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Post by nightnurse on Jan 25, 2022 0:03:48 GMT
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Post by Merge on Jan 25, 2022 0:08:20 GMT
Wow. That is awful. So much for the free market! (In Texas, teachers who leave a job mid-year - no matter how awful and toxic - are subject to losing their teaching license. That's how they keep us from just walking out like that.) |
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Post by nightnurse on Jan 25, 2022 0:11:06 GMT
Wow. That is awful. So much for the free market! (In Texas, teachers who leave a job mid-year - no matter how awful and toxic - are subject to losing their teaching license. That's how they keep us from just walking out like that.) Holy sh$& for real? How is that legal? |
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Post by Merge on Jan 25, 2022 0:17:54 GMT
Wow. That is awful. So much for the free market! (In Texas, teachers who leave a job mid-year - no matter how awful and toxic - are subject to losing their teaching license. That's how they keep us from just walking out like that.) Holy sh$& for real? How is that legal? In Texas, both the protections (carrots) and penalties (sticks) for teachers are enshrined in state law because we don't have bargaining unions. Gotta keep those women in their place. |
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Post by nightnurse on Jan 25, 2022 0:29:08 GMT
I’m sorry, merge, that’s total crap. I do think historically female
Professions are treated far worse than traditionally male professions. Even in this day and age. And I think that the “helping”
Professions that society relies on, the essential workers, are taken for granted and while we are so essential we can’t be allowed the freedom to leave, we aren’t so essential that we deserve to get paid or treated well. And don’t even get me started on how everyone knows how to do our jobs better than we do!
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Post by Zee on Jan 25, 2022 0:30:17 GMT
Yes, I have heard about this.
Another good reason not to give any notice when leaving. There are no rewards for doing the right thing.
I would be incensed, and that's not a strong enough word.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 25, 2022 0:33:07 GMT
I'm glad the court sided with the employees and they are able to enjoy their new jobs.
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Post by chendra on Jan 25, 2022 0:33:23 GMT
It's nuts. I've been following the story on Reddit the past few days. One person made a comment (paraphrasing) "So corporations are people and employees are property?"
And instead of using funds to counter offer and increase employee salaries when the employees gave notice, they decided to spend money on legal fees instead?
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Post by amp on Jan 25, 2022 1:11:47 GMT
And instead of using funds to counter offer and increase employee salaries when the employees gave notice, they decided to spend money on legal fees instead? THIS!!!! |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 25, 2022 1:43:38 GMT
It’s really awful. Are they (the prior employer) using some kind of (rarely enforced fine print) non-compete agreement to do this? |
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 25, 2022 2:07:23 GMT
It’s really awful. Are they (the prior employer) using some kind of (rarely enforced fine print) non-compete agreement to do this? Nope. Technically, I don't think the HCWs could have been forced to keep working for ThedaCare. The court was being asked to stop the Ascension from letting them start working until their old positions were filled in the hope they would stay.  Merge, I wish a significant number of teachers could just walk away. I read something last week about colleges dropping teacher certification programs because of low enrollment (not Texas, but a sad reflection of the times0. |
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Post by iowgirl on Jan 25, 2022 4:48:04 GMT
Holy sh$& for real? How is that legal? Many states/school districts require teachers to have a contract. They sign the contract. If they quit mid-year, that is a breach of contract, and they can lose their teaching license. On one hand, I can see how that sucks - on the other hand, it keeps teachers there for the full school year and not disrupting the school year for the kids. But oh geeze -what a last couple of years it has been! |
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Post by sueg on Jan 25, 2022 8:53:41 GMT
I’m sorry, merge, that’s total crap. I do think historically female Professions are treated far worse than traditionally male professions. Even in this day and age. And I think that the “helping” Professions that society relies on, the essential workers, are taken for granted and while we are so essential we can’t be allowed the freedom to leave, we aren’t so essential that we deserve to get paid or treated well. And don’t even get me started on how everyone knows how to do our jobs better than we do! And don't forget that teachers and nurses 'do it for the love of the job', as if that makes it OK to pay them a pittance. |
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Post by mellyw on Jan 25, 2022 22:13:25 GMT
The good news, the Judge sided with those leaving. I was sending the link to my DD, an ICU nurse, and saw the update. Just crazy they thought the way to go was to sue
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Post by moodyblue on Jan 25, 2022 22:18:27 GMT
I’m glad to see the update. The last I had read was when there was a restraining order.
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Jan 25, 2022 22:18:44 GMT
They were not prevented from leaving the old company. They were prevented from being able to start at the new one, effectively keeping them forced to stay or not have an income.
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Post by Merge on Jan 25, 2022 22:18:53 GMT
I’m sorry, merge, that’s total crap. I do think historically female Professions are treated far worse than traditionally male professions. Even in this day and age. And I think that the “helping” Professions that society relies on, the essential workers, are taken for granted and while we are so essential we can’t be allowed the freedom to leave, we aren’t so essential that we deserve to get paid or treated well. And don’t even get me started on how everyone knows how to do our jobs better than we do! And don't forget that teachers and nurses 'do it for the love of the job', as if that makes it OK to pay them a pittance. I really hate that narrative, because I do love my job. My actual job. The working with kids part. That’s great. But that translates to “well then suck it up” as if job satisfaction and humane treatment should be mutually exclusive and we should all be OK with that. I can’t even imagine what nurses are going through right now, and they’re stuck with the same labels. They’re either heroes and saints (and often suffering and at the breaking point) or greedy monsters who don’t care enough about patients to stay in poor conditions. It’s wrong. It has to stop. Hint for employers - if your employees leave en masse, it’s not them, it’s you. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 25, 2022 23:55:05 GMT
Wow. That is awful. So much for the free market! (In Texas, teachers who leave a job mid-year - no matter how awful and toxic - are subject to losing their teaching license. That's how they keep us from just walking out like that.) We have strong unions in IL, and a district can "hold" our license if we quit while under contract as well, preventing us from getting a job in another school. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 26, 2022 0:03:50 GMT
Wow. That is awful. So much for the free market! (In Texas, teachers who leave a job mid-year - no matter how awful and toxic - are subject to losing their teaching license. That's how they keep us from just walking out like that.) We have strong unions in IL, and a district can "hold" our license if we quit while under contract as well, preventing us from getting a job in another school. It's crap. The most stressful and mentally damaging year of my career was spent in a horrible, toxic school where problems flowed from the top. When I asked to leave, the principal threatened my license. It was absolute crap. But they were so desperate for someone in that room that they would rather force a miserable, unhappy, perpetually anxious teacher to suffer through than figure out the problem and hire someone suitable. Warm bodies at that school. The principal was shuffled out of there a year later. He was the reason so many teachers left that school, and no one threatened his license. Ridiculous. Especially that it also happens in states with good unions. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 26, 2022 1:11:51 GMT
Crazy. I'm glad the courts sided with the nurses. It reminds me of the military stop loss orders to extend tours involuntarily. That never seemed OK either, but when you join the military, you kind of sign your life away. For a private company to try to do the same thing, that's just insane. I understand severe staffing shortages, but the hospital needs to find other ways to retain health care workers. Maybe try a bonus instead.
Our principal just left mid-year. I'm not sorry to see her go but that seems unfair, teachers can't leave. She had a 2 year contract with 6 months remaining.
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Post by voltagain on Jan 26, 2022 1:21:33 GMT
I saw the report on the 21st where the courts blocked them from starting at their new employer but I lost the link and couldn't find it again. Super happy to see they CAN start their new jobs. |
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