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Post by christine58 on Jan 25, 2022 18:27:05 GMT
What the heck is going on with the truckers protesting? I have a friend who is so anti-VAX it’s not even funny who continues to post stuff and I’m not sure she has her facts straight. Could you like me to an article or something about it? Thanks. I know it has something to do with requiring vaccines but I don’t know if that’s to leave or come back into the country?
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Post by sawwhet on Jan 25, 2022 18:58:42 GMT
A small minority of truckers. It's actually just a big antivaxer convoy. Over 90% of truckers in Canada are vaccinated and continue to work. The convoy of truckers are upset because they can't enter Canada if they aren't vaccinated. The problem is that the US has implemented the same policy so they can't get into the US either. The Canadian Truckers Alliance has said that they do not support these truckers.
I have one person on my FB timeline so excited because the convoy is HUGE (her words). They call it a convoy for freedom. They are trying to get the word out to Fox News and to the US media. They are tagging Tucker Carlson 🙄
It's a shitshow created by the antivaxxers. Last time I looked, we are in a democracy where the majority ruled. Not the less than 10% vocal minority.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 25, 2022 19:00:29 GMT
What the heck is going on with the truckers protesting? I have a friend who is so anti-VAX it’s not even funny who continues to post stuff and I’m not sure she has her facts straight. Could you like me to an article or something about it? Thanks. I know it has something to do with requiring vaccines but I don’t know if that’s to leave or come back into the country? It’s to go into Canada. They require vaccinations to re-enter, unvaccinated it’s a 14 day quarantine each time you re-enter. They’re currently blocking up a couple of the border crossings here. www.reuters.com/world/americas/truckers-fighting-government-vaccine-mandate-march-canadian-capital-2022-01-24/Per Reddit the GFM referenced was frozen. Not sure of the source on that though. |
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Post by sawwhet on Jan 25, 2022 19:03:51 GMT
What the heck is going on with the truckers protesting? I have a friend who is so anti-VAX it’s not even funny who continues to post stuff and I’m not sure she has her facts straight. Could you like me to an article or something about it? Thanks. I know it has something to do with requiring vaccines but I don’t know if that’s to leave or come back into the country? It’s to go into Canada. They require vaccinations to re-enter, unvaccinated it’s a 14 day quarantine each time you re-enter. They’re currently blocking up a couple of the border crossings here. www.reuters.com/world/americas/truckers-fighting-government-vaccine-mandate-march-canadian-capital-2022-01-24/Per Reddit the GFM referenced was frozen. Not sure of the source on that though. It's to go into the US as well effective last Saturday. They can't go either way now. But, they can stay within Canada and drive long distance. |
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Post by milocat on Jan 25, 2022 19:13:53 GMT
I posted on another thread that 26,000 of the 160,000 truckers are not vaccianted. (I think I got this number from a CTV article.) The truckers are just having their turn protesting. Health care workers did it on the steps of provincial parliament or hospitals (not the place to do it). Others have done it. It's just the truckers turn now, they are just doing it at a federal level. But we as a society as a whole will feel this. Things are already in low supply this will make it worse. It's not just groceries. There is no tires at the tire shop, if you blow a tire you're not going to work until they can get ine in stock.
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Jan 25, 2022 19:15:44 GMT
I don't see this as just antivax. I am vaccinated...vote liberal in more elections than I have voted anything else (but truly don't feel like I belong to any political party) and support the Canadians fighting for our freedoms. I really...really try to not get political at all on this board.
The go fund me for this convoy has reached over 4 million dollars last I checked.
They are reaching out to other news sources because this has been building steam for weeks now but just started getting shown on our regular news outlets. It was getting international media attention before it was getting any Canadian media attention.
Their intent is to convoy to ottawa and block up the city to try and stop the mandates...and endless lockdowns we have been facing with no end in sight.
I think a lot of Canadians are just totally fed up with the handling of this pandemic. Vaxxed or unvaxxed. We are sick of the divide...Canada in general is a pretty passive country usually so this is a pretty big deal...
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 25, 2022 19:49:22 GMT
I don't see this as just antivax. I am vaccinated...vote liberal in more elections than I have voted anything else (but truly don't feel like I belong to any political party) and support the Canadians fighting for our freedoms. I really...really try to not get political at all on this board. The go fund me for this convoy has reached over 4 million dollars last I checked. They are reaching out to other news sources because this has been building steam for weeks now but just started getting shown on our regular news outlets. It was getting international media attention before it was getting any Canadian media attention. Their intent is to convoy to ottawa and block up the city to try and stop the mandates...and endless lockdowns we have been facing with no end in sight. I think a lot of Canadians are just totally fed up with the handling of this pandemic. Vaxxed or unvaxxed. We are sick of the divide...Canada in general is a pretty passive country usually so this is a pretty big deal... What freedom? The freedom to infect people with impunity? 🤔 |
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Post by psiluvu on Jan 25, 2022 19:59:10 GMT
It is a small minority of vocal truckers. My dd works in the trucking industry, his company does not support the protest but are not doing anything against it. His company requires vaccines for employment.
I live in Ottawa and it will be interesting to see the effect it has. Our downtown is virtually a ghost town now as most government employees that make up the majority of the our downtown (parliament hill) work force are working from home.
What I don't understand is why are people donating money to the tune of over $4 million. If the truckers can afford the time off work to protest do they really need the money. There are so many other people in our communities that are suffering much worse than truckers and so many good organizations to donate to. Interesting the GoFundMe has frozen the fundraising for now.
i don't agree with them but this is Canada so protest away I guess.
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Jan 25, 2022 20:15:10 GMT
I don't see this as just antivax. I am vaccinated...vote liberal in more elections than I have voted anything else (but truly don't feel like I belong to any political party) and support the Canadians fighting for our freedoms. I really...really try to not get political at all on this board. The go fund me for this convoy has reached over 4 million dollars last I checked. They are reaching out to other news sources because this has been building steam for weeks now but just started getting shown on our regular news outlets. It was getting international media attention before it was getting any Canadian media attention. Their intent is to convoy to ottawa and block up the city to try and stop the mandates...and endless lockdowns we have been facing with no end in sight. I think a lot of Canadians are just totally fed up with the handling of this pandemic. Vaxxed or unvaxxed. We are sick of the divide...Canada in general is a pretty passive country usually so this is a pretty big deal... What freedom? The freedom to infect people with impunity? 🤔 I can't speak for everyone but I would love to be able to go back and work in the office again, have my kids (they are all fully vaccinated) play sports again, be able to see my doctor again in person (he has only been doing virtual/phone visits for 2 years now), have my son see his councilor in person. Have proper weddings and funerals again...80% of the population of Ontario is vaccinated. Just would love to know what goal we are hoping to achieve before we can go back to some sort of normalcy. I think depending on what province you live in canada you have seen different rules/regulation along the way. I think the trucker mandate was a straw for a lot of people. Last I heard there are estimating 150,000 transports. Just the transports convoy coming out of BC was 70km long. |
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Post by librarylady on Jan 25, 2022 20:15:39 GMT
My response: If you don't like the terms of employment, get a different job. If you don't want to vax, then find a place to work that accepts no vaccine.
Do the striking drivers who hope to shut down the city of Ottawa, really think action that will make others support their cause?
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Post by librarylady on Jan 25, 2022 20:17:46 GMT
Hate to break the news to them--but the people who won't vaccinate are the ones who are keeping the virus spreading, so it they are tired of lockdown--get vaccinated!
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 25, 2022 20:47:40 GMT
The GFM account is frozen until the organizer provides a clear plan for the disbursement of funds. From what I read, this is standard procedure for GFM to protect donors.
I don't have any sympathy for the truckers.
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Post by catmom on Jan 25, 2022 21:13:28 GMT
What freedom? The freedom to infect people with impunity? 🤔 I can't speak for everyone but I would love to be able to go back and work in the office again, have my kids (they are all fully vaccinated) play sports again, be able to see my doctor again in person (he has only been doing virtual/phone visits for 2 years now), have my son see his councilor in person. Have proper weddings and funerals again...80% of the population of Ontario is vaccinated. Just would love to know what goal we are hoping to achieve before we can go back to some sort of normalcy. I think depending on what province you live in canada you have seen different rules/regulation along the way. I think the trucker mandate was a straw for a lot of people. Last I heard there are estimating 150,000 transports. Just the transports convoy coming out of BC was 70km long. In Ontario we were pretty much there until Omicron. And virtual doctor/therapist appointments aren’t government mandated. The trucker protest won’t achieve any of those things, they just want what they want for themselves. I’m sick of it too, but ignoring the pandemic won’t make it go away. Even with the lockdown measures the hospitals have been at capacity. That said, as a fellow Ontario resident, this last lockdown and January has lasted about a decade and has suuuucked. So I truly get wanting the governments to work out some other strategy than lock down - hopefully with the new drugs it will be more feasible very soon. |
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Post by catmom on Jan 25, 2022 21:21:21 GMT
I would argue a much more worthy group for a $4m GFM would be the families of those who have died while on waiting lists for treatment because hospitals are overwhelmed with the unvaccinated. They have lost the ultimate freedom, the freedom to live, and they had no choice, unlike the truckers.
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Post by drummergirl65 on Jan 25, 2022 22:46:26 GMT
I'm in B.C. I see my Doctor in office, I've seen kids playing sports, I've gone to dinner with my friends and family etc. Mandates vary where you are. People are sick of unvaccinated prolonging this.(I don't even think we have 150,000 truckers  ) |
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Post by milocat on Jan 26, 2022 0:11:41 GMT
I'm in B.C. I see my Doctor in office, I've seen kids playing sports, I've gone to dinner with my friends and family etc. Mandates vary where you are. People are sick of unvaccinated prolonging this.(I don't even think we have 150,000 truckers ) I can't find the exact article that said 26,000 of the 160,000 but here are 2 more places that quote these numbers. And that's just truckers crossing the border. more than 85 per cent of the 120,000 Canadian truck drivers who regularly traverse the border are vaccinated, but that up to 16,000 may be sidelined due to the new restriction, exacerbating supply chain problems. ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/trucker-convoys-4-million-fundraising-142322714.htmlThe CTA reports that approximately 10 to 15 per cent of drivers in the industry are unvaccinated. Laskowski says this mandate would therefore take an estimated 12,000 Canadian truckers and thousands more from the U.S. off cross-border shipping routes. www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/mass-confusion-amid-changing-messaging-on-trucker-vaccine-mandate-industry-leader-1.5739996 |
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Post by bunnyhug on Jan 26, 2022 0:30:31 GMT
Some additional info ... -the Go Fund Me page was somehow connected to the Maverick Party (whackadoodle western separation and pretty far right-ish party), so it's been suspended last I heard -the convoy folks seem to have the idea that if our federal government lifts their trucker vaccination requirements, we could somehow force the US to also lift theirs ... personally, I can't see that going super well ... I don't think Americans really like to be told what to do with their borders, just like most other countries don't ... -I'm not sure how things are shaking out in the east, but in Alberta we've really not seen empty shelves--except for maybe cereal ones, but that's related to job action at the manufacturers and not any border restrictions -the convoy people have some overlap with the yellow vest idiots from last year -someone in Alberta coined the twitter hashtag #FluTruxKlan and it's frighteningly descriptive -I am sick to death of the whining about "lockdowns" and restrictions; further to that, I am also sick to death of Covid, but that's not going to make Covid go away, nor is pretending it isn't serious or real, so I basically just suck it up and do what is asked of me to make life better/safer for those around me. In my opinion, these 'trucker' jackasses are not being hard done by, especially in comparison to teachers, health care workers, little kids, the elderly, and a whole host of others--they are just a bunch of whiny selfish babies ... ask me how I really feel  |
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Post by cakediva on Jan 26, 2022 3:16:31 GMT
What these people don’t seem to quite get is that stuff is in short supply NOT because of the small percentage of unvaccinated truckers not able to bring things in - but because omicron has gone through plants like wildfire and there is no staff to make the products.
DH works in an automotive stamping plant. They are desperate for staff so haven’t enforced any vaccine mandates but DH checks temps and for negative tests of unvaccinated staff. Omicron has ripped through their plant like wildfire so people are off for 10-14 days. It’s just crazy.
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 7, 2022 1:03:47 GMT
Hate to break the news to them--but the people who won't vaccinate are the ones who are keeping the virus spreading, so it they are tired of lockdown--get vaccinated! The vaccinated still get it and spread it too. Not to mention that a Johns Hopkins study has said that "While this meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns have had little to no public health effects, they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted. In consequence, lockdown policies are ill-founded." |
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Post by sawwhet on Feb 7, 2022 1:15:32 GMT
Hate to break the news to them--but the people who won't vaccinate are the ones who are keeping the virus spreading, so it they are tired of lockdown--get vaccinated! The vaccinated still get it and spread it too. Not to mention that a Johns Hopkins study has said that "While this meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns have had little to no public health effects, they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted. In consequence, lockdown policies are ill-founded." Most of the mandates are implemented by the PROVINCIAL governments. They are in Ottawa yelling at people who are wearing masks, protesting at Parliament Hill (the FEDERAL government). Masking mandates are a provincial matter. We aren't in lock down. Trudeau has never put us in lockdown. The Premiers of each province makes that decision. Vaccine passports are a provincial decision. Trudeau wants truckers vaccinated to enter the country. Even if he dropped that mandate, they still can't go to the US because you have the same requirement- Foreign truckers need to be vaccinated to enter the US. Vaccines are very effective at mitigating the risk of serious disease. Period. End of story. |
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Post by seaexplore on Feb 7, 2022 1:16:49 GMT
My friend lives in Ottawa near the "center" of this mess. It's bad. Many streets closed and blocked off. She's staying inside and avoiding the whole mess. The truckers have SAUNAS that were brought it. Full scale KITCHENS too! This is just all so stupid AND who the hell came up with the bright idea to protest in CANADA IN THE WINTER??? LOL. It's cold there!
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 7, 2022 2:19:19 GMT
The vaccinated still get it and spread it too. Not to mention that a Johns Hopkins study has said that "While this meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns have had little to no public health effects, they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted. In consequence, lockdown policies are ill-founded." Most of the mandates are implemented by the PROVINCIAL governments. They are in Ottawa yelling at people who are wearing masks, protesting at Parliament Hill (the FEDERAL government). Masking mandates are a provincial matter. We aren't in lock down. Trudeau has never put us in lockdown. The Premiers of each province makes that decision. Vaccine passports are a provincial decision. Trudeau wants truckers vaccinated to enter the country. Even if he dropped that mandate, they still can't go to the US because you have the same requirement- Foreign truckers need to be vaccinated to enter the US. Vaccines are very effective at mitigating the risk of serious disease. Period. End of story. Okay, thank you for that, but that doesn't change anything I said in response to librarylady. |
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Post by theshyone on Feb 7, 2022 10:43:44 GMT
Ottawa called a state of emergency today, hoping it would give them more power to deal with the protesters.
Go fund me raised ten million and it’s said Canada couldn’t do that with our population so who was throwing in all the money. Big businesss, usa, politics, it’s suspended.
There was the fringe within the protesters that wanted to topple the federal liberal government, yet somehow toppled erin otoole reader of the pc.
Alberta/Couts has been a shirt show with blockages. Alberta has had many roving convoys disrupt things too.
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Post by sawwhet on Feb 7, 2022 11:10:09 GMT
Now there is a letter going around signed by a "so called" lawyer from the US stating that the police are in violation of the Geneva Convention by seizing supplies for a protest. "Supplies" meaning huge stores of gasoline and propane illegally stored in residential neighbourhoods. Of course there is no contact info for this lawyer.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 7, 2022 12:26:27 GMT
The truckers have SAUNAS that were brought it. Full scale KITCHENS too! It's the glamping of protesting. Next up, poutine bar with at least 4 different options daily.  |
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Post by cakediva on Feb 7, 2022 14:26:32 GMT
Ottawa called a state of emergency today, hoping it would give them more power to deal with the protesters. Go fund me raised ten million and it’s said Canada couldn’t do that with our population so who was throwing in all the money. Big businesss, usa, politics, it’s suspended. There was the fringe within the protesters that wanted to topple the federal liberal government, yet somehow toppled erin otoole reader of the pc. Alberta/Couts has been a shirt show with blockages. Alberta has had many roving convoys disrupt things too. The convoy had nothing to do with O'Toole being toppled. The Conservatives had a meeting when the convoy was still way out west and voted to remove him. |
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Post by milocat on Feb 7, 2022 15:18:08 GMT
Ottawa called a state of emergency today, hoping it would give them more power to deal with the protesters. Go fund me raised ten million and it’s said Canada couldn’t do that with our population so who was throwing in all the money. Big businesss, usa, politics, it’s suspended. There was the fringe within the protesters that wanted to topple the federal liberal government, yet somehow toppled erin otoole reader of the pc. Alberta/Couts has been a shirt show with blockages. Alberta has had many roving convoys disrupt things too. Humboldt raised $15 million, not sure how much of that came from outside Canada. seaexplore it's right around 0C in Ottawa that's not cold. It was +3C here yesterday and it felt so warm. There are people who work outside most of the day all winter in all kinds of temperatures. DH and I have an oilfield business and masks and then vaccines are honestly a drop in the bucket compared to the safety hoops we jump through. |
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Post by sawwhet on Feb 7, 2022 17:03:01 GMT
Ottawa called a state of emergency today, hoping it would give them more power to deal with the protesters. Go fund me raised ten million and it’s said Canada couldn’t do that with our population so who was throwing in all the money. Big businesss, usa, politics, it’s suspended. There was the fringe within the protesters that wanted to topple the federal liberal government, yet somehow toppled erin otoole reader of the pc. Alberta/Couts has been a shirt show with blockages. Alberta has had many roving convoys disrupt things too. The convoy had nothing to do with O'Toole being toppled. The Conservatives had a meeting when the convoy was still way out west and voted to remove him. O'toole was voted out 5 days ago. The convoy has been in Ottawa for 10 days. There is definitely a connection. |
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Post by cakediva on Feb 7, 2022 17:14:36 GMT
The convoy had nothing to do with O'Toole being toppled. The Conservatives had a meeting when the convoy was still way out west and voted to remove him. O'toole was voted out 5 days ago. The convoy has been in Ottawa for 10 days. There is definitely a connection. But it had nothing to do with the convoy. His own MPs wanted him out -35 of them called for a vote. He didn't do himself any favours by meeting with the convoy, but since he lost the election there have been those who wanted him gone. |
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Post by anniefb on Feb 7, 2022 18:39:36 GMT
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