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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 13:32:04 GMT
Hundreds arrested for storming the capitol on January 6th and hundreds arrested for violently protesting Trump defies your claim of immorality on one side only. Cite your source. I only saw one twitter post w/several dozen anarchists out in the street.
I found a source - it was street violence. It is detested by me and many on the left.
No one "stormed the capitol" in anything I've found.
No left pol COMMENDED these acts. No left pol sees them as "valid protests" or "patriots".
And ps - my OP was about the WOMEN and men marching in the MILLIONS all over the country and world - PEACEFULLY.
I love how you ignored the meat of the post to focus on the several dozen anarchists who had nothing to do w/ the women's march on the day after the inauguration.
And PPS - "The Disrupt J20 group on Twitter said its anger was not directed only at Trump, and that it would also have demonstrated had Democrat Hillary Clinton won the election last November."
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 9, 2022 14:40:55 GMT
From PolitiFact.. linkClaim by Jody Hice… “Democrats “spent 4 years refusing to acknowledge Trump’s 2016 victory.”We rate this claim False.”Again, not a claim I'm making. What I DID say is "trying to undo a peaceful transfer of power for 4 years even before he was even sworn in and when he was days away from leaving office". 2 different things. Seriously you need to look up the definition of “peaceful transfer of power” because you clearly don’t understand what it means. And even if you are using the wrong terminology I did point out that what you were trying to imply was rated false.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 9, 2022 14:57:07 GMT
Let me try again, since it's not getting through to some: MILLIONS OF MEN AND WOMEN PROTESTED THE ELECTION OF TRUMP w/peace, w/no attack on the capital, no desecration of our system of government. SEVERAL THOUSAND PROTESTED THE ELECTION OF BIDEN with death, destruction and an attempted coup. And I stand by my statement: Hundreds arrested for storming the capitol on January 6th and hundreds arrested for violently protesting Trump defies your claim of immorality on one side only. The Left is just as guilty of mass violence in several instances -just in the last few years, despite the claim of your OP. Biden calling Trump an illegitimate president, along with many others doing so publicly, trying to undo a peaceful transfer of power for 4 years even before he was even sworn in and when he was days away from leaving office, defies your claim of the Left being gracious in defeat. Without any sources to back up the events you are claiming happened then you are lying. It really is that simple.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 9, 2022 15:13:53 GMT
Let me try again, since it's not getting through to some: MILLIONS OF MEN AND WOMEN PROTESTED THE ELECTION OF TRUMP w/peace, w/no attack on the capital, no desecration of our system of government. SEVERAL THOUSAND PROTESTED THE ELECTION OF BIDEN with death, destruction and an attempted coup. And I stand by my statement: Hundreds arrested for storming the capitol on January 6th and hundreds arrested for violently protesting Trump defies your claim of immorality on one side only. The Left is just as guilty of mass violence in several instances -just in the last few years, despite the claim of your OP. Biden calling Trump an illegitimate president, along with many others doing so publicly, trying to undo a peaceful transfer of power for 4 years even before he was even sworn in and when he was days away from leaving office, defies your claim of the Left being gracious in defeat. Other than the violence on Trump's inauguration, when did the left commit mass violence? Maybe you could make a weak argument that comments by the Democrats undermined the legitimacy of Trump's presidency. However, even that pales in comparison to what the Republicans and Trump have done. They've repeated the big lie so many times and others have remained silent and not refuted it, only 6% of Republicans think Biden's victory was legitimate. All credible evidence overwhelmingly suggests the election was secure with very little fraud, nothing that would have changed the outcome. And somehow, defying all logic there was fraud at the top of the ballot, but all of the Republican senators and representatives at the state and federal levels were elected fairly. Republicans falsely believe absentee ballots from dead people were counted, fraudulent ballots for President Biden were counted, non-citizens were allowed to vote, election officials destroyed ballots and states changed election rules. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/07/republicans-big-lie-trump/I don't think you understand the meaning of a peaceful transition of power. Despite comments that Trump was an illegitimate president, no one on the left actually did anything to undo the peaceful transfer of power. Clinton conceded, Trump never did. No one on the left pressured VP Biden to object to the certification of the votes. No one on the left applied pressure on governors or secretaries of state to find 11,000 votes. No one on the left tried to interfere with the state certification of votes. No one on the left invited Michigan state legislators to the White House. No one on the left prepared a power point presentation for how to overturn an election. Only 1 Democratic representative objected to the certification of the vote. 127 Republican representatives did. No one on the left filed 60 court cases full of lies trying to overturn the results of a free and fair election. No one on the left encouraged their supporters to fight like hell. There was no bipartisan commission to study what happened on Trump's inauguration day. No one on the left was impeached, investigated or sued for their actions. A blatantly false comparison. Let's look at the statistics and facts for Jan 6 vs Trump's inauguration. The violence at Trump’s inauguration is unacceptable. However, you’re falsely comparing a protest to an insurrection or attempted coup. The scope, the depth, the extent of the events are so disparate. 200 arrested in DC at the inauguration. How many if those were prosecuted? So far, 725 people have been charged in the Jan 6 insurrection. 165 of those have pleaded guilty. 56 FBI offices, 94 US attorneys offices involved in the investigation and prosecution of the insurrectionists. So far, defendants have been charged with misdemeanors to felonies like assaulting a police officer with a deadly weapon. 40 have been charged with conspiracies. Estimates are 2,000-2,500 people entered the Capitol on Jan 6. 6 police officers injured at Trump’s inauguration, 150 injured at the Jan 6 insurrection Another false comparison.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 9, 2022 15:13:58 GMT
Here I looked it up for you.. link“Peaceful Transfer of Power: A Democratic Mandate”From the article Background You probably know about elections - a vital democratic process in which voters select one candidate over another to serve in political office. Because elections are a critical mechanism for citizens to choose their leaders, they are necessary for any representative democracy. But no one is re-elected forever. What happens when a sitting representative retires, gets voted out of office, or reaches their term limit? Explanation When one representative leaves office for any reason, there is always a transition period wherein a new leader takes their place. In other forms of government, this transition might involve violence or war as different factions fight over who deserves governmental control. In democracies, however, there is supposed to be what is called a peaceful transfer of power. Definition A peaceful transfer of power is the process of existing leadership conceding power and passing governmental control onto their successor, usually a newly elected representative. As the word “peaceful” suggests, this process is nonviolent and free of conflict, and recognizes the right of the people to select their leaders.How It Works In the United States, presidential candidates typically start the planning process for taking control of government early, often months before they have even won the election. This usually involves the formation of a presidential “transition team,” which vets prospective appointees, develops a preliminary policy agenda, establishes relationships with Congress and executive agencies, and determines initial priorities for action, among other things. After the election, the transition team begins hiring staff for the president-elect and making the necessary preparations for taking over government operations. The official presidential transfer of power takes place during the inauguration, a ceremony in which the president-elect is sworn into office, usually by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. The inauguration is typically followed by an inaugural address from the new president, a signing ceremony to mark the first official actions taken by the new administration, a celebratory luncheon, and a military procession to conclude the festivities.
History When George Washington stepped down as president after two terms in office, he established an important precedent - that American leaders would make way for their successors, whoever they may be. John Adams made this tradition official when he left the White House shortly before the inauguration of Thomas Jefferson, who had defeated Adams in his bid for re-election. This was the first time that an American president directly conceded power to their political rival following an election, and it established the peaceful transfer of power as a hallmark of the United States government.In John Adams’ time, presidential inaugurations occurred on March 4th following the November elections of the previous year. The Twentieth Amendment to the Constitution shortened the transition time by setting a new date for presidential administrations to end: January 20th. The Presidential Transition Act of 1963 established a formal process for transferring executive powers from one administration to another. One of its provisions requires that executive agencies designate an official to be in charge of transition planning and implementing succession plans. Additionally, the Act requires the establishment of both a White House Transition Coordinating Council and an Agency Transition Directors Council that unite high-level authorities such as members of the Cabinet and officials from the Office of Management and Budget, the Office of Personnel Management, the Office of Government Ethics, and others. Finally, the General Services Administration must coordinate transition planning across agencies and act as a liaison between transition teams and the federal government, specifically through its appointed Federal Transition Coordinator position. The Presidential Transition Act has been amended several times to expand on the procedures necessary to ensure that the government continues to run smoothly while new leadership takes over. Why Care? The successful transfer of power is a key element in a stable representative democracy. Without the peaceful transition from one leader to another, voting rights would be violated and the will of the people would not be recognized, subverting the principles of our government. In the absence of a peaceful transfer of power, we risk what is known as democratic backsliding - an erosion of the quality or integrity of our democracy that undermines our political institutions. It is our responsibility as citizens to ensure that the transfer of power is not seen as a suggestion or a luxury for presidential administrations, but as a collective expectation and a democratic mandate.”
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Post by lucyg on Jan 9, 2022 20:06:10 GMT
I’m still waiting for the results of your research into how many cops were killed, injured, or permanently disabled by the widespread, massive, violent protests by anti-Trump forces in January 2017. You know, the ones that were totally equivalent to the organized, armed attempt to overthrow our democratic government and execute any leaders who didn’t fall into line with the former president on 1/6/21. That's great, that's not an argument I am making so you and your strawman can sit and wait together. oh, BS. You’ve been insisting this entire thread that Democratic violence is equivalent to Republican violence. Only you can’t back up that claim with actual facts, so now that’s not the argument you were making. Your video clips of random small bits of rioting are in no way equal to an attempt to overthrow a lawful election. Sorry.
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 9, 2022 21:11:00 GMT
That's great, that's not an argument I am making so you and your strawman can sit and wait together. oh, BS. You’ve been insisting this entire thread that Democratic violence is equivalent to Republican violence. Only you can’t back up that claim with actual facts, so now that’s not the argument you were making. Your video clips of random small bits of rioting are in no way equal to an attempt to overthrow a lawful election. Sorry. No, what I said is the Left is not morally superior since they DO commit violence. And they're not gracious at loosing. YOU ALL tried to dismiss that by citing numbers. Despite your repeated attempts to dismiss the above, it still stands true.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 21:26:59 GMT
Your video clips of random small bits of rioting are in no way equal to an attempt to overthrow a lawful election. Sorry. Not to mention that those rioting asses in 2017 would have rioted if Clinton had won as well - from their own mouths. There is NO comparison - except to those unable to reason.
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Post by lucyg on Jan 9, 2022 21:29:51 GMT
from the horse’s pixie’s mouth: Let me try again, since it's not getting through to some: MILLIONS OF MEN AND WOMEN PROTESTED THE ELECTION OF TRUMP w/peace, w/no attack on the capital, no desecration of our system of government. SEVERAL THOUSAND PROTESTED THE ELECTION OF BIDEN with death, destruction and an attempted coup. And I stand by my statement: Hundreds arrested for storming the capitol on January 6th and hundreds arrested for violently protesting Trump defies your claim of immorality on one side only.The Left is just as guilty of mass violence in several instances -just in the last few years, despite the claim of your OP. Biden calling Trump an illegitimate president, along with many others doing so publicly, trying to undo a peaceful transfer of power for 4 years even before he was even sworn in and when he was days away from leaving office, defies your claim of the Left being gracious in defeat. YOU are the one who brought comparative numbers into the discussion. Then you went on to say “the left is just as guilty of mass violence …. ” No, actually, we aren’t nearly as prone to violence as the right. And when our outliers do get violent, we decry the violence, we don’t call them great patriots. So please stop claiming we are misconstruing your statements.
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Post by lucyg on Jan 9, 2022 21:33:12 GMT
oh, BS. You’ve been insisting this entire thread that Democratic violence is equivalent to Republican violence. Only you can’t back up that claim with actual facts, so now that’s not the argument you were making. Your video clips of random small bits of rioting are in no way equal to an attempt to overthrow a lawful election. Sorry. No, what I said is the Left is not morally superior since they DO commit violence. And they're not gracious at loosing. YOU ALL tried to dismiss that by citing numbers. Despite your repeated attempts to dismiss the above, it still stands true. oh, I missed the part about the left not being gracious at losing. I will put Hillary’s graciousness (and Barack Obama’s) up against Donald Trump’s any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 21:52:44 GMT
Thought this was very appropriate to the way some on this thread are posting:
I see a lot of people who I follow responding to this tweet (substitute post), so maybe it’s time to talk about outrage trolls. These accounts are not bots; they’re people who post intentionally inflammatory, over-the-top statements...
They want you to respond. That’s the whole point....
Outrage trolls don’t want dialogue, and you aren’t going to get one. They exist to waste your time and your followers’ time, to pollute your feed, to distract you from more important issues, and to make you angry enough to say something you regret.
These people exist to hijack your attention — and if you’re a large account, to hijack your followers’ attention, too. When you engage with them, you are giving them control of the discourse and allowing them to decide what you (and your followers) talk (or don’t talk) about.
Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D @rvawonk
Honest-to-goodness dialogue. Yes, please.
Posters who have no interest in reading and responding to specific points in the direct line of the discussion. No, thank you.
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 9, 2022 21:56:48 GMT
from the horse’s pixie’s mouth: And I stand by my statement: Hundreds arrested for storming the capitol on January 6th and hundreds arrested for violently protesting Trump defies your claim of immorality on one side only.The Left is just as guilty of mass violence in several instances -just in the last few years, despite the claim of your OP. Biden calling Trump an illegitimate president, along with many others doing so publicly, trying to undo a peaceful transfer of power for 4 years even before he was even sworn in and when he was days away from leaving office, defies your claim of the Left being gracious in defeat. YOU are the one who brought comparative numbers into the discussion. Then you went on to say “the left is just as guilty of mass violence …. ” No, actually, we aren’t nearly as prone to violence as the right. And when our outliers do get violent, we decry the violence, we don’t call them great patriots. So please stop claiming we are misconstruing your statements. Showing vague numbers to show that the Left is violent too is not the same as attempting to dismiss that fact by adding up actual numbers.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 9, 2022 21:58:59 GMT
oh, BS. You’ve been insisting this entire thread that Democratic violence is equivalent to Republican violence. Only you can’t back up that claim with actual facts, so now that’s not the argument you were making. Your video clips of random small bits of rioting are in no way equal to an attempt to overthrow a lawful election. Sorry. No, what I said is the Left is not morally superior since they DO commit violence. And they're not gracious at loosing. YOU ALL tried to dismiss that by citing numbers. Despite your repeated attempts to dismiss the above, it still stands true. Irony is not dead. How can you type that with a straight face? Trump lost and invented a lie that is being perpetuated to this day. Many people are bad losers. I don’t think that it’s a left/right thing. But Trump takes the cake for being the biggest sore loser ever.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 9, 2022 22:00:03 GMT
oh, BS. You’ve been insisting this entire thread that Democratic violence is equivalent to Republican violence. Only you can’t back up that claim with actual facts, so now that’s not the argument you were making. Your video clips of random small bits of rioting are in no way equal to an attempt to overthrow a lawful election. Sorry. No, what I said is the Left is not morally superior since they DO commit violence. And they're not gracious at loosing. YOU ALL tried to dismiss that by citing numbers. Despite your repeated attempts to dismiss the above, it still stands true. Poor old pixiechick everyone is picking on her. Quit playing the victim. Its getting old. You were simply asked to provide the facts to what you were claiming and refused to do so and then you get all pissy because no one is buying what you are selling. Now if you want to claim what you are spouting is just your opinion then fine. My response would be you are entitled to your opinion and I disagree with your opinion. End of discussion. But you can’t do that can you because you always have to be right. And let me give you a piece of advice, you are always going to lose when making comparisons using trump, the majority of his supporters and the majority of Republicans who hold elected offices. In modern times this country has never seen what is currently happening because of the actions of trump, his supporters and Republicans holding elected office. This country is truly in unchartered waters because of their actions and there is no comparison from others, past or current, to come even close to what this crowd is doing.
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 9, 2022 22:02:10 GMT
Thought this was very appropriate to the way some on this thread are posting: I see a lot of people who I follow responding to this tweet (substitute post), so maybe it’s time to talk about outrage trolls. These accounts are not bots; they’re people who post intentionally inflammatory, over-the-top statements... They want you to respond. That’s the whole point.... Outrage trolls don’t want dialogue, and you aren’t going to get one. They exist to waste your time and your followers’ time, to pollute your feed, to distract you from more important issues, and to make you angry enough to say something you regret. These people exist to hijack your attention — and if you’re a large account, to hijack your followers’ attention, too. When you engage with them, you are giving them control of the discourse and allowing them to decide what you (and your followers) talk (or don’t talk) about. Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D @rvawonk Honest-to-goodness dialogue. Yes, please. Posters who have no interest in reading and responding to specific points in the direct line of the discussion. No, thank you. Just stop. Disagreeing with your assessment that the Left is virtuous and the Right is evil does not make me a troll. Smearing those with opposing opinion vs. arguing the topic, is not honest-to-goodness dialogue on your part.
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 9, 2022 22:05:45 GMT
No, what I said is the Left is not morally superior since they DO commit violence. And they're not gracious at loosing. YOU ALL tried to dismiss that by citing numbers. Despite your repeated attempts to dismiss the above, it still stands true. Irony is not dead. How can you type that with a straight face? Trump lost and invented a lie that is being perpetuated to this day. Many people are bad losers. I don’t think that it’s a left/right thing. But Trump takes the cake for being the biggest sore loser ever. I don’t think that it’s a left/right thing. The entire point of the OP was to show how virtuous the left is, as opposed to the right.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 22:13:52 GMT
The entire point of the OP was to show how virtuous the left is, as opposed to the right. And the point has been made w/multiple citations. The rioters you referenced were not "THE LEFT!" As they stated from their own mouths. They are anarchists whose only joy is to cause trouble - whether the Dem candidate had won or the GOP candidate won. I haven't seen you present one rebuttal to that point that has been made MULTIPLE times.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 9, 2022 22:31:34 GMT
Irony is not dead. How can you type that with a straight face? Trump lost and invented a lie that is being perpetuated to this day. Many people are bad losers. I don’t think that it’s a left/right thing. But Trump takes the cake for being the biggest sore loser ever. I don’t think that it’s a left/right thing. The entire point of the OP was to show how virtuous the left is, as opposed to the right. I was responding to your comment that the Left is not gracious at losing.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 9, 2022 23:06:15 GMT
oh, BS. You’ve been insisting this entire thread that Democratic violence is equivalent to Republican violence. Only you can’t back up that claim with actual facts, so now that’s not the argument you were making. Your video clips of random small bits of rioting are in no way equal to an attempt to overthrow a lawful election. Sorry. No, what I said is the Left is not morally superior since they DO commit violence. And they're not gracious at loosing. YOU ALL tried to dismiss that by citing numbers. Despite your repeated attempts to dismiss the above, it still stands true. Let's look at the facts about the transition of power. Hilary Clinton conceded the night of the election. The Obama administration invited Trump to the White House, cooperated fully with the transition team, included him in briefings. Only 1 Democratic representative objected to the certification of the election. Trump never conceded. Trump blocked access to the Biden transition team and denied access to daily briefings. Trump filed 60 court cases full of lies. His team prepared a power point for how to overturn an election. He pressured Pence to object to the certification of votes. He personally called the Georgia governor and secretary of state to pressure them to find 11,000 votes. He attempted to interfere with the Michigan state certification of the votes and invited Michigan state representatives to the White House to pressure them. He tried to pressure the legislature in Pennsylvania to appoint electors loyal to him. 127 Republican representatives objected to the certification of the vote A year later, Trump continues to push the big lie about election fraud despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Can you really say with a straight face that the Democrats are not gracious at losing AND neglect to call out the Republicans for their adversarial, antagonistic, hostile, dangerous, violent behavior?
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 10, 2022 0:35:57 GMT
Poor old pixiechick everyone is picking on her. Quit playing the victim. Its getting old. Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say that or insinuate that. When you do that it says more about you. You were simply asked to provide the facts to what you were claiming and refused to do so and then you get all pissy because no one is buying what you are selling. I provided a link in my very first post, the very first response to the OP. I have repeatedly told you that and you have repeatedly "missed" it. Now if you want to claim what you are spouting is just your opinion then fine. My response would be you are entitled to your opinion and I disagree with your opinion. End of discussion. Do you really need to be told that someone is stating their opinion? My response would be you are entitled to your opinion and I disagree with your opinion. End of discussion. But you can’t do that can you because you always have to be right.And let me give you a piece of advice, you are always going to lose when making comparisons using trump, the majority of his supporters and the majority of Republicans who hold elected offices. Who is it again that always has to be right? Is this like the time you told me I didn't know when to walk away, AFTER I had walked away and hadn't responded to a post in 5 days?
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 10, 2022 0:37:21 GMT
The entire point of the OP was to show how virtuous the left is, as opposed to the right. I was responding to your comment that the Left is not gracious at losing. Trump may be the biggest sore loser ever, but that doesn't mean the Left was gracious in their loss.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 10, 2022 0:56:13 GMT
I was responding to your comment that the Left is not gracious at losing. Trump may be the biggest sore loser ever, but that doesn't mean the Left was gracious in their loss. Gracious in their loss of what election? Wait, are you talking about Hillary? She was gracious. We weren’t. I own that. We protested, but didn’t quite work up to storming the Capitol and trying to prevent an election from being certified. To this day I have no regrets. I might not have liked previous Republican Presidents, but I never felt like any of them thought that they were king. Trump is a horror show.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 1:14:12 GMT
I was. I peacefully protested the election of a buffoonish man who was in no way good enough to be our President, imo. But I did not call for his ouster, did not call him illegitimate. That was my point in the original post. MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF US peacefully protested the inauguration of Trump on 1/21/17. And yet we managed to do that w/o breaking into the Capitol, putting our feet on legislators' desks, breaking windows, assaulting officers, etc. I am proud of what we did. "Between 3,267,134 and 5,246,670 people participated in the marches in the U.S.,[26] approximately 1.0 to 1.6 percent of the U.S. population. Worldwide participation has been estimated at over seven million.[11][12][27] At least 408 marches were reported to have been planned in the U.S. and 168 in 81[11] other countries.[28] After the marches, organizers reported that around 673 marches took place worldwide, on all seven continents, 29 in Canada, 20 in Mexico,[13] and 1 in Antarctica.[29][30] The crowds were peaceful: no arrests were made in D.C., Chicago, Los Angeles, New York City, or Seattle, where a combined total of about two million people marched.[32] "
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Women%27s_March
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 10, 2022 1:26:47 GMT
I was. I peacefully protested the election of a buffoonish man who was in no way good enough to be our President, imo. But I did not call for his ouster, did not call him illegitimate. That was my point in the original post. MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF US peacefully protested the inauguration of Trump on 1/21/17. And yet we managed to do that w/o breaking into the Capitol, putting our feet on legislators' desks, breaking windows, assaulting officers, etc. I am proud of what we did. "Between 3,267,134 and 5,246,670 people participated in the marches in the U.S.,[26] approximately 1.0 to 1.6 percent of the U.S. population. Worldwide participation has been estimated at over seven million.[11][12][27] At least 408 marches were reported to have been planned in the U.S. and 168 in 81[11] other countries.[28] After the marches, organizers reported that around 673 marches took place worldwide, on all seven continents, 29 in Canada, 20 in Mexico,[13] and 1 in Antarctica.[29][30] The crowds were peaceful: no arrests were made in D.C., Chicago, Los Angeles, New York City, or Seattle, where a combined total of about two million people marched.[32] "
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Women%27s_March
I was peaceful, but I said some nasty things about Trump. Come to think of it, I still do.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 10, 2022 3:39:29 GMT
Poor old pixiechick everyone is picking on her. Quit playing the victim. Its getting old. Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say that or insinuate that. When you do that it says more about you. You were simply asked to provide the facts to what you were claiming and refused to do so and then you get all pissy because no one is buying what you are selling. I provided a link in my very first post, the very first response to the OP. I have repeatedly told you that and you have repeatedly "missed" it. Now if you want to claim what you are spouting is just your opinion then fine. My response would be you are entitled to your opinion and I disagree with your opinion. End of discussion. Do you really need to be told that someone is stating their opinion? My response would be you are entitled to your opinion and I disagree with your opinion. End of discussion. But you can’t do that can you because you always have to be right.And let me give you a piece of advice, you are always going to lose when making comparisons using trump, the majority of his supporters and the majority of Republicans who hold elected offices. Who is it again that always has to be right? Is this like the time you told me I didn't know when to walk away, AFTER I had walked away and hadn't responded to a post in 5 days? This was what you said… “Hundreds arrested for storming the capitol on January 6th and hundreds arrested for violently protesting Trump defies your claim of immorality on one side only. The Left is just as guilty of mass violence in several instances -just in the last few years, despite the claim of your OP.”This is “your link” that was dated 1-20-2017 Other then saying there were “violent protests in the DC area” it offers no details of how many there were. Then you go on to say “the left is guilty of mass violence in several instances- JUST IN THE LAST FEW YEARS” So unless the outlet for in link has a crystal ball and can see into the future the protests in your link were for the DC area on the date of the tweet which is 1-20-2017. So what “mass violence in several instances - just in the last few years “ are you talking about? This must be the 5th time I have asked this question and you keep dancing around it by claiming you provided a link. Which is a tweet using less then 240 characters to say there were “violent protests throughout the DC area after dumpster don was sworn in as president”. Which was on January 20, 2017. So are the “ mass violence in several instances- just in the last few years” the protests that happened in the DC area on 1-20-2017? Or are you talking about other protests because if you are, you are not providing any details when asked but expect us to “take your word for it”. So which is it? And when people “don’t take your word for it” you start acting like a victim. Win was the wrong word. A better term is “to make your point”. The current point you are trying to make is the left is just as violent as the right when it comes to protests but offer very little details other then a single tweet about protests that happened on a single day. And from what zima has said, it may not have been the left behind those violent protests that happen on 1-20-2017. Which you seem to be ignoring. This is my opinion. I’m not a fan of protests for a lot of reasons. Having said that what trump supporters did on January 6, 2021 when they attacked the Capital to stop the certification of a legal election and possibly kill the Vice President and Speaker of the House is far more damaging to this country then any previous “violent” protest by the right or the left to date. If you do not understand that, it says a lot about you and not necessarily in a good way. And you will never make a “valid point” if you continue to do comparisons using trump, his supporters or Republicans in Congress or state government. Because the goal of trump and Republicans is to grab power anyway they can, keep it at the expense of the country and trump’s supporters are complicit. And the reason you will never make one of your “valid points” is because, once again, in modern times no one in the past or now have come close to doing the crap this crowd is doing and attempting to do. And once again, if you don’t understand that… By the way, do you now understand what “peaceful transfer of power” means? And you don’t know when to walk away. You could have made what you felt was your “valid point” and walked away several posts ago. But yet here you still are. Actually I’ve gotten pretty good at walking away. And I’m going to do it now. Posting this and I won’t be back to this thread. Time to move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 4:00:15 GMT
but I said some nasty things about Trump I said nasty things about his actions and behavior. I don't give a Sh#($ about him personally.
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 10, 2022 14:36:04 GMT
Trump may be the biggest sore loser ever, but that doesn't mean the Left was gracious in their loss. Gracious in their loss of what election? Wait, are you talking about Hillary? She was gracious. We weren’t. I own that. We protested, but didn’t quite work up to storming the Capitol and trying to prevent an election from being certified. To this day I have no regrets. I might not have liked previous Republican Presidents, but I never felt like any of them thought that they were king. Trump is a horror show. Hillary was not gracious. Oh, she said all the right things in her concession speech. But then, she called Trump an illegitimate president. She was whining embarrassingly on a video conference BEFORE she even lost about not being 50 points ahead. She wrote a book whining about her loss. She went on a blame game tour to whine and blame every thing and everyone ELSE for her loss. People got sick of hearing her whine about her loss. She's still publicly whining about it almost a year after Trump has been out of office. That's not gracious, that's a sore loser. Stacey Abrams, Andrew Gillum, Bill Nelson... all sore losers.
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 10, 2022 14:41:11 GMT
So what “mass violence in several instances - just in the last few years “ are you talking about? The DC riot I linked NYC Minneapolis Portland Kenosha Philadelphia At least 13 instances of violence against Trump voters that I linked in July. Possibly incited by Maxine Waters' speech that was clearly going to incite violence. Win was the wrong word. A better term is “to make your point”. No, that was exactly what you meant to impart when you said "And let me give you a piece of advice, you are always going to lose" and told me to "sit down" the other day via a tweet you posted. You accuse others of needing the last word, but it is you that needs to disagree and have people sit down and shut up when you have said they are wrong. If anyone stands by their statement and backs it up with why they don't agree that they are wrong, you don't like that, so that's when you start smearing in order to get them to acquiesce or smear them more if they don't. The current point you are trying to make is the left is just as violent as the right when it comes to protests The point I AM making is that the Left is not morally superior since they DO commit violence. And they're not always so gracious at loosing.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 10, 2022 14:45:55 GMT
Gracious in their loss of what election? Wait, are you talking about Hillary? She was gracious. We weren’t. I own that. We protested, but didn’t quite work up to storming the Capitol and trying to prevent an election from being certified. To this day I have no regrets. I might not have liked previous Republican Presidents, but I never felt like any of them thought that they were king. Trump is a horror show. Hillary was not gracious. Oh, she said all the right things in her concession speech. But then, she called Trump an illegitimate president. She was whining embarrassingly on a video conference BEFORE she even lost about not being 50 points ahead. She wrote a book whining about her loss. She went on a blame game tour to whine and blame every thing and everyone ELSE for her loss. People got sick of hearing her whine about her loss. She's still publicly whining about it almost a year after Trump has been out of office. That's not gracious, that's a sore loser. Stacey Abrams, Andrew Gillum, Bill Nelson... all sore losers. Lol, just not as sore a loser as Trump. I mean, at least she wasn’t at the center of a Capitol riot. Ok, Democrats can be sore losers. I guess that the difference for me is that they are not actively trying to circumvent elections in order to make sure that their preferred candidate wins.
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 10, 2022 15:21:47 GMT
Ok, Democrats can be sore losers. That's what I'm saying. I guess that the difference for me is that they are not actively trying to circumvent elections in order to make sure that their preferred candidate wins. Wellllllll... there was the Hunter Biden story held back and a disinformation campaign against it, just for one instance. Until AFTER the election when then they said oh, yeah, it's not Russian disinformation.
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