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Post by voltagain on Feb 4, 2022 22:03:00 GMT
The Ukraine has talked about joining NATO. Putin sees that as a threat to Russia's security as NATO will likely put bases in the Ukraine if they join. Having US and European military based that close to them is a very real securcity threat. Same as if part of Canada decided to join an alliance with China/Russia and put their armies at our border. The Ukraine also has a wealth of oil and various minerals that will be cut off to Russia or if not cut off, at least sold to the highest bidder. There are NATO troops already stationed in Latvia and Estonia and have been for a few years. Both countries border Russia. There are only about 1,000 NATO troops in Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. About 900 are British, Danish and Netherland troops. Only 120 or so are US troops. The concern seems to be the Ukraine would host many more US troops. Putin doesn't seem to trust the US presence would remain under complete NATO control. |
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Post by gar on Feb 4, 2022 22:19:04 GMT
I worry that this will turn into a huge problem, and that China wjll side with Russia. China has publicly sided with Russia during Putin's visit to the Olympics. |
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Post by lesley on Feb 4, 2022 22:28:58 GMT
There are NATO troops already stationed in Latvia and Estonia and have been for a few years. Both countries border Russia. There are only about 1,000 NATO troops in Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. About 900 are British, Danish and Netherland troops. Only 120 or so are US troops. The concern seems to be the Ukraine would host many more US troops. Putin doesn't seem to trust the US presence would remain under complete NATO control. As an aside, it’s just Ukraine, not the Ukraine.  |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 4, 2022 23:23:48 GMT
I worry that this will turn into a huge problem, and that China wjll side with Russia. China has publicly sided with Russia during Putin's visit to the Olympics. I saw that this morning. I would be curious to know what they talked about. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 21, 2022 20:02:20 GMT
Can someone explain Putin "recognizing separatist regions in Ukraine as independent states"? How does he have any power to do that? Isn't that like the US saying that parts of Canada and Mexico are independent states, even though their governments do not agree. Am I missing something?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 21, 2022 20:13:28 GMT
Then he can say he didn't take them over, he gave them their independence.
He gave a nation wide speech .. he told the Russian people that the West is giving Ukraine nuclear weapons to appease his citizens for war.
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Post by pyccku on Feb 21, 2022 20:39:45 GMT
Can someone explain Putin "recognizing separatist regions in Ukraine as independent states"? How does he have any power to do that? Isn't that like the US saying that parts of Canada and Mexico are independent states, even though their governments do not agree. Am I missing something? Yes, that's pretty much what he's doing. He doesn't have the power to do that, other than Russia>Ukraine, so he's going to do whatever he wants. If Ukraine can't do anything to retake those regions, what's to stop him from doing it? Russia needs to become a pariah nation on the financial stage. As happens so often, if the money men start losing large amounts of money, something will be done. So long as they are allowed to enjoy their profits (so long as they share them with Putin, of course), they are fine letting him sit on top of the heap. But if they can't access their funds, if they can't profit from their businesses, if they can't get out of Russia to enjoy a summer vacation in southern France - all of a sudden they won't be quite so willing to let Putin stay in charge. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 21, 2022 20:56:07 GMT
This is what he is up to
“U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said last week that recognizing the separatist regions would be “a gross violation of international law” that would further violate Ukraine’s territorial integrity. He said such a move would “necessitate a swift and firm response from the United States in full coordination with our Allies and partners.”
Moscow has been preparing the ground for years — issuing Russian passports to 800,000 Ukrainians in the two separatist regions since 2019 so Russia could send in forces to “defend” them as its own citizens.“
So he is pretending that many of the citizens of those Republics are Russian citizens. This allows him to pretend that he is defending those citizens, because they are “under attack” from Ukraine.
The important thing to know is that Putin is a serial liar who makes stuff up to get what he wants. And what he wants is the old USSR back-or something close to it. His word is no good, and everyone knows it. That is why NATO countries are sticking together.
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Post by Gem Girl on Feb 21, 2022 21:01:00 GMT
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 21, 2022 21:07:40 GMT
For those who didn't follow how Putin moved his troops (150 000 soldiers in total) in the past few weeks, this is the current map. It truly is a war zone.  Also, the old continent right now (I kid you not, I'm mentally exhausted):  |
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 21, 2022 21:09:07 GMT
This is what he is up to “U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said last week that recognizing the separatist regions would be “a gross violation of international law” that would further violate Ukraine’s territorial integrity. He said such a move would “necessitate a swift and firm response from the United States in full coordination with our Allies and partners.”
Moscow has been preparing the ground for years — issuing Russian passports to 800,000 Ukrainians in the two separatist regions since 2019 so Russia could send in forces to “defend” them as its own citizens.“ So he is pretending that many of the citizens of those Republics are Russian citizens. This allows him to pretend that he is defending those citizens, because they are “under attack” from Ukraine. The important thing to know is that Putin is a serial liar who makes stuff up to get what he wants. And what he wants is the old USSR back-or something close to it. His word is no good, and everyone knows it. That is why NATO countries are sticking together. He’s already preemptively trying to justify it. |
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 21, 2022 21:11:13 GMT
For those who didn't follow how Putin moved his troops (150 000 soldiers in total) in the past few weeks, this is the current map. It truly is a war zone. Also, the old continent right now (I kid you not, I'm mentally exhausted): Yeah he’s effectively got the entire Russian/Ukraine border (and then some) armed and ready to go. The Russian bots on Twitter are easy to provoke on this through. |
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Post by pyccku on Feb 21, 2022 21:12:33 GMT
And the other big question is - with Putin going against one of our allies - why is it OK that certain entertainers on some channels feel it appropriate to support Putin over the US foreign policy and our allied country?
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Post by gar on Feb 21, 2022 21:13:15 GMT
This is a pretty good explanation too BBC
"The self-declared people's republics of Donetsk and Luhansk are home to Russia-backed rebels who have been fighting Ukrainian forces since 2014. Russia's move is likely to end peace talks in the region, which has been under a tenuous ceasefire for years. Western powers also fear it could pave the way for Russian military forces to enter Ukraine's eastern regions." |
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 21, 2022 21:14:14 GMT
This is what he is up to “U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said last week that recognizing the separatist regions would be “a gross violation of international law” that would further violate Ukraine’s territorial integrity. He said such a move would “necessitate a swift and firm response from the United States in full coordination with our Allies and partners.”
Moscow has been preparing the ground for years — issuing Russian passports to 800,000 Ukrainians in the two separatist regions since 2019 so Russia could send in forces to “defend” them as its own citizens.“ So he is pretending that many of the citizens of those Republics are Russian citizens. This allows him to pretend that he is defending those citizens, because they are “under attack” from Ukraine. The important thing to know is that Putin is a serial liar who makes stuff up to get what he wants. And what he wants is the old USSR back-or something close to it. His word is no good, and everyone knows it. That is why NATO countries are sticking together. He’s already preemptively trying to justify it. Right on schedule. He’s got chutzpah, I’ll give him that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 21:26:07 GMT
He's goading the rest of us with everything he has and waiting for someone to fire from Ukraine. He will then have all the ammunition he needs to say " well it wasn't us that started it" Recognizing the separatist regions is his latest goading and he knew that would get a reaction.
Ukraine's military has had strict instructions not to react to anything otherwise they would be playing right into his hand.
Collective sanctions from members of NATO against Russia are imminent by the sound of things
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 21, 2022 21:28:35 GMT
This is what he is up to “U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said last week that recognizing the separatist regions would be “a gross violation of international law” that would further violate Ukraine’s territorial integrity. He said such a move would “necessitate a swift and firm response from the United States in full coordination with our Allies and partners.”
Moscow has been preparing the ground for years — issuing Russian passports to 800,000 Ukrainians in the two separatist regions since 2019 so Russia could send in forces to “defend” them as its own citizens.“ So he is pretending that many of the citizens of those Republics are Russian citizens. This allows him to pretend that he is defending those citizens, because they are “under attack” from Ukraine. The important thing to know is that Putin is a serial liar who makes stuff up to get what he wants. And what he wants is the old USSR back-or something close to it. His word is no good, and everyone knows it. That is why NATO countries are sticking together. Everyone seems to know he makes stuff up except for other Russians. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 21, 2022 21:30:17 GMT
And the other big question is - with Putin going against one of our allies - why is it OK that certain entertainers on some channels feel it appropriate to support Putin over the US foreign policy and our allied country? Party over country with them every time. |
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Post by gar on Feb 21, 2022 21:31:58 GMT
This is what he is up to “U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said last week that recognizing the separatist regions would be “a gross violation of international law” that would further violate Ukraine’s territorial integrity. He said such a move would “necessitate a swift and firm response from the United States in full coordination with our Allies and partners.”
Moscow has been preparing the ground for years — issuing Russian passports to 800,000 Ukrainians in the two separatist regions since 2019 so Russia could send in forces to “defend” them as its own citizens.“ So he is pretending that many of the citizens of those Republics are Russian citizens. This allows him to pretend that he is defending those citizens, because they are “under attack” from Ukraine. The important thing to know is that Putin is a serial liar who makes stuff up to get what he wants. And what he wants is the old USSR back-or something close to it. His word is no good, and everyone knows it. That is why NATO countries are sticking together. Everyone seems to know he makes stuff up except for other Russians. Indeed. Their media is heavily state controlled. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 21, 2022 21:33:01 GMT
This is what he is up to “U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said last week that recognizing the separatist regions would be “a gross violation of international law” that would further violate Ukraine’s territorial integrity. He said such a move would “necessitate a swift and firm response from the United States in full coordination with our Allies and partners.”
Moscow has been preparing the ground for years — issuing Russian passports to 800,000 Ukrainians in the two separatist regions since 2019 so Russia could send in forces to “defend” them as its own citizens.“ So he is pretending that many of the citizens of those Republics are Russian citizens. This allows him to pretend that he is defending those citizens, because they are “under attack” from Ukraine. The important thing to know is that Putin is a serial liar who makes stuff up to get what he wants. And what he wants is the old USSR back-or something close to it. His word is no good, and everyone knows it. That is why NATO countries are sticking together. Everyone seems to know he makes stuff up except for other Russians. Tightly controlled Russian media. Like Newsmax on steroids. ☺️ |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 21, 2022 21:59:09 GMT
Hawley, Cruz, Hannity, Carlson, FOX Sand friends support Putin, and Franklyn Graham is praying for Putin ..
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Post by gar on Feb 21, 2022 22:07:15 GMT
Putin has just ordered troops into Eastern Ukraine, claiming it to be 'peacekeeping'.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 21, 2022 22:07:42 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 21, 2022 22:14:14 GMT
Putin's Right-Wing Shills And why they matter. Charlie Sykes February 21, 2002 Flashback to July, 2018. After the summit between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, this is what I wrote for the now-deceased Weekly Standard: It seems only moments ago that Republicans derided Barack Obama’s “apology tour.” But that has been replaced by Donald Trump’s Groveling Tour, a peculiar combination of bullying our friends and fawning on our enemies. Monday’s summit seems destined to be recorded in the annals of diplomatic folly, with geopolitical consequences that will last far longer than our own frenetic attention spans.
What we have learned again is that at the heart of every truculent and strutting bully is a craven sycophant eager to cower before a bigger bully.
On Monday, Trump found that bigger bully and his cowering was the embarrassment heard round the world.
The president did not merely insult and dismiss members of his own administration (Dan Coats) and attack the institutions of his own government on foreign soil (the FBI and DoJ), he also demeaned his own country, all in order to curry favor with a bloody martinet, who is aggressively attacking us.Consider this the context of today’s news. President Biden has agreed “in principle” to a summit with Putin, which may or may not avert a catastrophic war. We don’t know. What we can know, however, is that Putin is fully aware that he faces a divided U.S., and that influential voices on the right have been channeling much of his own propaganda. By now the cast of Putin’s useful idiots is familiar, ranging from Tucker Carlson, and Josh Hawley to Candace Owens, MTG, and Maria Bartiromo.Fiona Hill, the former senior director for Europe and Russia at the National Security Council, calls them "the ultimate stooges," but at least for now, these right wing voices do not speak for most congressional Republicans, who have tended to take a far more hawkish stance. But Putin can be forgiven if he thinks his “conservative” allies represent the sentiment of MAGAWorld, coming as they do from some of Trump’s most loyal acolytes. And he may be especially emboldened if he believes that Trump himself may actually return to the Oval Office. So these right wing shills matter. Here’s former NSC/White House aide expert Alexander Vindman: Commenting on Vindman’s tweet, Garry Kasparov wrote: “What's most pathetic is that these Republicans are openly supporting a dictatorship that has attacked America. Putin openly treats the United States as an enemy, and they are doing his bidding in slandering Ukraine, his target.” ** morningshots.thebulwark.com/p/putins-right-wing-shills |
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Post by casii on Feb 21, 2022 22:17:02 GMT
Hawley, Cruz, Hannity, Carlson, FOX Sand friends support Putin, and Franklyn Graham is praying for Putin .. They are welcome to go to Russia and fight in Putin's army. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 21, 2022 22:45:49 GMT
Hawley, Cruz, Hannity, Carlson, FOX Sand friends support Putin, and Franklyn Graham is praying for Putin .. They are welcome to go to Russia and fight in Putin's army. The list in the piece, also includes Gosar, Bartilomo(FOX), Ingram and a few others |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 21, 2022 23:21:10 GMT
Makes one wonder if some of that classified information trump stole from the White House made its way to Russia for a nice tidy sum.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 21, 2022 23:25:43 GMT
Makes one wonder if some of that classified information trump stole from the White House made its way to Russia for a nice tidy sum. Interesting thought!! Hopefully the Archives is/has made lists of exactly what he had!! |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 22, 2022 2:29:59 GMT
Graham's first post asking for prayer so that there is no war doesn't bother me. The rest of his posts about Biden do. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 22, 2022 4:40:22 GMT
Kenya Ambassador to UN... You can read his speach or watch the video at the bottom, about five minutes WATCH: Kenya takes down Russia in United Nations Security Council speechSarah K. Burris February 21, 2022 The United Nations Security Council held an emergency meeting at 9 p.m. EST after Russian President Vladimir Putin said that he now recognizes part of Ukraine as Russia and he will send in his troops to be peacekeepers. The U.K. was quick to announce sanctions. They rebuked Russia along with Mexico, Ireland, Norway, Ghana, and others. But it was Kenya that took the remarks a step further. The territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine stands breached," said Ambassador Martin Kimani. "The Charter of the United Nations continues to wilt under the relentless assault. In one moment it is invoked in reverence by the very same countries who then turned their backs on it in pursuit of objectives diametrically opposed to peace and security. In the last two meetings and the buildup of forces in Ukraine, they urged diplomacy be given a chance. Our cry was not heated and more importantly, the charter's demand to settle the the dispute by peaceful means in such a manner are not in danger has been profoundly undermined. Today, the threat or use of force has been affected. Kenya is gravely concerned by the announcement made by the Russian Federation to recognize the regions of Ukraine as independent states." He went on to say that Kenya is seriously concerned about the impact Russia could have if they are allowed by the UN to march into and seize other countries. His example was that the African borders were accepted by all of the countries there, despite those borders being forced on them by colonialists. He explained that the African nations made that decision instead of having endless wars. "We rejected expansionism on any basis, including racial, ethnic, or cultural," Kimani said. "We rejected again today. Kenya registers strong concern and opposition to the recognition to the independent states. We further strongly condemned the trend in the last few decades a powerful states, including members of the security council, reaching international law with little regard." youtu.be/soNBEjzWY08www.rawstory.com/united-nations-kenya-smacksdown-russia/ |
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