tanya2
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Post by tanya2 on Jan 16, 2022 21:39:13 GMT
I really hope that is the case, but I agree with others that I will believe it when I see it. And curious to see what will happen to mask mandates if it is considered endemic. Are we doomed to wear them forever?!
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Post by mom2jnk on Jan 16, 2022 22:48:42 GMT
Don’t viruses evolve to cause fewer and fewer symptoms. That is how they can replicate and stay alive? Let’s hope that any new variants are less severe than omicron. That is my hope! Unfortunately, no. That's not the way that natural selection in viruses works, especially not a virus of zoonotic origin like this one that can potentially bounce between animal and human hosts. It's really just a crap shoot. Hope is a fabulous thing to have at this point in the pandemic, so I hate to shoot you down, but viruses are gonna virus and keep mutating as long as they have hosts that they can infect. I see a lot of people spreading this idea, but it really doesn't follow the science.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 17, 2022 3:59:31 GMT
Is that the same med that has been approved here but they don’t have nearly enough of it yet? Or something different? Either way, you still would need to get tested and get a prescription I would imagine. Just like Tamiflu. Do home tests count towards the numbers? I’m not sure where we are with numbers right now and if it looks like we are at the peak, but I think there are a lot of people who aren’t getting tested or who are doing home tests. The hospitalizations and deaths are the key numbers, imo. No. New meds. Yes, I said they’d test you if you end up in hospital. Like they test for flu if you end up in hospital. No, doesn’t really have anything to do with testing numbers. Now gov’ts use wastewater to determine how much virus is circulating in the community. Ours peaked last week. Rapid tests, etc are just not accurate enough anymore. If you want to get Tamiflu, you would need to be tested early into your illness and get meds within 48 hours of symptoms starting. So, If the new antivirals are the same way, people would still need to get tested early in their illness, not when they got to the Hospital. I think antivirals are a good thing, but if Covid continues to be highly contagious, we will need a lot of it and people will need to get it early in order to reduce the hospitalizations. I have to wonder how many people will actually do that. ETA that the med that I was referring to is Paxlovid. It has been authorized for emergency use in high risk people. I’m not sure if that is the same one you are talking about or something different.
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paigepea
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Post by paigepea on Jan 20, 2022 14:20:05 GMT
Our country did approve the antivirals. They need to be taken within 5 days of symptoms.
We also reduced isolation for the unvaxxed to 5 days.
I did see the UK has gotten rid of all covid everything. No more testing, isolating, masking, distancing, work from home etc.
I saw masking suggested in busy areas inside but not required, not even at school, and staying when feeling unwell suggested.
I think my country will move this way in the next few months.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 20, 2022 14:25:38 GMT
I’m not sure I would use the direction the UK has taken now, as evidence of it becoming endemic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 15:44:53 GMT
Our country did approve the antivirals. They need to be taken within 5 days of symptoms. We also reduced isolation for the unvaxxed to 5 days. I did see the UK has gotten rid of all covid everything. No more testing, isolating, masking, distancing, work from home etc. I saw masking suggested in busy areas inside but not required, not even at school, and staying when feeling unwell suggested. I think my country will move this way in the next few months. The no more testing isn't true. Not sure where you got that info from. We are still testing and are encouraged to still do so. It's true that mask mandates in schools for the 11 year olds and over have been lifted as of today. Other mandatory mask-wearing ( in indoor venues such as shops, cinemas, theatres etc and public transport ) and COVID certification needed for theatres and football games and such like, will also end from Thursday of next week They've lifted the request to work from home if it was possible so now everyone can return to offices. Self isolation rules are still in place but will end before March 24th ( the date the mandate originally lasted until) Our rules have to be approved by parliament and have to have an end day to them, either for reconsideration/renewal or to end them altogether depending on the science and data they have at the time. The above decisions have been taken as things are here in the UK at the moment and should a new more severe mutation appear then things could very well be totally different. We do have a very high level of vaccination uptake in the UK and more importantly a very high uptake of the booster ( 63.7% of the population) especially by the older age groups and the more vulnerable and it seems as if it's worked. This is reflected in the low number of hospital admissions. Most of them unvaccinated. It isn't prudent to compare one country with another though as every country is at a different stage of this pandemic. .
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 20, 2022 16:15:18 GMT
Our country did approve the antivirals. They need to be taken within 5 days of symptoms. We also reduced isolation for the unvaxxed to 5 days. I did see the UK has gotten rid of all covid everything. No more testing, isolating, masking, distancing, work from home etc. I saw masking suggested in busy areas inside but not required, not even at school, and staying when feeling unwell suggested. I think my country will move this way in the next few months. The no more testing isn't true. Not sure where you got that info from. We are still testing and are encouraged to still do so. It's true that mask mandates in schools for the 11 year olds and over have been lifted as of today. Other mandatory mask-wearing ( in indoor venues such as shops, cinemas, theatres etc and public transport ) and COVID certification needed for theatres and football games and such like, will also end from Thursday of next week They've lifted the request to work from home if it was possible so now everyone can return to offices. Self isolation rules are still in place but will end before March 24th ( the date the mandate originally lasted until) Our rules have to be approved by parliament and have to have an end day to them, either for reconsideration/renewal or to end them altogether depending on the science and data they have at the time. The above decisions have been taken as things are here in the UK at the moment and should a new more severe mutation appear then things could very well be totally different. We do have a very high level of vaccination uptake in the UK and more importantly a very high uptake of the booster ( 63.7% of the population) especially by the older age groups and the more vulnerable and it seems as if it's worked. This is reflected in the low number of hospital admissions. Most of them unvaccinated. It isn't prudent to compare one country with another though as every country is at a different stage of this pandemic. . I thought they were still testing too. So I went to refresh my memory. But then … I went back to Wordle and got distracted, and haven’t yet. 😂😂 I have a friend there who had Covid over Christmas and because she’s still quite sick (she got residual blood clots and bronchitis) from it) and is still getting tested now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 16:57:14 GMT
The situation is bad in the UK - I hate quoting statistics like this , it is so sad , each number is a life lost leaving a grieving family. below is a quote from this news article - www.itv.com/news/2022-01-17/almost-85000-daily-covid-cases-and-85-deaths-reported-in-uk“ A further 84,429 people in the UK have tested positive for Covid in the last 24-hour reporting period.
The latest government data represents a 42% drop in positive cases over the past seven days. However, the number of deaths within 28 days of testing positive from the virus have increased by 39%, likely due to a lag between a Covid infection and death. 85 people died as of Thursday, which brings the UK's total death toll to 150,075.
Separate figures published by the Office for National Statistics show there have been 176,000 deaths registered in the UK where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 16:59:35 GMT
The no more testing isn't true. Not sure where you got that info from. We are still testing and are encouraged to still do so. It's true that mask mandates in schools for the 11 year olds and over have been lifted as of today. Other mandatory mask-wearing ( in indoor venues such as shops, cinemas, theatres etc and public transport ) and COVID certification needed for theatres and football games and such like, will also end from Thursday of next week They've lifted the request to work from home if it was possible so now everyone can return to offices. Self isolation rules are still in place but will end before March 24th ( the date the mandate originally lasted until) Our rules have to be approved by parliament and have to have an end day to them, either for reconsideration/renewal or to end them altogether depending on the science and data they have at the time. The above decisions have been taken as things are here in the UK at the moment and should a new more severe mutation appear then things could very well be totally different. We do have a very high level of vaccination uptake in the UK and more importantly a very high uptake of the booster ( 63.7% of the population) especially by the older age groups and the more vulnerable and it seems as if it's worked. This is reflected in the low number of hospital admissions. Most of them unvaccinated. It isn't prudent to compare one country with another though as every country is at a different stage of this pandemic. . I thought they were still testing too. So I went to refresh my memory. But then … I went back to Wordle and got distracted, and haven’t yet. 😂😂 I have a friend there who had Covid over Christmas and because she’s still quite sick (she got residual blood clots and bronchitis) from it) and is still getting tested now. They're a long way before they stop testing. There's too much scientific data to be gathered from the tests and it's been very useful so far. There are a number of research projects going on about the virus and without those tests they wouldn't be able to do most of their work. In addition to that, we have one of the most up to date and also leaders in genome sequencing, the first step to catching new mutations/variants. Everyday testing such as testing before you go to the theatre as a precaution might drop off but they won't stop the testing of symptomatic cases any time soon. Hope your friend will get better soon.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 20, 2022 17:12:49 GMT
How much do Boris Johnson’s troubles have to do with the lifting of restrictions in the UK?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 17:19:34 GMT
How much do Boris Johnson’s troubles have to do with the lifting of restrictions in the UK? Or the conservatives pushing for this. They seem to be in charge of him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 17:23:28 GMT
How much do Boris Johnson’s troubles have to do with the lifting of restrictions in the UK? Non, they were due to be reviewed anyhow yesterday. We knew that from when they announced plan B weeks ago. Same as the March 24th date for isolations. All restrictions that have been put in place at various stages of the pandemic has to be approved by parliament and they have to have an "end" date for reviewing them and in turn either extend them until a further date depending on the data or let them end on that " end" date. Just to clarify - Boris doesn't have executive powers in the same way as your President does so he couldn't make or removed conditions without the agreement of parliament. And to be fair both sides have been in agreement for most of the restrictions we've had to endure throughout this pandemic. They might argue about other policies but they have worked together in so far as the health of the nations is concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 17:29:28 GMT
This government poll shows 73% of people think he is doing badly. yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/boris-johnson-approval-ratingThis lifting of restrictions could well be a last ditch attempt to reverse his unpopularity. Personally , I think that lifting of restrictions is the worst move and will increase cases , Long Covid and sadly deaths .
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 20, 2022 17:30:19 GMT
I thought they were still testing too. So I went to refresh my memory. But then … I went back to Wordle and got distracted, and haven’t yet. 😂😂 I have a friend there who had Covid over Christmas and because she’s still quite sick (she got residual blood clots and bronchitis) from it) and is still getting tested now. They're a long way before they stop testing. There's too much scientific data to be gathered from the tests and it's been very useful so far. There are a number of research projects going on about the virus and without those tests they wouldn't be able to do most of their work. In addition to that, we have one of the most up to date and also leaders in genome sequencing, the first step to catching new mutations/variants. Everyday testing such as testing before you go to the theatre as a precaution might drop off but they won't stop the testing of symptomatic cases any time soon. Hope your friend will get better soon. You are correct, there is still a lot of useful info to be gained from testing, including quick identification of any potential new variants. I hope so too. She was vaxxed and boostered, too. And she still got really sick, so I’m grateful she had them. They suspect residual pulmonary embolism, but won’t know until the CT scan is done, and with hospitals being busy there, she couldn’t get that till next Monday. They sent her home with injectable blood thinners and antibiotics for her bronchitis till then.
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Post by gar on Jan 20, 2022 17:47:26 GMT
There is a difference between people dying of Covid and people dying with Covid. See second and third graphs. BBC
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Post by craftykitten on Jan 20, 2022 18:39:36 GMT
There is a difference between people dying of Covid and people dying with Covid. See second and third graphs. BBCActually, the number of people whose Covid is incidental (like, they went in for a broken arm and found they had covid) is very, very small. Even if people are “dying with” covid, it is often because the covid has made their other condition worse. Don’t be sucked in to that particular lie.
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Post by gar on Jan 20, 2022 18:41:23 GMT
There is a difference between people dying of Covid and people dying with Covid. See second and third graphs. BBCActually, the number of people whose Covid is incidental (like, they went in for a broken arm and found they had covid) is very, very small. Even if people are “dying with” covid, it is often because the covid has made their other condition worse. Don’t be sucked in to that particular lie. Hmm, ok, I'll have to looking it further.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 18:42:29 GMT
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Post by scorpeao on Jan 20, 2022 20:15:15 GMT
it makes sense. everyone I know that has been vaccinated and now have covid are saying their symptoms are that of a cold. Now, most of them say it's a lingering cold, but just a cold.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 20:54:17 GMT
The numbers of current hospital admissions are much higher than previous years before the pandemic by comparison.
Our Hospital is on black alert for the very first time in it’s history. Ambulances are being replaced by the military as they can no longer cope.
People with heart attacks are told to get family members to drive them to hospital instead of calling an ambulance.
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Post by mom on Jan 20, 2022 21:31:41 GMT
My area is NOT slowing down. We are at 26% hospitalization rate. My city of 200,000 has over 10,000 active cases as of today.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 20, 2022 21:46:29 GMT
My area is NOT slowing down. We are at 26% hospitalization rate. My city of 200,000 has over 10,000 active cases as of today. We aren’t, either. 22% positivity rate and 📈and 3,000 new cases a day - which we weren’t even close to doing during our Nov 2020 surge. 😕
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Post by mom on Jan 20, 2022 21:50:04 GMT
My area is NOT slowing down. We are at 26% hospitalization rate. My city of 200,000 has over 10,000 active cases as of today. We aren’t, either. 22% positivity rate and 📈and 3,000 new cases a day - which we weren’t even close to doing during our Nov 2020 surge. 😕Same for us. I see more masks now than ever before as well when I go out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 21:55:03 GMT
There was an article in the Independent recently that covered a leaked e-mail from the NHS National Health Service in England . The email in question was warning regional Hospitals to underplay the Covid crisis and not to declare critical incidents . Fortunately some Hospitals have chosen to be truthful and not given into bullying. This is a link to that article via msn. www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/nhs-accused-of-bullying-hospitals-into-silence-over-scale-of-crisis/ar-AASyT61quotes “ NHS leaders accused of ‘bullying’ hospitals into silence over scale of Covid crisis
NHS leaders have been accused of downplaying the impact of the Covid crisis and putting hospitals under scrutiny for declaring critical incidents and postponing surgeries.
A leaked email urges hospitals to use the “correct terminology” and make NHS leaders aware when declaring their status.
Sources said the message was a “thinly veiled threat” and that there was “subtle pressure” amid the rapid spread of Omicron.
At least 24 trusts have declared critical incidents this week, including one in Northamptonshire on Friday afternoon, while new figures show a 59 per cent rise in staff absences in just seven days.
Trusts in London were told hospitals will be scrutinised for declaring a critical incident if there is “doubt” over the decision, according to an internal email sent from NHS England on Wednesday”
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Post by Restless Spirit on Jan 20, 2022 23:33:49 GMT
I’m in Indiana. Indiana has 92 counties. Today, every single county is in “the red”, the worst category for COVID transmission. As of last Friday there were 873,480 positive COVID-19 cases in the state. Over 16,000 people tested positive on Tuesday of this week. I know people keep saying don’t make this political but ….This is a very Republican, anti-VAX, Anti-mask, Trump loving state. Coincidence? I think not.
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