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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Mar 18, 2022 1:59:18 GMT
I’m curious about that as well. It seems that all of the fast food and other starting jobs pay at least $15 an hour now here, even for teens. That is more than last year. But everywhere is hiring and most of the fast food restaurants are still drive through only because of staffing issues. And not open the same hours that they were pre-Covid. It’s easy for people to say that workers need to be paid more, but I think that is part of the reason why prices gave increased for a lot of things because those at the top don’t want to take any kind of pay cut to make sure that their other employees get fair pay. I can't speak for everywhere, but all those fast food signs around here that boast "Starting at $15/hr"... There is a teeny tiny "up to" just about the number "15." Also, I do know that only corporate McDonald's around here start at anything near that $15/hour. Franchises set their own pay scale. The two people I know (adults, one in her fifties, one in his sixties) both make $8.50/hour.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Mar 18, 2022 2:01:47 GMT
By no means am I saying that everyone who stopped working is now getting state benefits, but I would be curious to know if the numbers of people who are getting benefits has increased and how that compares to unemployment numbers. For some people, I wonder if they realized that quitting their job and applying for benefits was more beneficial to them than working lower paying jobs and paying for daycare. I think that in most/many states, you have to be employed to get state benefits after a certain period of time. Most people can't just not work and live off the state.
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Post by janeinbama on Mar 18, 2022 2:09:18 GMT
A friend is a law firm administrator and has trouble filling open positions as are most firms in her (large) city.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 18, 2022 2:11:50 GMT
My husband coordinates adjunct professors at our school and it has been really difficult to get people to agree to do it this past year. Adjuncts are not well-compensated, and often have another job, so in the past, did it out of interest, prestige, or service. I think people have reoriented in my profession and want to spend less time on that kind of work. Which is reasonable.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 18, 2022 2:14:13 GMT
A friend is a law firm administrator and has trouble filling open positions as are most firms in her (large) city. There is a huge battle out there right now over associates!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2022 2:28:11 GMT
There's not enough engineers and architects in the construction industry. Mechanical engineers are going to cars and aero tech. Same with electrical. If you have someone who's interested in math and design, go for architecture. DH's company has been looking for a few people for a while now. Larger companies are snatching up new graduates. There are jobs in electrical engineering in building. There just aren't any college graduates who want to do that. They want to work for Space X or GM.
On the retail level, full time jobs are few. Some managers I know have made the move over to banking or medical office manager. More stable hours. My kid left retail to take up an electrician apprenticeship job. Companies need to either give their employees stable hours that will allow them to work two jobs or give them full time hours. It's hard to work two part time jobs when they both want you to be at their beck and call.
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Post by voltagain on Mar 18, 2022 2:58:23 GMT
Between the beginning of January 2020 and March 2, 2022, of 944,662 deaths caused by COVID-19 in the United States www.statista.com/statistics/1113068/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-place-of-death-us/ Looking at the age stats there are a lot of were-working-now-dead. The hard age to decipher is the 65-74 years olds. No way to know what percentage of that group were still part of the work force. These people are not coming back to work! At to that those who took early retirement to stay safe... they are not coming back!
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Post by peasapie on Mar 18, 2022 3:21:11 GMT
The huge swelling of baby boomers who were filling jobs in the 60s and 70s gradually started retiring 10 years ago, and many called it quits during Covid. My husband retired when he had to close his office due to Covid, and we have several friends who did the same.
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Post by Merge on Mar 18, 2022 3:45:09 GMT
By no means am I saying that everyone who stopped working is now getting state benefits, but I would be curious to know if the numbers of people who are getting benefits has increased and how that compares to unemployment numbers. For some people, I wonder if they realized that quitting their job and applying for benefits was more beneficial to them than working lower paying jobs and paying for daycare. I can’t speak for every state, but unemployment benefits in Texas last a maximum of six months. Less if you were employed for a short time. No one is just living endlessly on unemployment.
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Post by Gennifer on Mar 18, 2022 3:57:02 GMT
In Utah our unemployment rate in Feb 2020 was 2.6%. It’s now 2.2%. And yet, I still hear, almost daily, that people can’t fill jobs because of government handouts. 🤦🏼♀️
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Post by scrappinghappy on Mar 18, 2022 4:51:17 GMT
No one wants to give more than 10-15 hours per employee because then they need to start paying benefits too.
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Post by candleangie on Mar 18, 2022 6:24:22 GMT
Well…..
Some of them: -died of Covid -retired early -discovered during lay offs that they could make ends meet on a single income and were happier -couldn’t return because day cares had to reduce their capacity and there aren’t enough spots open - couldn’t return because reduced capacity meant that day cares had to hike up their fees and they can’t afford it now -are now providing day care for a family member in because of the above scenarios -couldn’t return because their school district couldn’t get their act together in any predictable way so they’re bouncing between in-person and homeschooling their kid -have a medically fragile family member in their home and are desperately trying to keep them safe -returned to school while the works was on hold and are finishing up a degree -got promoted into higher positions that were vacated by all of the people listed above
And a few just don’t want to work. But I truly think that’s a pretty small margin.
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Post by its me mg on Mar 18, 2022 6:39:06 GMT
Also, blame the corporations for those understaffed stores and restaurants. It's not employees refusing to show up and work. There are very few available hours. The store I work at has 19 cashiers, and 27 warehouse/backroom staff. There are only six cashiers given hours (at all) this week, and 14 warehouse people given any hours. Of those fortunate enough to have ANY hours, we have three shifts, between 8 & 13 hours total. The two salaried managers have to fill in on the registers and breaking down truck & stocking shelves, plus do what managers do. The problem is corporate greed. Full stop. How about CEOs get a salary decrease and lower level employees make a living wage? Oh no, can't do that because stockholders might not become even more wealthy. My restaurant execs took a 30% pay cut to keep our doors open. Did it effect them as much as us to lose that kind of cash? No. Did they have to? Also no. In my situation specifically I have some wiggle room with compensation and will cater to any availability so long as all my positions are full and I still can't catch a break. I feel like maybe your scenario is specific to retail in regards to labor budgets? I know Target does this - advertises $24/hr but then only gives you like, 12 hrs a week max. I'm willing to pay and willing to go to bat and I simply cannot staff this restaurant to save my life. As far as salaried managers go you're right - I basically get what I get in terms of who shows up on any given day and I'm expected to figure out a way to be multiple people in addition to my responsibilities of actually operating. It's DRAINING. And we haven't even talked about the guests yet who have all seemed to have lost their damn minds in quarantine. I don't think there's any magical dollar amount that would keep someone in this industry, I know I'm burned out.
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Post by melanell on Mar 18, 2022 11:14:02 GMT
I’m curious about that as well. It seems that all of the fast food and other starting jobs pay at least $15 an hour now here, even for teens. That is more than last year. But everywhere is hiring and most of the fast food restaurants are still drive through only because of staffing issues. And not open the same hours that they were pre-Covid. It’s easy for people to say that workers need to be paid more, but I think that is part of the reason why prices gave increased for a lot of things because those at the top don’t want to take any kind of pay cut to make sure that their other employees get fair pay. I can't speak for everywhere, but all those fast food signs around here that boast "Starting at $15/hr"... There is a teeny tiny "up to" just about the number "15." Yes, this was something I've noticed on many signs/ads in our area as well. Signs with big lettering that say $13 an hour! or $15 per hour! and then as you said, in a much smaller font, the all important "up to".
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Post by maryannscraps on Mar 18, 2022 11:18:20 GMT
My DS is working retail. Loves his job and the people he works with. He wants to work about 20 hrs/wk while he builds his side business. But his managers never schedule him for the same days or same hours. He never knows his schedule for the next week until Saturday morning. Sometimes they put him on for 10 hours and sometimes for 50. They ALWAYS schedule him for the times he says he can't work and don't schedule him when he's available.
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Post by melanell on Mar 18, 2022 11:22:49 GMT
People who can afford to retire or not work because of their partner's second income largely are not the folks who were previously working at McDonald's and other low-wage service industry jobs.. No, but a lot of high school and college students held those jobs, and I think there have been a few different reasons why some students in that age bracket stopped/didn't start working over the last 2 years.
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Post by Basket1lady on Mar 18, 2022 11:31:05 GMT
Well….. Some of them: -died of Covid -retired early -discovered during lay offs that they could make ends meet on a single income and were happier -couldn’t return because day cares had to reduce their capacity and there aren’t enough spots open - couldn’t return because reduced capacity meant that day cares had to hike up their fees and they can’t afford it now -are now providing day care for a family member in because of the above scenarios -couldn’t return because their school district couldn’t get their act together in any predictable way so they’re bouncing between in-person and homeschooling their kid -have a medically fragile family member in their home and are desperately trying to keep them safe -returned to school while the works was on hold and are finishing up a degree -got promoted into higher positions that were vacated by all of the people listed above And a few just don’t want to work. But I truly think that’s a pretty small margin. I agree with all of this. There isn’t one reason why the work force hasn’t returned, and each person who chose not to return has multiple reasons why they didn’t return. I don’t think we can underestimate the impact that childcare responsibilities has played in the return to work. The lowest wage earner is going to be the one to stay home when little Susie gets quarantined or gets a cold or the school has to close because there weren’t enough teachers. Add into that that it’s expensive for the caregiver to work. Often you have to pay someone else to watch the child—daycare or after school care, you have the expense of a car—gas, tires, maintenance, there’s the expense of working—purchased lunches, clothing, parking, eating out because there wasn’t time or energy to make dinner, and it all adds up. Add in that people found out that it’s a lot less stressful for a family when there is someone home to do all that.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Mar 18, 2022 11:39:15 GMT
We’re noticing the labor shortages in the restaurant industry quite frequently as we go out to eat. It’s most frequently in the form of sections closed down due to lack of wait staff. The other Friday it was two waitresses handling the entire restaurant in a local place. We’ve also been told longer wait times for food due to lack of kitchen staff. One of our favorite local places still hasn’t added back lunch service. It’s all they can do to keep dinner staffed.
I really don’t see the restaurant business recovering from this anytime soon.
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Post by teddyw on Mar 18, 2022 11:45:42 GMT
My friend works for a financial planner they are predicting a fair amount of retirees actually don’t have enough saved to maintain the lifestyle they want. So some of them will be returning sooner or later to some kind of employment.
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Post by Megan on Mar 18, 2022 11:47:16 GMT
I have had a very part time, unregular job through covid. I've only recently (last month) started working more. And honestly it's only because a former boss reached out and it's fully remote.
Good yet affordable childcare is hard to find and even then - kids in daycare are exposed to more germs so the default parent (aka usually mom) end up missing work.
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Post by littlemama on Mar 18, 2022 11:51:35 GMT
I was wondering this too. Now that the extra unemployment is gone, how are these people living? I guess they must have adjusted to a lower income household.. or won the lotto! Or they have found jobs with employers who treat them right.
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Post by Megan on Mar 18, 2022 12:00:00 GMT
I feel like some of the fast food breakfast hour and Walmart greeter type positions would be taken my retirees just looking to get out of the house but with how the general public seems to be treating those working public facing jobs AND also people treat general health I don't blame people for preferring to stay within their circles and even just at home. Heck, even something like social media keeps people in their homes more and there's less "need" to get out and talk to people at work.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 18, 2022 12:03:55 GMT
By no means am I saying that everyone who stopped working is now getting state benefits, but I would be curious to know if the numbers of people who are getting benefits has increased and how that compares to unemployment numbers. For some people, I wonder if they realized that quitting their job and applying for benefits was more beneficial to them than working lower paying jobs and paying for daycare. I can’t speak for every state, but unemployment benefits in Texas last a maximum of six months. Less if you were employed for a short time. No one is just living endlessly on unemployment. I’m not referring to unemployment, although I believe that in my state it lasts longer than 6 months. I’m referring to other benefits like medical assistance and food stamps. Some people also get cash and housing assistance but I am not sure what the requirements are for that. But I do know many people (before and after the pandemic) that live off of benefits. Some of them work intermittently. I’m just wondering if that number has gone up or not. It may not have, it was just something that I was thinking about.
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Post by busy on Mar 18, 2022 12:42:16 GMT
I can’t speak for every state, but unemployment benefits in Texas last a maximum of six months. Less if you were employed for a short time. No one is just living endlessly on unemployment. I’m not referring to unemployment, although I believe that in my state it lasts longer than 6 months. I’m referring to other benefits like medical assistance and food stamps. Some people also get cash and housing assistance but I am not sure what the requirements are for that. But I do know many people (before and after the pandemic) that live off of benefits. Some of them work intermittently. I’m just wondering if that number has gone up or not. It may not have, it was just something that I was thinking about. Individuals who are over age 18 and under 50 are limited to three months of SNAP benefits every three years unless they are working or in a work or training program 20 hours a week. Some individuals are exempt from this requirement, such as those who live with children in the household, those determined to be physically or mentally unfit for work, pregnant women, and others determined to be exempt from the three-month time limit. In response to the pandemic, Congress suspended the three-month time limit until the month after the federal public health emergency ends.a In addition, some states with mandatory training or job search requirements have temporarily suspended them. Additional information www.cbpp.org/research/food-assistance/a-quick-guide-to-snap-eligibility-and-benefitsIn general, people vastly overestimate the number of people “living off the system” and the kind of benefits they get. For TANF, in your state (I think) The Minnesota Family Investment Program (MFIP) helps families with children meet their basic needs, while helping parents move to financial stability through work. Parents are expected to work, and are supported in working with both cash and food assistance. Most families have a lifetime limit of 60 months on MFIP. When families first apply for cash assistance, they usually start in the Diversionary Work Program (DWP). It is a four-month program that helps parents go to work right away rather than enroll in MFIP. mn.gov/dhs/people-we-serve/children-and-families/economic-assistance/income/programs-and-services/mfip.jspTo be eligible for Minnesota Medicaid, you must be a resident of the state of Minnesota, a U.S. national, citizen, permanent resident, or legal alien, in need of health care/insurance assistance, whose financial situation would be characterized as low income or very low income. You must also be one of the following: Pregnant, or Be responsible for a child 18 years of age or younger, or Blind, or Have a disability or a family member in your household with a disability, or Be 65 years of age or older. To be eligible, you must have an annual household income (before taxes) that is below the following amounts: Select Household Size Maximum Household Income per year Hide Table Annual Household Income Limits (before taxes) Household Size* Maximum Income Level (Per Year) 1 $18,075 2 $24,353 3 $30,630 4 $36,908 5 $43,186 6 $49,463 7 $55,741 8 $62,018 www.benefits.gov/benefit/1286
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Post by zima on Mar 18, 2022 12:56:37 GMT
But his managers never schedule him for the same days or same hours. He never knows his schedule for the next week until Saturday morning. I've said this forever. It's not just the PAY, it's the SCHEDULE. Employers insist on these variable schedules that make it impossible to take one of these shitty jobs and take another job "on the side", or do school "on the side" or help co-parent "on the side" because you never know from week to week what the shitty job's hours are goign to be. If employers would stop insisting that everyone take these variable schedules and let the parents (say) work from 9-12 only or on MWF only, etc. and make it THEIR business to jigsaw employees schedules together for coverage, instead of making it the employees responsibility to jigsaw their lives' schedules together, I bet they'd find MANY MORE people willing to work for minimum wage. In general, people vastly overestimate the number of people “living off the system” and the kind of benefits they get. Yep.
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Post by worldwanderer75 on Mar 18, 2022 13:05:30 GMT
I agree with the poster that said that jobs unskilled workers who used to work fast food, retail, etc. have moved to higher paying jobs in warehouses. My DS worked at Amazon the past two summers (starting at age 18) while he was off from college. His starting pay was $21/hour. Lots of retention bonuses, bonuses for working Prime week, etc. He makes a ton of money in the summers and last summer we figured with all his bonuses that it was about $26/hr. As soon as he turns 21 he'll apply to be an Amazon driver. He'd never work a minimum wage job now that he knows he can make way more doing manual labor. It was super hard physically but he is young and was fine with it. DD is in HS and she has been a lifeguard the past couple of summers. They can't find enough kids this year and have changed their starting rate from $9/hr to $12/hr. DD will be a manager this year and make $16/hr. So, I'm not surprised that lower paying jobs can't find workers to fill them.
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Post by maryland on Mar 18, 2022 13:07:32 GMT
The workers are here. We are job searching. Going to interviews at one location, being hired on the spot, only to be told that the position that is *aKTcUaLlY* open is in a location thirty miles away. (Yes, that happened to me) We are working multiple jobs. We are trying to go back to school. And when we dare to ask for anything even close to resembling an almost liveable wage, our hours are cut, and we are systematically replaced by teens, who often (and understandably) leave for better jobs, easier jobs, jobs that work for their lifestyle, college, or choosing not to work anymore. Also, blame the corporations for those understaffed stores and restaurants. It's not employees refusing to show up and work. There are very few available hours. The store I work at has 19 cashiers, and 27 warehouse/backroom staff. There are only six cashiers given hours (at all) this week, and 14 warehouse people given any hours. Of those fortunate enough to have ANY hours, we have three shifts, between 8 & 13 hours total. The two salaried managers have to fill in on the registers and breaking down truck & stocking shelves, plus do what managers do. The problem is corporate greed. Full stop. How about CEOs get a salary decrease and lower level employees make a living wage? Oh no, can't do that because stockholders might not become even more wealthy. Thanks for sharing that information. I assumed that the reason the local grocery stores only had one cashier with a long line was because they didn't have enough employees, without realizing they have the employees that want to work and they don't give them hours.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 18, 2022 13:22:26 GMT
I’m not referring to unemployment, although I believe that in my state it lasts longer than 6 months. I’m referring to other benefits like medical assistance and food stamps. Some people also get cash and housing assistance but I am not sure what the requirements are for that. But I do know many people (before and after the pandemic) that live off of benefits. Some of them work intermittently. I’m just wondering if that number has gone up or not. It may not have, it was just something that I was thinking about. Individuals who are over age 18 and under 50 are limited to three months of SNAP benefits every three years unless they are working or in a work or training program 20 hours a week. Some individuals are exempt from this requirement, such as those who live with children in the household, those determined to be physically or mentally unfit for work, pregnant women, and others determined to be exempt from the three-month time limit. In response to the pandemic, Congress suspended the three-month time limit until the month after the federal public health emergency ends.a In addition, some states with mandatory training or job search requirements have temporarily suspended them. Additional information www.cbpp.org/research/food-assistance/a-quick-guide-to-snap-eligibility-and-benefitsIn general, people vastly overestimate the number of people “living off the system” and the kind of benefits they get. For TANF, in your state (I think) The Minnesota Family Investment Program (MFIP) helps families with children meet their basic needs, while helping parents move to financial stability through work. Parents are expected to work, and are supported in working with both cash and food assistance. Most families have a lifetime limit of 60 months on MFIP. When families first apply for cash assistance, they usually start in the Diversionary Work Program (DWP). It is a four-month program that helps parents go to work right away rather than enroll in MFIP. mn.gov/dhs/people-we-serve/children-and-families/economic-assistance/income/programs-and-services/mfip.jspTo be eligible for Minnesota Medicaid, you must be a resident of the state of Minnesota, a U.S. national, citizen, permanent resident, or legal alien, in need of health care/insurance assistance, whose financial situation would be characterized as low income or very low income. You must also be one of the following: Pregnant, or Be responsible for a child 18 years of age or younger, or Blind, or Have a disability or a family member in your household with a disability, or Be 65 years of age or older. To be eligible, you must have an annual household income (before taxes) that is below the following amounts: Select Household Size Maximum Household Income per year Hide Table Annual Household Income Limits (before taxes) Household Size* Maximum Income Level (Per Year) 1 $18,075 2 $24,353 3 $30,630 4 $36,908 5 $43,186 6 $49,463 7 $55,741 8 $62,018 www.benefits.gov/benefit/1286I don’t know the details of their finances, but most of the people I see with my job are on medical assistance (because that is the primary insurance that covers the service) and a majority of the parents (most often single mothers) do not work consistently, if at all. That isn’t new. Again, I was just curious if more people are getting assistance right now, even if temporarily and will go back to work when that ends. I do know that daycare can be hard to find right now and with kids needing to be out of school or daycare if exposed it has been difficult for families if both parents work. Maybe now that those guidelines are loosening more people will go back to work. Time will tell.
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Post by pilcas on Mar 18, 2022 13:45:19 GMT
I find that good jobs are hard to find. My daughter graduated from college last June and it was a struggle to find a job that actually offered some benefits and paid a little over minimum wage. In her group of friend who are also college graduates one is working as a bartender, another as a waiter, movie theater manager and a couple of other jobs that they could have gotten without a college degree, now, this does not apply to technology fields.
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Post by Merge on Mar 18, 2022 14:19:36 GMT
Individuals who are over age 18 and under 50 are limited to three months of SNAP benefits every three years unless they are working or in a work or training program 20 hours a week. Some individuals are exempt from this requirement, such as those who live with children in the household, those determined to be physically or mentally unfit for work, pregnant women, and others determined to be exempt from the three-month time limit. In response to the pandemic, Congress suspended the three-month time limit until the month after the federal public health emergency ends.a In addition, some states with mandatory training or job search requirements have temporarily suspended them. Additional information www.cbpp.org/research/food-assistance/a-quick-guide-to-snap-eligibility-and-benefitsIn general, people vastly overestimate the number of people “living off the system” and the kind of benefits they get. For TANF, in your state (I think) The Minnesota Family Investment Program (MFIP) helps families with children meet their basic needs, while helping parents move to financial stability through work. Parents are expected to work, and are supported in working with both cash and food assistance. Most families have a lifetime limit of 60 months on MFIP. When families first apply for cash assistance, they usually start in the Diversionary Work Program (DWP). It is a four-month program that helps parents go to work right away rather than enroll in MFIP. mn.gov/dhs/people-we-serve/children-and-families/economic-assistance/income/programs-and-services/mfip.jspTo be eligible for Minnesota Medicaid, you must be a resident of the state of Minnesota, a U.S. national, citizen, permanent resident, or legal alien, in need of health care/insurance assistance, whose financial situation would be characterized as low income or very low income. You must also be one of the following: Pregnant, or Be responsible for a child 18 years of age or younger, or Blind, or Have a disability or a family member in your household with a disability, or Be 65 years of age or older. To be eligible, you must have an annual household income (before taxes) that is below the following amounts: Select Household Size Maximum Household Income per year Hide Table Annual Household Income Limits (before taxes) Household Size* Maximum Income Level (Per Year) 1 $18,075 2 $24,353 3 $30,630 4 $36,908 5 $43,186 6 $49,463 7 $55,741 8 $62,018 www.benefits.gov/benefit/1286I don’t know the details of their finances, but most of the people I see with my job are on medical assistance (because that is the primary insurance that covers the service) and a majority of the parents (most often single mothers) do not work consistently, if at all. That isn’t new. Again, I was just curious if more people are getting assistance right now, even if temporarily and will go back to work when that ends. I do know that daycare can be hard to find right now and with kids needing to be out of school or daycare if exposed it has been difficult for families if both parents work. Maybe now that those guidelines are loosening more people will go back to work. Time will tell. I left the workforce for five years back in the early 2000s because I couldn’t earn enough, even with a master’s degree, to offset the cost of two kids in daycare. I was fortunate that my husband’s job paid well enough to keep us off of benefits, though just barely. If he had lost his job or simply decided to leave, I would definitely have needed benefits because i couldn’t afford day care on the wage I could earn at that time. I’m sure that situation is even tougher for women who don’t have the benefit of my education and spouse.
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