital last night with an infection, but spent the entire night in the ER waiting for a bed. He's still there. At the same time my elderly father with late stage Parkinsons was taken to their local hospital by ambulance. He was sent home, because again, no beds. Thank God my brother drove the 2 hours to get there, because my dad can't walk from the garage to the house and my 84 year old mother can't get him in the house. I am so very sorry. My family has some similar situations, and it makes me want to scream. Sending both you and mikklynn hugs. I’m so sorry you’re dealing with those kinds of problems.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 22, 2021 0:00:34 GMT
I 100% agree with the statement but I don't think a WH briefing is an appropriate place to make it. Why? It’s factual and stark reality. It’s been almost a year. They’ve tried other approaches - asking nicely, mandating and still failed to reach these people. Why should their feelings be spared of the reality of the situation they now face? By choice. If GOP politicians can say the quiet stuff out loud I think it’s about time the Dems do to. At least if it’s truthful. 🤷♀️ At this point I want them to come right out a day the hard truthful stuff.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 22, 2021 0:04:12 GMT
"For the unvaccinated, you’re looking at a winter of severe illness and death for yourselves, your families, and the hospitals you may soon overwhelm.” So where is the lie? This Joshua Potash bloke lacks reading comprehension in a big way. Nowhere does it say that the unvaccinated will be "left to die". Also, from what I have read, it isn't an official statement from the White House. It was a statement from Jeff Zients from the COVID taskforce. Vaccinations are readily available for those who can medically have them. Free. And the statement literally acknowledges that they will be treated in hospitals thus overwhelming the hospitals, so no, it doesn’t even hint that unvaccinated will be left to die. I just stare that some of them will.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 22, 2021 0:08:21 GMT
My problem with this statement is that it places blame too broadly. A little precision goes a long way. Children and others who can’t get vaccinated aren’t purposefully dying and overwhelming hospitals. It should have specified, “For those who chose not to get vaccinated you’re looking at a winter of… and the harm done to those who don’t have a choice in the matter.” Also, the extra congratulatory “you did the right thing, we’re gonna make it through” also glosses over a lot of variation in how vaccinated people behave. Some don’t see the need to mask, get boosters, or social distance. That’s also not helping. I’m all for telling it like it is, but I think this misses the mark. Unfortunately those unable to be vaccinated are looking at a bad winter as well. Granted thru no fault of their own. But if they insist on not taking the precautions they can the result can be the same and they should be made aware of that. Too many are refusing to vax to reach any kind of herd immunity that would protect those unable to be vaxxed.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 22, 2021 0:21:59 GMT
What should that plan be? The 64,000 question, I know. But if you feel this way, you surely have some thoughts on what it should be? Because given all the stumbling blocks stated, I’m not really sure *what* it would be. Especially looking at others countries approach. It is a difficult question. I'm just not getting the impression that Biden and his advisors have a response for mass illness, even if people aren't sick enough for the hospital but are too sick to work. And of course, if you have any form of Covid, you should stay home. Yet, many people can't afford to stay home. I think he needs to address prioritization of health care. All other factors being equal or reasonably equal, the unvaccinated should go to the back of the line imo. This won't go over well and it may not be doable from the executive level or any level of government but quiet conversations with key hospital system executives need to be taking place. What are the preparations for our hospitals being overrun with patients? Plus we have a highly transmissible variant that is evading vaccines. So the health care workers it seems to me would be some of the first to get sick. They are already worked nearly to death as it is. The administration needs to be prepared for many of the financial issues we had at the beginning of the pandemic. I don't see them lasting as long. I think Omicron will infect and eventually burn itself out, even though apparently you can get reinfected. But who knows? If this next surge lasts longer than a month or so, people are going to need financial help with at least rent and mortgages. I do think states will need to put restrictions back in place. Those restrictions often come from the CDC recommendations. No one wants this yet it may be necessary. I just don't want Biden to shut the door on the tools we used last year and early 2021, just because they are unpopular. He's already unpopular. The only way out is through. The one good thing the Trump administration did was the public/private partnership with CVS and Walgreens to vaccinate our long term care patients. Have we done that with booster shots? I hope so but if not, get to it. I don't blame Biden for the mess we are in right now. If everyone who was eligible had gotten vaccinated in the spring and then boosted this fall, only our children and our most vulnerable would be at risk and we could probably manage that. If I were Biden, every time I mentioned the unvaccinated, I would make sure I said 'those who failed to get vaccinated...' The biggest blame is on them. Yet their failure will affect us all. We may need a hospital for any number of reasons and can't get in. We will need food and maybe it can't be delivered to our stores because of mass illness. Prepare for the worst. What?!? What is this bill then ublic Law No: 117-2 (03/11/2021) American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 This bill provides additional relief to address the continued impact of COVID-19 (i.e., coronavirus disease 2019) on the economy, public health, state and local governments, individuals, and businesses.
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Post by lisae on Dec 22, 2021 0:43:23 GMT
What?!? What is this bill then ublic Law No: 117-2 (03/11/2021) American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 This bill provides additional relief to address the continued impact of COVID-19 (i.e., coronavirus disease 2019) on the economy, public health, state and local governments, individuals, and businesses. Some things in this bill have expired such as unemployment benefits. I believe that delays of student loan payments are set to expire. People can be evicted again. I don't believe that these things need extended at this time. We won't know until we see how bad Omicron will be and for how long. Hopefully this will be short-lived. I just hope there is a plan to address short term needs if we have a worse case scenario with Omicron. There is still money left for states and municipal governments to spend from the Rescue Plan Act. Three things that came out of today I was pleased to hear. There seems to be some plan to help hospitals with the military already being deployed. It is already happening in some areas. Fauci said that they are looking at decreasing the quarantine time for health care workers who test positive but aren't symptomatic. The FDA will be looking at approving Pfizer and Merck's Covid pills. My understanding is you have to take those within the first few days of illness. If we have home tests and more testing sites combined with a drug to treat infection early, that could alleviate some strain on hospitals.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 22, 2021 1:03:12 GMT
What?!? What is this bill then ublic Law No: 117-2 (03/11/2021) American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 This bill provides additional relief to address the continued impact of COVID-19 (i.e., coronavirus disease 2019) on the economy, public health, state and local governments, individuals, and businesses. Some things in this bill have expired such as unemployment benefits. I believe that delays of student loan payments are set to expire. People can be evicted again. I don't believe that these things need extended at this time. We won't know until we see how bad Omicron will be and for how long. Hopefully this will be short-lived. I just hope there is a plan to address short term needs if we have a worse case scenario with Omicron. There is still money left for states and municipal governments to spend from the Rescue Plan Act. Three things that came out of today I was pleased to hear. There seems to be some plan to help hospitals with the military already being deployed. It is already happening in some areas. Fauci said that they are looking at decreasing the quarantine time for health care workers who test positive but aren't symptomatic. The FDA will be looking at approving Pfizer and Merck's Covid pills. My understanding is you have to take those within the first few days of illness. If we have home tests and more testing sites combined with a drug to treat infection early, that could alleviate some strain on hospitals. I apologize. I could have worded my previous post better. I didn’t mean be rude. Yes things are expiring. And it isn’t Biden standing in the way of helping people out. Getting things they the senate has been more difficult than expected. There’s a lot of moving parts to this thing and a lot of factors going on. I’m pretty sure they have a better handle in things than when Jared was sending broken equipment to heavily Democratic states in 2020. Recent economic reports have our economic recovery going better than expected. thehill.com/opinion/white-house/584905-biden-is-delivering-the-fastest-economic-recovery-in-history-why-hasnt?ampIn short there are a lot of parts to this and I’m more hopeful than when the administration was lying and telling us it would magically disappear I apologize for being abrupt before
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Post by lisae on Dec 22, 2021 1:12:10 GMT
Some things in this bill have expired such as unemployment benefits. I believe that delays of student loan payments are set to expire. People can be evicted again. I don't believe that these things need extended at this time. We won't know until we see how bad Omicron will be and for how long. Hopefully this will be short-lived. I just hope there is a plan to address short term needs if we have a worse case scenario with Omicron. There is still money left for states and municipal governments to spend from the Rescue Plan Act. Three things that came out of today I was pleased to hear. There seems to be some plan to help hospitals with the military already being deployed. It is already happening in some areas. Fauci said that they are looking at decreasing the quarantine time for health care workers who test positive but aren't symptomatic. The FDA will be looking at approving Pfizer and Merck's Covid pills. My understanding is you have to take those within the first few days of illness. If we have home tests and more testing sites combined with a drug to treat infection early, that could alleviate some strain on hospitals. I apologize. I could have worded my previous post better. I didn’t mean be rude. Yes things are expiring. And it isn’t Biden standing in the way of helping people out. Getting things they the senate has been more difficult than expected. There’s a lot of moving parts to this thing and a lot of factors going on. I’m pretty sure they have a better handle in things than when Jared was sending broken equipment to heavily Democratic states in 2020. Recent economic reports have our economic recovery going better than expected. thehill.com/opinion/white-house/584905-biden-is-delivering-the-fastest-economic-recovery-in-history-why-hasnt?ampIn short there are a lot of parts to this and I’m more hopeful than when the administration was lying and telling us it would magically disappear I apologize for being abrupt before No problem. Nobody wants to be back here talking about another surge. We are all tired of it. I, too, am more hopeful than with the last administration. I can't imagine what mess we would be in if that had continued. I think the original question was about Biden's blaming the unvaccinated. They are at fault. I just think that he has to address the situation he has and it appears that many things are being done to deal with a potential wave of new infections and hospitalizations. As far as I can tell, the UK hasn't had a severe rise in hospitalizations yet so that might be a good sign for us. Or maybe it is too early to tell.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 22, 2021 19:00:26 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 22, 2021 22:21:50 GMT
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