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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 14, 2022 5:34:23 GMT
...to the SCOTUS.. Thomas blasts disclosure of draft Supreme Court opinion as 'tremendously bad'"That trust ... is gone forever," high court's longest-serving sitting justice declares.By JOSH GERSTEIN 05/13/2022 10:59 PM EDT Justice Clarence Thomas, the longest-serving sitting member of the Supreme Court, declared Friday that the publication of a draft majority opinion on abortion has permanently damaged trust within the nation’s highest court and is a symptom of a broader decline in America’s institutions.I do think that what happened at the court is tremendously bad,” Thomas declared during a discussion at a conference for Black conservatives in Dallas. “I wonder how long we’re going to have these institutions at the rate we’re undermining them and then I wonder when they’re gone or destabilized what we will have as a country and I don’t think the prospects are good if we continue to lose them.”Thomas, an appointee of President George H.W. Bush and one of the court’s staunchest conservatives, suggested that the unprecedented public release of the draft opinion overturning Roe v. Wade has prompted the justices and their aides to look at each other with suspicion. “When you lose that trust, especially in the institution that I’m in, it changes the institution fundamentally. You begin to look over your shoulder,” Thomas said. “It’s kind of like infidelity that you can explain it, but you can’t undo it.” www.politico.com/news/2022/05/13/thomas-blasts-disclosure-of-draft-supreme-court-opinion-as-tremendously-bad-00032531Whole lot more... |
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Post by Anita on May 14, 2022 6:22:09 GMT
Boo freaking hoo.
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Post by bc2ca on May 14, 2022 7:06:01 GMT
This from the guy whose wife is knee deep in the January 6th insurrection?  Hakeem Jeffries said it better than I ever could. |
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Post by mollycoddle on May 14, 2022 10:48:08 GMT
And if it was, as a lot of people think, a conservative who leaked the draft? Will he say the same thing? I’m more interested in the gawdawful content of the draft. ETA: A bit off topic, but this is the sort of bullcrap that forced birth advocates have begun to spew: 😡 www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/13/after-roe-pro-life-anti-abortion-movement-road-ahead/“Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves (R), whose state is at the heart of the challenge to Roe, has been exemplary in this regard, signing two new bills to boost pregnancy centers and other community-based supports for pregnant women and their children. Having spoken to more than 20 governors over the past few months, we have been heartened by the way statewide leaders are embracing this phase of the pro-life movement.” “Meanwhile, we agree that there is a role for elected leaders in Congress, and we will support the strongest federal protections we can achieve. It is worth remembering that legislation to protect unborn children from painful late-term abortions has already passed several times in the House and received majority support (though not the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster) in the Senate.” “ We know that angry countercharges to these statements will come. We should be clear. The pro-life movement has never abided, and will not now abide, criminal charges against women who seek or have abortions. Women are harmed, not helped, by abortion. Given support by the circles of protection that should surround them — partners, family, community, providers and government — women will maximize their decisions for life. We oppose any measure that would penalize those who have already suffered grave hurt. In every pregnancy there are two people intimately connected, and we would surround both with love.” “We also reject the charge that our care commences at conception and ends at birth. The pro-life movement maintains a vast network of pregnancy centers that offer free care. The movement is building maternity homes, backing child and adoption tax-credit expansion, supporting massive alternatives-to-abortion programs in Texas and as many other states as will enact them. The social safety net has tears, but the solution is to sew them up — not dismember the children who should be swaddled in it. The Her Plan program of the Susan B. Anthony List seeks to help local partners identify and fill gaps. Another example of creative leadership is Mississippi’s groundbreaking $3.5 million tax credit for donations to pregnancy resource centers to help serve families in communities across the state.” Do they honestly think that they are going to smooth this over? |
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Post by aj2hall on May 14, 2022 12:01:22 GMT
This from the guy whose wife is knee deep in the January 6th insurrection? Hakeem Jeffries said it better than I ever could. This guy is amazing. Do Thomas and the Republicans not see the hypocrisy of their statements? Or just don’t care? Or think their supporters are uniformed and won’t know what they did? |
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Post by Merge on May 14, 2022 12:15:20 GMT
And if it was, as a lot of people think, a conservative who leaked the draft? Will he say the same thing? I’m more interested in the gawdawful content of the draft. ETA: A bit off topic, but this is the sort of bullcrap that forced birth advocates have begun to spew: 😡 www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/13/after-roe-pro-life-anti-abortion-movement-road-ahead/“Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves (R), whose state is at the heart of the challenge to Roe, has been exemplary in this regard, signing two new bills to boost pregnancy centers and other community-based supports for pregnant women and their children. Having spoken to more than 20 governors over the past few months, we have been heartened by the way statewide leaders are embracing this phase of the pro-life movement.” “Meanwhile, we agree that there is a role for elected leaders in Congress, and we will support the strongest federal protections we can achieve. It is worth remembering that legislation to protect unborn children from painful late-term abortions has already passed several times in the House and received majority support (though not the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster) in the Senate.” “ We know that angry countercharges to these statements will come. We should be clear. The pro-life movement has never abided, and will not now abide, criminal charges against women who seek or have abortions. Women are harmed, not helped, by abortion. Given support by the circles of protection that should surround them — partners, family, community, providers and government — women will maximize their decisions for life. We oppose any measure that would penalize those who have already suffered grave hurt. In every pregnancy there are two people intimately connected, and we would surround both with love.” “We also reject the charge that our care commences at conception and ends at birth. The pro-life movement maintains a vast network of pregnancy centers that offer free care. The movement is building maternity homes, backing child and adoption tax-credit expansion, supporting massive alternatives-to-abortion programs in Texas and as many other states as will enact them. The social safety net has tears, but the solution is to sew them up — not dismember the children who should be swaddled in it. The Her Plan program of the Susan B. Anthony List seeks to help local partners identify and fill gaps. Another example of creative leadership is Mississippi’s groundbreaking $3.5 million tax credit for donations to pregnancy resource centers to help serve families in communities across the state.” Do they honestly think that they are going to smooth this over? The phrase “maternity homes” makes me want to hurl. We do not need to go back to the days of sending a young woman away to give birth in an abusive environment and then forcibly adopting her child out to a “deserving” couple. They also seem to want to make people think they’re only opposed to late-term abortions (which are generally done only in exceptional circumstances) and not also early ones, which don’t involve the loaded words they use like “dismembering.” And then we’re also supposed to believe that these people who have been harping on lowering taxes and reducing entitlements for years are suddenly in favor of a robust social safety net? Please. Out of the other side of their mouth, they’re talking about destroying public schools and are opposed to living wage laws. |
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Post by mollycoddle on May 14, 2022 12:34:19 GMT
And if it was, as a lot of people think, a conservative who leaked the draft? Will he say the same thing? I’m more interested in the gawdawful content of the draft. ETA: A bit off topic, but this is the sort of bullcrap that forced birth advocates have begun to spew: 😡 www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/13/after-roe-pro-life-anti-abortion-movement-road-ahead/“Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves (R), whose state is at the heart of the challenge to Roe, has been exemplary in this regard, signing two new bills to boost pregnancy centers and other community-based supports for pregnant women and their children. Having spoken to more than 20 governors over the past few months, we have been heartened by the way statewide leaders are embracing this phase of the pro-life movement.” “Meanwhile, we agree that there is a role for elected leaders in Congress, and we will support the strongest federal protections we can achieve. It is worth remembering that legislation to protect unborn children from painful late-term abortions has already passed several times in the House and received majority support (though not the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster) in the Senate.” “ We know that angry countercharges to these statements will come. We should be clear. The pro-life movement has never abided, and will not now abide, criminal charges against women who seek or have abortions. Women are harmed, not helped, by abortion. Given support by the circles of protection that should surround them — partners, family, community, providers and government — women will maximize their decisions for life. We oppose any measure that would penalize those who have already suffered grave hurt. In every pregnancy there are two people intimately connected, and we would surround both with love.” “We also reject the charge that our care commences at conception and ends at birth. The pro-life movement maintains a vast network of pregnancy centers that offer free care. The movement is building maternity homes, backing child and adoption tax-credit expansion, supporting massive alternatives-to-abortion programs in Texas and as many other states as will enact them. The social safety net has tears, but the solution is to sew them up — not dismember the children who should be swaddled in it. The Her Plan program of the Susan B. Anthony List seeks to help local partners identify and fill gaps. Another example of creative leadership is Mississippi’s groundbreaking $3.5 million tax credit for donations to pregnancy resource centers to help serve families in communities across the state.” Do they honestly think that they are going to smooth this over? The phrase “maternity homes” makes me want to hurl. We do not need to go back to the days of sending young women away to give birth in an abusive environment and then forcibly adopting her child out to a “deserving” couple. They also seem to want to make people think they’re only opposed to late-term abortions (which are generally done only in exceptional circumstances) and early ones, which don’t involve the loaded words they use like “dismembering.” And then we’re also supposed to believe that these people who have been harping on lowering taxes and reducing entitlements for years are suddenly in favor of a robust social safety net? Please. Out of the other side of their mouth, they’re talking about destroying public schools and are opposed to living wage laws. I know that today’s conservatives are insane, but I am still struggling to believe that this is actually happening. Do they really think that they can just act helpful and fix this? Also, who really believes that conservatives are going to shell out $$ to help poor women and children? They are not developing a safety net, more like a patchwork quilt with a lot of holes. Much of it will be private, not govt. funded, which makes me even more skeptical. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 14, 2022 12:43:26 GMT
And to say no charges for the woman.... Texas only relented for the women who WAS JAILED(?) after a National outrage and the circumstances were blurred. Former said major punishment... So do many others.. truth is not their friend anyway!
The same vindictive party that wants to cut all services after birth...
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Post by epeanymous on May 14, 2022 13:01:37 GMT
An absolute, complete lack of self-reflection, or simply projection?
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Post by hop2 on May 14, 2022 20:30:53 GMT
Ok, so Roe v wade falls. Then what?
What happens when a woman denied an abortion due to medical issues dies? Can her remaining family sue? Whom would they sue? I mean there was a procedure that could have save her… what if both mother & fetus dies when one could have been saved? This is not always a pro life decision. It just isn’t.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 23:03:40 GMT
hop2 : I'd imagine that many Courts would be packed with like-minded (narrow-minded) Judges who believe that the fetus is the one to be "saved" at all costs. My mom reminded me of what life was like before Roe v. Wade + having a firm belief in the Catholic church. She knew women who carried a non-viable fetus to the end. They had to deliver the baby and suffer the mental anguish. She told me so many crazy situations but these women believed in their faith above all.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 15, 2022 4:33:53 GMT
hop2 : I'd imagine that many Courts would be packed with like-minded (narrow-minded) Judges who believe that the fetus is the one to be "saved" at all costs. My mom reminded me of what life was like before Roe v. Wade + having a firm belief in the Catholic church. She knew women who carried a non-viable fetus to the end. They had to deliver the baby and suffer the mental anguish. She told me so many crazy situations but these women believed in their faith above all. And how many women back in the day were just plain lied to? My mom was about 6 months pregnant with her first baby back in the early 1950’s when she needed an emergency appendectomy because her appendix was about to burst. She said that before she had the surgery (which wasn’t optional), she had felt the baby moving around, etc. but after the appendectomy it would just shift from side to side like a lump. Having never been pregnant prior to that she really didn’t know what to expect, but she knew something was different. I don’t know how much longer it was before she went into labor but the baby was stillborn. She said he was tiny. They had a funeral but because she was still in the hospital she couldn’t go to the funeral. She was sure that doctor knew her baby had died during the appendectomy but didn’t tell her or my dad. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 15, 2022 4:45:18 GMT
crazy4scraps how sad that your mom had to go through all that.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 15, 2022 16:18:05 GMT
I don’t think he has the insight or empathy to look at how he has negatively affected the court. He has been doing what he does for years and it has only gotten worse and more brazen. If he cared he would change his and his wife’s behavior.
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Post by Merge on May 15, 2022 16:30:01 GMT
hop2 : I'd imagine that many Courts would be packed with like-minded (narrow-minded) Judges who believe that the fetus is the one to be "saved" at all costs. My mom reminded me of what life was like before Roe v. Wade + having a firm belief in the Catholic church. She knew women who carried a non-viable fetus to the end. They had to deliver the baby and suffer the mental anguish. She told me so many crazy situations but these women believed in their faith above all. My cousin did that - carried her anencephalic baby full term, knowing it would not live. She said she “had to leave room for a miracle.” Still, her choice - and I wouldn’t take that choice from her. But women who aren’t prepared to deal with that emotionally should also have the choice to end the pregnancy. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 19:53:24 GMT
@merge I'm so sorry that she had to go through that. I know that my mom saw her friend get bigger each month (they were on a bowling league together) and my mom said that it was heartbreaking to know the baby wasn't going to live. It's traumatic, but, yes, it's a woman's choice and always should be.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 20:01:51 GMT
hop2 : I'd imagine that many Courts would be packed with like-minded (narrow-minded) Judges who believe that the fetus is the one to be "saved" at all costs. My mom reminded me of what life was like before Roe v. Wade + having a firm belief in the Catholic church. She knew women who carried a non-viable fetus to the end. They had to deliver the baby and suffer the mental anguish. She told me so many crazy situations but these women believed in their faith above all. And how many women back in the day were just plain lied to? My mom was about 6 months pregnant with her first baby back in the early 1950’s when she needed an emergency appendectomy because her appendix was about to burst. She said that before she had the surgery (which wasn’t optional), she had felt the baby moving around, etc. but after the appendectomy it would just shift from side to side like a lump. Having never been pregnant prior to that she really didn’t know what to expect, but she knew something was different. I don’t know how much longer it was before she went into labor but the baby was stillborn. She said he was tiny. They had a funeral but because she was still in the hospital she couldn’t go to the funeral. She was sure that doctor knew her baby had died during the appendectomy but didn’t tell her or my dad. That is just tragic all around. As though women are merely incubators?? Carrying a baby is difficult to begin with, but to be lied to like that is just sick. I'm so sorry. |
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