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Post by pixiechick on Jan 8, 2022 6:59:33 GMT
Yep, vaccine efficacy in trials was always measured vs death and severe illness/hospitalization. Sterilizing immunity is entirely different. Well, I disagree. My perception was that they initially said that vaccines were going to be the answer to stopping the virus, and that vaccinated people wouldn't get it. That is why they made such a big deal of professional athletes and other vaccinated people testing positive. Perhaps the drug companies didn't focus on that, but the media sure did. I'm sure that there were threads here that discussed that as well. But, you can go on thinking that I and others who thought that initially are idiots like you want to portray. It really doesn't matter. That isn't where we are at with the vaccines now, but trying to say that there hasn't been different information given about the vaccine and how effective it is at preventing infection (or if people who were vaccinated could be spreaders) has changed is false. Your perception is absolutely correct. Fauci "When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community. In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere. And that's when you get a point that you have a markedly diminished rate of infection in the community." Head of the CDC "Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick, and that it's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data." Biden "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations."All said in 2021. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 8, 2022 8:42:04 GMT
Again NO links!
Let us not forget, this arrived as a novel coronavirus. No one knew what exactly it would or when. Each variety behaves differently. Information constantly changes as the days and months go by.
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Post by Merge on Jan 8, 2022 14:05:02 GMT
Again NO links! Let us not forget, this arrived as a novel coronavirus. No one knew what exactly it would or when. Each variety behaves differently. Information constantly changes as the days and months go by. Re: Fauci’s statement, he said it but her quote lacks context. Here’s another quote from the same speech "So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely - not impossible but very, very low likelihood - that they're going to transmit it," This was pre-Delta. Here’s the article: www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-vaccinated-people-become-dead-ends-for-the-coronavirus%3FampWith the context given, it’s clear Fauci wasn’t saying that vaccinated people couldn’t possibly get sick. In fact, he explicitly said the opposite. Again, pre-Delta. With new variants obviously the chances have risen. I’m not able to find the other two quotes she gave, so maybe she’ll come back and provide a source. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 8, 2022 14:55:31 GMT
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 8, 2022 15:17:41 GMT
I missed this discussion first time around, I do think there is some rewriting of history here. Pre-Delta the viral load of an infected person was much, much lower if they were vaccinated and they were much less likely to transmit the virus. It's the whole reason we had a brief interlude of no masks if you were vaccinated. That was publicized and used as a key reason to get vaccinated. Unfortunately the delta variant did not have the same profile and transmission from vaccinated people became much more of an issue which is why mask mandates were reinitiated. Omicron is even more high transmittable - even among the vaccinated, but fortunately is showing to be effective against serious illness and death which is why the messaging has changed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 16:03:08 GMT
Wouldn't it be so nice if people did some deep, educational research about science and how viruses work rather than take things out of context to make themselves feel comfortable about their "beliefs".
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 8, 2022 16:30:55 GMT
Wouldn't it be great for a SCOTUS Justice to do research, instead of quoting FOX NEWS?!
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Post by cindosha on Jan 8, 2022 16:44:22 GMT
Wouldn't it be great for a SCOTUS Justice to do research, instead of quoting FOX NEWS?! It certainly would. Sotomeyer should also take that advice. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 8, 2022 16:46:59 GMT
It’s hilarious to me how the right wants the left to do things they are not willing to do themselves, like consider context. You can’t have it both ways.
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Post by cindosha on Jan 8, 2022 16:51:48 GMT
It’s hilarious to me how the right wants the left to do things they are not willing to do themselves, like consider context. You can’t have it both ways. Neither can you |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 8, 2022 16:56:54 GMT
It’s hilarious to me how the right wants the left to do things they are not willing to do themselves, like consider context. You can’t have it both ways. I don’t know, trying to have it both ways, seems *exactly* like the ones posting on here, these days. 😏😂 |
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Post by Merge on Jan 8, 2022 17:00:54 GMT
It’s hilarious to me how the right wants the left to do things they are not willing to do themselves, like consider context. You can’t have it both ways. Neither can you Um, I have said and am happy to say again that Sotomayor said something that isn’t true. Your turn. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 8, 2022 17:01:41 GMT
It’s hilarious to me how the right wants the left to do things they are not willing to do themselves, like consider context. You can’t have it both ways. I don’t know, trying to have it both ways, seems *exactly* like the ones posting on here, these days. 😏😂 The “both sides” argument from death cultists and terrorism supporters is wearing a bit thin. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 8, 2022 17:11:31 GMT
I'm disappointed in Sotomayor, I have high expectations of her and all of the justices. She was wrong and should make a statement correcting that. Gorsuch was also wrong, but I think his misinformation is more dangerous. The false information that covid is just like the flu is one of the reasons people are refusing the vaccine. Gorsuch also needs to correct his misinformation. I think the comments and questions from the judges on both sides on the vaccine cases clearly show the polarization and politicalization of the court. Roberts' and ACB's comments denying that are disingenuous.
eta - Sorry, wrong thread.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 8, 2022 17:17:04 GMT
I don’t know, trying to have it both ways, seems *exactly* like the ones posting on here, these days. 😏😂 The “both sides” argument from death cultists and terrorism supporters is wearing a bit thin. Very, very thin. That being said I was rather disappointed in Sotomayor too, who normally has her facts in order, making that statement. Especially given the data backs up mandates working. But I have no problem saying that either. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 8, 2022 19:57:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 21:55:46 GMT
pixiechick Science is a continual and ongoing process of change. With a new virus, it has and will continually change as scientists learn more and more. It's also akin to progress.
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 9, 2022 1:17:59 GMT
pixiechick Science is a continual and ongoing process of change. With a new virus, it has and will continually change as scientists learn more and more. It's also akin to progress. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with saying something that was said by the experts, wasn't said. Nothing. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 9, 2022 4:45:13 GMT
The first 2 statements were pre-delta. Based on the evidence available at the time, vaccines did prevent 90% of infections. Dr Walensky's and Dr Fauci's statements were 90% accurate at the time. Timing and context matters. Furthermore, the CDC walked back Dr Walensky's comments and corrected or clarified them. www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/health/coronavirus-vaccine-walensky.htmlthehill.com/changing-america/well-being/546234-cdc-reverses-statement-by-director-that-vaccinated-people-are-no |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 9, 2022 4:55:55 GMT
The first 2 statements were pre-delta. Based on the evidence available at the time, vaccines did prevent 90% of infections. Dr Walensky's and Dr Fauci's statements were 90% accurate at the time. Timing and context matters. Furthermore, the CDC walked back Dr Walensky's comments and corrected or clarified them. www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/health/coronavirus-vaccine-walensky.htmlthehill.com/changing-america/well-being/546234-cdc-reverses-statement-by-director-that-vaccinated-people-are-no Sure but again at least 5 posters jumped on iamkristinl16 for pointing out that at the time the messaging was different - all she said was: that's why I stated people are absolutely trying to rewrite history on this thread. Last summer pre-delta messaging was very different as the varietal was very different and a bunch of let me tell you don't remember it right was some serious bullshit. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 9, 2022 21:16:27 GMT
The first 2 statements were pre-delta. Based on the evidence available at the time, vaccines did prevent 90% of infections. Dr Walensky's and Dr Fauci's statements were 90% accurate at the time. Timing and context matters. Furthermore, the CDC walked back Dr Walensky's comments and corrected or clarified them. www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/health/coronavirus-vaccine-walensky.htmlthehill.com/changing-america/well-being/546234-cdc-reverses-statement-by-director-that-vaccinated-people-are-no Sure but again at least 5 posters jumped on iamkristinl16 for pointing out that at the time the messaging was different - all she said was: that's why I stated people are absolutely trying to rewrite history on this thread. Last summer pre-delta messaging was very different as the varietal was very different and a bunch of let me tell you don't remember it right was some serious bullshit.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 9, 2022 22:13:38 GMT
The first 2 statements were pre-delta. Based on the evidence available at the time, vaccines did prevent 90% of infections. Dr Walensky's and Dr Fauci's statements were 90% accurate at the time. Timing and context matters. Furthermore, the CDC walked back Dr Walensky's comments and corrected or clarified them. www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/health/coronavirus-vaccine-walensky.htmlthehill.com/changing-america/well-being/546234-cdc-reverses-statement-by-director-that-vaccinated-people-are-no Sure but again at least 5 posters jumped on iamkristinl16 for pointing out that at the time the messaging was different - all she said was: that's why I stated people are absolutely trying to rewrite history on this thread. Last summer pre-delta messaging was very different as the varietal was very different and a bunch of let me tell you don't remember it right was some serious bullshit. I agree that the pre-delta messaging was different. The messaging changed as covid evolved and we learned more about the vaccines. The vaccines did prevent 90% of infections from the alpha variant. With a couple of exceptions that were later clarified and important context, no one promised that the vaccine would 100% prevent infection. We were very fortunate that the vaccine did prevent infection in the majority of cases with the alpha variant. But when the public health experts talked about the efficacy of the vaccine, they talked about it in terms of preventing severe illness and disease. I can understand how someone would think the vaccine prevented infection, but with a few exceptions that's not really what the experts were saying. The experts were focused on talking about how the vaccine prevents severe illness, hospitalization and death. They talked about how breakthrough infections prevented severe illness as evidence that the vaccines worked. All of these articles are from last April or May. I don't think any of the posters on this thread are trying to rewrite history (The only ones rewriting history are the the Republicans on Jan 6 but that's an entirely different topic). www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/17/yankees-covid-outbreak-vaccines-work/That is the vaccines working as designed. While they don’t eliminate the possibility of becoming infected, they virtually eliminate the risk of severe disease and death by preparing your immune system to fight the virus so it can respond more quickly and strongly.www.nytimes.com/2021/05/25/health/cdc-coronavirus-infections-vaccine.htmlwww.pbs.org/newshour/health/can-people-vaccinated-against-covid-19-still-spread-the-coronavirushealth.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-04-01-how-well-do-covid-19-vaccines-work-over-the-longer-term.aspxwww.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/yes-vaccines-block-most-transmission-of-covid-19The distinction is important because many people do not realize that vaccines primarily prevent the disease but not necessarily infection.Here's what the CDC is currently saying about breakthrough infections. I don't think the messaging in the spring was all that different. www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html#:~:text=COVID%2D19%20vaccines%20are,get%20COVID%2D19. COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing infection, serious illness, and death. Most people who get COVID-19 are unvaccinated. However, since vaccines are not 100% effective at preventing infection, some people who are fully vaccinated will still get COVID-19. |
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