paget
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Post by paget on Jul 4, 2014 7:14:45 GMT
First, those job numbers don't include the millions of people who have dropped out of the workforce entirely because they can't find a job. Those jobs numbers also don't include dh and I. We sold our business but neither of us has found work. We were self employed so we weren't being counted. We have been looking for work for about 3 months and we don't get unemployment. Dh and I both have promising interviews on Monday, so fingers crossed!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 7:48:50 GMT
Paget, I'm going to say a prayer that both of your interviews will go as good as possible on Monday! (((Hugs))
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Post by Kymberlee on Jul 4, 2014 10:21:49 GMT
The effects of this influx of these children are going to be staggering. The cost to our school systems alone are going to be devastating. In my county, 40% of incoming Kindergarteners are ESOL children that require additional instruction in English as well as free/reduced lunch. That was before this huge new wave of migrants arrive on our proverbial doorstep. I live in a very affluent county that tries to absorb the cost but even here, the system is overburdened and cuts are huge. From WaPo
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Post by lovetodigi on Jul 4, 2014 11:28:25 GMT
native born americans will not work in the fields. no matter where you are in the us, this is true. it is very hard work and they won't do it. we need workers to pick our produce. the political situation in central america is very very bad. That is absolutely not true. I personally know people who have done it.So do I.
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Post by sheepea on Jul 4, 2014 11:53:04 GMT
native born americans will not work in the fields. no matter where you are in the us, this is true. it is very hard work and they won't do it. we need workers to pick our produce. the political situation in central america is very very bad. So not true. Kids here used to detassel corn to pay for their first cars. I looked into doing it a couple years ago to get a little more income and found out fewer were hiring for that kind of job (hiring illegally or new machinery doing the job??? Probably a little of both.) and they are still paying about the same as they were 20 years ago for the detassel jobs I did find available. I really hope you are right, Sara, I would love to think the economy is really doing better. As an individual, I'm still struggling, but I hope less people are in my situation than a few years ago...
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Post by straggler on Jul 4, 2014 12:04:07 GMT
No one has to make this President look bad! He is doing a pretty good job all by himself! And no, I am not a Republican. Just fed up with the course American is taking. As for the illegal aliens coming across the border, they are doing so because our border is not secure, even though the President said just a month or so ago, the borders have never been as secure...well, obviously they are not secure enough or thousands of illegals would not be getting in, would they?
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Post by straggler on Jul 4, 2014 12:11:16 GMT
The economy has not seen any improvement in our area of the Country. Have lived here all my life and never saw a homeless/jobless panhandling until this recession. There was a man, woman and child outside our main grocery just this week. Saw another man yesterday. This town has lost so much industry and gone with those industries are the decent paying jobs. DH and I counted 15 manufacturing companies which have left in the past 10 years. Sad, just sad!
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Post by straggler on Jul 4, 2014 12:26:06 GMT
11.7 million new taxpayers? I sincerely doubt that. I just heard or read, stats on the dollar amount that illegal aliens are receiving via the American taxpayer in the way of food, clothing, lodging, schooling and medical care...it was an enormous number! Sad that we take better care of illegal immigrants than we do our own Veterans. Also saw in a news report this week that professionals who are helping to care for the children are beginning to speak out about the illnesses that they are seeing...and then this poor kids are being shipped all over the country.
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Post by I-95 on Jul 4, 2014 12:43:41 GMT
On an anecdotal note, maybe we're lucky here in the Bay Area, but I don't know anyone, not a single person, who can't find a decent job at this point. Everyone is working and people are getting headhunted like crazy for BETTER jobs. It usually starts in California and works its way East...Florida will still be in economic crisis for years before it catches up. The unemployment rate has fallen slightly but home foreclosures are still one of the highest in the nation.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 4, 2014 12:46:01 GMT
rainbow ... you heard back from Skybar and she confirmed Skypea isn't her? No, the real Skybar has not been on. I know her, and she would have responded to my email if it really were her because we talk outside of the forum. When she sees my email I'm sure she will come over to this board, I sent her the link. That will be fun, LOL.
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 4, 2014 12:47:54 GMT
That is absolutely not true. I personally know people who have done it. So do I - I know the family that runs one of the orange groves near here. I have family that has worked in the corn fields in Iowa.
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Post by Kymberlee on Jul 4, 2014 15:09:16 GMT
Growing up, detasseling corn was one of the first jobs kids around my area did. They did that as well as other farm jobs that needed to be done during the summer months. I read somewhere that hiring kids to do these jobs was harder because the gov't has started regulating "child labor" and apparently doing this type of seasonal work is considered child endangerment or some sort of nonsense like that. I can't give a source because it was a few years ago that I had this conversation.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 4, 2014 15:20:22 GMT
11.7 million new taxpayers? I sincerely doubt that. I just heard or read, stats on the dollar amount that illegal aliens are receiving via the American taxpayer in the way of food, clothing, lodging, schooling and medical care...it was an enormous number! Sad that we take better care of illegal immigrants than we do our own Veterans. Also saw in a news report this week that professionals who are helping to care for the children are beginning to speak out about the illnesses that they are seeing...and then this poor kids are being shipped all over the country. Shh! We have to keep it a secret that the illegals coming in are sick.
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Post by utmr on Jul 4, 2014 15:31:11 GMT
I don't know about other areas, but hiring is going full speed here. Both in terms of office jobs and out in the Eagle Ford. Some of the jobs aren't glamorous, some require people to learn something new, and some are out in the shale fields, but there are jobs for people who are willing to hustle and make an effort.
Our immigration policies are seriously broken. If people want to come here, follow the laws and work hard, they should be able to. If someone is desperate enough to cross the desert to come here to cut grass, wash dishes, and pick tomatoes, that's an indicator of how awful it must be where they came from.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 4, 2014 15:35:27 GMT
rainbow ... you heard back from Skybar and she confirmed Skypea isn't her? No, the real Skybar has not been on. I know her, and she would have responded to my email if it really were her because we talk outside of the forum. When she sees my email I'm sure she will come over to this board, I sent her the link. That will be fun, LOL.Thanks and keep us posted, okay?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 15:36:12 GMT
Our immigration policies are seriously broken. If people want to come here, follow the laws and work hard, they should be able to. If someone is desperate enough to cross the desert to come here to cut grass, wash dishes, and pick tomatoes, that's an indicator of how awful it must be where they came from.
What if they just want free food, education, and health care?
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 4, 2014 15:36:54 GMT
No, the real Skybar has not been on. I know her, and she would have responded to my email if it really were her because we talk outside of the forum. When she sees my email I'm sure she will come over to this board, I sent her the link. That will be fun, LOL. Thanks and keep us posted, okay? OK, I will. She's on sporadically so I'm not sure how long it will be.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 4, 2014 15:39:39 GMT
11.7 million new taxpayers? I sincerely doubt that. I just heard or read, stats on the dollar amount that illegal aliens are receiving via the American taxpayer in the way of food, clothing, lodging, schooling and medical care...it was an enormous number! Sad that we take better care of illegal immigrants than we do our own Veterans. Also saw in a news report this week that professionals who are helping to care for the children are beginning to speak out about the illnesses that they are seeing...and then this poor kids are being shipped all over the country. Shh! We have to keep it a secret that the illegals coming in are sick.Oh, come on. You know she's reading the same right-wing scare sources as you.
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Post by rebelyelle on Jul 4, 2014 15:47:03 GMT
What if they just want free food, education, and health care? Anecdotal, but…the vast majority of immigrants I've come into contact with have been hard-working individuals who just want a better life for their family. I worked in restaurants for a very long time - back line cooks, prep cooks, bus boys, food runners - all of these staffers were immigrants, and they worked really, really hard and were most definitely not looking for a handout. In my current position, I work with a lot of catering companies, and again - their servers, cleaning staff, etc. are for the most part immigrants of some kind. As for Americans not wanting these jobs - it might just be a consequence of where I live, but I can remember very, very few occasions where the applicants for these open positions were non-American.
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 4, 2014 15:51:20 GMT
Shh! We have to keep it a secret that the illegals coming in are sick. Oh, come on. You know she's reading the same right-wing scare sources as you. The video I linked was from ABC.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 4, 2014 16:17:35 GMT
I'm running out the door right now so I don't have time to discuss (hopefully later), but the majority of the people crossing the border right now are children most of whom are unable to work due to their age. Why are they coming over the border in droves?? I don't think jobs are the number one reason they are coming here. I will be back later. Gotta go get a run in before the storms move into my area. I am interested in reading replies. I don't understand how people can't see that based on the changes the president wants to make to the immigration laws, people are sending their kids over so the parents can get their free pass later How are all these kids coming over show job growth
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Post by justkallie on Jul 4, 2014 16:18:06 GMT
I do agree that many illegal immigrants are leaving some pretty awful situations, I will say that some are very picky as to where they want to end up. Right now, for example, there have been a ton of immigrants camping out in the north of France hoping to get to Britain. Why? It is easier to get benefits and under the table jobs in the UK, whereas the other nations will enforce immigration law far more stringently and are not passing out benefits as freely as their UK counterparts, Here is just one of many article on this issue - www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2525009/Up-15-000-immigrants-sneak-Britain-Calais-year-Deputy-Mayor-says-town-magnet-foreigners-trying-cross-Channel.html - and heck, the UK has a reality show based on people on the public dole (on their public tv stations no less) - www.channel4.com/programmes/benefits-streetIn reality, many of these immigrants are not interested in just fleeing bad situations - for example, many come through Italy. But instead of being happy they got there and ready to make a new life, they travel through several other countries with the only intent to get to the UK. It is bad in the UK right now - I would almost say their problem is worse than America's, because the immigrants they are receiving are disproportionately on benefits and many will never leave the system. On the flip side, there are those immigrants who are just happy to be anywhere else, and you see them settled all over and working their butts off for a chance for a better life. However, the first group of immigrants are the ones anyone talks about - and unfortunately, many xenophobic political groups are spraining up as a result. Not sure what the right answer to this problem is, but it is a problem - and a world-wide problem at that!
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Jul 4, 2014 16:18:26 GMT
Many friends of mine have college graduate children who cannot find work. My niece could not find employment and could not defer student loans so took a position in South Korea to teach. A friend of mine just told me about a young married couple, recently graduated who are doing the same.
The real unemployment rate, adjusted for the labor participation rate is 12.4%
There is real hardship in this country for a lot of people. If you have not been effected since the 2008 recession count yourself as fortunate. Many past threads at the pod here have been lots of those cavalier about unemployment until it hits home. It took me three years to find work - it was not easy and there were many sleepless nights with worry and anxiety - I wouldn't wish the misery on anyone.
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Post by Kymberlee on Jul 4, 2014 18:29:46 GMT
Rebel, I do agree with you on many of the points you made. The point (to me) remains that these hard working individuals still have children that need to be educated and provided with health care. I don't know if you saw the WaPo article that was published a few days ago regarding the number of ESOL students enrolled in Kindergarten in FCPS. FCPS is trying to meet the needs of these children, but something is going to have to give. The county is struggling with class size, teacher pay, etc… Many of the schools I go to (I'm an itinerant SpEd teacher) have several people on staff just to communicate with the families of non English speakers including interpreters and office staff that are bilingual.
These "new tax payers" might be paying a small amount of taxes, but the drain to our system far outweighs the amount of taxes they pay. I will repeat what I said upthread; these people aren't coming here for the job opportunities. No way, and there will be nothing to convince me of that.
As I watch the news and see many of these desperate people scattered to the winds by our gov't in the form of plane rides and bus tickets, I shudder. They will never show up for their deportation hearings but I bet my bottom dollar they show up to get their free health care and benefits.
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Post by paget on Jul 5, 2014 4:21:49 GMT
Paget, I'm going to say a prayer that both of your interviews will go as good as possible on Monday! (((Hugs)) Thank you, Jodster - that really means a lot.
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 5, 2014 7:20:05 GMT
If someone is desperate enough to cross the desert to come here to cut grass, wash dishes, and pick tomatoes, that's an indicator of how awful it must be where they came from. Apparently it's just dandy over there with wonderful healthcare. So wonderful that they're coming here with lice, scabies, and God know what else. You can't have it both ways. Either it is great or it isn't. Pick one.
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Post by suzastampin on Jul 5, 2014 11:48:09 GMT
I can't get past the illegal part. Illegal. *facepalm* THIS!! It is one of the things that bothers me the most. We have provisions for coming here legally, which, to me, allows a more than generous number a year. The legal immigrants work hard to do things the right way. We should not be rewarding (Adults and children) who come here illegally!
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Post by gardengoddess on Jul 5, 2014 13:13:27 GMT
I think a lot of people's anger is misplaced in regards to their local economy. If the economy isn't doing well in the part of the country you live in. you need to be taking a really good look at who's running your state governments and not blame the federal government. I get dozens of emails a day through LinkedIn on really well paying local jobs and the only people I know that are unemployed right now are by choice, not because of the lack of jobs. Our home prices increased 6% in the last year and both residential and commercial construction is booming.
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Post by Sharon on Jul 5, 2014 14:36:28 GMT
Our economy isn't in the toilet. I get it that the anti-Obama crowd will go to any, ANY lengths to try to make him look bad. But the job numbers have consistently moved in an upwards direction. On an anecdotal note, maybe we're lucky here in the Bay Area, but I don't know anyone, not a single person, who can't find a decent job at this point. Everyone is working and people are getting headhunted like crazy for BETTER jobs. I wish it was that way here! My husband has been looking for a job for 7 months.....not one offer. He can't even find temporary or part-time work! We moved here with a transfer for my job. I'm really wishing we had stayed where we were. Maybe I could have found a job there since he already had one there. I'm not impressed with BO....never have been. Statistics can be made to say anything depending on how you manipulate them.
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