sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 7, 2022 23:14:46 GMT
Are non-Americans not people? As far as the US supreme court goes, no. Be grateful for that. |
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Post by lucyg on Jan 7, 2022 23:17:25 GMT
If he was referring to worldwide cases, then he needed to make that clear. This was said during a Supreme Court hearing regarding U.S. vaccine mandates. Worldwide flu deaths would be irrelevant, and if he’s deliberately quoting worldwide flu numbers in comparison to U.S.-only COVID deaths, that’s completely disingenuous. Are you seriously sulking because you think we think non-Americans aren’t people? I've messed up the quoting function on my earlier reply. Please see my response above. I've also realised what felt weird about your "sulking" comment: it's the kind of thing racists say when their racism is pointed out to them. Perhaps you should reflect on that too. Oh. I see you’re perfectly capable of dishing it out, but not so great at getting it back. All righty then. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 8, 2022 0:30:16 GMT
This Newsweek article suggests Gorsuch was referring to US deaths from the flu. They were discussing OSHA regulations. In this context, it doesn't make sense to talk about worldwide deaths. www.newsweek.com/justice-neil-gorsuch-slammed-after-he-suggests-flu-kills-hundreds-thousands-each-year-1667015
"The flu kills people every year," Gorsuch said. "Traditionally OSHA does not regulate in this area."
"COVID-19 is unprecedented," U.S. solicitor general Elizabeth Prelogar responded.
"We have flu vaccines. Flu kills—I believe—hundreds of thousands of people every year," the conservative justice said in an incorrect assertion. "How do we regulate that?" he asked. |
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 8, 2022 0:32:55 GMT
I mean his mother was Anne Burford so let’s not be surprised he doesn’t want federal agencies to make Americans safe.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 8, 2022 0:38:40 GMT
More context from the guardian. It seems less likely he was referring to worldwide deaths. www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2022/jan/07/us-politics-supreme-court-vaccine-mandate-biden-republicans-democrats-live-updates?page=with:block-61d87fae8f0813d917536faa&filterKeyEvents=false#liveblog-navigation
“The flu kills people every year,” Justice Neil Gorsuch said. “Traditionally OSHA does not regulate in this area.”
“Covid-19 is unprecedented,” said US solicitor general Elizabeth Prelogar.
Gorsuch immediately snapped back, bringing up polio and how OSHA has never required a polio vaccine. Then he returned to the flu. “We have flu vaccines. The flu kills hundreds of thousands of people every year. How do we regulate that?” Gorsuch asked.
(The flu results in about 12,000 to 52,000 deaths annually, according to the CDC. The CDC tallied about 385,343 deaths from Covid-19 in 2020, and 385,348 in 2021).
Prelogar responded that the difference between Covid-19 and polio was that virtually all workers at one time or another had been inoculated against polio (92.6% children by the age of 24 months). She also pointed out that the flu was a seasonal virus.
“Are you suggesting it does not pose the same risk?” Gorsuch asked.
“Certainly if there was a similar 1918 influenza outbreak like there was before” then OSHA would consider a similar measure, Prelogar responded.
Quick note that polio is also an odd disease for Gorsuch to bring up as a point against the vaccine-or-test mandate - it was pretty much eliminated from the US because of a robust vaccination effort. |
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 8, 2022 2:04:00 GMT
That was my impression when I listened to some of the arguments today..
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 8, 2022 4:38:49 GMT
I mean his mother was Anne Burford so let’s not be surprised he doesn’t want federal agencies to make Americans safe. I didn't know his family background, I found this. This was not encouraging in terms of the vaccine mandates www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/02/01/neil-gorsuchs-mother-once-ran-the-epa-it-was-a-disaster/In this case, which turned on a decision by the Board of Immigration Appeals, Gorsuch questioned the legal doctrine often known as “Chevron deference,” in reference to the 1984 Supreme Court case Chevron v. NRDC, in which the court ruled that in situations of statutory ambiguity, courts should allow expert government agencies to fill gaps and interpret what Congress meant in fulfilling their legal mandates, provided they do so in a defensible way. This ruling is crucial for the defense of many actions by the EPA, and in fact the Chevron case turned on one of them.
But Gorsuch suggested of Chevron that it might be a good thing if this “Goliath of modern administrative law were to fall.” “We managed to live with the administrative state before Chevron,” he concluded. “We could do it again. Put simply, it seems to me that in a world without Chevron very little would change — except perhaps the most important things.”
Gorsuch’s Chevron related opinion “may make people feel uncomfortable, and feel that agencies, particularly agencies that are given a lot of gap filling responsibilities by Congress in existing law, are going to be hamstrung,” said Collins. We can bet that Gorsuch will be asked about his Chevron views in his confirmation hearings |
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 8, 2022 4:41:57 GMT
I mean his mother was Anne Burford so let’s not be surprised he doesn’t want federal agencies to make Americans safe. I didn't know his family background, I found this. This was not encouraging in terms of the vaccine mandates www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/02/01/neil-gorsuchs-mother-once-ran-the-epa-it-was-a-disaster/In this case, which turned on a decision by the Board of Immigration Appeals, Gorsuch questioned the legal doctrine often known as “Chevron deference,” in reference to the 1984 Supreme Court case Chevron v. NRDC, in which the court ruled that in situations of statutory ambiguity, courts should allow expert government agencies to fill gaps and interpret what Congress meant in fulfilling their legal mandates, provided they do so in a defensible way. This ruling is crucial for the defense of many actions by the EPA, and in fact the Chevron case turned on one of them.
But Gorsuch suggested of Chevron that it might be a good thing if this “Goliath of modern administrative law were to fall.” “We managed to live with the administrative state before Chevron,” he concluded. “We could do it again. Put simply, it seems to me that in a world without Chevron very little would change — except perhaps the most important things.”
Gorsuch’s Chevron related opinion “may make people feel uncomfortable, and feel that agencies, particularly agencies that are given a lot of gap filling responsibilities by Congress in existing law, are going to be hamstrung,” said Collins. We can bet that Gorsuch will be asked about his Chevron views in his confirmation hearingsI went to policy school and his mother's EPA tenure was taught as a case study (in "this is really bad!") He has always really irked me because he tries to offer this "aw shucks I'm just a regular dude from some Western state" persona when he is from this extraordinarily elite background. |
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Post by cindosha on Jan 8, 2022 13:53:40 GMT
More context from the guardian. It seems less likely he was referring to worldwide deaths. www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2022/jan/07/us-politics-supreme-court-vaccine-mandate-biden-republicans-democrats-live-updates?page=with:block-61d87fae8f0813d917536faa&filterKeyEvents=false#liveblog-navigation
“The flu kills people every year,” Justice Neil Gorsuch said. “Traditionally OSHA does not regulate in this area.”
“Covid-19 is unprecedented,” said US solicitor general Elizabeth Prelogar.
Gorsuch immediately snapped back, bringing up polio and how OSHA has never required a polio vaccine. Then he returned to the flu. “We have flu vaccines. The flu kills hundreds of thousands of people every year. How do we regulate that?” Gorsuch asked.
(The flu results in about 12,000 to 52,000 deaths annually, according to the CDC. The CDC tallied about 385,343 deaths from Covid-19 in 2020, and 385,348 in 2021).
Prelogar responded that the difference between Covid-19 and polio was that virtually all workers at one time or another had been inoculated against polio (92.6% children by the age of 24 months). She also pointed out that the flu was a seasonal virus.
“Are you suggesting it does not pose the same risk?” Gorsuch asked.
“Certainly if there was a similar 1918 influenza outbreak like there was before” then OSHA would consider a similar measure, Prelogar responded.
Quick note that polio is also an odd disease for Gorsuch to bring up as a point against the vaccine-or-test mandate - it was pretty much eliminated from the US because of a robust vaccination effort.Maybe people shouldn’t just assume that he wasn’t referring to worldwide deaths He never said US deaths. It’s no different than sotomeyer claiming that 100,000 children are in serious condition with covid and many are ventilated. Even fauci disputes that. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 8, 2022 14:54:14 GMT
More context from the guardian. It seems less likely he was referring to worldwide deaths. www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2022/jan/07/us-politics-supreme-court-vaccine-mandate-biden-republicans-democrats-live-updates?page=with:block-61d87fae8f0813d917536faa&filterKeyEvents=false#liveblog-navigation
“The flu kills people every year,” Justice Neil Gorsuch said. “Traditionally OSHA does not regulate in this area.”
“Covid-19 is unprecedented,” said US solicitor general Elizabeth Prelogar.
Gorsuch immediately snapped back, bringing up polio and how OSHA has never required a polio vaccine. Then he returned to the flu. “We have flu vaccines. The flu kills hundreds of thousands of people every year. How do we regulate that?” Gorsuch asked.
(The flu results in about 12,000 to 52,000 deaths annually, according to the CDC. The CDC tallied about 385,343 deaths from Covid-19 in 2020, and 385,348 in 2021).
Prelogar responded that the difference between Covid-19 and polio was that virtually all workers at one time or another had been inoculated against polio (92.6% children by the age of 24 months). She also pointed out that the flu was a seasonal virus.
“Are you suggesting it does not pose the same risk?” Gorsuch asked.
“Certainly if there was a similar 1918 influenza outbreak like there was before” then OSHA would consider a similar measure, Prelogar responded.
Quick note that polio is also an odd disease for Gorsuch to bring up as a point against the vaccine-or-test mandate - it was pretty much eliminated from the US because of a robust vaccination effort.Maybe people shouldn’t just assume that he wasn’t referring to worldwide deaths He never said US deaths. It’s no different than sotomeyer claiming that 100,000 children are in serious condition with covid and many are ventilated. Even fauci disputes that. Difference is we’re not going around claiming she meant worldwide numbers and not US. She messed up. It’s OK to admit your guy did, too. |
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Post by cindosha on Jan 8, 2022 15:32:43 GMT
Maybe people shouldn’t just assume that he wasn’t referring to worldwide deaths He never said US deaths. It’s no different than sotomeyer claiming that 100,000 children are in serious condition with covid and many are ventilated. Even fauci disputes that. Difference is we’re not going around claiming she meant worldwide numbers and not US. She messed up. It’s OK to admit your guy did, too. It doesn’t matter. Hers was specific. His wasn’t. Your side tends to put words into everyone’s mouths. There is no difference. It’s all about the news sources and social media and how they project things. |
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 8, 2022 16:06:30 GMT
More context from the guardian. It seems less likely he was referring to worldwide deaths. www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2022/jan/07/us-politics-supreme-court-vaccine-mandate-biden-republicans-democrats-live-updates?page=with:block-61d87fae8f0813d917536faa&filterKeyEvents=false#liveblog-navigation
“The flu kills people every year,” Justice Neil Gorsuch said. “Traditionally OSHA does not regulate in this area.”
“Covid-19 is unprecedented,” said US solicitor general Elizabeth Prelogar.
Gorsuch immediately snapped back, bringing up polio and how OSHA has never required a polio vaccine. Then he returned to the flu. “We have flu vaccines. The flu kills hundreds of thousands of people every year. How do we regulate that?” Gorsuch asked.
(The flu results in about 12,000 to 52,000 deaths annually, according to the CDC. The CDC tallied about 385,343 deaths from Covid-19 in 2020, and 385,348 in 2021).
Prelogar responded that the difference between Covid-19 and polio was that virtually all workers at one time or another had been inoculated against polio (92.6% children by the age of 24 months). She also pointed out that the flu was a seasonal virus.
“Are you suggesting it does not pose the same risk?” Gorsuch asked.
“Certainly if there was a similar 1918 influenza outbreak like there was before” then OSHA would consider a similar measure, Prelogar responded.
Quick note that polio is also an odd disease for Gorsuch to bring up as a point against the vaccine-or-test mandate - it was pretty much eliminated from the US because of a robust vaccination effort.The vaccines for polio became available during the mid 1950’s. OSHA was not created until 1971. So who knows what OSHA would have done in the 1950’s during the height of the epidemic as respects to polio. The BIGGEST difference between the flu and COVID-19 is how sick someone can get from COVID compared to the flu. Seriously how many people who get the flu spend weeks hooked up to a ventilator or become what are called “long haulers” because they continue to have different symptoms long after they are over COVID? Comparing COVID to the flu is irresponsible. And if you are Justice on the Supreme Court set to hear a case about a particular subject then they had darn well better do their homework beforehand so the questions they ask don’t make them look like ignorant idiots. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 8, 2022 16:27:44 GMT
Gorsuch just spouted FOX lies!! Great source, NOT!!
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Post by Merge on Jan 8, 2022 16:43:40 GMT
Difference is we’re not going around claiming she meant worldwide numbers and not US. She messed up. It’s OK to admit your guy did, too. It doesn’t matter. Hers was specific. His wasn’t. Your side tends to put words into everyone’s mouths. There is no difference. It’s all about the news sources and social media and how they project things. Hmmm, maybe more about you believing what you want to believe instead of looking at facts in context. Your side does a lot of that. What does it hurt to admit that Gorsuch misspoke, in the context of all the massive and purposeful lies told by your side over the past several years. Only one side is currently working to end democracy in America. Only one side is engaged in a death cult that would rather die while owning the libs than end this pandemic. It isn’t my side. |
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Post by cindosha on Jan 8, 2022 16:48:33 GMT
It doesn’t matter. Hers was specific. His wasn’t. Your side tends to put words into everyone’s mouths. There is no difference. It’s all about the news sources and social media and how they project things. Hmmm, maybe more about you believing what you want to believe instead of looking at facts in context. Your side does a lot of that. What does it hurt to admit that Gorsuch misspoke, in the context of all the massive and purposeful lies told by your side over the past several years. Only one side is currently working to end democracy in America. Only one side is engaged in a death cult that would rather die while owning the libs than end this pandemic. It isn’t my side. Hmmmm. You believe what you want to believe and I’ll believe what I want to believe. You’re never going to get a straight story from any news source or social media site. Every source is going to spin it whatever way they want it. And people are going to believe what they want to believe and hear what they want to hear and do what they want to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 16:52:00 GMT
Hmmm, maybe more about you believing what you want to believe instead of looking at facts in context. Your side does a lot of that. What does it hurt to admit that Gorsuch misspoke, in the context of all the massive and purposeful lies told by your side over the past several years. Only one side is currently working to end democracy in America. Only one side is engaged in a death cult that would rather die while owning the libs than end this pandemic. It isn’t my side. Hmmmm. You believe what you want to believe and I’ll believe what I want to believe. You’re never going to get a straight story from any news source or social media site. Every source is going to spin it whatever way they want it. And people are going to believe what they want to believe and hear what they want to hear and do what they want to do. "I refuse to admit that I'm wrong." Here's the thing about facts - they don't give a shit about your "beliefs." |
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Post by Merge on Jan 8, 2022 16:56:25 GMT
Hmmm, maybe more about you believing what you want to believe instead of looking at facts in context. Your side does a lot of that. What does it hurt to admit that Gorsuch misspoke, in the context of all the massive and purposeful lies told by your side over the past several years. Only one side is currently working to end democracy in America. Only one side is engaged in a death cult that would rather die while owning the libs than end this pandemic. It isn’t my side. Hmmmm. You believe what you want to believe and I’ll believe what I want to believe. You’re never going to get a straight story from any news source or social media site. Every source is going to spin it whatever way they want it. And people are going to believe what they want to believe and hear what they want to hear and do what they want to do. So you’re agreeing that Gorsuch told a whopper. Good job. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 8, 2022 17:23:38 GMT
Hmmm, maybe more about you believing what you want to believe instead of looking at facts in context. Your side does a lot of that. What does it hurt to admit that Gorsuch misspoke, in the context of all the massive and purposeful lies told by your side over the past several years. Only one side is currently working to end democracy in America. Only one side is engaged in a death cult that would rather die while owning the libs than end this pandemic. It isn’t my side. Hmmmm. You believe what you want to believe and I’ll believe what I want to believe. You’re never going to get a straight story from any news source or social media site. Every source is going to spin it whatever way they want it. And people are going to believe what they want to believe and hear what they want to hear and do what they want to do. No, but you can get the exact quote and context from c-span, without spin. They covered the entire hearing. And yes, the far right has clearly demonstrated with the big lie and misinformation regarding the vaccines that they believe what far right media sources and politicians tell them, regardless of clear, undeniable facts. Just because Trump Republicans believe false information that doesn't mean that they get a free pass to spread that misinformation in false posts, comments or statements. I recognize that you and pixiechick are clearly lost causes, but that doesn't mean that we should let your misinformation, false comparisons, false equivalencies stand unchallenged. |
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 8, 2022 18:27:27 GMT
Here is the transcript. The official no spin transcript of the oral arguments about the vaccine mandate released by the Supreme Court.
Aaron pulled the part that shows Gorsuch’s quote. The link for the entire transcript is in the tweet.
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Post by hookturnian on Jan 9, 2022 2:31:21 GMT
I've messed up the quoting function on my earlier reply. Please see my response above. I've also realised what felt weird about your "sulking" comment: it's the kind of thing racists say when their racism is pointed out to them. Perhaps you should reflect on that too. Oh. I see you’re perfectly capable of dishing it out, but not so great at getting it back. All righty then. Do you seriously not get how bizarre your "sulking" comment is? A statement was posted, without any context, that the flu kills hundreds of thousands of people. A number of people responded saying the number was wrong, and only quoted American figures. I asked a question, which can be rephrased as, do non-American lives not matter? Your response was essentially "are you sulking because you think we think non-American lives don't matter"? If you still don't get why your reply was odd, try replacing the word non-American with Black. What's next, are you going to go full Trumper and call people snowflakes? |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 9, 2022 4:23:56 GMT
Are non-Americans not people? No one is suggesting that non-Americans don't matter or are not people. Worldwide flu deaths matter, but are not relevant to the US Supreme Court and the case they were hearing. The context was a US Supreme Court case and the question if a federal agency, OSHA, has the authority to mandate vaccines for American workers. The full quote and context has been posted, it doesn't make any sense that Gorsuch was talking about flu deaths worldwide. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 9, 2022 20:29:29 GMT
Oh. I see you’re perfectly capable of dishing it out, but not so great at getting it back. All righty then. Do you seriously not get how bizarre your "sulking" comment is? A statement was posted, without any context, that the flu kills hundreds of thousands of people. A number of people responded saying the number was wrong, and only quoted American figures. I asked a question, which can be rephrased as, do non-American lives not matter? Your response was essentially "are you sulking because you think we think non-American lives don't matter"? If you still don't get why your reply was odd, try replacing the word non-American with Black. What's next, are you going to go full Trumper and call people snowflakes? Without context? The context *is* he’s a US Supreme Court justice, which is currently hearing arguments on US vaccine mandates. |
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Post by lucyg on Jan 9, 2022 20:38:58 GMT
Oh. I see you’re perfectly capable of dishing it out, but not so great at getting it back. All righty then. Do you seriously not get how bizarre your "sulking" comment is? A statement was posted, without any context, that the flu kills hundreds of thousands of people. A number of people responded saying the number was wrong, and only quoted American figures. I asked a question, which can be rephrased as, do non-American lives not matter? Your response was essentially "are you sulking because you think we think non-American lives don't matter"? If you still don't get why your reply was odd, try replacing the word non-American with Black. What's next, are you going to go full Trumper and call people snowflakes? ya know, you could have walked into this thread about a U.S. Supreme Court Justice speaking in a U.S. court about a U.S. government agency and U.S. vaccine mandates, and asked, “Do you think he might have been referring to worldwide flu deaths rather than just the U.S.?” Instead, you chose to attack the U.S. peas (who knew, more or less, what we were talking about), with undercurrents of anti-Americanism. So don’t be surprised that you irritated at least one of us. And I’m not all that interested in whether you found my response odd or not. Carry on. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 9, 2022 21:05:53 GMT
It doesn’t matter. Hers was specific. His wasn’t. Your side tends to put words into everyone’s mouths. There is no difference. It’s all about the news sources and social media and how they project things. Hmmm, maybe more about you believing what you want to believe instead of looking at facts in context. Your side does a lot of that. What does it hurt to admit that Gorsuch misspoke, in the context of all the massive and purposeful lies told by your side over the past several years. Only one side is currently working to end democracy in America. Only one side is engaged in a death cult that would rather die while owning the libs than end this pandemic. It isn’t my side. I have no idea what Gorsuch meant, but if he did mean worldwide deaths, I wonder why. This is, after all, a US case about mandates here in the US. But whatever. I agree with you Merge, there is 1 side who claimed that an election was stolen, who tried to stop Biden’s election from being certified by rioting, and which has enacted state laws to make it less convenient to vote. The most alarming trend is what looks to be sets efforts to shift election oversight to…guess who? www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2021/07/28/republican-legislators-curb-authority-of-county-state-election-officials |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 9, 2022 21:20:37 GMT
Oh. I see you’re perfectly capable of dishing it out, but not so great at getting it back. All righty then. Do you seriously not get how bizarre your "sulking" comment is? A statement was posted, without any context, that the flu kills hundreds of thousands of people. A number of people responded saying the number was wrong, and only quoted American figures. I asked a question, which can be rephrased as, do non-American lives not matter? Your response was essentially "are you sulking because you think we think non-American lives don't matter"? If you still don't get why your reply was odd, try replacing the word non-American with Black. What's next, are you going to go full Trumper and call people snowflakes? Yes, non-American lives matter. But in this particular instance, the SC Justice was talking about American vaccine mandates. His implication is that the flu kills more or as many people here in the US than Covid, which is not true. Justice Gorsuch was wondering why there was no flu vaccine mandate here in the US. Some people listened to the audio of the hearing and have suggested that he actually said “hundreds, thousands.” Who knows? That would make more sense, but weaken his point, I think, since Covid has killed many more people. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 9, 2022 21:51:51 GMT
Are non-Americans not people? No one is suggesting that non-Americans don't matter or are not people. Worldwide flu deaths matter, but are not relevant to the US Supreme Court and the case they were hearing. The context was a US Supreme Court case and the question if a federal agency, OSHA, has the authority to mandate vaccines for American workers. The full quote and context has been posted, it doesn't make any sense that Gorsuch was talking about flu deaths worldwide. Or he was disingenuously using worldwide data flu mortality rates to make his case. It’s not like US specific flu mortality data isn’t available. But like mollycoddle pointed out, that would’ve weakened the argument he thought he was making. |
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Post by myshelly on Jan 9, 2022 22:11:52 GMT
I mean, it is pretty telling about this board that a whole thread was started about and people are upset over Gorsuch’s incorrect info (which could be correct depending on context), but no one is upset about Sotomayor’s misinfo, which is incorrect in any context.
And I say this as someone who actually likes and has met and talked to Sotomayor and never watched Fox News a day in my life.
Let’s not pretend like this is an issue with only one side having misinformation and only one side being political.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 9, 2022 22:57:35 GMT
I started the thread as you well know. I had not heard about Sotomayor's incorrect comment, which was wrong. And no, she should not get a pass.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 9, 2022 23:04:26 GMT
I mean, it is pretty telling about this board that a whole thread was started about and people are upset over Gorsuch’s incorrect info (which could be correct depending on context), but no one is upset about Sotomayor’s misinfo, which is incorrect in any context. And I say this as someone who actually likes and has met and talked to Sotomayor and never watched Fox News a day in my life. Let’s not pretend like this is an issue with only one side having misinformation and only one side being political. We did that a few days ago. Um, I have said and am happy to say again that Sotomayor said something that isn’t true. Your turn. I'm disappointed in Sotomayor, I have high expectations of her and all of the justices. She was wrong and should make a statement correcting that. Gorsuch was also wrong, but I think his misinformation is more dangerous. The false information that covid is just like the flu is one of the reasons people are refusing the vaccine. Gorsuch also needs to correct his misinformation. I think the comments and questions from the judges on both sides on the vaccine cases clearly show the polarization and politicalization of the court. Roberts' and ACB's comments denying that are disingenuous. The “both sides” argument from death cultists and terrorism supporters is wearing a bit thin. Very, very thin. That being said I was rather disappointed in Sotomayor too, who normally has her facts in order, making that statement. Especially given the data backs up mandates working. But I have no problem saying that either. But assumptions are always fun. |
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Post by myshelly on Jan 9, 2022 23:22:45 GMT
I mean, it is pretty telling about this board that a whole thread was started about and people are upset over Gorsuch’s incorrect info (which could be correct depending on context), but no one is upset about Sotomayor’s misinfo, which is incorrect in any context. And I say this as someone who actually likes and has met and talked to Sotomayor and never watched Fox News a day in my life. Let’s not pretend like this is an issue with only one side having misinformation and only one side being political. We did that a few days ago. Um, I have said and am happy to say again that Sotomayor said something that isn’t true. Your turn. I'm disappointed in Sotomayor, I have high expectations of her and all of the justices. She was wrong and should make a statement correcting that. Gorsuch was also wrong, but I think his misinformation is more dangerous. The false information that covid is just like the flu is one of the reasons people are refusing the vaccine. Gorsuch also needs to correct his misinformation. I think the comments and questions from the judges on both sides on the vaccine cases clearly show the polarization and politicalization of the court. Roberts' and ACB's comments denying that are disingenuous. Very, very thin. That being said I was rather disappointed in Sotomayor too, who normally has her facts in order, making that statement. Especially given the data backs up mandates working. But I have no problem saying that either. But assumptions are always fun. I can’t find a thread about it. |
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