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Post by Merge on Feb 9, 2022 22:47:38 GMT
Charges being filed in Dallas today remind us that a fair amount of the violence in the BLM demonstrations in the US was committed or incited not by protestors, but by the police.
That’s not just my thought, either.
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Post by cakediva on Feb 9, 2022 22:55:15 GMT
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Post by sideways on Feb 9, 2022 23:38:36 GMT
GM and Ford canceling shifts because of the Ambassador Bridge backup.
Those fuckers need to be arrested and their vehicles towed off the bridge.
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 10, 2022 0:27:48 GMT
Charges being filed in Dallas today remind us that a fair amount of the violence in the BLM demonstrations in the US was committed or incited not by protestors, but by the police. That’s not just my thought, either. The police didn't shoot David Dorn for defending his friend's pawn shop. The police didn't didn't burn another pawn shop down with Oscar Stewart a father of 5, inside. The police didn't burn a federal courthouse and run a police station out of a community that needed it. The police didn't attack the police and cause hundreds of injuries. The police didn't loot, trash, burn and destroy all the businesses, many of them black owned. The police didn't cause billions in damages across the country. You're one that EXCUSED, deflected and dismissed the violence, death and destruction of 2020 when you agreed with the protest, who is now demanding outrage from conservatives over a protest you disagree with. Stop defending the violence and your breath taking hypocrisy.
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Post by Merge on Feb 10, 2022 0:42:29 GMT
Charges being filed in Dallas today remind us that a fair amount of the violence in the BLM demonstrations in the US was committed or incited not by protestors, but by the police. That’s not just my thought, either. The police didn't shoot David Dorn for defending his friend's pawn shop. The police didn't didn't burn another pawn shop down with Oscar Stewart a father of 5, inside. The police didn't burn a federal courthouse and run a police station out of a community that needed it. The police didn't attack the police and cause hundreds of injuries. The police didn't loot, trash, burn and destroy all the businesses, many of them black owned. The police didn't cause billions in damages across the country. You're one that EXCUSED, deflected and dismissed the violence, death and destruction of 2020 when you agreed with the protest, who is now demanding outrage from conservatives over a protest you disagree with. Stop defending the violence and your breath taking hypocrisy. Gia, you have no business schooling anyone on hypocrisy. As I stated above, I do see a moral difference between the protests. BLM protests were against continuing disproportionate police violence against black people - a complaint that had gone largely unheard until the last few years, and which, sadly, required some extreme measures to bring people’s attention to the matter. Decades of quiet, peaceful protest had failed to bring about change, and have even often been mocked and scorned by people on the right committed to keeping the status quo. And yes, in many cases the police escalated or committed the violence themselves. I did not say in all cases. The Ottawa thing is a bunch of babies who think their rights are being trampled by a paper mask or who have been convinced by YouTube that the vaccine may be dangerous. Their rage is fueled by nothing more than the typical conservative grievance narrative and a hefty dose of delusion. Just like the people who stormed the Capitol and tried to overthrow a fair and free election in this country. False victimhood and delusion. Trying to draw any kind of equivalency between these two actions shows just how divorced from reality you are.
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Post by cindosha on Feb 10, 2022 0:42:50 GMT
GM and Ford canceling shifts because of the Ambassador Bridge backup. Those fuckers need to be arrested and their vehicles towed off the bridge. 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by sideways on Feb 10, 2022 0:59:35 GMT
GM and Ford canceling shifts because of the Ambassador Bridge backup. Those fuckers need to be arrested and their vehicles towed off the bridge. 😂😂😂😂😂 OF COURSE the village idiot thinks it’s funny that Canadian and American workers can’t work.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 10, 2022 1:12:12 GMT
Charges being filed in Dallas today remind us that a fair amount of the violence in the BLM demonstrations in the US was committed or incited not by protestors, but by the police. That’s not just my thought, either. The police didn't shoot David Dorn for defending his friend's pawn shop. The police didn't didn't burn another pawn shop down with Oscar Stewart a father of 5, inside. The police didn't burn a federal courthouse and run a police station out of a community that needed it. The police didn't attack the police and cause hundreds of injuries. The police didn't loot, trash, burn and destroy all the businesses, many of them black owned. The police didn't cause billions in damages across the country. You're one that EXCUSED, deflected and dismissed the violence, death and destruction of 2020 when you agreed with the protest, who is now demanding outrage from conservatives over a protest you disagree with. Stop defending the violence and your breath taking hypocrisy. Correct me if I’m wrong-and I know that you will- but I was under the impression that you disliked whataboutism. Is what you wrote not whataboutism? This thread, after all, is about Canadian trucker protests.
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Post by cindosha on Feb 10, 2022 2:45:54 GMT
OF COURSE the village idiot thinks it’s funny that Canadian and American workers can’t work. Actually, what I think is funny is your responses to my posts. We are all getting a big kick out of that over here. 🤣
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Post by librarylady on Feb 10, 2022 3:14:34 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 10, 2022 3:24:57 GMT
The police didn't shoot David Dorn for defending his friend's pawn shop. The police didn't didn't burn another pawn shop down with Oscar Stewart a father of 5, inside. The police didn't burn a federal courthouse and run a police station out of a community that needed it. The police didn't attack the police and cause hundreds of injuries. The police didn't loot, trash, burn and destroy all the businesses, many of them black owned. The police didn't cause billions in damages across the country. You're one that EXCUSED, deflected and dismissed the violence, death and destruction of 2020 when you agreed with the protest, who is now demanding outrage from conservatives over a protest you disagree with. Stop defending the violence and your breath taking hypocrisy. Gia, pixiechick, you have no business schooling anyone on hypocrisy. As I stated above, I do see a moral difference between the protests. BLM protests were against continuing disproportionate police violence against black people - a complaint that had gone largely unheard until the last few years, and which, sadly, required some extreme measures to bring people’s attention to the matter. Decades of quiet, peaceful protest had failed to bring about change, and have even often been mocked and scorned by people on the right committed to keeping the status quo. And yes, in many cases the police escalated or committed the violence themselves. I did not say in all cases. The Ottawa thing is a bunch of babies who think their rights are being trampled by a paper mask or who have been convinced by YouTube that the vaccine may be dangerous. Their rage is fueled by nothing more than the typical conservative grievance narrative and a hefty dose of delusion. Just like the people who stormed the Capitol and tried to overthrow a fair and free election in this country. False victimhood and delusion. Trying to draw any kind of equivalency between these two actions shows just how divorced from reality you are. I'm not schooling anyone. Just pointing out the facts. If they happen to show your astounding hypocrisy you should have thought of that before you displayed it. I do see a moral difference between the protests. I don't believe that for a second. Everything you say discredits your own statement. If you truly and honestly saw a moral difference you wouldn't need to reduce FORCING a population to submit to injections whether they need them or not, to "being babies about a paper mask". You know damn good and well that if Trump had enacted vaccine mandates the Left would've lost their ever-loving minds. Decades of quiet, peaceful protest had failed to bring about change, and have even often been mocked and scorned by people on the right committed to keeping the status quo. The hell they did. We have seen so much change for the better in this country. For decades. What decade are you living in? We have come so far from decades ago. Don't conflate this with me saying there's no more racism, which we both know is nothing more than a dismissal of facts you don't like. And stop conflating racists with all people on the Right. It does a disservice to whatever your message is. The Ottawa thing is a bunch of babies who think their rights are being trampled by a paper mask or who have been convinced by YouTube that the vaccine may be dangerous. Their rage is fueled by nothing more than the typical conservative grievance narrative and a hefty dose of delusion. The way you stated that is nothing more than an amoral, completely dishonest justification for saying you can only protest what WE agree with. All while claiming in 2020 that the people who objected to the violence, murder and destruction going on then, just didn't want people to protest for black lives. Yes, that was a common dismissal and it's bullshit. Trying to draw any kind of equivalency between these two actions shows just how divorced from reality you are. YOU trying to remove NOW, the equivalency between these two protests THAT YOU YOURSELF BROUGHT TO THIS VERY THREAD, is nothing more than your really bad - really, really bad (a true fail) attempt to dismiss the hypocrisy YOU personally displayed, shows how utterly and completely dishonest you are.
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 10, 2022 3:32:44 GMT
The police didn't shoot David Dorn for defending his friend's pawn shop. The police didn't didn't burn another pawn shop down with Oscar Stewart a father of 5, inside. The police didn't burn a federal courthouse and run a police station out of a community that needed it. The police didn't attack the police and cause hundreds of injuries. The police didn't loot, trash, burn and destroy all the businesses, many of them black owned. The police didn't cause billions in damages across the country. You're one that EXCUSED, deflected and dismissed the violence, death and destruction of 2020 when you agreed with the protest, who is now demanding outrage from conservatives over a protest you disagree with. Stop defending the violence and your breath taking hypocrisy. Correct me if I’m wrong-and I know that you will- but I was under the impression that you disliked whataboutism. Is what you wrote not whataboutism? This thread, after all, is about Canadian trucker protests. It might be if I was the one that brought the subject of the 2020 riots to this thread. That would be Merge. Page 2, post 13.What I said before about it is that it's been the Left here for years, dismissing any and all comparisons coming from the Right as "whataboutism". So with the current proliferation of "whataboutism coming from the Left, you can see now that, it seems to be okay if the Left does it. They just don't allow it from the Right. No hypocrisy there.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 10, 2022 3:38:18 GMT
Correct me if I’m wrong-and I know that you will- but I was under the impression that you disliked whataboutism. Is what you wrote not whataboutism? This thread, after all, is about Canadian trucker protests. It might be if I was the one that brought the subject of the 2020 riots to this thread. That would be Merge. Page 2, post 13. What I said before about it is that it's been the Left here for years, dismissing any and all comparisons coming from the Right as "whataboutism". So with the current proliferation of "whataboutism coming from the Left, you can see now that, it seems to be okay if the Left does it. They just don't allow it from the Right. No hypocrisy there. I might be misremembering, but I thought that you went on a tear about whataboutism not long ago. But maybe that was someone else. 🤔
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 10, 2022 3:52:33 GMT
It might be if I was the one that brought the subject of the 2020 riots to this thread. That would be Merge. Page 2, post 13. What I said before about it is that it's been the Left here for years, dismissing any and all comparisons coming from the Right as "whataboutism". So with the current proliferation of "whataboutism coming from the Left, you can see now that, it seems to be okay if the Left does it. They just don't allow it from the Right. No hypocrisy there. I might be misremembering, but I thought that you went on a tear about whataboutism not long ago. But maybe that was someone else. 🤔 I don't think what I said was "going on a tear", but let me clarify... What does going on a tear mean to you?
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 10, 2022 4:02:06 GMT
I might be misremembering, but I thought that you went on a tear about whataboutism not long ago. But maybe that was someone else. 🤔 I don't think what I said was "going on a tear", but let me clarify... What does going on a tear mean to you? To me it means a burst of activity, a spree if you like.
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 10, 2022 4:20:16 GMT
I don't think what I said was "going on a tear", but let me clarify... What does going on a tear mean to you? To me it means a burst of activity, a spree if you like. Nah, I wouldn't say that about my mentions of it. Looking at my post history, I've never said the word until it was brought up by someone else. Then just like right now, all of my mentions have been in response to someone else bringing up the word as you did here.
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Post by sideways on Feb 10, 2022 4:48:54 GMT
OF COURSE the village idiot thinks it’s funny that Canadian and American workers can’t work. Actually, what I think is funny is your responses to my posts. We are all getting a big kick out of that over here. 🤣 I’ll make sure to write my responses to you at a second grade level so you can all understand.
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Post by claudia123 on Feb 10, 2022 8:43:18 GMT
I think it's odd how quick many democrats are to come down against a largely working class driven protest movement tbh. These truckers were putting themselves at risk throughout the pandemic to deliver goods to people who were able to stay home and protect themselves and now those same people are happy to call them selfish idiots.
I personally think vaccine mandates are not only wrong but also counterproductive in the long term, even though I am 100% pro vaccine so I support the protests in that sense. I think the people against the protests are naive in many ways as giving the goverment powers to mandate medical treatments could end very badly if someone more nefarious than Biden (or even Trump) becomes president any time soon.
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Post by compeateropeator on Feb 10, 2022 9:28:55 GMT
I think it's odd how quick many democrats are to come down against a largely working class driven protest movement tbh. These truckers were putting themselves at risk throughout the pandemic to deliver goods to people who were able to stay home and protect themselves and now those same people are happy to call them selfish idiots. I personally think vaccine mandates are not only wrong but also counterproductive in the long term, even though I am 100% pro vaccine so I support the protests in that sense. I think the people against the protests are naive in many ways as giving the goverment powers to mandate medical treatments could end very badly if someone more nefarious than Biden (or even Trump) becomes president any time soon. Well as a working class independent in healthcare, I truly do respect all those who had to continue to do their job through the pandemic and appreciate it…just as I did. I still can think they are selfish ( for many reasons) although I do not believe I ever call any of them idiots. I also believe that having a vaccine mandate to cross borders is not unusual or odd. There are vaccines that you must get when traveling to many places. There were vaccinations that I had to get before starting my job with my current employer over 20 years ago. If you want to cross the border and deliver your load you need to get vaccinated. If you don’t want to, find another job or take another route. I also do not believe that such a mandate will lead to anything more nefarious. It just seems that many people protesting this have very strong opinions on open borders and such…so you would think they would be more receptive to anything that made crossing any border more difficult (sorry I couldn’t resist) 🤔 😉😄 All the above is my opinion only.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 10, 2022 10:23:11 GMT
To me it means a burst of activity, a spree if you like. Nah, I wouldn't say that about my mentions of it. Looking at my post history, I've never said the word until it was brought up by someone else. Then just like right now, all of my mentions have been in response to someone else bringing up the word as you did here. You have a point. It was a brief discussion, and you were responding to someone else. You did not appear to be a fan. Apologies for my lack of quoting skills. Jun 25, 2014 at 4:22pm huskergal said: For the peas who don't like the "Whataboutism", it is a forever fact of life. Obama got brought up constantly during the Trump presidency. It is what it is. You: It was NEVER acceptable when it came from conservatives. It was labeled as deflection, trolling, crazy, derailing the thread and all around demonized as nothing but a tactic. Interesting how it's now acceptable when it suits your deflection and tactics. And here: Jan 28, 2022 at 9:54am pixiechick said: I wasn't here then. If you all don't like it when conservatives did it and "you" tried to put a stop to it then, why is it suddenly acceptable now? Huskergal: I never said it was acceptable. I said it is what it is. It isn't going to change. As long as people are going to call out the sitting President for a behavior that the previous President did, and they didn't call out the previous President, whataboutism isn't going to change. Crap, Hillary got brought up by Trumpers and she wasn't even the President. You: You don't have to say it. When it was always called out with major piles-ons whenever a conservative did it and most aren't calling it out now, it IS acceptance. As has been stated just recently, silence is acceptance. So, hardly a tear. I misspoke. Certainly disapproval comes through. I will concede that whataboutisms have become part of the political discourse.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 10, 2022 10:36:06 GMT
I think it's odd how quick many democrats are to come down against a largely working class driven protest movement tbh. These truckers were putting themselves at risk throughout the pandemic to deliver goods to people who were able to stay home and protect themselves and now those same people are happy to call them selfish idiots. I personally think vaccine mandates are not only wrong but also counterproductive in the long term, even though I am 100% pro vaccine so I support the protests in that sense. I think the people against the protests are naive in many ways as giving the goverment powers to mandate medical treatments could end very badly if someone more nefarious than Biden (or even Trump) becomes president any time soon. Interesting. I wonder what the auto workers who are on the verge of a layoff have to say about the protest. This is the protest at one of the border crossings, but it’s applicable. From today’s WaPo: “Rob Wildeboer may have to decide as soon as Thursday whether the Canadian trucker protest that is blocking a key bridge between the United States and Canada will require him to furlough some of his several thousand factory workers.
Wildeboer, 62, the chairman of Martinrea International, which produces components for every global automaker, said Wednesday that the protests are within hours of halting some of his production lines. The company’s engine blocks, transmissions, subframes and brake lines can be found in GM Sierra pickup trucks, Ford Escapes and Jeep Grand Cherokees.
Each day, Wildeboer’s trucks make 38 trips across the Ambassador Bridge between Windsor, Ontario, and Detroit, shuttling half-finished products between company plants in both countries. The shipments are just part of $300 million in daily commerce that transits the aging steel span and is imperiled by the traffic-snarling protest of Canada’s coronavirus restrictions and vaccine mandates.
For the auto industry, the borders between the United States, Canada and Mexico were effectively erased nearly 30 years ago by a North American trade deal. The industry has developed since then into a tightly choreographed industrial ballet that relies on parts arriving at a factory just in time to be used.
“We make a part Monday morning, it’s probably on a vehicle by Wednesday,” Wildeboer said.” The fact of the matter is that this protest will affect other working class people. In Ottawa, it is affecting businesses and nearby residents.
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Post by stittsygirl on Feb 10, 2022 10:36:41 GMT
I think it's odd how quick many democrats are to come down against a largely working class driven protest movement tbh. These truckers were putting themselves at risk throughout the pandemic to deliver goods to people who were able to stay home and protect themselves and now those same people are happy to call them selfish idiots. I personally think vaccine mandates are not only wrong but also counterproductive in the long term, even though I am 100% pro vaccine so I support the protests in that sense. I think the people against the protests are naive in many ways as giving the goverment powers to mandate medical treatments could end very badly if someone more nefarious than Biden (or even Trump) becomes president any time soon. Fuck that. I’m a working class healthcare employee (who votes democrat) who sees first hand what is going on in hospitals on a regular basis. I’ve never been able to “stay home”. It’s still the largely unvaccinated who are affecting nearly every other area of healthcare right now, including my own coworkers who received religious exemptions from the vaccine and are now out with COVID. Sorry if I’m not feeling any kind of sympathy for these truckers 🙄. Hopefully you or a loved one won’t need surgery (my area of healthcare) any time soon, because we (and likely most other hospitals) are again running out of not only beds but also providers AND supplies!
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Post by Merge on Feb 10, 2022 11:56:02 GMT
Gia, pixiechick, you have no business schooling anyone on hypocrisy. As I stated above, I do see a moral difference between the protests. BLM protests were against continuing disproportionate police violence against black people - a complaint that had gone largely unheard until the last few years, and which, sadly, required some extreme measures to bring people’s attention to the matter. Decades of quiet, peaceful protest had failed to bring about change, and have even often been mocked and scorned by people on the right committed to keeping the status quo. And yes, in many cases the police escalated or committed the violence themselves. I did not say in all cases. The Ottawa thing is a bunch of babies who think their rights are being trampled by a paper mask or who have been convinced by YouTube that the vaccine may be dangerous. Their rage is fueled by nothing more than the typical conservative grievance narrative and a hefty dose of delusion. Just like the people who stormed the Capitol and tried to overthrow a fair and free election in this country. False victimhood and delusion. Trying to draw any kind of equivalency between these two actions shows just how divorced from reality you are. I'm not schooling anyone. Just pointing out the facts. If they happen to show your astounding hypocrisy you should have thought of that before you displayed it. I do see a moral difference between the protests. I don't believe that for a second. Everything you say discredits your own statement. If you truly and honestly saw a moral difference you wouldn't need to reduce FORCING a population to submit to injections whether they need them or not, to "being babies about a paper mask". You know damn good and well that if Trump had enacted vaccine mandates the Left would've lost their ever-loving minds. Decades of quiet, peaceful protest had failed to bring about change, and have even often been mocked and scorned by people on the right committed to keeping the status quo. The hell they did. We have seen so much change for the better in this country. For decades. What decade are you living in? We have come so far from decades ago. Don't conflate this with me saying there's no more racism, which we both know is nothing more than a dismissal of facts you don't like. And stop conflating racists with all people on the Right. It does a disservice to whatever your message is. The Ottawa thing is a bunch of babies who think their rights are being trampled by a paper mask or who have been convinced by YouTube that the vaccine may be dangerous. Their rage is fueled by nothing more than the typical conservative grievance narrative and a hefty dose of delusion. The way you stated that is nothing more than an amoral, completely dishonest justification for saying you can only protest what WE agree with. All while claiming in 2020 that the people who objected to the violence, murder and destruction going on then, just didn't want people to protest for black lives. Yes, that was a common dismissal and it's bullshit. Trying to draw any kind of equivalency between these two actions shows just how divorced from reality you are. YOU trying to remove NOW, the equivalency between these two protests THAT YOU YOURSELF BROUGHT TO THIS VERY THREAD, is nothing more than your really bad - really, really bad (a true fail) attempt to dismiss the hypocrisy YOU personally displayed, shows how utterly and completely dishonest you are. Let’s all remember that you recently had to admit that you brought an article to this board in an attempt at a “gotcha” but had actually been taken in by a partisan writer who was just confirming your own biases. It’s not the first time that has happened, btw, though it was the first time you conceded it. There was at least one other instance where you copied and pasted false and misleading words from a propaganda site article and used them as your own. Does being caught out in instances like that ever cause you to reflect about whether many of your other cherished beliefs come from a place of misinformation and bias? If not, you’ve got no business telling anyone else about honesty. You’re not even capable of being honest with yourself. And of course there’s the whole matter of you continuing to insist that you are not the pea we all know you are, who has been here for years. That’s very dishonest. The rest of your post is your typical grievance bullshit and matters not at all to me. I stand by what I said about the babies in Ottawa protesting something that shouldn’t even be a blip on their radar. But thanks for confirming that what they’re really protesting is a politician and not a real infringement on their rights.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 10, 2022 12:14:03 GMT
I think it's odd how quick many democrats are to come down against a largely working class driven protest movement tbh. These truckers were putting themselves at risk throughout the pandemic to deliver goods to people who were able to stay home and protect themselves and now those same people are happy to call them selfish idiots. I personally think vaccine mandates are not only wrong but also counterproductive in the long term, even though I am 100% pro vaccine so I support the protests in that sense. I think the people against the protests are naive in many ways as giving the goverment powers to mandate medical treatments could end very badly if someone more nefarious than Biden (or even Trump) becomes president any time soon. I think there are some false assumptions and misinformation in your post. If the truckers were having a peaceful protest that wasn’t disruptive, they might have more support. The Democrats are not coming down on them because of their jobs, we value and appreciate the work they do. We are opposed to their actions - blocking downtown streets, harassing pedestrians, blaring horns all day, blocking a border crossing etc. The blocked border crossing led to Ford and GM cancelling shifts at their factories. We support the auto workers who lost wages and the people in downtown Ottawa who have had to contend with the noisy, disruptive truckers for 2 solid weeks. Vaccine mandates are strictly that - requiring a vaccine, nothing more. They do not give governments greater powers for other medical treatments. Vaccine mandates have been in place for the small pox and other vaccines since the Revolutionary war and they have not lead to broader powers.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 10, 2022 12:56:40 GMT
Thank you internet for inspiring some French whackadoodles to create a convoy of freedumb of their own. They're driving up to Paris this Saturday from all over the country. I cannot even. The convoy has already been forbidden by the prefect of Paris so it looks like they'll be stuck creating mini riots around the capital instead. Fun, fun, fun.
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Post by claudia123 on Feb 10, 2022 13:02:07 GMT
I think it's odd how quick many democrats are to come down against a largely working class driven protest movement tbh. These truckers were putting themselves at risk throughout the pandemic to deliver goods to people who were able to stay home and protect themselves and now those same people are happy to call them selfish idiots. I personally think vaccine mandates are not only wrong but also counterproductive in the long term, even though I am 100% pro vaccine so I support the protests in that sense. I think the people against the protests are naive in many ways as giving the goverment powers to mandate medical treatments could end very badly if someone more nefarious than Biden (or even Trump) becomes president any time soon. I think there are some assumptions and misinformation in your post. If the truckers were having a peaceful protest that wasn’t disruptive, they might have more support. The Democrats are not coming down on them because of their jobs, we value and appreciate the work they do. We are opposed to their actions - blocking downtown streets, harassing pedestrians, blaring horns all day, blocking a border crossing etc. The blocked border crossing led to Ford and GM cancelling shifts at their factories. We support the auto workers who lost wages and the people in downtown Ottawa who have had to contend with the noisy, disruptive truckers for 2 solid weeks. Vaccine mandates are strictly that - requiring a vaccine, nothing more. They do not give governments greater powers for other medical treatments. Vaccine mandates have been in place for the small pox and other vaccines since the Revolutionary war and they have not lead to broader powers. Protests that don't cause any disruption at all are very easily ignored by the powers that be and highly unlikely to lead to any meaningful change imo. That doesnt mean they have to be violent but they do have to have some sort of an impact (which can include noise). Furthermore vaccine mandates to access non health care related jobs in your own country are not remotely the same thing as the vaccine mandates that were in place before the pandemic. It's not much of a reach to see how the enthustiac acceptance of 'no jab no job' could easily be extended to other forms of medical treatment.
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Post by cindosha on Feb 10, 2022 13:03:42 GMT
I think it's odd how quick many democrats are to come down against a largely working class driven protest movement tbh. These truckers were putting themselves at risk throughout the pandemic to deliver goods to people who were able to stay home and protect themselves and now those same people are happy to call them selfish idiots. I personally think vaccine mandates are not only wrong but also counterproductive in the long term, even though I am 100% pro vaccine so I support the protests in that sense. I think the people against the protests are naive in many ways as giving the goverment powers to mandate medical treatments could end very badly if someone more nefarious than Biden (or even Trump) becomes president any time soon. I think there are some assumptions and misinformation in your post. If the truckers were having a peaceful protest that wasn’t disruptive, they might have more support. The Democrats are not coming down on them because of their jobs, we value and appreciate the work they do. We are opposed to their actions - blocking downtown streets, harassing pedestrians, blaring horns all day, blocking a border crossing etc. The blocked border crossing led to Ford and GM cancelling shifts at their factories. We support the auto workers who lost wages and the people in downtown Ottawa who have had to contend with the noisy, disruptive truckers for 2 solid weeks. Vaccine mandates are strictly that - requiring a vaccine, nothing more. They do not give governments greater powers for other medical treatments. Vaccine mandates have been in place for the small pox and other vaccines since the Revolutionary war and they have not lead to broader powers. You are SO completely wrong about that. People are losing their jobs for not being vaxed. They are not being let into stores and restaurants if they are not vaxed. They are being denied healthcare if they are not vaxed. They are being treated like crap if they are not vaxed. And don't try to lecture me about keeping people safe with vaccines. Turns out, the vaxes didn't work like they thought they would and everyone is still getting the virus despite the vaccines and masks. It will always be like that. They never eradicated the flu and they will never eradicate the covid. People will have to learn to live with it just like we do with the flu. In the next month or so, all mandates will be lifted, probably largely because of protests like this. All of a sudden, the virus won't matter any more, no more masks, no more vax cards to get into places, no more quarantining completely healthy people. The virus just magically disappears once the mandates are stopped? What a crock of crap that people had to go through this in the first place. THAT is what this protest is about.
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Post by cindosha on Feb 10, 2022 13:07:54 GMT
I think it's odd how quick many democrats are to come down against a largely working class driven protest movement tbh. These truckers were putting themselves at risk throughout the pandemic to deliver goods to people who were able to stay home and protect themselves and now those same people are happy to call them selfish idiots. I personally think vaccine mandates are not only wrong but also counterproductive in the long term, even though I am 100% pro vaccine so I support the protests in that sense. I think the people against the protests are naive in many ways as giving the goverment powers to mandate medical treatments could end very badly if someone more nefarious than Biden (or even Trump) becomes president any time soon. I think there are some assumptions and misinformation in your post. If the truckers were having a peaceful protest that wasn’t disruptive, they might have more support. The Democrats are not coming down on them because of their jobs, we value and appreciate the work they do. We are opposed to their actions - blocking downtown streets, harassing pedestrians, blaring horns all day, blocking a border crossing etc. The blocked border crossing led to Ford and GM cancelling shifts at their factories. We support the auto workers who lost wages and the people in downtown Ottawa who have had to contend with the noisy, disruptive truckers for 2 solid weeks. Vaccine mandates are strictly that - requiring a vaccine, nothing more. They do not give governments greater powers for other medical treatments. Vaccine mandates have been in place for the small pox and other vaccines since the Revolutionary war and they have not lead to broader powers. Vaccine mandates have been in place for the small pox and other vaccines since the Revolutionary war and they have not lead to broader powers.
People never lost their jobs and healthcare because they weren't vaxed against small pox, or mumps or measles or hepatitis or pertussis or diphtheria.
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Post by Merge on Feb 10, 2022 13:09:52 GMT
I think there are some assumptions and misinformation in your post. If the truckers were having a peaceful protest that wasn’t disruptive, they might have more support. The Democrats are not coming down on them because of their jobs, we value and appreciate the work they do. We are opposed to their actions - blocking downtown streets, harassing pedestrians, blaring horns all day, blocking a border crossing etc. The blocked border crossing led to Ford and GM cancelling shifts at their factories. We support the auto workers who lost wages and the people in downtown Ottawa who have had to contend with the noisy, disruptive truckers for 2 solid weeks. Vaccine mandates are strictly that - requiring a vaccine, nothing more. They do not give governments greater powers for other medical treatments. Vaccine mandates have been in place for the small pox and other vaccines since the Revolutionary war and they have not lead to broader powers. Vaccine mandates have been in place for the small pox and other vaccines since the Revolutionary war and they have not lead to broader powers.
People never lost their jobs and healthcare because they weren't vaxed against small pox, or mumps or measles or hepatitis or pertussis or diphtheria. This is simply not true. Many jobs, including military service, require vaccines.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 10, 2022 13:10:53 GMT
I think it's odd how quick many democrats are to come down against a largely working class driven protest movement tbh. These truckers were putting themselves at risk throughout the pandemic to deliver goods to people who were able to stay home and protect themselves and now those same people are happy to call them selfish idiots. I personally think vaccine mandates are not only wrong but also counterproductive in the long term, even though I am 100% pro vaccine so I support the protests in that sense. I think the people against the protests are naive in many ways as giving the goverment powers to mandate medical treatments could end very badly if someone more nefarious than Biden (or even Trump) becomes president any time soon. Oh, hello again. If there is one thing that’s consistent in your posts on this topic, it’s your ability to enter late into a multi page topic lacking any nuance or context of previous discussion, in your take. Do you also know how often you qualify to say this in all of them? “even though I am 100% pro vaccine” It’s quite fascinating, really. 😏 I mean, I am too - but I never feel the need to qualify it every single time I say something. I am ok with calling this particular minority of truckers selfish idiots in the same way, that I thought the minority of healthcare workers who refused the vaccine, for the same political reasons were. I thought they were also heroic when they worked risking their lives when they had no protection. I do not and never will think that refusing a vaccine, for contrived political reasons, is heroic.
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