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Post by onelasttime on Jan 31, 2022 21:37:04 GMT
The tweet gives you an idea of what he said. But listening to the video…
He goes on to say President Biden has insulted black women by saying the next Justice will be a black woman. That if he chose the most qualified person and it was a black woman then he could “creditably” say he is nominating the person most qualified. He is also saying if you’re a white guy tough luck or if you’re a white woman tough luck. Meaning if these white folks are qualified good luck in being picked because you aren’t black.
He really can’t be that clueless..
I think the Supreme Court should be reflective of the diversity of the population of the country. For a number of years there have been more women then men in this country. But yet the majority have always been men. The whites are losing the majority in this country yet there is still a majority of white Justices, not including Breyer. It makes absolute sense to increase the diversity on the Court. I have no doubt President Biden’s choice will be more then qualified for the job.
This is one of the reasons I like the idea of term limits for Supreme Court Justices.
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Post by lindas on Jan 31, 2022 22:04:06 GMT
I agree with you on terms limits for the Supreme Court and diversity. However, by Biden specifically saying a black woman he eliminated other minority segments of the population. Why not an Asian American or an openly gay or transgender person. He played to a specific group of people to get their vote and boxed himself in on this.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 31, 2022 22:04:54 GMT
It’s kind of scary that I look at something the same way Lindsay Graham does..,
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 31, 2022 22:05:59 GMT
Regrettably, Cruz is only the tip of the iceberg. Republicans are losing their minds over this www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/28/race-baiting-response/So it’s important to be clear about what I am, and am not, arguing. In assessing racism, I try to stick to the “what you said, not who you are” standard. With the occasional exception, we can judge a statement racist without peering into the heart of the speaker, which ends up sucking us into distractions about how many Black friends someone has. Let’s consider some of what’s circulating on the right. On Fox News, Gregg Jarrett said Biden is violating the Civil Rights Act by promising to appoint a Black woman (and no, a Supreme Court appointment is not like an ordinary job opening). Sean Hannity claimed Biden’s pledge “may even be illegal.” Someone is clearly being discriminated against here, and it’s White people. Conservative legal scholar Ilya Shapiro tweeted that rather than picking a male candidate Shapiro judged to be the “objectively best pick,” Biden would succumb to the “latest intersectional hierarchy” and choose a “lesser black woman.” (He later deleted the tweet and apologized.) Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal editorial page said choosing a Black woman “elevates skin color over qualifications,” as though it would be impossible to find a Black woman who is also qualified. “I mean, what kind of a qualification is that, being a Black woman?” asked Fox News’s Maria Bartiromo. “They can overtly discriminate against people,” lamented Ben Shapiro. Tucker Carlson issued a nearly 10-minute rant about the injustice of it all, concluding with the suggestion that George Floyd’s sister should be the nominee. “She is not a judge or a lawyer or whatever, but in this case, who cares?" Carlson said. “Clearly, that’s not the point anymore.” So what’s racist about this? Aren’t they just advocating for equality? Think about the assumption behind these objections: That if Biden promised to choose a Black woman and then did, whoever she is, that means she must be unqualified if her race were part of the reason she was chosen, or at the very least less qualified than someone who isn’t a Black woman. Why would that be? hey look at someone such as reported leading contender Ketanji Brown Jackson — national oratory champion in high school, magna cum laude graduate of Harvard University, editor of the Harvard Law Review, Supreme Court clerk, experience as a trial and appeals court judge — and say there must be better candidates, if only Biden were open-minded enough to consider them. Really? Like whom? Here’s the reality of Supreme Court nominations: Hundreds of people clear the bar of qualifications and intelligence to serve. There’s no such thing as one most qualified candidate. Once a president is picking from that pool, other variables come into play: their age, their life experiences, their ideological inclinations, whether anything about them might complicate confirmation.
Every president takes those questions into consideration, and conservatives have supported some nominees precisely because of those ancillary qualities. They praised Amy Coney Barrett for being a mother of seven and for having not attended law school at Harvard or Yale like every other justice. They found that kind of diversity valuable. One prominent conservative even wrote in 2018, “The main reason I favor Barrett, though, is the obvious one: She’s a woman.” More gender diversity among justices was seen as something Republicans should value. Likewise, Brett M. Kavanaugh wasn’t chosen by President Donald Trump because he was the wisest jurist in the land. He was relatively young (then 53), so he could serve for a long time, and his years in Republican politics and stamp of approval from the Federalist Society assured Republicans that he’d be a reliable conservative vote. As an intellect, Kavanaugh is adequate, but no one claims he’s a generation-defining genius. Conservatives have also conveniently forgotten that Ronald Reagan made a promise similar to Biden’s when he ran for president in 1980: He vowed to appoint the first female justice — and then did. When George H.W. Bush filled Thurgood Marshall’s seat with Clarence Thomas in 1991, everyone understood that Bush wanted to find a Black conservative. But when a Democrat does the same thing, a noxious yet familiar narrative emerges: The true story of any advancement for a Black person, we’re told, is that White people are being victimized. To repeat, it doesn’t matter whether conservatives expressing outrage that Biden will appoint someone with a stellar resume who is also a Black woman are genuinely motivated by racial animus. What matters is that they are quite intentionally engaged in a project of race-baiting, one that seeks to mobilize the racial fears and resentments of the Republican base. They know exactly what they’re doing. And we shouldn’t let them claim otherwise.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 31, 2022 22:08:17 GMT
I agree with you on terms limits for the Supreme Court and diversity. However, by Biden specifically saying a black woman he eliminated other minority segments of the population. Why not an Asian American or an openly gay or transgender person. He played to a specific group of people to get their vote and boxed himself in on this. There are hundreds of people qualified to be a supreme court justice. Every president narrows that field. Biden's nominee will be just as qualified if not more than every other Justice. The Supreme Court should reflect our country with a diversity of perspectives, opinions and backgrounds. And yes hopefully, one day the Supreme Court will also have an Asian American, Native American and a gay or transgender person. After 110 men, 108 of them white, the Supreme Court is long overdue for a change.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 31, 2022 22:16:02 GMT
I posted this on another thread, but I think Republican's biggest objections are 1. Biden is replacing a white male with a black woman 2. His choice will be liberal. The only platform that Republicans have is to oppose and obstruct anything Democrats try to do.
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Post by Merge on Jan 31, 2022 22:25:15 GMT
Yeah, the party that just confirmed three white, conservative Catholics to the court can pretty much sit down.
Ted Cruz is an ass who needs to be permanently removed from having any voice for the people of Texas (through the ballot box, not anything nefarious - I would greatly enjoy seeing him reduced to being a podcast host and commentator on OANN or something). He's an absolute embarrassment.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jan 31, 2022 22:26:21 GMT
FFS Ted. Nominating a SC justice does not require some warped version of a cage match in which THE most qualified person is appointed! It has NEVER been about getting the “most qualified” nominee but rather a highly qualified nominee.
Barrett, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch did not have to pass the “most qualified” test. (Hell, Kavanaugh didn’t even pass the “merely qualified” test!) Neither should Biden’s nominee.
Reagan pledged to nominate a woman and did, and the Senate confirmed 100% (or close to it). It was not seen as a “negative” when he made that pledge.
Trump promised to nominate a woman when Ginsburg died, and none of the conservatives up in arms over Biden’s pledge had anything to say about that.
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Post by pinklady on Jan 31, 2022 22:44:05 GMT
He played to a specific group of people to get their vote and boxed himself in on this. So have republicans so I'm genuinely curious why is it such a problem for you when Biden did it? Why do you hold democrats to a different standard than republicans?
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Post by lindas on Jan 31, 2022 23:01:37 GMT
He played to a specific group of people to get their vote and boxed himself in on this. So have republicans so I'm genuinely curious why is it such a problem for you when Biden did it? Why do you hold democrats to a different standard than republicans? I never said it was a problem, I merely made a statement which you can agree or disagree with. All politicians play to their base, that’s how the game is played. In this case I feel he got too specific.
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 31, 2022 23:04:06 GMT
No one should fall for any of this.
Republicans have been clear for years that they will oppose any Democratic appointment to the Court.
Period.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 31, 2022 23:08:24 GMT
It’s kind of scary that I look at something the same way Lindsay Graham does.., I keep wondering what his agenda is. This doesn't seem like the kind of statement he would make without some reason.
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Post by Merge on Jan 31, 2022 23:12:57 GMT
So have republicans so I'm genuinely curious why is it such a problem for you when Biden did it? Why do you hold democrats to a different standard than republicans? I never said it was a problem, I merely made a statement which you can agree or disagree with. All politicians play to their base, that’s how the game is played. In this case I feel he got too specific. The millions of white people who voted for Biden are also generally in favor of more diversity on the Supreme Court. How is that boxed in when there are hundreds of qualified black females for this job?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 23:13:19 GMT
I agree with you on terms limits for the Supreme Court and diversity. However, by Biden specifically saying a black woman he eliminated other minority segments of the population. Why not an Asian American or an openly gay or transgender person. He played to a specific group of people to get their vote and boxed himself in on this. I get what you're saying about Biden trying to get the black votes. But I'm not going to hold my breath wishing the republicans are going to suggest any of the above minorities, so I'm good with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 23:14:16 GMT
So have republicans so I'm genuinely curious why is it such a problem for you when Biden did it? Why do you hold democrats to a different standard than republicans? I never said it was a problem, I merely made a statement which you can agree or disagree with. All politicians play to their base, that’s how the game is played. In this case I feel he got too specific. But if he had done what you suggested, then he would have been accused of catering to a whole batch of minorities. Hmm actually, that would have been a better idea for him to get votes. Fortunately he didn't need it.
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Post by Merge on Jan 31, 2022 23:22:20 GMT
No one should fall for any of this. Republicans have been clear for years that they will oppose any Democratic appointment to the Court. Period. Yes, exactly. They’re setting the stage for Manchin and Sinema to have “concerns” about the selection process. This whole thing is a farce.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 31, 2022 23:57:35 GMT
If you are using who has been discounted..
GOP Reagan discounted 50%+/- of population when he said, while campaigning, that he would choose a female for SCOTUS!
GQP Trump discounted 50%+/- of population by saying he was saving Coney- Barrett's for Ginsberg's seat just prior to the 2020 election.
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Post by sideways on Feb 1, 2022 0:15:54 GMT
There are many qualified SP candidates across demographics. They’d have to be narrowed down, regardless. Why NOT pick a black woman? We don’t need another white guy on the bench. I think their perspective is well represented.
If more SP justices would like to step down (Roberts, Thomas, Alito), I’m sure Biden would pick from another minority group.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 0:22:12 GMT
108 of 115 Supreme Court justices have been white men - 94% - Cruz can STFD and STFU.
Of course with each individual pick we can't fulfill all the diversity that would be nice to see on the court.
But with a black woman, it goes a LONG way to addressing the shit this country has had to put up with at the hands of many of those 108 of 115 so far.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 1, 2022 0:24:36 GMT
Maybe impeach Thomas for not respecting decorum by hearing cases his extremist right wife is involved in!!
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Post by lindas on Feb 1, 2022 0:52:31 GMT
No one should fall for any of this. Republicans have been clear for years that they will oppose any Democratic appointment to the Court. Period. That’s funny since there were republicans that voted in favor of both Sotomayor and Kagan.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 1, 2022 0:58:53 GMT
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Post by tincin on Feb 1, 2022 1:08:14 GMT
It’s kind of scary that I look at something the same way Lindsay Graham does.., I keep wondering what his agenda is. This doesn't seem like the kind of statement he would make without some reason. I believe the person who considered the mostly likely to be nominated is from his state.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 1, 2022 1:17:50 GMT
I keep wondering what his agenda is. This doesn't seem like the kind of statement he would make without some reason. I believe the person who considered the mostly likely to be nominated is from his state. Lindsay Graham was one of the few Rs that voted for Kagan and Sotomayor, too, so no idea what his ulterior motives might be.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 1, 2022 3:42:24 GMT
No one should fall for any of this. Republicans have been clear for years that they will oppose any Democratic appointment to the Court. Period. That’s funny since there were republicans that voted in favor of both Sotomayor and Kagan. It’s not funny—it’s fact and true.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 1, 2022 3:48:02 GMT
I keep wondering what his agenda is. This doesn't seem like the kind of statement he would make without some reason. I believe the person who considered the mostly likely to be nominated is from his state. Maybe he is "showing support" for the candidate from his state that people like, knowing that she probably won't get the nomination. Then he can be all upset and get people riled up against Biden for not choosing "their" candidate.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 1, 2022 11:16:58 GMT
I think Childs from So Carolina has been on the list and is very well qualified, is also on Clyburn's pick too... Only remembering this because of her So Carolina schooling that was mentioned so often.
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Post by elaine on Feb 1, 2022 12:20:04 GMT
That’s funny since there were republicans that voted in favor of both Sotomayor and Kagan. It’s not funny—it’s fact and true. How quickly the GOP publicly “forgets”/ignores what McConnell and the rest of them did under the Obama administration to block Garland being placed on the court, only to do a complete about-face and force Coney Barrett through with less time left in Trump’s presidency.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 1, 2022 13:22:57 GMT
I agree with you on terms limits for the Supreme Court and diversity. However, by Biden specifically saying a black woman he eliminated other minority segments of the population. Why not an Asian American or an openly gay or transgender person. He played to a specific group of people to get their vote and boxed himself in on this. I would consider him boxed in only if there were no suitable black female candidates. There are a number of very suitable such candidates. There has never been a black female Justice, so I see nothing wrong with wanting to make the SC better reflect America. Reagan said that he would nominate a woman, and so did Trump. By your standards, both boxed themselves in-albeit to a lesser degree. But in saying that they would nominate a woman, they eliminated part of the qualified candidates. Was that wrong? I don’t think so, since women were under-represented on the Court. And I keep coming back to the thought that for most of our history, no President needed to put qualifiers on his search. It was automatically assumed that a white male would be the candidate.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 1, 2022 18:41:24 GMT
He really doesn’t know when to shut up does he…l
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