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Post by paigepea on Jan 15, 2022 13:40:13 GMT
Yesterday our gov’t reported that our covid cases have peaked during this wave and are on the downswing. Hospitals expected to peak in the next two weeks. Then our school reported an upcoming change to isolation rules in the coming weeks but didn’t say what. Said to be ready for a change. We’re already at 5 days isolation. I talked to someone in healthcare administration. He said it’s a move to no more isolation. Treating covid as endemic. A cold. Stay in if you’re sick. Yearly shot mixed with flu. No more testing unless you end up in hospital and they want to know what you have to help treat you. An approval for these new antivirals in the coming weeks that work like tamiflu. He said this move to endemic should come quickly worldwide. By spring. So literally an end in site. Yet virus everywhere in the community. Just there all of the time like a cold.
Has anyone else heard this? Thoughts?
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Post by iowgirl on Jan 15, 2022 13:58:38 GMT
Yet virus everywhere in the community. Just there all of the time like a cold. I was reading more about the "Spanish Flu" pandemic, and it was noted that a less deadly strain was still going around in the later 1950's. It had just been folded in with the regular flu strains. I am really hoping that the end is in sight!
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Post by johnnysmom on Jan 15, 2022 14:03:55 GMT
I can see that happening if they can get the hospitalizations in check. Until then the young, healthy and vaccinated people are still going to put their lives on hold (via quarantine) for the ones who won’t vaccinate and are high risk of taking up medical resources. Hopefully once tamiflu like meds are widely available that will ease the burden.
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Post by paigepea on Jan 15, 2022 14:08:53 GMT
I can see that happening if they can get the hospitalizations in check. Until then the young, healthy and vaccinated people are still going to put their lives on hold (via quarantine) for the ones who won’t vaccinate and are high risk of taking up medical resources. Hopefully once tamiflu like meds are widely available that will ease the burden. Yes. Last night on our national news they said approval in 6-10 weeks for these antivirals. Once the cases drop and the hospitals peak then the hospitalizations will drop. Our gov’t predicted 3 weeks from now the hospitalizations will start to drop.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 15, 2022 14:27:14 GMT
Is that the same med that has been approved here but they don’t have nearly enough of it yet? Or something different? Either way, you still would need to get tested and get a prescription I would imagine. Just like Tamiflu.
Do home tests count towards the numbers? I’m not sure where we are with numbers right now and if it looks like we are at the peak, but I think there are a lot of people who aren’t getting tested or who are doing home tests. The hospitalizations and deaths are the key numbers, imo.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 15, 2022 14:30:53 GMT
Yesterday our gov’t reported that our covid cases have peaked during this wave and are on the downswing. Hospitals expected to peak in the next two weeks. Then our school reported an upcoming change to isolation rules in the coming weeks but didn’t say what. Said to be ready for a change. We’re already at 5 days isolation. I talked to someone in healthcare administration. He said it’s a move to no more isolation. Treating covid as endemic. A cold. Stay in if you’re sick. Yearly shot mixed with flu. No more testing unless you end up in hospital and they want to know what you have to help treat you. An approval for these new antivirals in the coming weeks that work like tamiflu. He said this move to endemic should come quickly worldwide. By spring. So literally an end in site. Yet virus everywhere in the community. Just there all of the time like a cold. Has anyone else heard this? Thoughts? I have also heard something very similar, but not with a timeline (just eventually it would become this way). ETA: my friend who works in bio-health (I can't remember his exact field) in a lab made this comment.
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Post by paigepea on Jan 15, 2022 14:33:00 GMT
Is that the same med that has been approved here but they don’t have nearly enough of it yet? Or something different? Either way, you still would need to get tested and get a prescription I would imagine. Just like Tamiflu. Do home tests count towards the numbers? I’m not sure where we are with numbers right now and if it looks like we are at the peak, but I think there are a lot of people who aren’t getting tested or who are doing home tests. The hospitalizations and deaths are the key numbers, imo. No. New meds. Yes, I said they’d test you if you end up in hospital. Like they test for flu if you end up in hospital. No, doesn’t really have anything to do with testing numbers. Now gov’ts use wastewater to determine how much virus is circulating in the community. Ours peaked last week. Rapid tests, etc are just not accurate enough anymore.
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Post by gar on Jan 15, 2022 14:34:00 GMT
I think we're heading in that direction too, towards endemic rather than pandemic. BBC
"We're almost there, it is now the beginning of the end, at least in the UK," Prof Julian Hiscox, chairman in infection and global health at the University of Liverpool, tells me. "I think life in 2022 will be almost back to before the pandemic." "What's changing is our immunity. The new coronavirus first emerged two years ago in Wuhan, China, and we were vulnerable. It was a completely new virus that our immune systems had not experienced before and we had no drugs or vaccines to help. The result was like taking a flamethrower into a fireworks factory. Covid spread explosively around the world - but that fire cannot burn at such high intensity forever. There were two options - either we would extinguish Covid, as we did with Ebola in West Africa, or it would die down but be with us for the long term. It would join the swarm of endemic diseases - such as common colds, HIV, measles, malaria and tuberculosis - that are always there." Inevitably not everyone agrees that you're past the worst yet in the USA unfortunately. This report I read this morning gets to talking about when the worst will be over towards the end of this piece BBC
"Dr Larsen added that "it's incredibly frustrating" to hear Americans downplay the ongoing threat of Omicron and believe that, like South Africa, the US may soon emerge from the current surge. "The seasonality is also different," he said. "Omicron's surge through South Africa was during their summer, and it's hitting us in winter when we know more people gather indoors and there's more transmission…it's going to be bad." In the US, both Dr Cameron and Dr Gandhi suggested that they believe hospital admissions may peak in February or March.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2022 14:34:55 GMT
I don't know how an endemic will be here by spring when the 2 new antivirals (approved in the US) will not have a large enough stock for those who need it for about a year.
They take for-ev-er to produce.
For the foreseeable future they are only for specific persons in certain high risk categories.
I won't believe it until 1. Mask mandates are gone, 2. Hospitals aren't overran with positive patients, 3. There is a large stock of antivirals that work, 4. There is ease of obtaining test kits, and 5. No more surges/deadly variants.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 15, 2022 14:44:22 GMT
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Post by gar on Jan 15, 2022 14:49:36 GMT
It always seems to come back to the possibility of a variant doesn't it
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Post by paigepea on Jan 15, 2022 14:57:31 GMT
Don’t viruses evolve to cause fewer and fewer symptoms. That is how they can replicate and stay alive? Let’s hope that any new variants are less severe than omicron. That is my hope!
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Post by christine58 on Jan 15, 2022 15:09:12 GMT
I think it’s too early to jump up and down thinking anywhere has reached a peak. Too many factors that have not changed like hospitalization rates and deaths.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 15, 2022 15:09:13 GMT
The reality.
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Post by gar on Jan 15, 2022 15:11:31 GMT
Gee...what a ray of sunshine that tweet is!!
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jan 15, 2022 15:12:23 GMT
we are seeing this right now also. Positive cases are up by 30-40%, BUT hospitalization is down, or holding steady. We don't have anyone in our ICU on a vent, but we have some COVID cases.
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Post by iluvpink on Jan 15, 2022 15:18:40 GMT
Gosh I hope that happens and fairly soon. So many people I know who work in schools and/or have young children in school/daycare are really struggling with the almost constant tests, quarantining, shut downs, etc. I don't know how much more they can take.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2022 15:45:59 GMT
It looks like the World Health Organisation does not agree with it being classed as endemic at this point in time. www.reuters.com/world/europe/omicron-infect-more-than-half-europes-population-6-8-weeks-who-2022-01-11/ That would imply treating the virus as an endemic illness, rather than a pandemic, without recording every case and without testing all people presenting symptoms.
But that is "a way off", WHO's senior emergency officer for Europe, Catherine Smallwood, said at the briefing, adding that endemicity requires a stable and predictable transmission.
"We still have a huge amount of uncertainty and a virus that is evolving quite quickly, imposing new challenges. We are certainly not at the point where we are able to call it endemic," Smallwood said.
"It may become endemic in due course, but pinning that down to 2022 is a little bit difficult at this stage."
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Post by voltagain on Jan 15, 2022 15:55:14 GMT
Yesterday our gov’t reported that our covid cases have peaked during this wave and are on the downswing. Hospitals expected to peak in the next two weeks. Then our school reported an upcoming change to isolation rules in the coming weeks but didn’t say what. Said to be ready for a change. We’re already at 5 days isolation. I talked to someone in healthcare administration. He said it’s a move to no more isolation. Treating covid as endemic. A cold. Stay in if you’re sick. Yearly shot mixed with flu. No more testing unless you end up in hospital and they want to know what you have to help treat you. An approval for these new antivirals in the coming weeks that work like tamiflu. He said this move to endemic should come quickly worldwide. By spring. So literally an end in site. Yet virus everywhere in the community. Just there all of the time like a cold. Has anyone else heard this? Thoughts? I've heard it but not from anyone I believe. Honestly I do think it will be classed as endemic and the quarantine, masking etc stopped BUT only because the population is rebelling; not because it is safe to go back to 2018 normal but because people just don't care any more. Life with things in constant shutdown/open, quarantine/not, is a hard life to make plans. Parents can't get dependable schooling/daycare for children so many have not returned to work. Call it endemic and ignore it is an attempt to return to 2018.
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Post by voltagain on Jan 15, 2022 16:04:00 GMT
Don’t viruses evolve to cause fewer and fewer symptoms. That is how they can replicate and stay alive? Let’s hope that any new variants are less severe than omicron. That is my hope! Not necessarily. If it were so viruses like the cold and flu viruses would eventually disappear. The "spanish flu" was the original H1NI. The original virus still exists in the wild. Some years we get a mild variant, some years like 1972 and 2009 we get very severe outbreaks mutated variants. While none have been AS deadly world wide at the original pandemic it is still killing people world wide today.
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Post by seaexplore on Jan 15, 2022 16:20:26 GMT
Yesterday our gov’t reported that our covid cases have peaked during this wave and are on the downswing. Hospitals expected to peak in the next two weeks. Then our school reported an upcoming change to isolation rules in the coming weeks but didn’t say what. Said to be ready for a change. We’re already at 5 days isolation. I talked to someone in healthcare administration. He said it’s a move to no more isolation. Treating covid as endemic. A cold. Stay in if you’re sick. Yearly shot mixed with flu. No more testing unless you end up in hospital and they want to know what you have to help treat you. An approval for these new antivirals in the coming weeks that work like tamiflu. He said this move to endemic should come quickly worldwide. By spring. So literally an end in site. Yet virus everywhere in the community. Just there all of the time like a cold. Has anyone else heard this? Thoughts? I've heard it but not from anyone I believe. Honestly I do think it will be classed as endemic and the quarantine, masking etc stopped BUT only because the population is rebelling; not because it is safe to go back to 2018 normal but because people just don't care any more. Life with things in constant shutdown/open, quarantine/not, is a hard life to make plans. Parents can't get dependable schooling/daycare for children so many have not returned to work. Call it endemic and ignore it is an attempt to return to 2018. Nailed it!
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Post by sueg on Jan 15, 2022 16:52:48 GMT
The top virologists here have been talking about this during the week, and they are saying it is probably too soon to declare covid as endemic. Yes, there is a glimmer of hope with how omicron is behaving, but there is nothing to suggest there won't be another, more severe, variant just yet. We still haven't hit our peak, I don't think. School was back Monday, and with it came the expected increase in cases - all students were required to have at least a rapid test before attending, so naturally they picked up quite a few cases. It will probably be a few weeks until numbers settle down a bit.
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Post by milocat on Jan 15, 2022 16:56:30 GMT
Have they peaked and are coming down? Or is there just no way to test everyone so they have no idea of the numbers? How many provinces can't test everyone that needs to be tested?
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Post by Skellinton on Jan 15, 2022 17:11:06 GMT
Yesterday our gov’t reported that our covid cases have peaked during this wave and are on the downswing. Hospitals expected to peak in the next two weeks. Then our school reported an upcoming change to isolation rules in the coming weeks but didn’t say what. Said to be ready for a change. We’re already at 5 days isolation. I talked to someone in healthcare administration. He said it’s a move to no more isolation. Treating covid as endemic. A cold. Stay in if you’re sick. Yearly shot mixed with flu. No more testing unless you end up in hospital and they want to know what you have to help treat you. An approval for these new antivirals in the coming weeks that work like tamiflu. He said this move to endemic should come quickly worldwide. By spring. So literally an end in site. Yet virus everywhere in the community. Just there all of the time like a cold. Has anyone else heard this? Thoughts? I've heard it but not from anyone I believe. Honestly I do think it will be classed as endemic and the quarantine, masking etc stopped BUT only because the population is rebelling; not because it is safe to go back to 2018 normal but because people just don't care any more. Life with things in constant shutdown/open, quarantine/not, is a hard life to make plans. Parents can't get dependable schooling/daycare for children so many have not returned to work. Call it endemic and ignore it is an attempt to return to 2018. I agree with you 100%. Our school district (Portland, OR) has decided that they are no longer considering an exposure an exposure as long as the kids are masked. Meaning no more quarantine or testing if you are sitting at a table group with someone who tests positive. I absolutely agree that people are sick and tired of covid and are just going ostrich and ignoring it. My state has suspended all elective surgeries because the hospitals are strained to the breaking point, local schools have gone remote due to staff shortages, and I think oregon is calling National Guard to assist in their hospitals. We are not getting better around here.
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Post by ntsf on Jan 15, 2022 17:36:02 GMT
my dh was in the hospital yesterday for a minor surgery. the staff are short handed, stuff has been put on hold.. so even if the numbers of seriously sick has gone down, the effect on staffing means we are still in a bad place.. and we are somewhere where the vax rates are high. too many people tired of it.. so it will keep being a problem
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Post by Basket1lady on Jan 15, 2022 17:49:58 GMT
I pray that you are right, OP. But I’ll believe it when I see it. We had what, 2 months before cases started creeping up again? We never stopped masking here in Belgium.
I have some sinus crud right now. I’m 95% sure that it’s just because 3 fields around our house were harvested on Thursday. But I’m playing that “what if” mind game. I haven’t been around anyone to be considered as an exposure who is sick, which is why I’m pretty sure it’s just from all the harvesting. We will see what tomorrow brings.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2022 18:47:34 GMT
The health department here is doing random testing in schools. There has not been a school in the city that I am in that has not been shut down because there are just too many cases. It's like watching dominos fall. Each day, two or three more schools shut down. They close for a week (trying to maintain online schooling...whatever) and then will reopen. They haven't even hit the area where are schools are yet.
The government is still pretty strict here about masking in public places and you do have to show your vaccine card to get in. You can tell though that people here definitely have Covid fatigue. You used to have to wear your mask in the car and the police would stop you and ticket you if you weren't wearing it. Not anymore.
But masks are still required in all schools.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 15, 2022 19:00:28 GMT
It looks like the World Health Organisation does not agree with it being classed as endemic at this point in time. www.reuters.com/world/europe/omicron-infect-more-than-half-europes-population-6-8-weeks-who-2022-01-11/ That would imply treating the virus as an endemic illness, rather than a pandemic, without recording every case and without testing all people presenting symptoms.
But that is "a way off", WHO's senior emergency officer for Europe, Catherine Smallwood, said at the briefing, adding that endemicity requires a stable and predictable transmission.
"We still have a huge amount of uncertainty and a virus that is evolving quite quickly, imposing new challenges. We are certainly not at the point where we are able to call it endemic," Smallwood said.
"It may become endemic in due course, but pinning that down to 2022 is a little bit difficult at this stage." Probably because WHO has to consider the entire world, and not just one highly vaxxed country.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2022 20:30:40 GMT
“With evidence growing that the current crop of COVID-19 vaccines are less protective against infection with Omicron, both Pfizer and Moderna have announced plans to develop new versions of their mRNA-based shots that are tailored to the new variant”
pharmaphorum.com/news/pfizer-moderna-are-prepping-new-vaccines-for-omicron/The above article continues to say that the new vaccines may be available spring / autumn .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 19:25:32 GMT
An endemic? Maybe. abc7.com/covid-variant-omicron-symptoms-new-next/11475730/"Since it emerged in mid-November, omicron has raced across the globe like fire through dry grass. Research shows the variant is at least twice as contagious as delta and at least four times as contagious as the original version of the virus. Omicron is more likely than delta to reinfect individuals who previously had COVID-19 and to cause "breakthrough infections" in vaccinated people while also attacking the unvaccinated. The World Health Organization reported a record 15 million new COVID-19 cases for the week of Jan. 3-9, a 55% increase from the previous week. Along with keeping comparatively healthy people out of work and school, the ease with which the variant spreads increases the odds the virus will infect and linger inside people with weakened immune systems - giving it more time to develop potent mutations. "It's the longer, persistent infections that seem to be the most likely breeding grounds for new variants," said Dr. Stuart Campbell Ray, an infectious disease expert at Johns Hopkins University. "It's only when you have very widespread infection that you're going to provide the opportunity for that to occur." Because omicron appears to cause less severe disease than delta, its behavior has kindled hope that it could be the start of a trend that eventually makes the virus milder like a common cold. It's a possibility, experts say, given that viruses don't spread well if they kill their hosts very quickly. But viruses don't always get less deadly over time."
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