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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2022 15:22:25 GMT
trump’s response to Mike Pence’s comment…
”Just saw Mike Pence’s statement on the fact that he had no right to do anything with respect to the Electoral Vote Count, other than being an automatic conveyor belt for the Old Crow Mitch McConnell to get Biden elected President as quickly as possible. Well, the Vice President’s position is not an automatic conveyor if obvious signs of voter fraud or irregularities exist. That’s why the Democrats and RINOs are working feverishly together to change the very law that Mike Pence and his unwitting advisors used on January 6 to say he had no choice. The reason they want it changed is because they now say they don’t want the Vice President to have the right to ensure an honest vote. In other words, I was right and everyone knows it. If there is fraud or large scale irregularities, it would have been appropriate to send those votes back to the legislatures to figure it out. The Dems and RINOs want to take that right away. A great opportunity lost, but not forever, in the meantime our Country is going to hell!”
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 5, 2022 15:35:47 GMT
I can't believe in his twisted little mind, he thinks Republicans and Democrats trying to clarify language and prevent his attempted coup from ever happening again means that he was right and Pence had the ability to reject the electoral count.
Also make America great again? He had 4 years to make America great. I really can't wrap my head around why anyone would want 4 more years of him.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2022 15:49:20 GMT
trump’s response to Mike Pence’s comment… ”Just saw Mike Pence’s statement on the fact that he had no right to do anything with respect to the Electoral Vote Count, other than being an automatic conveyor belt for the Old Crow Mitch McConnell to get Biden elected President as quickly as possible. Well, the Vice President’s position is not an automatic conveyor if obvious signs of voter fraud or irregularities exist. That’s why the Democrats and RINOs are working feverishly together to change the very law that Mike Pence and his unwitting advisors used on January 6 to say he had no choice. The reason they want it changed is because they now say they don’t want the Vice President to have the right to ensure an honest vote. In other words, I was right and everyone knows it. If there is fraud or large scale irregularities, it would have been appropriate to send those votes back to the legislatures to figure it out. The Dems and RINOs want to take that right away. A great opportunity lost, but not forever, in the meantime our Country is going to hell!”I guess this is trump’s idea of the country going to hell.
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Post by pinklady on Feb 5, 2022 16:01:09 GMT
Whats-her-name from South Carolina would also like to be President. I just blanked on her name. Haley - she is on my list. How incredibly disturbing.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 5, 2022 16:04:58 GMT
I can't believe RNC has thrown all of their weight behind Trump and is even paying his legal bills while he rakes in money for his campaign. I despise Ronna McDaniel. I wonder if she know she's lying or if she's just delusional. This can't be emphasized enough Still strong is the belief that because it didn’t happen, it can’t happen. Yet Trump continues to reveal himself, his true motives and perhaps what he would do if he were again to become president. No one should be surprised.www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/05/sundaytake-trump-jan6-election/Former president Donald Trump has told some big lies over the years. One of the biggest, it now is clear, came on Jan. 7, 2021, the day after his supporters assaulted the U.S. Capitol. On Jan. 6, as law enforcement officers fought valiantly against an armed mob of rioters attacking the Capitol, Trump remained in the White House, silent in the face of repeated efforts by advisers, family members and allies who pleaded with him to try to call a halt to the violence. The next day, in a videotaped address, he said, finally, that he was “outraged” by the “heinous attack” on the Capitol. “America is and must always be a nation of law and order,” he said. “The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law, you will pay.” He didn’t mean it, as he made clear last weekend. Speaking at a rally in Conroe, Tex., he told his followers, “If I run [for president in 2024] and I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly, and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons, because they are being treated so unfairly.” Trump’s words no long have quite the shock value they once had. His rallies don’t command live coverage on major cable networks. Having been banned from Twitter, his never-ending statements lack the power they once might have had. It can be easy to dismiss his rantings. But it would be foolhardy to ignore what he is saying or thinking. If Trump were a spent force in politics, what he says now would matter less. But he wants to run for president again and has a $122 million political bank account at his disposal to carry him forward. He may have lost some support among some who think of themselves as Republicans, but he still holds a grip on the Republican Party. If the 2024 primaries were held today, it is difficult to imagine him not rolling over any and all challengers. His hold on the GOP was never more obvious than on Friday, when the Republican National Committee voted to censure Reps. Liz Cheney (Wyo.) and Adam Kinzinger (Ill.) for their work on the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack. The censure resolution described the two Republicans as “participating in a Democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse.” The former president continues to claim the election was rife with fraud, despite the lack of evidence. What he is saying now provides a preview of how he might try to use his powers if restored to the Oval Office. The Texas rally was just one event in a week in which the former president gave the country a wide-open look at what has long been assumed: that his false claims of a stolen election were much more than the complaints of a sore loser. His goal all along was to do more than disrupt the process of certifying Joe Biden’s victory. He wanted to find a way to overturn the results of the election. Advertisement The day after his Texas rally, Trump issued a statement from his Save America PAC. He took note of discussions underway in Congress to amend the Electoral Count Act of 1887, the law that governed how then-Vice President Mike Pence handled his responsibilities as presiding officer at the Jan. 6 joint session of Congress that reviewed and ratified the electoral college counts from the states. Trump had repeatedly implored Pence to block certification of Biden’s victory. Pence told Trump he did not have the power to do so, but even at the rally preceding the assault on the Capitol, Trump was still urging Pence to do what Pence had said he could not do. Discussions about amending the act that governed those proceedings has apparently outraged the former president. Here is his statement from last Sunday: “If the Vice President (Mike Pence) had ‘absolutely no right’ to change the Presidential Election results in the Senate, despite fraud and many other irregularities, how come the Democrats and RINO Republicans, like Wacky [Sen.] Susan Collins [R-Maine], are desperately trying to pass legislation that will not allow the Vice President to change the results of the election? Actually, what they are saying, is that Mike Pence did have the right to change the outcome, and they now want to take that right away. Unfortunately, he didn’t exercise that power, he could have overturned the Election!” The last line of the statement is as blatant as Trump has been about his true intentions — to overturn a fair election — but it was written in such a matter-of-fact way that many who read it would give it a ho-hum, there-he-goes-again reaction: “Of course he wanted to overturn the election,” a reader might say. “So what’s new? Time to move on.” That’s exactly the danger that continues to exist, a weariness with all of it, a desire to put those difficult moments from early 2021 in the rearview mirror. Pence, however, was not ready to ignore Trump’s wild claim. Speaking Friday at a gathering of the Federalist Society in Florida, Pence rebuked the former president as he called Jan. 6 “a dark day” in the history of the Capitol. “This week, our former president said I had the right to ‘overturn the election,’ ” Pence said. “President Trump is wrong. I had no right to overturn the election.” Former vice president Mike Pence said Feb. 4 that he had no constitutional right to overturn the results of the 2020 election. (CNN) Friday was a day on which future battle lines were being drawn inside the Republican Party, with a handful of elected officials, including Sen. Mitt Romney (Utah), standing up for Cheney and Kinzinger while so many others, symbolized by the RNC, following alongTrump’s dangerous path. Other revelations during the past week provided additional reminders of just how serious Trump, his advisers and especially some of the conspiracy theorists trying to influence him were about trying to delay, disrupt and possibly overturn the election through the extraordinary use of government power. Reminders too of the stakes ahead. The New York Times reported that weeks after the election, Trump asked his personal lawyer and adviser Rudolph W. Giuliani to check with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to see whether the government could legally take possession of voting machines in some key states. Giuliani was told DHS lacked such authority. Trump reportedly had raised the issue of seizing voting machines with then-Attorney General William P. Barr, who according to the Times, also told Trump the Justice Department had no such authority — and that there was no evidence of a crime in the conduct of the election. The Washington Post reported on efforts by Trump’s outside allies, who prepared a memo calling on Trump to use the powers of the National Security Agency and the Defense Department to go through raw intelligence with the hope of showing that foreign powers had tampered with election results. “Proof of foreign interference would ‘support next steps to defend the Constitution in a manner superior to current civilian-only judicial remedies,’ ” the memo stated, according to The Post’s reporting. The words “in a manner superior” to the courts is a chilling suggestion of the use of extrajudicial powers. The House committee investigating the events surrounding what happened on Jan. 6 continues to gather evidence, including documents from the Trump White House, and will hold public hearings later this year and issue a report after that. Expect more revelations in the months ahead. Still strong is the belief that because it didn’t happen, it can’t happen. Yet Trump continues to reveal himself, his true motives and perhaps what he would do if he were again to become president. No one should be surprised.
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Post by Merge on Feb 5, 2022 16:12:01 GMT
Good to know that "legitimate political discourse" could involve me and my friends hanging Mitch McConnell in effigy on the capitol lawn, followed by us breaking a window to get in and doing the happy dance down to Ted Cruz's office to smear feces on the walls. I think I'll plan all that for the next time I'm in DC. It was legitimate political discourse until they stormed the barriers, assaulted police officers, and broke into a restricted area to deface taxpayer-funded property in an attempt to terrorize elected representatives and overthrow the results of a fair and free election. And even if they only did one of those things, it was still a crime. But Trump can't admit that, because if he does, then he's guilty of inciting crime. He'd prefer to have just incited "legitimate political discourse."
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 5, 2022 16:12:06 GMT
I wonder if Kinzinger has presidential ambitions? He's fairly young so maybe not 2024. He wouldn't be the worst candidate. The only acceptable ones are a pretty short list - Cheney, Kinzinger and the VT governor.
Here's my hell no list DeSantis Abbott Kristi Noem Nikki Haley Pence Cruz Hawley Sununnu (NH governor)
These seem unlikely but I would seriously consider moving if any one of these despicable politicians became president Mitch McConnell (I don't think he has presidential aspirations but who knows?) Ron Johnson Ronnie Jackson Matt Gaetz MTG Paul Gosar Lauren Boebert Madison Cawthorne
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 5, 2022 16:23:02 GMT
Here's why the Republicans' lack of courage and refusal to contradict Trump's big lie is dangerous. In addition to a majority of Republicans who think Biden's win was illegitimate, a significant percent - 62% think Pence should have overturned the election. I guess the fact that he didn't have that authority is irrelevant. Or they believe Trump when he falsely claims Pence could have rejected the electoral counts. www.umass.edu/news/article/one-year-later-new-umass-amherst-poll-finds-continued-national-political-division-overSixty-two percent of Republicans – and 37% of the poll’s respondents overall – said that former Vice President Mike Pence should have used his role in certifying the electoral vote to challenge Biden’s victory as the protestors chanted for his execution that day.this seems contradictory though. 62 % think Pence should have overturned the results but only 23% think the power should rest with the VP and Congress. Maybe they only want the VP to have that power? Or maybe they think Pence should have overturned the election but they don't want Democrats to have that power? The one question in which the poll found nearly identical bipartisan response pertained to whether Congress and the vice president should hold the power to certify – and possibly nullify – presidential elections. Forty-four percent of Democrats and 43% of Republicans responded that the power should not rest with the vice president and Congress, while 23% of Republicans and 21% of Democrats said that it should.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 5, 2022 17:15:45 GMT
I can't believe RNC has thrown all of their weight behind Trump and is even paying his legal bills while he rakes in money for his campaign. I despise Ronna McDaniel. I wonder if she know she's lying or if she's just delusional. This can't be emphasized enough Still strong is the belief that because it didn’t happen, it can’t happen. Yet Trump continues to reveal himself, his true motives and perhaps what he would do if he were again to become president. No one should be surprised.www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/05/sundaytake-trump-jan6-election/Former president Donald Trump has told some big lies over the years. One of the biggest, it now is clear, came on Jan. 7, 2021, the day after his supporters assaulted the U.S. Capitol. On Jan. 6, as law enforcement officers fought valiantly against an armed mob of rioters attacking the Capitol, Trump remained in the White House, silent in the face of repeated efforts by advisers, family members and allies who pleaded with him to try to call a halt to the violence. The next day, in a videotaped address, he said, finally, that he was “outraged” by the “heinous attack” on the Capitol. “America is and must always be a nation of law and order,” he said. “The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law, you will pay.” He didn’t mean it, as he made clear last weekend. Speaking at a rally in Conroe, Tex., he told his followers, “If I run [for president in 2024] and I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly, and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons, because they are being treated so unfairly.” Trump’s words no long have quite the shock value they once had. His rallies don’t command live coverage on major cable networks. Having been banned from Twitter, his never-ending statements lack the power they once might have had. It can be easy to dismiss his rantings. But it would be foolhardy to ignore what he is saying or thinking. If Trump were a spent force in politics, what he says now would matter less. But he wants to run for president again and has a $122 million political bank account at his disposal to carry him forward. He may have lost some support among some who think of themselves as Republicans, but he still holds a grip on the Republican Party. If the 2024 primaries were held today, it is difficult to imagine him not rolling over any and all challengers. His hold on the GOP was never more obvious than on Friday, when the Republican National Committee voted to censure Reps. Liz Cheney (Wyo.) and Adam Kinzinger (Ill.) for their work on the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack. The censure resolution described the two Republicans as “participating in a Democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse.” The former president continues to claim the election was rife with fraud, despite the lack of evidence. What he is saying now provides a preview of how he might try to use his powers if restored to the Oval Office. The Texas rally was just one event in a week in which the former president gave the country a wide-open look at what has long been assumed: that his false claims of a stolen election were much more than the complaints of a sore loser. His goal all along was to do more than disrupt the process of certifying Joe Biden’s victory. He wanted to find a way to overturn the results of the election. Advertisement The day after his Texas rally, Trump issued a statement from his Save America PAC. He took note of discussions underway in Congress to amend the Electoral Count Act of 1887, the law that governed how then-Vice President Mike Pence handled his responsibilities as presiding officer at the Jan. 6 joint session of Congress that reviewed and ratified the electoral college counts from the states. Trump had repeatedly implored Pence to block certification of Biden’s victory. Pence told Trump he did not have the power to do so, but even at the rally preceding the assault on the Capitol, Trump was still urging Pence to do what Pence had said he could not do. Discussions about amending the act that governed those proceedings has apparently outraged the former president. Here is his statement from last Sunday: “If the Vice President (Mike Pence) had ‘absolutely no right’ to change the Presidential Election results in the Senate, despite fraud and many other irregularities, how come the Democrats and RINO Republicans, like Wacky [Sen.] Susan Collins [R-Maine], are desperately trying to pass legislation that will not allow the Vice President to change the results of the election? Actually, what they are saying, is that Mike Pence did have the right to change the outcome, and they now want to take that right away. Unfortunately, he didn’t exercise that power, he could have overturned the Election!” The last line of the statement is as blatant as Trump has been about his true intentions — to overturn a fair election — but it was written in such a matter-of-fact way that many who read it would give it a ho-hum, there-he-goes-again reaction: “Of course he wanted to overturn the election,” a reader might say. “So what’s new? Time to move on.” That’s exactly the danger that continues to exist, a weariness with all of it, a desire to put those difficult moments from early 2021 in the rearview mirror. Pence, however, was not ready to ignore Trump’s wild claim. Speaking Friday at a gathering of the Federalist Society in Florida, Pence rebuked the former president as he called Jan. 6 “a dark day” in the history of the Capitol. “This week, our former president said I had the right to ‘overturn the election,’ ” Pence said. “President Trump is wrong. I had no right to overturn the election.” Former vice president Mike Pence said Feb. 4 that he had no constitutional right to overturn the results of the 2020 election. (CNN) Friday was a day on which future battle lines were being drawn inside the Republican Party, with a handful of elected officials, including Sen. Mitt Romney (Utah), standing up for Cheney and Kinzinger while so many others, symbolized by the RNC, following alongTrump’s dangerous path. Other revelations during the past week provided additional reminders of just how serious Trump, his advisers and especially some of the conspiracy theorists trying to influence him were about trying to delay, disrupt and possibly overturn the election through the extraordinary use of government power. Reminders too of the stakes ahead. The New York Times reported that weeks after the election, Trump asked his personal lawyer and adviser Rudolph W. Giuliani to check with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to see whether the government could legally take possession of voting machines in some key states. Giuliani was told DHS lacked such authority. Trump reportedly had raised the issue of seizing voting machines with then-Attorney General William P. Barr, who according to the Times, also told Trump the Justice Department had no such authority — and that there was no evidence of a crime in the conduct of the election. The Washington Post reported on efforts by Trump’s outside allies, who prepared a memo calling on Trump to use the powers of the National Security Agency and the Defense Department to go through raw intelligence with the hope of showing that foreign powers had tampered with election results. “Proof of foreign interference would ‘support next steps to defend the Constitution in a manner superior to current civilian-only judicial remedies,’ ” the memo stated, according to The Post’s reporting. The words “in a manner superior” to the courts is a chilling suggestion of the use of extrajudicial powers. The House committee investigating the events surrounding what happened on Jan. 6 continues to gather evidence, including documents from the Trump White House, and will hold public hearings later this year and issue a report after that. Expect more revelations in the months ahead. Still strong is the belief that because it didn’t happen, it can’t happen. Yet Trump continues to reveal himself, his true motives and perhaps what he would do if he were again to become president. No one should be surprised.
Excellent opinion piece. If you read this and understand it, then your hair should be on fire. Trump is making it clear that he intends to run again, and if he loses, then he plans to steal the election. Even if you liked Trump’s policies, you must surely recognize that stealing an election, particularly a Presidential election, would basically amount to the end of the republic as we know it. There is no other way to say it. Trump is a clear and present danger to this country.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2022 18:46:36 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2022 19:54:25 GMT
Ronna McDaniel has come under some criticism about her remarks yesterday.
And Josh Dawsey got a hold of the RNC talking points McDaniel sent members to defend the censure of Cheney & Kinzinger. It’s a copy so they are almost impossible to read. But I did get these nuggets…
* Disagreement within our party is welcome and part of what makes our party great. Working with Nancy Pelosi on a committee that does not have minority party representative is not ok.
* Nancy Pelosi and Liz Cheney’s January 6 Commission is trying to distract Americans from Joe Biden’s clear record of failure.
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The RNC has one mission: Elect Republicans up & down the ballot and retaking the House & Senate in November.
Under Joe Biden Americans are facing.
* Skyrocketing Prices (Me: how specifically has Biden’s policies led to skyrocketing prices?)
* Chaos at the Southern Border. (Me: what do you suggest be done?)
* Rising Crime (Me: what specific Biden policies are responsible for the increase in crime that started before he took office?)
I’m sure there were more but I couldn’t read them.
Of course the 4 conservatives on this board who have declared “ Biden has fucked things up” refuse to offer specifics on how President Biden has accomplished this feat of “fucking things up”. Just like the McDaniel would if I could directly ask these question and patiently wait for a response.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2022 20:44:24 GMT
He certainly gets confused a lot doesn’t he. I mean we all know he’s really talking about Republicans even though he’s implying it’s Democrats.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 5, 2022 21:42:37 GMT
The person has been identified.. Nichols, splendid visitor to the Capitol Jan 6th... LANGUAGE WARNING! I included the text. The video has loud very bad language.. Cut their head off!': Mike Pence threatened with beheading in newly released Capitol riot videoTom Boggioni February 05, 2022 I'm hearing that Pence just caved. Is that true?" he asked. "I'm telling you, if Pence caved we're going to drag motherf*ckers through the streets. You f*cking politicians are going to get drug through the streets because we're not going to have our f*cking sh*t stolen." If we find out you politicians voted for it we're going to drag your f*cking asses through the street," he continued before turning back to Pence. "Let me find out Pence -- let me find out you treasoned (sic) the country. I'll f*cking drag your ass too" he shouted. "Cut their head off! You do the right thing or we're going to force you to do the right thing." (At about 6:20 he starts. The content before is also interesting too ) youtu.be/gtahHL-MaaMwww.rawstory.com/capitol-riot-2656568667/
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 5, 2022 22:56:40 GMT
Haley - she is on my list. How incredibly disturbing. Just to be clear, I was referencing a list I posted upthread of GOP potential candidates that wouldn't hesitate to destroy Pence in the primaries. Not a list of anyone I like in any possible way.
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Post by AussieMeg on Feb 6, 2022 1:45:56 GMT
The Republican National Committee’s overwhelming voice vote to censure Representatives Liz Cheney of Wyoming and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois at its winter meeting in Salt Lake City ....... On Friday, the party went further in a resolution slamming Ms. Cheney and Mr. Kinzinger for taking part in the House investigation of the assault, saying they were participating in “persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse.” How long before Cheney and Kinzinger break away from this shit-show of a political party? How incredibly disturbing. Just to be clear, I was referencing a list I posted upthread of GOP potential candidates that wouldn't hesitate to destroy Pence in the primaries. Not a list of anyone I like in any possible way. I was just about to post this on your behalf....... I couldn't bear to think that anyone thought she might be on your "yes I'd vote for her list!
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 6, 2022 1:51:46 GMT
I can't believe RNC has thrown all of their weight behind Trump and is even paying his legal bills while he rakes in money for his campaign. I despise Ronna McDaniel. I wonder if she know she's lying or if she's just delusional. This can't be emphasized enough Still strong is the belief that because it didn’t happen, it can’t happen. Yet Trump continues to reveal himself, his true motives and perhaps what he would do if he were again to become president. No one should be surprised.www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/05/sundaytake-trump-jan6-election/Former president Donald Trump has told some big lies over the years. One of the biggest, it now is clear, came on Jan. 7, 2021, the day after his supporters assaulted the U.S. Capitol. On Jan. 6, as law enforcement officers fought valiantly against an armed mob of rioters attacking the Capitol, Trump remained in the White House, silent in the face of repeated efforts by advisers, family members and allies who pleaded with him to try to call a halt to the violence. The next day, in a videotaped address, he said, finally, that he was “outraged” by the “heinous attack” on the Capitol. “America is and must always be a nation of law and order,” he said. “The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law, you will pay.” He didn’t mean it, as he made clear last weekend. Speaking at a rally in Conroe, Tex., he told his followers, “If I run [for president in 2024] and I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly, and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons, because they are being treated so unfairly.” Trump’s words no long have quite the shock value they once had. His rallies don’t command live coverage on major cable networks. Having been banned from Twitter, his never-ending statements lack the power they once might have had. It can be easy to dismiss his rantings. But it would be foolhardy to ignore what he is saying or thinking. If Trump were a spent force in politics, what he says now would matter less. But he wants to run for president again and has a $122 million political bank account at his disposal to carry him forward. He may have lost some support among some who think of themselves as Republicans, but he still holds a grip on the Republican Party. If the 2024 primaries were held today, it is difficult to imagine him not rolling over any and all challengers. His hold on the GOP was never more obvious than on Friday, when the Republican National Committee voted to censure Reps. Liz Cheney (Wyo.) and Adam Kinzinger (Ill.) for their work on the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack. The censure resolution described the two Republicans as “participating in a Democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse.” The former president continues to claim the election was rife with fraud, despite the lack of evidence. What he is saying now provides a preview of how he might try to use his powers if restored to the Oval Office. The Texas rally was just one event in a week in which the former president gave the country a wide-open look at what has long been assumed: that his false claims of a stolen election were much more than the complaints of a sore loser. His goal all along was to do more than disrupt the process of certifying Joe Biden’s victory. He wanted to find a way to overturn the results of the election. Advertisement The day after his Texas rally, Trump issued a statement from his Save America PAC. He took note of discussions underway in Congress to amend the Electoral Count Act of 1887, the law that governed how then-Vice President Mike Pence handled his responsibilities as presiding officer at the Jan. 6 joint session of Congress that reviewed and ratified the electoral college counts from the states. Trump had repeatedly implored Pence to block certification of Biden’s victory. Pence told Trump he did not have the power to do so, but even at the rally preceding the assault on the Capitol, Trump was still urging Pence to do what Pence had said he could not do. Discussions about amending the act that governed those proceedings has apparently outraged the former president. Here is his statement from last Sunday: “If the Vice President (Mike Pence) had ‘absolutely no right’ to change the Presidential Election results in the Senate, despite fraud and many other irregularities, how come the Democrats and RINO Republicans, like Wacky [Sen.] Susan Collins [R-Maine], are desperately trying to pass legislation that will not allow the Vice President to change the results of the election? Actually, what they are saying, is that Mike Pence did have the right to change the outcome, and they now want to take that right away. Unfortunately, he didn’t exercise that power, he could have overturned the Election!” The last line of the statement is as blatant as Trump has been about his true intentions — to overturn a fair election — but it was written in such a matter-of-fact way that many who read it would give it a ho-hum, there-he-goes-again reaction: “Of course he wanted to overturn the election,” a reader might say. “So what’s new? Time to move on.” That’s exactly the danger that continues to exist, a weariness with all of it, a desire to put those difficult moments from early 2021 in the rearview mirror. Pence, however, was not ready to ignore Trump’s wild claim. Speaking Friday at a gathering of the Federalist Society in Florida, Pence rebuked the former president as he called Jan. 6 “a dark day” in the history of the Capitol. “This week, our former president said I had the right to ‘overturn the election,’ ” Pence said. “President Trump is wrong. I had no right to overturn the election.” Former vice president Mike Pence said Feb. 4 that he had no constitutional right to overturn the results of the 2020 election. (CNN) Friday was a day on which future battle lines were being drawn inside the Republican Party, with a handful of elected officials, including Sen. Mitt Romney (Utah), standing up for Cheney and Kinzinger while so many others, symbolized by the RNC, following alongTrump’s dangerous path. Other revelations during the past week provided additional reminders of just how serious Trump, his advisers and especially some of the conspiracy theorists trying to influence him were about trying to delay, disrupt and possibly overturn the election through the extraordinary use of government power. Reminders too of the stakes ahead. The New York Times reported that weeks after the election, Trump asked his personal lawyer and adviser Rudolph W. Giuliani to check with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to see whether the government could legally take possession of voting machines in some key states. Giuliani was told DHS lacked such authority. Trump reportedly had raised the issue of seizing voting machines with then-Attorney General William P. Barr, who according to the Times, also told Trump the Justice Department had no such authority — and that there was no evidence of a crime in the conduct of the election. The Washington Post reported on efforts by Trump’s outside allies, who prepared a memo calling on Trump to use the powers of the National Security Agency and the Defense Department to go through raw intelligence with the hope of showing that foreign powers had tampered with election results. “Proof of foreign interference would ‘support next steps to defend the Constitution in a manner superior to current civilian-only judicial remedies,’ ” the memo stated, according to The Post’s reporting. The words “in a manner superior” to the courts is a chilling suggestion of the use of extrajudicial powers. The House committee investigating the events surrounding what happened on Jan. 6 continues to gather evidence, including documents from the Trump White House, and will hold public hearings later this year and issue a report after that. Expect more revelations in the months ahead. Still strong is the belief that because it didn’t happen, it can’t happen. Yet Trump continues to reveal himself, his true motives and perhaps what he would do if he were again to become president. No one should be surprised.
Ronna McDaniel? She knows, she’s just sold what soul she had left, for 30 pieces of silver.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 6, 2022 17:03:05 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 7, 2022 1:14:30 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 8, 2022 15:41:58 GMT
I love how they spin this..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2022 18:31:27 GMT
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