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Post by sleepingbooty on Jan 16, 2022 23:31:17 GMT
French newspaper of reference Le Monde has just posted an article about mothers being the great absentees from family photos. It is not behind a paywall so you can throw it into Google Translate if you wish to read the entire piece. Knowing that the majority of scrapbookers and Peas are mothers, I thought I'd share this interesting and pretty unnerving analysis on the presence of mothers alongside children in photos which ultimately constitute the record of family life for not only the current generations but also those still to come. The article was born out of an observation made by Laura Vallet, a librarian and mother, who tracks down the place of women in society. As a librarian, she often counts the parts played by boys and girls respectively in childhood fiction and questions how both genders are represented. For anyone interested, her French blog on childhood literature is here. This time, she counted the amount of times she appears alongside her children in family photos. She notes that she mostly appears on what she refers to as "ritual photos", yearly photos taken by someone else (birthday celebrations, Christmas, etc.) and on wedding portraits. She was only featured twice on her own in thsoe 450 family life photos. Sociologist Illana Weizman explains that the significantly lesser occurrence of mothers in family photos underlines the load that befalls mothers in pretty much all domains of parenting, especially when it comes to emotions and memories. "It is a system in which mothers are always at a disadvantage, in which mothers are always expected to think of everything." A debate on Twitter ensued with people noting you'd think fathers did most of the parenting load going by the family photo archive. Or perhaps that is considered normal that women do most of the parenting work so their absence from family photos is almost a given. Whatever your take on it, consider this your reminder to include yourself in your photos more for 2022. If there is one good resolution we can take as documenters, it is to be more present, right there, not just in the journaling or the work of creating family albums, but also in the photos themselves. Bring your role in your family to life, fellow Peas! Celebrate everything you do and make it visible. You are a huge part of your family. And as a childfree person, I'm taking this as a cue to photograph my own mother more this year and make sure she is regularly present in my album this year. Because I do realise, looking at my own childhood photos, that she wasn't featured enough (it's a good thing I love taking photos as a kid or she'd barely be in those). Here's a 2019 article by Chelsey Hill on the same matter, Why Moms Need to Start Including Themselves in Family Photos, for some extra thinking on the matter.
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Post by leeny on Jan 16, 2022 23:38:02 GMT
When looking at my Mom's childhood photo's they never had both my grandparents, because one or the other always took the photo. It was sad not to be able to see my Mom, her brother and her parents in one photo.
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Post by dawnnikol on Jan 17, 2022 0:07:29 GMT
Thank you for sharing, Booty. Just today DH was holding my big camera while we were in the snow with the kids and he actually turned it on and snapped a few of me sledding with the kids. Without being asked!! They are a little blurry and I look a little crazed, but I'm there with my kids and that's the most important part.
Get in the photos, Peaps!
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Post by mom on Jan 17, 2022 0:22:45 GMT
I have noticed lately that I am never in any photos. When we were in Hawaii back in September f+(for 10 days!) I only made it into 6 photos. But I have hundreds of the scenery and of my husband. Made me sad looking through the photos. I have to do better about getting in the photo.
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Post by dawnnikol on Jan 17, 2022 0:58:54 GMT
I have noticed lately that I am never in any photos. When we were in Hawaii back in September f+(for 10 days!) I only made it into 6 photos. But I have hundreds of the scenery and of my husband. Made me sad looking through the photos. I have to do better about getting in the photo. I definitely have to hand off the camera most times and ask for the photo or do a selfie. I also have had to let go of my idea of the "perfect" photo and just roll with it when it's in someone else's hands. Get the settings ready on the camera and pray.
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Post by merry27 on Jan 17, 2022 2:00:41 GMT
I have noticed lately that I am never in any photos. When we were in Hawaii back in September f+(for 10 days!) I only made it into 6 photos. But I have hundreds of the scenery and of my husband. Made me sad looking through the photos. I have to do better about getting in the photo. Same! We went to Hawaii right before Covid and I'm in very few pictures. Sigh. I hate having my picture taken but need to make more of an effort.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jan 17, 2022 9:44:28 GMT
This is such the sad truth!
A million moons ago, I traveled with my exh all over the world. I took thousands of gorgeous photos of him in touristy & not touristy places. And I always made sure to catch him in a good pose, with a good expression.
And yet, for every single photo I would have to ask him to bother taking a photo, and he'd just snap one off quickly with zero thought & whatever I got, I got.
It was the age of digital, so really no excuse.
Now I'm single and I take lots of selfies with the kids, and timer photos. It's harder to make them look composed that way, but it's better than zero.
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Post by kmage on Jan 17, 2022 12:57:07 GMT
I take lots of selfies with the kids This is really what changed it for me, the decent cell phone camera. You can tell in my albums exactly when I got a cell with a good camera because I start showing up a lot more!
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Post by ecvnj58 on Jan 17, 2022 13:47:52 GMT
It’s so true. I’m trying to be better about it. I used to be super critical of myself but I did 100 days of self portraits and that really helped me jump in the frame more. I don’t trust my husband to take photos of me and the kids so I do it myself. The interval timer in my camera has been game changing. I think my scrapbooks are a reflection of me and I have been making an effort to include myself a lot more.
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Post by huskermom98 on Jan 17, 2022 16:16:28 GMT
Phones have definitely helped. My guys are good about letting me have their phones after a trip so I can get any pictures they took--once in awhile I'm in their pictures...not usually a good one of me for whatever reason...but I suck it up and include those in scrapbooks to provide proof that I was there too. I have also started taking selfies to make sure I'm included (and looking ok too). DH is good about taking pictures that include me (either with his phone or my DSLR) especially if I ask.
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Post by boymom5 on Jan 17, 2022 17:02:21 GMT
Thankfully my DH has been pretty good at making sure to. Get a few pics with me in them. I’ve also been better about selfies in the moment and setting up the tripod and timer when needed. I do think that before cell phone cameras and the world of social media this was probably a bigger problem than now. For the genera population I do think the new issue would be people don’t print the pictures or do anything with them. They all end up online vs in front of family.
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Post by artbabe on Jan 17, 2022 17:08:31 GMT
This also happens with doting aunts. You would think I was never at any of the events. I make my nephews take a photo of me now. I think this is the first Christmas that I'm actually visually present. Of course, I had a black eye on Christmas and couldn't wear makeup so I was looking my best. It is important to include yourself in the narrative.
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Post by wordyphotogbabe on Jan 17, 2022 18:01:40 GMT
I made a layout one year for my Countdown to Christmas album with an empty frame on it and journaling about how no one had taken any photos of me on Christmas Day. To try to rectify that situation this year, I bought my BF a small camera he can slip into his back pocket. Although his photo-taking skills leave something to be desired, I will take what I can get for now, and he was able to take videos Christmas morning of the kids & me reading out our slips of paper that we had written daily gratitudes on throughout the month of December that I could not have taken myself. Now I just have to teach him that taking a photo of me eating in a restaurant is neither a cute look nor something that I feel comfortable with. He never notices people looking but I sure do.
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Post by joblackford on Jan 17, 2022 19:30:46 GMT
I was lucky growing up because my dad LOVES photography and so he took tons of my mother with us kids!
I guess we had lots of family members, male and female, who liked taking photos. I don't think anyone is glaringly missing from our photos... except my nana when she was a young mum, and that was because she cut herself out of photos with scissors if she didn't like the way she looked. If that breaks your heart even a little bit, to think of your mother or grandmother removing herself from a photo, it's a good reminder to all of us that we gift something - ourselves - to our loved ones by learning to ignore our snaggle-teeth or fat rolls or whatever we don't like... especially knowing that she cut herself out of photos when she was probably at her most beautiful, surrounded by her little kiddos.
I am envious of scrappers like Ingunn Markiewicz because her husband and friends take beautiful photos - there's not much difference between the photos she takes of her family, the ones she does with the self timer/selfies, and the ones her husband catches of her posing or interacting with the kids. But I'm guessing it's because he enjoys photography too.
Some partners/family members just aren't photo-taking people, but I wonder if some are also put off by our reactions to the candid shots they take. If all they hear is "ooh, my bum looks so fat!" or "delete that, I look horrible" they're probably not going to keep taking photos. My husband has gotten better about snapping photos now that he knows I will use them in my photo books.
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Post by papersilly on Jan 17, 2022 23:27:30 GMT
in marriages where it's just husband and wife, the wife is missing a lot. i told DH that if i kick the bucket first, he will be left with thousands of photos of himself to display at my funeral. LOL
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Post by kelly8875 on Jan 17, 2022 23:49:09 GMT
I know there aren’t tons of me when the kids were young and we took pictures at events/life. But we still tried to take them. Cell phones have made the selfie world so much better. I used to get laughed at for taking selfies, but seriously, those are the pictures of me now. No one is going to take pictures of me at my scrapbook table. No one is going to come on my walks and take pictures of me. So, I set up my phone, and work some selfies I’m glad I do it, because someday my kids will want them, and they’ll be there for them. And some of my favorite pictures with my kids and DBF are selfies!
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 18, 2022 12:18:26 GMT
I have noticed lately that I am never in any photos. When we were in Hawaii back in September f+(for 10 days!) I only made it into 6 photos. But I have hundreds of the scenery and of my husband. Made me sad looking through the photos. I have to do better about getting in the photo. Same. It makes me feel invisible.
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Post by burnbright on Jan 18, 2022 17:12:10 GMT
Using the photos that are in Google photos for last year. This is not all my photos but the search is easy to do. Total 4252 Daughter 1487 Dog 425 Husband 269 Me 185
Daughter & Husband 141 Daughter & Me 83 Daughter & Dog 75
Since I take all the photos, it is like I am not there*. My MIL says that I need to be in the photos but it doesn't happen. She enjoys everyone's company and forgets to take any pictures at events. Sometimes my husband will take pictures but it is rare. He is good when we are on a trip. Many reasons have stopped us from traveling the past few years so no pictures again.
This is a reminder to take more photos of myself (and my sister who is also missing from pictures). More tripod, more #thursday3, more asking strangers and family to take group shots (Covid permitting). Also pay for professional family photos.
* I write in monthly PL/yearbook so my thoughts are there. The pictures I choose and framing of them is also a reflection on me. It would be nice to see my face too.
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Post by Linda on Jan 18, 2022 18:33:16 GMT
everyone in my little family of 5 has both a dslr and a cellphone and enjoys taking photos and yet, I'm still missing from photos often. My kids are better about taking a picture of me when I'm taking photos of everyone so I do end up in Christmas photos etc... but the random every day photos I'm always taking of DH and the kids? unless I specifically ask someone to to take a photo, it usually doesn't happen.
Dh prefers to take scenic photos or a photo of every single exhibit AND its sign at a museum but can't seem to manage to snap a single picture of PEOPLE.
edited to add
I looked at the 2022 photos so far (of the 3 of us still at home)
14 of DD15, 11 of DH, and 8 of me...but 5 of mine are almost identical from New Years Day
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jan 18, 2022 18:51:04 GMT
Do we want to discuss ways to get yourself more into your everyday life pictures (vs "ritual photos")? What methods have you ladies tried and made work? The timer function is the go-to tool but what purchasing a remote for your camera (usually inexpensive, around 15-20 dollars tops)? Or downloading the connect app of your camera's manufacturer on your phone if you have a more recent one?
I think participating in a project like Day in the Life or Week in the Life really helps to get yourself into the photos and is an excellent way of testing out camera set-ups so you find those that work for you. I know it made me try out taping my phone to the ceiling to get a photo of me in the living room shot from above which I should really use again this year. Neat little trick although it took some time to set it up due to my ceilings being pretty high.
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