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Post by pixiechick on Jan 29, 2022 4:12:07 GMT
No, I didn't leave it off. You even quoted me with it in there. I bolded and underlined it since, you missed it. Lol, ok, sorry. you did say rebuke-although you left out the rest of it. You seem to be sure that he meant the first definition. Why is that? Obviously, I'd have to be a mind reader to truly know without a doubt what he meant to convey. And I'm not. But these points ARE very telling: “Back of the hand” can also be used idiomatically to mean rebuke. But then, so can the word “rebuke.” Reich chose the words he used." Previously, when he was chastising others for their rhetoric... "Reich was clear that the implications of rhetoric are the responsibility of the person speaking. Still, at this time Reich has taken no responsibility for his own violent imagery."
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 29, 2022 4:17:56 GMT
Lol, ok, sorry. you did say rebuke-although you left out the rest of it. You seem to be sure that he meant the first definition. Why is that? Obviously, I'd have to be a mind reader to truly know without a doubt what he meant to convey. And I'm not. But these points ARE very telling: “Back of the hand” can also be used idiomatically to mean rebuke. But then, so can the word “rebuke.” Reich chose the words he used." Previously, when he was chastising others for their rhetoric... "Reich was clear that the implications of rhetoric are the responsibility of the person speaking. Still, at this time Reich has taken no responsibility for his own violent imagery." TBH, I have only ever seen the second definition used. Slapping someone was this wording: she backhanded me. Maybe it’s a regional thing; I don’t know. I feel confident that he meant the older, original use of the phrase. Mainly because I’ve read his writings for years, so I guess that it’s a judgement call. YMMV
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Post by Merge on Jan 29, 2022 4:20:54 GMT
Lol, ok, sorry. you did say rebuke-although you left out the rest of it. You seem to be sure that he meant the first definition. Why is that? Obviously, I'd have to be a mind reader to truly know without a doubt what he meant to convey. And I'm not. But these points ARE very telling: “Back of the hand” can also be used idiomatically to mean rebuke. But then, so can the word “rebuke.” Reich chose the words he used." Previously, when he was chastising others for their rhetoric... "Reich was clear that the implications of rhetoric are the responsibility of the person speaking. Still, at this time Reich has taken no responsibility for his own violent imagery." They're only "telling" if you're buying the far-right spin that a guy like Caleb Howe is selling.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 29, 2022 4:21:43 GMT
If you read it there as you claim, did you intentionally leave this part out? Reich deleted the tweet, but not before there was a big reaction, and many conservatives responded to him with a screenshot of the now-deleted tweet.
or this one, along with Reich's tweet wholeheartedly condemning violence At the time of this posting Reich has not apologized for the violent imagery in his tweet, instead, he blamed “conservative media” for distorting and misinterpreting his remark.
If you read the article, perhaps a more balanced post or a more accurate, complete picture would have included the deleted tweet and the clarification. Since you chose to exclude that part from your post, this thread seems very much like a gotcha post, despite your claim. I have included the link to the entire article, so no, nothing was left out. You know the way you twist yourself around to make one of your valid points you would be a natural playing the game twister. Here is an example of what you are doing… In other words your original post is being less then honest by not telling the entire story because you WANT people to condemn a Democrat. The fact some of the information is in the link is doing exactly what RNC Research did to mislead those who read the tweet about what President Biden actually said for the simple reason to make him look bad. And it’s easy to do because too many people just read the headlines instead of getting the entire story. To me that is being dishonest.
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 29, 2022 4:26:59 GMT
I feel confident that he meant the older, original use of the phrase. Mainly because I’ve read his writings for years, so I guess that it’s a judgement call. YMMV That's very telling too. I have never read anything from him, so yes, I was swayed by the article.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 29, 2022 4:30:30 GMT
Nice. I've never read a book? I did read about the issue from the Left leaning Mediaite <Link “Back of the hand” can also be used idiomatically to mean rebuke. But then, so can the word “rebuke.” Reich chose the words he used." Previously, when he was chastising others for their rhetoric... "Reich was clear that the implications of rhetoric are the responsibility of the person speaking. Still, at this time Reich has taken no responsibility for his own violent imagery." You mean you read an opinion piece that confirmed your bias by the far-right Blaze and RedState "journalist" Caleb Howe, whom Mediaite unwisely features on occasion because they think it makes them appear more balanced. And then you did no further research to check what you believed to be true, and you rushed to make a "gotcha" post on the pea board. Blaze "journalist" Caleb Howe also chose to use only an image of the meaning he wished to convey from a book of idioms that is, shockingly, not available for fact-checking online. I know. I, too, have a hard time believing that a Blaze "journalist" would do such a thing, but here we are. More readily accessible online idiom dictionaries give both potential definitions. Perhaps you've also read a book that included the phrase "backhanded compliment," which derives from the same well-known meaning of the words Reich used. I assume that if someone said they gave Biden a backhanded compliment, you'd understand that they didn't mean to strike him, right? Meanwhile, Reich, who is not known for using violent imagery or advocating violence of any type, retracted his statement and clarified his position on violence. To further demonstrate his lack of violent intent, he did not stand outside and incite a group of people to go and commit violence against Senator Sinema. He also did not refer to Sinema as "the enemy of the people" or suggest that some "2nd amendment people" should do something about her. He didn't suggest that anyone should "lock her up." I think if Reich had really intended violence against Sinema, he would have gone one of those routes instead of retracting his statement and clarifying his position. But perhaps you hang around with people who express violent intent on the regular, and I'm just not aware of how it's done. Yeah, I looked at his Twitter Page. Yikes. I’m just not sure that his take was fair and balanced. 🤔🥴 Caleb Howe @calebhowe Senior Fellow of Wearing American Flag shirts. Ed. Mediaite. Write/Pub'd Blaze, PJM, USA Today, AmSpec, DW, RedState, NRO, fortune cookies, manifestos, napkins.
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Post by Merge on Jan 29, 2022 4:31:46 GMT
You mean you read an opinion piece that confirmed your bias by the far-right Blaze and RedState "journalist" Caleb Howe, whom Mediaite unwisely features on occasion because they think it makes them appear more balanced. And then you did no further research to check what you believed to be true, and you rushed to make a "gotcha" post on the pea board. Blaze "journalist" Caleb Howe also chose to use only an image of the meaning he wished to convey from a book of idioms that is, shockingly, not available for fact-checking online. I know. I, too, have a hard time believing that a Blaze "journalist" would do such a thing, but here we are. More readily accessible online idiom dictionaries give both potential definitions. Perhaps you've also read a book that included the phrase "backhanded compliment," which derives from the same well-known meaning of the words Reich used. I assume that if someone said they gave Biden a backhanded compliment, you'd understand that they didn't mean to strike him, right? Meanwhile, Reich, who is not known for using violent imagery or advocating violence of any type, retracted his statement and clarified his position on violence. To further demonstrate his lack of violent intent, he did not stand outside and incite a group of people to go and commit violence against Senator Sinema. He also did not refer to Sinema as "the enemy of the people" or suggest that some "2nd amendment people" should do something about her. He didn't suggest that anyone should "lock her up." I think if Reich had really intended violence against Sinema, he would have gone one of those routes instead of retracting his statement and clarifying his position. But perhaps you hang around with people who express violent intent on the regular, and I'm just not aware of how it's done. Yeah, I looked at his Twitter Page. Yikes. I’m just not sure that his take was fair and balanced. 🤔🥴 Caleb Howe @calebhowe Senior Fellow of Wearing American Flag shirts. Ed. Mediaite. Write/Pub'd Blaze, PJM, USA Today, AmSpec, DW, RedState, NRO, fortune cookies, manifestos, napkins. It's a lesson to all of us to note both the outlet and the writer when assessing the credibility or potential bias of a source.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 4:35:12 GMT
I love you guys but I don't understand why you even engage with pixie. It's always the same thing. Post a gotcha, chastise the peas and then rant at whoever dares to cross her. She comes on here just to "own the libs" or trigger people. It's so at this point.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2022 4:42:27 GMT
I love you guys but I don't understand why you even engage with pixie. It's always the same thing. Post a gotcha, chastise the peas and then rant at whoever dares to cross her. She comes on here just to "own the libs" or trigger people. It's so at this point. If she/he/they/them/ didn't post then this board is pretty boring, because there is no more crazy dump posts to bitch about. Hello... Bueller... anyone?
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Post by Merge on Jan 29, 2022 5:24:26 GMT
I love you guys but I don't understand why you even engage with pixie. It's always the same thing. Post a gotcha, chastise the peas and then rant at whoever dares to cross her. She comes on here just to "own the libs" or trigger people. It's so at this point. I’ve been home on Covid exposure quarantine all week. I’m bored AF. That’s all I’ve got.
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Post by zella on Jan 29, 2022 6:07:35 GMT
Yeah, I knew something was amiss. Violence isn't his style at all. Old-fashioned idioms are though.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 29, 2022 6:14:08 GMT
I love you guys but I don't understand why you even engage with pixie. It's always the same thing. Post a gotcha, chastise the peas and then rant at whoever dares to cross her. She comes on here just to "own the libs" or trigger people. It's so at this point. I’ve been home on Covid exposure quarantine all week. I’m bored AF. That’s all I’ve got. Did you get your results back yet?
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Post by lucyg on Jan 29, 2022 6:45:27 GMT
Not OK when anyone on either side encourages violence. I think it's also important to add this, Robert Reich deleted the tweet and posted this. Not really an equal representation. Perhaps you could edit your post or title. From the Left leaning > Mediaite“Back of the hand” can also be used idiomatically to mean rebuke. But then, so can the word “rebuke.” Reich chose the words he used." Previously, when he was chastising others for their rhetoric... "Reich was clear that the implications of rhetoric are the responsibility of the person speaking. Still, at this time Reich has taken no responsibility for his own violent imagery." From the Left leaning > Mediate
Tell it to Merriam-Webster.
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Post by Merge on Jan 29, 2022 13:57:30 GMT
I’ve been home on Covid exposure quarantine all week. I’m bored AF. That’s all I’ve got. Did you get your results back yet? Yeah, they were negative. Don’t know what’s causing the cough and general malaise, but it’s not Covid.
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Post by Sarah*H on Jan 29, 2022 14:09:45 GMT
That is exactly what went through my mind! Nice. I've never read a book? I did read about the issue from the Left leaning Mediaite <Link “Back of the hand” can also be used idiomatically to mean rebuke. But then, so can the word “rebuke.” Reich chose the words he used." Previously, when he was chastising others for their rhetoric... "Reich was clear that the implications of rhetoric are the responsibility of the person speaking. Still, at this time Reich has taken no responsibility for his own violent imagery." I'm sorry Gia, do you object to the use of all idioms or just the ones you aren't well read enough to know? Or just the idioms that Democrats use? I understand the English language can be complicated but there are lots of online classes you could take to brush up on those concepts you've forgotten since your 12 years of English classes in elementary, middle and high school.
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 29, 2022 14:34:52 GMT
I appreciate his explanation, but I can't be the only person who has never heard that phrase mean anything but an assault. I am 63.
It was a poor choice of words.
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Post by paulao on Jan 29, 2022 14:49:12 GMT
He knew exactly what the phrase means. I’m so tired of assholes trying to make excuses for their behavior after they’ve been called out.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 29, 2022 14:59:34 GMT
I appreciate his explanation, but I can't be the only person who has never heard that phrase mean anything but an assault. I am 63. It was a poor choice of words. I do wonder if this is a regional thing. I used “backhanded” growing up. And I say that because my mother backhanded me several times as a teen. I was mouthy. 🤔 But could it vary by region? ETA: It was a poor choice of words, since it has two very different meanings.
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Post by maryannscraps on Jan 29, 2022 15:06:04 GMT
I hadn’t seen his tweet but I’ve used the terms “back of hand” and “backhanded”. Meant in the same way he used it. I don’t think it’s an obscure usage.
I’m surprised people are so up in arms at it. Seems like fake indignation to me.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 29, 2022 15:53:26 GMT
Did you get your results back yet? Yeah, they were negative. Don’t know what’s causing the cough and general malaise, but it’s not Covid. Glad it’s negative, sorry you’re still feeling crappy though.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 29, 2022 15:54:26 GMT
I appreciate his explanation, but I can't be the only person who has never heard that phrase mean anything but an assault. I am 63. It was a poor choice of words. I do wonder if this is a regional thing. I used “backhanded” growing up. And I say that because my mother backhanded me several times as a teen. I was mouthy. 🤔 But could it vary by region? ETA: It was a poor choice of words, since it has two very different meanings. It’s always been a rebuke meaning to me, but I wasn’t born here.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 29, 2022 15:58:45 GMT
For someone who likes to zone in on particulars and details, point out inaccuracies etc., it's interesting to me that pixiechick so far has neglected to edit her own misleading or incomplete post or title. eta - your post appears to be a screenshot of Robert Reich's tweet. Since you didn't post the original tweet or link (impossible since its been deleted), I'm guessing that you might have known the tweet was deleted, at a minimum. And since the tweet was 9 days old, you might have also known that he posted a tweet clarifying his comment and condemning violence in no uncertain terms She won’t. She thinks she’s being “coy”, gotcha, own those Libs—a provocateur. It’s hilarious to see her puts these things too, because these are the people who defend trump and what he stands for. Notice how she’s not starting (or speaking out against) the Capitol who beat the ever living life out if other humans? Or how she’s not talking about the guy arrested who was heading to DC to kill Biden? Or about that guy who lived in his trump van and sent powder (bombs) threats to a whole lot of democrats?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 29, 2022 15:59:31 GMT
Not OK when anyone on either side encourages violence. I think it's also important to add this, Robert Reich deleted the tweet and posted this. Not really an equal representation. Perhaps you could edit your post or title. From the Left leaning > Mediaite“Back of the hand” can also be used idiomatically to mean rebuke. But then, so can the word “rebuke.” Reich chose the words he used." Previously, when he was chastising others for their rhetoric... "Reich was clear that the implications of rhetoric are the responsibility of the person speaking. Still, at this time Reich has taken no responsibility for his own violent imagery." From the Left leaning > Mediate
For someone who likes to zone in on particulars and details, point out inaccuracies etc., it's interesting to me that pixiechick so far has neglected to edit her own misleading or incomplete post or title. Holy hell. It doesn't occur to you that people do other things besides this board or what? Beside the fact that when I did comeback YOU had asked me to provide proof of something I said on another thread, so I was getting that. You're being a bit unreasonably pushy and demanding that things get done in your time frame. Gaslighting and changing up typical of what Gia does.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 29, 2022 16:00:13 GMT
Back of the hand could be interpreted several ways. He deleted the post and his clarification condemning violence in absolute terms can't be interpreted in several ways. And Reich takes no personal responsibility? He deleted the post. You were here, posting on other threads. I can see why searching your history for criticism of Democrats could take a while. Sorry if asking you to edit a misleading or incomplete post is unreasonably pushy or demanding.Deleting the post, blaming others for HIS choice of words, and not apologizing for his violent imagery against a woman that didn't vote the way he demanded, is not taking responsibility. You wouldn't let that be described as taking responsibility by ANYONE on the right. You would never let that stand. And I said "You're being a bit unreasonably pushy and demanding that things get done in your time frame." You left off the last part of my sentence. You have a bad habit of doing that. He didn’t do what you’re interpreting. As usual you make up shit as you go.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 29, 2022 16:02:15 GMT
Nice. I've never read a book? I did read about the issue from the Left leaning Mediaite <Link “Back of the hand” can also be used idiomatically to mean rebuke. But then, so can the word “rebuke.” Reich chose the words he used." Previously, when he was chastising others for their rhetoric... "Reich was clear that the implications of rhetoric are the responsibility of the person speaking. Still, at this time Reich has taken no responsibility for his own violent imagery." If you read it there as you claim, did you intentionally leave this part out? Reich deleted the tweet, but not before there was a big reaction, and many conservatives responded to him with a screenshot of the now-deleted tweet.
or this one, along with Reich's tweet wholeheartedly condemning violence At the time of this posting Reich has not apologized for the violent imagery in his tweet, instead, he blamed “conservative media” for distorting and misinterpreting his remark.
If you read the article, perhaps a more balanced post or a more accurate, complete picture would have included the deleted tweet and the clarification. Since you chose to exclude those important, relevant details from your post, this thread seems very much like a gotcha post, despite your claim to the contrary. Again not an equal representation despite your attempts to portray it that way. Because that’s what she does. If it doesn’t fit her narrative and propaganda, she leaves it out, ignores context, refuses to consider anything outside her narrow minded echo chamber or she’ll move goal posts.
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Post by sideways on Jan 29, 2022 16:34:06 GMT
Clinton era labor secretary who rightfully condemns such things from the Right didn't see anything wrong with doing so himself. I know it'll be condemned here, it's not being posted as any kind of gotcha. Just equal representation of current events to discuss. Tell me you’re unread without saying you’re unread. I know you’re condemning what you perceive as promoting violence, but you have no room to criticize given your silence amid TFG’s and his cronies’ shenanigans. Spare us the self-righteous pearl clutching
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 29, 2022 16:48:09 GMT
Oh and pixiechik Gia, your title is a complete lie. (Which is no surprise coming from you).
His tweet absolutely did not call for violence against her.
You’re such a gaslighting liar.
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Post by PLurker on Jan 29, 2022 17:11:37 GMT
I appreciate his explanation, but I can't be the only person who has never heard that phrase mean anything but an assault. I am 63. It was a poor choice of words. You obviously are not the only one and I get what you're saying but I always try to see from the other side. The opposite can be true, some only know the term in the way he says it was meant. It was a poor choice of words from your (and some others) perspective but perhaps not his until it was pointed out. Just like different languages and dialects can be differently interpreted / misinterpreted, this can too. He seems to be among those that that phrase meant just what he and the original meaning claim it to be, non-violent. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt as he quickly deleted and explained, and I've seen no other history of "violence" in his posts, I follow.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 29, 2022 17:19:06 GMT
I appreciate his explanation, but I can't be the only person who has never heard that phrase mean anything but an assault. I am 63. It was a poor choice of words. You obviously are not the only one and I get what you're saying but I always try to see from the other side. The opposite can be true, some only know the term in the way he says it was meant. It was a poor choice of words from your (and some others) perspective but perhaps not his until it was pointed out. Just like different languages and dialects can be differently interpreted / misinterpreted, this can too. He seems to be among those that that phrase meant just what he and the original meaning claim it to be, non-violent. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt as he quickly deleted and explained, and I've seen no other history of "violence" in his posts, I follow. He’s not. He’s passionate, sure - but it’s reasoned passion, I’ve never seen him advocate violence - ever, and there is years of his written and spoken content out there. In fact, I’ve seen him speak out against violence, a fact which is being used against him in this story. Unlike the OP.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 29, 2022 17:44:00 GMT
My first thought on reading the tweet was backhand - I'm glad he deleted the tweet and accept his explanation.
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