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Post by pixiechick on Jan 28, 2022 22:50:15 GMT
Clinton era labor secretary who rightfully condemns such things from the Right didn't see anything wrong with doing so himself. I know it'll be condemned here, it's not being posted as any kind of gotcha. Just equal representation of current events to discuss.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 28, 2022 22:55:48 GMT
No no no no, just wrong and dangerous!
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 28, 2022 23:24:46 GMT
Not OK when anyone on either side encourages violence. I think it's also important to add this, Robert Reich deleted the tweet and posted this. Not really an equal representation. Perhaps you could edit your post or title.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 28, 2022 23:30:09 GMT
Pretty hypocritical since the OP couldn’t ever make a post condemning the violence that republicans threatened daily.
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Post by lucyg on Jan 28, 2022 23:32:46 GMT
I suppose there is absolutely zero point in my saying that Robert Reich was not urging violence against Kyrsten Sinema. ETA idioms.thefreedictionary.com/Back+of+the+handback of one's hand (redirected from Back of the hand) the back of (one's) hand 1. A rejection, snub, or rebuke; a display of contempt or scorn for someone or something. She met their accusations with the back of her hand. I give the back of my hand to anyone who says I'm not a good parent.
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Post by Merge on Jan 28, 2022 23:34:12 GMT
Not OK when anyone on either side encourages violence. I think it's also important to add this, Robert Reich deleted the tweet and posted this Yes. He would have been better to use an idiom like turning their backs on her, which implies the rebuke without the violence. No, we don’t condone violence against Sinema, no matter how big a traitorous she-devil she might be.
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Post by used2scrap on Jan 29, 2022 0:46:12 GMT
Promoting violence is wrong. I thought he meant like “ talk to the hand” instead of holding out a hand to shake.
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Post by lizacreates on Jan 29, 2022 0:50:30 GMT
Maybe it's because I'm old like Robert Reich, but that was a common phrase in my time. And it means exactly what he said--a rebuke.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 29, 2022 0:59:51 GMT
I suppose there is absolutely zero point in my saying that Robert Reich was not urging violence against Kyrsten Sinema. ETA idioms.thefreedictionary.com/Back+of+the+handback of one's hand (redirected from Back of the hand) the back of (one's) hand 1. A rejection, snub, or rebuke; a display of contempt or scorn for someone or something. She met their accusations with the back of her hand. I give the back of my hand to anyone who says I'm not a good parent.I was coming to post the same thing. It’s a very old synonym for “insult” or “rejection.”
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Post by Merge on Jan 29, 2022 1:03:40 GMT
I suppose there is absolutely zero point in my saying that Robert Reich was not urging violence against Kyrsten Sinema. ETA idioms.thefreedictionary.com/Back+of+the+handback of one's hand (redirected from Back of the hand) the back of (one's) hand 1. A rejection, snub, or rebuke; a display of contempt or scorn for someone or something. She met their accusations with the back of her hand. I give the back of my hand to anyone who says I'm not a good parent.I was coming to post the same thing. It’s a very old synonym for “insult” or “rejection.” Perhaps if any of these outraged people had ever read a book, they’d know that. Reminds me of the blowup over the use of the word “niggardly” a while back.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 29, 2022 1:04:15 GMT
I suppose there is absolutely zero point in my saying that Robert Reich was not urging violence against Kyrsten Sinema. ETA idioms.thefreedictionary.com/Back+of+the+handback of one's hand (redirected from Back of the hand) the back of (one's) hand 1. A rejection, snub, or rebuke; a display of contempt or scorn for someone or something. She met their accusations with the back of her hand. I give the back of my hand to anyone who says I'm not a good parent.exactly www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/back%20of%20the%20handback of one's hand or back of the hand : a show of contempt
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 29, 2022 1:08:10 GMT
Ah, here we go. I wondered where this came from. Is it possible that no one on Fox News has ever heard this expression? www.foxnews.com/media/ex-labor-secretary-reich-sinema-filibusterFormer Democratic Labor Secretary Robert Reich became the latest figure on the left to viciously attack Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., over her filibuster stance, suggesting Senate Democrats should assault her for it. "Tonight, Republican senators lined up to shake Kyrsten Sinema's hand," he wrote in a now-deleted tweet on Thursday. "Democratic senators should have given her the backs of their hands." On Thursday afternoon, he said he deleted the tweet because "it was widely misinterpreted and distorted by conservative media," calling "back of the hand" an "idiom for rebuke." Sinema has particularly enraged liberals for her steadfast support for maintaining the filibuster, and Reich's suggestion that Democrats should hit a woman for her stance drew outrage. National Review's Charles Cooke said Reich's remark was tantamount to saying Sinema "must be slapped around by her party if she fails to follow the demands of a white man." "No big deal," tweeted radio host Larry O'Connor. "Just Democrat/Socialist icon [Robert Reich] encouraging violence against a female senator who didn't vote the way he wanted." You can read the rest of it on the link if you want.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 29, 2022 1:21:54 GMT
For someone who likes to zone in on particulars and details, point out inaccuracies etc., it's interesting to me that pixiechick so far has neglected to edit her own misleading or incomplete post or title.
eta - your post appears to be a screenshot of Robert Reich's tweet. Since you didn't post the original tweet or link (impossible since its been deleted), I'm guessing that you might have known the tweet was deleted, at a minimum. And since the tweet was 9 days old, you might have also known that he posted a tweet clarifying his comment and condemning violence in no uncertain terms
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Post by pinklady on Jan 29, 2022 1:37:44 GMT
For someone who likes to zone in on particulars and details, point out inaccuracies etc., it's interesting to me that pixiechick so far has neglected to edit her own misleading post or title. or at least add the full story that the tweet was deleted and why he deleted it.
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 29, 2022 1:53:05 GMT
I missed the violence against Sinema in his tweet and assume anyone who read it as "violence" would benefit from googling the phrase. The more you know . . .
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 29, 2022 2:50:17 GMT
Not OK when anyone on either side encourages violence. I think it's also important to add this, Robert Reich deleted the tweet and posted this. Not really an equal representation. Perhaps you could edit your post or title. From the Left leaning > Mediaite“Back of the hand” can also be used idiomatically to mean rebuke. But then, so can the word “rebuke.” Reich chose the words he used." Previously, when he was chastising others for their rhetoric... "Reich was clear that the implications of rhetoric are the responsibility of the person speaking. Still, at this time Reich has taken no responsibility for his own violent imagery." From the Left leaning > Mediate
For someone who likes to zone in on particulars and details, point out inaccuracies etc., it's interesting to me that pixiechick so far has neglected to edit her own misleading or incomplete post or title. Holy hell. It doesn't occur to you that people do other things besides this board or what? Beside the fact that when I did comeback YOU had asked me to provide proof of something I said on another thread, so I was getting that. You're being a bit unreasonably pushy and demanding that things get done in your time frame.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 29, 2022 2:56:37 GMT
Back of the hand could be interpreted several ways. He deleted the post and his clarification condemning violence in absolute terms can't be interpreted in several ways.
And Reich takes no personal responsibility? He deleted the post.
You were here, posting on other threads. I can see why searching your history for criticism of Democrats could take a while. Sorry if asking you to edit a misleading or incomplete post is unreasonably pushy or demanding.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jan 29, 2022 3:00:57 GMT
I was coming to post the same thing. It’s a very old synonym for “insult” or “rejection.” Perhaps if any of these outraged people had ever read a book, they’d know that. Reminds me of the blowup over the use of the word “niggardly” a while back. That is exactly what went through my mind!
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 29, 2022 3:08:41 GMT
Back of the hand could be interpreted several ways. He deleted the post and his clarification condemning violence in absolute terms can't be interpreted in several ways. And Reich takes no personal responsibility? He deleted the post. You were here, posting on other threads. I can see why searching your history for criticism of Democrats could take a while. Sorry if asking you to edit a misleading or incomplete post is unreasonably pushy or demanding.Deleting the post, blaming others for HIS choice of words, and not apologizing for his violent imagery against a woman that didn't vote the way he demanded, is not taking responsibility. You wouldn't let that be described as taking responsibility by ANYONE on the right. You would never let that stand. And I said "You're being a bit unreasonably pushy and demanding that things get done in your time frame." You left off the last part of my sentence. You have a bad habit of doing that.
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Post by elaine on Jan 29, 2022 3:16:26 GMT
I was coming to post the same thing. It’s a very old synonym for “insult” or “rejection.” Perhaps if any of these outraged people had ever read a book, they’d know that. Reminds me of the blowup over the use of the word “niggardly” a while back. Nah. To them, it is much more interesting to ban and prevent others from reading books than it is for them to actually read themselves.
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Post by lizacreates on Jan 29, 2022 3:29:34 GMT
Ah, here we go. I wondered where this came from. Is it possible that no one on Fox News has ever heard this expression? www.foxnews.com/media/ex-labor-secretary-reich-sinema-filibusterFormer Democratic Labor Secretary Robert Reich became the latest figure on the left to viciously attack Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., over her filibuster stance, suggesting Senate Democrats should assault her for it. "Tonight, Republican senators lined up to shake Kyrsten Sinema's hand," he wrote in a now-deleted tweet on Thursday. "Democratic senators should have given her the backs of their hands." On Thursday afternoon, he said he deleted the tweet because "it was widely misinterpreted and distorted by conservative media," calling "back of the hand" an "idiom for rebuke." Sinema has particularly enraged liberals for her steadfast support for maintaining the filibuster, and Reich's suggestion that Democrats should hit a woman for her stance drew outrage. National Review's Charles Cooke said Reich's remark was tantamount to saying Sinema "must be slapped around by her party if she fails to follow the demands of a white man." "No big deal," tweeted radio host Larry O'Connor. "Just Democrat/Socialist icon [Robert Reich] encouraging violence against a female senator who didn't vote the way he wanted." You can read the rest of it on the link if you want. These hysterics are absurd. Violence and assault? Robert Reich? I’ve never seen him display a propensity for violence against anyone. Although he was always passionate and vocal about progressive ideals, he never acted uncivilized or spoke like some toxic male as far as I know. Even when he left public service and created his YT channel and was therefore unencumbered by any formal standard of behavior as a public figure, he never espoused violence of any kind. I watch his channel regularly.
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 29, 2022 3:36:55 GMT
Perhaps if any of these outraged people had ever read a book, they’d know that. Reminds me of the blowup over the use of the word “niggardly” a while back. That is exactly what went through my mind! Nice. I've never read a book? I did read about the issue from the Left leaning Mediaite <Link “Back of the hand” can also be used idiomatically to mean rebuke. But then, so can the word “rebuke.” Reich chose the words he used." Previously, when he was chastising others for their rhetoric... "Reich was clear that the implications of rhetoric are the responsibility of the person speaking. Still, at this time Reich has taken no responsibility for his own violent imagery."
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 29, 2022 3:44:58 GMT
That is exactly what went through my mind! Nice. I've never read a book? I did read about the issue from the Left leaning Mediaite <Link “Back of the hand” can also be used idiomatically to mean rebuke. But then, so can the word “rebuke.” Reich chose the words he used." Previously, when he was chastising others for their rhetoric... "Reich was clear that the implications of rhetoric are the responsibility of the person speaking. Still, at this time Reich has taken no responsibility for his own violent imagery." You left off the second meaning on that web page: idioms.thefreedictionary.com/give+someone+the+back+of+your+hand#:~:text=give%20(someone)%20the%20back%20of%20(one's)%20hand&text=2.,the%20back%20of%20her%20hand. The first meaning, which you cited, is the more modern meaning. The second meaning is the older, original one. back of one's hand, to give (someone) the To show contempt, to insult. “Here’s the back of my hand to you,” wrote Jonathan Swift (1738), perhaps signifying a challenging farewell. The back of the hand, of course, consists of knuckles, so the expression may once have meant a punch. Similarly, a backhanded compliment is actually malicious in intent. See also: back, give, of, to
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Post by Merge on Jan 29, 2022 3:53:20 GMT
That is exactly what went through my mind! Nice. I've never read a book? I did read about the issue from the Left leaning Mediaite <Link “Back of the hand” can also be used idiomatically to mean rebuke. But then, so can the word “rebuke.” Reich chose the words he used." Previously, when he was chastising others for their rhetoric... "Reich was clear that the implications of rhetoric are the responsibility of the person speaking. Still, at this time Reich has taken no responsibility for his own violent imagery." You mean you read an opinion piece that confirmed your bias by the far-right Blaze and RedState "journalist" Caleb Howe, whom Mediaite unwisely features on occasion because they think it makes them appear more balanced. And then you did no further research to check what you believed to be true, and you rushed to make a "gotcha" post on the pea board. Blaze "journalist" Caleb Howe also chose to use only an image of the meaning he wished to convey from a book of idioms that is, shockingly, not available for fact-checking online. I know. I, too, have a hard time believing that a Blaze "journalist" would do such a thing, but here we are. More readily accessible online idiom dictionaries give both potential definitions. Perhaps you've also read a book that included the phrase "backhanded compliment," which derives from the same well-known meaning of the words Reich used. I assume that if someone said they gave Biden a backhanded compliment, you'd understand that they didn't mean to strike him, right? Meanwhile, Reich, who is not known for using violent imagery or advocating violence of any type, retracted his statement and clarified his position on violence. To further demonstrate his lack of violent intent, he did not stand outside and incite a group of people to go and commit violence against Senator Sinema. He also did not refer to Sinema as "the enemy of the people" or suggest that some "2nd amendment people" should do something about her. He didn't suggest that anyone should "lock her up." I think if Reich had really intended violence against Sinema, he would have gone one of those routes instead of retracting his statement and clarifying his position. But perhaps you hang around with people who express violent intent on the regular, and I'm just not aware of how it's done.
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 29, 2022 3:53:33 GMT
Nice. I've never read a book? I did read about the issue from the Left leaning Mediaite <Link “Back of the hand” can also be used idiomatically to mean rebuke. But then, so can the word “rebuke.” Reich chose the words he used."Previously, when he was chastising others for their rhetoric... "Reich was clear that the implications of rhetoric are the responsibility of the person speaking. Still, at this time Reich has taken no responsibility for his own violent imagery." You left off the second meaning on that web page: idioms.thefreedictionary.com/give+someone+the+back+of+your+hand#:~:text=give%20(someone)%20the%20back%20of%20(one's)%20hand&text=2.,the%20back%20of%20her%20hand. The first meaning, which you cited, is the more modern meaning. The second meaning is the older, original one. back of one's hand, to give (someone) the To show contempt, to insult. “Here’s the back of my hand to you,” wrote Jonathan Swift (1738), perhaps signifying a challenging farewell. The back of the hand, of course, consists of knuckles, so the expression may once have meant a punch. Similarly, a backhanded compliment is actually malicious in intent. See also: back, give, of, to No, I didn't leave it off. You even quoted me with it in there. I bolded and underlined it since, you missed it.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 29, 2022 4:02:19 GMT
That is exactly what went through my mind! Nice. I've never read a book? I did read about the issue from the Left leaning Mediaite <Link “Back of the hand” can also be used idiomatically to mean rebuke. But then, so can the word “rebuke.” Reich chose the words he used." Previously, when he was chastising others for their rhetoric... "Reich was clear that the implications of rhetoric are the responsibility of the person speaking. Still, at this time Reich has taken no responsibility for his own violent imagery." If you read it there as you claim, did you intentionally leave this part out? Reich deleted the tweet, but not before there was a big reaction, and many conservatives responded to him with a screenshot of the now-deleted tweet.
or this one, along with Reich's tweet wholeheartedly condemning violence At the time of this posting Reich has not apologized for the violent imagery in his tweet, instead, he blamed “conservative media” for distorting and misinterpreting his remark.
If you read the article, perhaps a more balanced post or a more accurate, complete picture would have included the deleted tweet and the clarification. Since you chose to exclude those important, relevant details from your post, this thread seems very much like a gotcha post, despite your claim to the contrary. Again not an equal representation despite your attempts to portray it that way.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 29, 2022 4:06:03 GMT
You left off the second meaning on that web page: idioms.thefreedictionary.com/give+someone+the+back+of+your+hand#:~:text=give%20(someone)%20the%20back%20of%20(one's)%20hand&text=2.,the%20back%20of%20her%20hand. The first meaning, which you cited, is the more modern meaning. The second meaning is the older, original one. back of one's hand, to give (someone) the To show contempt, to insult. “Here’s the back of my hand to you,” wrote Jonathan Swift (1738), perhaps signifying a challenging farewell. The back of the hand, of course, consists of knuckles, so the expression may once have meant a punch. Similarly, a backhanded compliment is actually malicious in intent. See also: back, give, of, to No, I didn't leave it off. You even quoted me with it in there. I bolded and underlined it since, you missed it. Lol, ok, sorry. you did say rebuke-although you left out the rest of it. You seem to be sure that he meant the first definition. Why is that?
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 29, 2022 4:06:05 GMT
Nice. I've never read a book? I did read about the issue from the Left leaning Mediaite <Link “Back of the hand” can also be used idiomatically to mean rebuke. But then, so can the word “rebuke.” Reich chose the words he used." Previously, when he was chastising others for their rhetoric... "Reich was clear that the implications of rhetoric are the responsibility of the person speaking. Still, at this time Reich has taken no responsibility for his own violent imagery." If you read it there as you claim, did you intentionally leave this part out? Reich deleted the tweet, but not before there was a big reaction, and many conservatives responded to him with a screenshot of the now-deleted tweet.
or this one, along with Reich's tweet wholeheartedly condemning violence At the time of this posting Reich has not apologized for the violent imagery in his tweet, instead, he blamed “conservative media” for distorting and misinterpreting his remark.
If you read the article, perhaps a more balanced post or a more accurate, complete picture would have included the deleted tweet and the clarification. Since you chose to exclude that part from your post, this thread seems very much like a gotcha post, despite your claim. I have included the link to the entire article, so no, nothing was left out.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 29, 2022 4:09:43 GMT
You included a link but left out significant, relevant details from the article and from your original post.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 29, 2022 4:11:09 GMT
Ah, here we go. I wondered where this came from. Is it possible that no one on Fox News has ever heard this expression? www.foxnews.com/media/ex-labor-secretary-reich-sinema-filibusterFormer Democratic Labor Secretary Robert Reich became the latest figure on the left to viciously attack Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., over her filibuster stance, suggesting Senate Democrats should assault her for it. "Tonight, Republican senators lined up to shake Kyrsten Sinema's hand," he wrote in a now-deleted tweet on Thursday. "Democratic senators should have given her the backs of their hands." On Thursday afternoon, he said he deleted the tweet because "it was widely misinterpreted and distorted by conservative media," calling "back of the hand" an "idiom for rebuke." Sinema has particularly enraged liberals for her steadfast support for maintaining the filibuster, and Reich's suggestion that Democrats should hit a woman for her stance drew outrage. National Review's Charles Cooke said Reich's remark was tantamount to saying Sinema "must be slapped around by her party if she fails to follow the demands of a white man." "No big deal," tweeted radio host Larry O'Connor. "Just Democrat/Socialist icon [Robert Reich] encouraging violence against a female senator who didn't vote the way he wanted." You can read the rest of it on the link if you want. These hysterics are absurd. Violence and assault? Robert Reich? I’ve never seen him display a propensity for violence against anyone. Although he was always passionate and vocal about progressive ideals, he never acted uncivilized or spoke like some toxic male as far as I know. Even when he left public service and created his YT channel and was therefore unencumbered by any formal standard of behavior as a public figure, he never espoused violence of any kind. I watch his channel regularly. I subscribe to his substack newsletter, and have for quite a while - I’ve never seen it in his writings either. I would NOT condone it if he did, but I don’t see that he did in this case. I’m sure he’ll be carefully considering his usage of idioms and metaphors, in future though. Honestly thread this has *gotcha* all over it.
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