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Post by aj2hall on Jul 16, 2022 1:40:36 GMT
I’m not advocating a $3 billion plan, but I think there are ways to pass smaller climate change bills without making inflation worse. If you off-set the expenses with income from higher taxes on the wealthy (over $400,00) it should balance out. And I’m not sure climate change can wait until the Democrats get a bigger majority. Just bringing up Brooks’ point that perhaps Manchin deserves credit for his concern over inflation and maybe, in a backwards kind of way, he did the Democrats a favor by not potentially making inflation worse. But Manchin is a no on the tax increase. I know, I’m not sure why. I think he was on board before? I thought he wanted everything fully funded for 10 years. I’m not sure what changed other than 9% inflation. Eta - According to this he wants to see the August numbers on inflation before moving forward. And it sounds like the Democrats conceded to most of his demands. www.nytimes.com/2022/07/15/climate/manchin-climate-change-democrats.html |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 16, 2022 1:45:08 GMT
Re: Manchin I’m not a fan, his obstruction is infuriating. And he is a perfect example of why we need finance reform. However, Brooks pointed out that a year ago, Manchin warned about inflation. The economists and experts all thought it was temporary. Manchin turned out to be right. And perhaps an infusion of $3 billion dollars could have made inflation worse. www.pbs.org/newshour/So the people who are affected by the wildfires have to continue to wait before anything is done to address one of the main reasons the wildfires have become more frequent and deadly. Oh yeah let’s don’t forget the West and apparently parts of the mid-west are running out of water. Seen pictures of Lake Mead lately? Did you see that picture of a boat sticking out of the ground as sort of a monument to the demise of Lake Mead? Inflation is a temporary occurrence and yes people are hurt by it. No question. But the battle against climate change will be a long battle that will change how people live their lives. The longer this country waits to get serious about what it needs to be done the longer it will take to win the battle if can even be won at this point and the more damage will happen in the meantime. Sometimes hard decisions have to be made. Like should this country postpone getting serious about climate change until there is a better time when there is no inflation or Republicans controlling Congress, or bite the bullet and start the process now in spite of the inflation because we are running out of time. |
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 16, 2022 1:58:27 GMT
But Manchin is a no on the tax increase. I know, I’m not sure why. I think he was on board before? I thought he wanted everything fully funded for 10 years. I’m not sure what changed other than 9% inflation. Eta - According to this he wants to see the August numbers on inflation before moving forward. And it sounds like the Democrats conceded to most of his demands. www.nytimes.com/2022/07/15/climate/manchin-climate-change-democrats.htmlI have no idea. He was talking to Schumer about higher corp tax. The plan was raise revenues for the new spending, but ensure $.5T would go to pay down deficit. I suspect we’re not going to get anywhere. Not until we get a wider margin. For recon, the reality is we really only have 48 or 49 now, so, we're just spinning our wheels. I mean, we’ve been talking about BBB for how long now? Since last year? |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 16, 2022 2:39:24 GMT
Congratulations you just went a long way in proving my point about voters with this one comment “I think if you asked voters about their priorities in 2020, giving Democrats the majority was pretty low on the list.”
If the goal was to elect a Democratic President, why in heavens name wouldn’t these voters vote to give him a solid majority in the House and Senate so he could accomplish something? Or don’t these voters understand how government works? Or do these voters want to keep a status quo of nothing getting done that could actually benefit all Americans? And then there is this comment “ I don’t think anyone could have predicted in Nov 2020 exactly how obstructionist Manchin and Sinema would be.” To me that implies a bunch of voters in various states got together and decided to only elect enough Democratic Senators to give Democrats the slimmest majority possible. Which reminds me of a rant AOC went on a few weeks ago. After rambling on for awhile she demanded that two Democratic Senators be elected. She didn’t specify which two States had to cough up these two Senators but it had to be two. Gosh if only it was that simple. “I’m putting in an order for two Democratic Senators”. And this mysterious being says “Sure two random Democratic Senators coming right up”. The voters of today have to vote like their lives depends on it because they do thanks in large part to the three Supreme Court decisions involving guns, abortions and the environment. And based on some of the primary results they are falling short. Where specifically did I compare Susan Collins to either Walker or Jordan? You do understand that one can criticize folks without putting them in the same category of criticism? Right? Once again we are going to disagree. I’m basing my opinion on what has happened in the past and what I’m observing across the country from my lofty perch in Sonoma County. Maybe my opinion will change if enough people vote for Democrats and keep the Republicans from not only not getting the majority in the House & Senate but increase the the Democratic majority in both chambers. Oh and if Texas elects Beto as their governor. It can be done, but will it? People voted for Biden for a lot of reasons. Some voted for him because he wasn’t Trump. And it’s fairly common for people to vote for one party in the White House and another for Congress. They’re afraid of one party having too much control. And some people are probably perfectly happy with the status quo and/or that he hasn’t been able to push his agenda through. Not everyone agrees with everything he’s trying to do. And not everyone believes the Democrats are trying to help Americans. And no, I’m not suggesting it was a coordinated effort to keep Biden from gaining a majority. Just pointing out that the political climate in 2020 was different than now, priorities were different, etc. I think it also points to the advantage the Republican Party has in the Senate. There were only a few seats that could possibly be flipped. You blamed the people of Maine and 2 other states for not giving Biden a majority. I thought you were saying Susan Collins was one of those bad choices you keep talking about. The job of We the People is to form a functioning government by the people we elect at the ballot box. Right? Functioning means something is working. Right? Can you honestly say the current Federal Government is functioning? That it is addressing the problems that face this country? Let’s recap the last 20 or so years. And in no order. One of the two major political parties decided to check out and quit governing and concentrate on getting power anyway they could. Even if means cheating. A huge chunk of that political party is embracing The Big Lie and refuse to acknowledge President Biden is the legally elected president of this country. The last major legislation to come out of Congress that was not crisis driven was the ACA. I’m not including trump’s tax cuts for the rich as major legislation. The voters elected a two bit game show host with no experience in government. At some point the voters decide it would be a good idea to deliberately curtail the accomplishments of a president & Congress by deliberately voting in a majority in Congress opposite of the President’s party. Pretty much guaranteeing nothing will get done in the last two years of a president’s term. Does that sound like a functioning government addressing the country’s needs? Its not by a long shot. And yet, that is the government we have. And in some red states its even worse. One of the reasons the Framers came up with the electoral college is because they didn’t trust the voters to elect a president. Based on the last couple of decades they may of had a point and not just in electing the president. In my book, based on the current actions by the majority of elected Republicans, nearly all elected Republican are a bad choice. While she may be a bad choice there is no way Susan “I’m concerned” Collins is in same category as Jim Jordan. Nor is she possibly suffering from brain damage as Walker might be after all those years as a running back for professional football teams. And yet you lumped all three together. |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 16, 2022 2:56:19 GMT
And here is another example of a functioning dysfunctional government. Why in God’s name didn’t every member of the House vote for this?
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 16, 2022 3:04:54 GMT
I know, I’m not sure why. I think he was on board before? I thought he wanted everything fully funded for 10 years. I’m not sure what changed other than 9% inflation. Eta - According to this he wants to see the August numbers on inflation before moving forward. And it sounds like the Democrats conceded to most of his demands. www.nytimes.com/2022/07/15/climate/manchin-climate-change-democrats.htmlI have no idea. He was talking to Schumer about higher corp tax. The plan was raise revenues for the new spending, but ensure $.5T would go to pay down deficit. I suspect we’re not going to get anywhere. Not until we get a wider margin. For recon, the reality is we really only have 48 or 49 now, so, we're just spinning our wheels. I mean, we’ve been talking about BBB for how long now? Since last year? I don't know what kind of games Manchin is playing. He definitely likes the attention and he's not wrong to get the Democrats to focus on the economy. Bill Clinton was right in 1992 and it might be true now "It's the economy stupid" |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 16, 2022 3:30:43 GMT
People voted for Biden for a lot of reasons. Some voted for him because he wasn’t Trump. And it’s fairly common for people to vote for one party in the White House and another for Congress. They’re afraid of one party having too much control. And some people are probably perfectly happy with the status quo and/or that he hasn’t been able to push his agenda through. Not everyone agrees with everything he’s trying to do. And not everyone believes the Democrats are trying to help Americans. And no, I’m not suggesting it was a coordinated effort to keep Biden from gaining a majority. Just pointing out that the political climate in 2020 was different than now, priorities were different, etc. I think it also points to the advantage the Republican Party has in the Senate. There were only a few seats that could possibly be flipped. You blamed the people of Maine and 2 other states for not giving Biden a majority. I thought you were saying Susan Collins was one of those bad choices you keep talking about. The job of We the People is to form a functioning government by the people we elect at the ballot box. Right? Functioning means something is working. Right? Can you honestly say the current Federal Government is functioning? That it is addressing the problems that face this country? Let’s recap the last 20 or so years. And in no order. One of the two major political parties decided to check out and quit governing and concentrate on getting power anyway they could. Even if means cheating. A huge chunk of that political party is embracing The Big Lie and refuse to acknowledge President Biden is the legally elected president of this country. The last major legislation to come out of Congress that was not crisis driven was the ACA. I’m not including trump’s tax cuts for the rich as major legislation. The voters elected a two bit game show host with no experience in government. At some point the voters decide it would be a good idea to deliberately curtail the accomplishments of a president & Congress by deliberately voting in a majority in Congress opposite of the President’s party. Pretty much guaranteeing nothing will get done in the last two years of a president’s term. Does that sound like a functioning government addressing the country’s needs? Its not by a long shot. And yet, that is the government we have. And in some red states its even worse. One of the reasons the Framers came up with the electoral college is because they didn’t trust the voters to elect a president. Based on the last couple of decades they may of had a point and not just in electing the president. In my book, based on the current actions by the majority of elected Republicans, nearly all elected Republican are a bad choice. While she may be a bad choice there is no way Susan “I’m concerned” Collins is in same category as Jim Jordan. Nor is she possibly suffering from brain damage as Walker might be after all those years as a running back for professional football teams. And yet you lumped all three together. Hey, I'm on your side. I thought you were referring to Collins, Walker and Jordan as examples of voters bad choices. I disagree with her, but she's not in the same category as the other 2. I was only trying to point out that voters in Maine might have different priorities, see things differently and your "perfectly good candidate" may not have been the best choice for a number of reasons. And I agree that the system is broken. However, not everyone sees it that way. Trust in the government is at an all time low. Some people are OK with the status quo, don't trust or believe the Democrats, are afraid of socialism/communism/ Marxism etc or just disagree with the Democrats vision. The Republicans have very effectively waged culture wars, painted Democrats as extremists and convinced people to vote against their own best interests. We need 2 functioning parties but one of them is not. The Republican Party seems to be embracing extremism. I think this opinion has an excellent point about the vastly different approaches of the parties www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/06/29/democrats-adopt-game-theory-00043161Republicans attempt some unprecedented and shocking move; horrified Democrats respond by trying to be the adults in the room; and then the Democrats go unrewarded for it.
For now, though, the lack of any fulsome Democratic response simply sends the message that there will be no penalty for GOP transgressions. And the court’s conservative majority is just getting started. |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 16, 2022 3:40:40 GMT
Let’s hope they take that anger and vote for Beto.
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 16, 2022 3:47:40 GMT
I have no idea. He was talking to Schumer about higher corp tax. The plan was raise revenues for the new spending, but ensure $.5T would go to pay down deficit. I suspect we’re not going to get anywhere. Not until we get a wider margin. For recon, the reality is we really only have 48 or 49 now, so, we're just spinning our wheels. I mean, we’ve been talking about BBB for how long now? Since last year? I don't know what kind of games Manchin is playing. He definitely likes the attention and he's not wrong to get the Democrats to focus on the economy. Bill Clinton was right and 1992 and it might be true now "It's the economy stupid" That’s why I said in your thread that Democrats should not underestimate how heavily economic issues are weighing on people’s minds. It’s not that people don’t care about anything else. It’s about what’s foremost in their list of concerns/issues. |
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Post by pinklady on Jul 16, 2022 4:04:04 GMT
Holy shit, is this pic real? Maybe he’ll be dead by 2024.
Never mind, it’s fake.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 16, 2022 5:13:59 GMT
Let’s hope they take that anger and vote for Beto. I think Susan Collins is a cautionary tale. Throwing money at an election doesn’t guarantee success. I think Stacey Abrams has the right idea to register people to vote and to get out the vote. I know Beto has been going door to door, hopefully he’s on the right track. Abbott’s made some mistakes lately and I imagine Ken Paxton is making people angry, too. Maybe that will be enough to turn the tide, but Beto has a lot to overcome with all of the voter suppression. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 16, 2022 5:29:32 GMT
Beto is polling close. Not overtaken Abbott yet..
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 16, 2022 6:04:19 GMT
On a lighter note. Yelp just released the top 100 places to eat in the Bay Area. This restaurant shares the same building with a gas station. I think when the building was first built they imagined a grocery store where one could grab a couple of items after filling up the car. linkKeep in mind the Bay Area have some of the best restaurants in the world. And this is #1… “Yelp recently released its Top 100 Places to Eat in the Bay Area, and some of the results are surprising. For one, the number one restaurant on the list is not in San Francisco or Oakland, but in the Sonoma County city of Rohnert Park. The grand winner is Vinoma, an empanada spot that serves “the best empanadas hands down in the Bay Area," writes one enthusiastic reviewer, effusing about their plum and bacon and al pastor empanadas. "It’s located near a gas station, but don’t be fooled! This is definitely a not so hidden gem anymore."“ |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 16, 2022 13:23:02 GMT
7-16-2022
And rightly so.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 16, 2022 13:27:34 GMT
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Post by naby64 on Jul 16, 2022 14:32:20 GMT
Pine Bluff, Arkansas.. eight year old fatally shot by younger brother. Mother napping.. youtu.be/O2D_3B6mQ84 this is my town. It is frustratingly sad. And sliced local report said the other 6 children were removed from the home. Good luck in this part of the country taking guns away. Very large hunting community. Low education standards. This spot is close to where I grew up and about 3.5-4 miles from where I live now. |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 16, 2022 16:38:28 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 16, 2022 17:27:56 GMT
Hmmm…
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 16, 2022 18:11:43 GMT
As well as voting against BBB to improve roads and infrastructure.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 16, 2022 18:24:27 GMT
The New York Times is running a story about yet another attorney who was giving dumpster don advice on how to overturn the election. The Times somehow managed to get a copy of this memo. It did not copy well so that is why I’m only posting the first page to give you all an idea of what is in this memo. Copy of complete memo linkHere is the first page… PRIVILEGED& CONFIDENTIAL THE PRESIDENT WILLIAM J. OLSON SUBJECT: Preserving Constitutional Order DATE: DECEMBER 28, 2020 You willrecallthat we lastspoke about 5 pm on the afternoon ofChristmas Day, when I reportedthat,atyoursuggestion,IhadmadeacalltoActingAttorneyGeneralJeffRosen about 2 pm to discuss the Department of Justice's filing of an original action in the U.S. Supreme Courtbased on Texas v. Pennsylvania. You told me you would then callMark Martin, former Chief Justice of North Carolina, to discuss the concept further, and then call Mr.Rosen knowyoucalledMarkMartin,andthathesupportedfilingthecase. IwantedyoutoknowthatonDecember26,IreceivedatextfromMr.Rosenthat said he had read our article proposing the suit, but only said I think I understand your points . responded to him in a text with an offer to help , but heard nothing back . I emailed Molly Saturday morning, we began acting on your question about our team revising the complaint filed by Texas into what could be the first draft of a complaint filed by the United States . The lawyers with whom I have been working took on that task, and we now have a draft that could be presented to you to review, and by you to Mr. Rosento edit, improve and file. (A motion to accompany the complaint is also in the works.) Itis now the morning of December 28, 2020. I am assuming that the Attorney General is attempting to discourage filing such an action, or is slow-walking his response to you. I
believe that Department of Justice will do nothing except continue to run out the clock . While time to act was short when we spoke on Christmas Day, time is about to run out.In our long conversation earlier this week , I could hear the shameful and dismissive attitude ofthe lawyer from White House Counsel's office toward you personally but more importantly toward the Office of the President of the United States itself. This is unacceptable . The feeling I had was that not just was he not offering you any options , but that he was there to make certain you did not consider any. But you do have options |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 16, 2022 18:26:28 GMT
Here is the story to go with the memo…
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 16, 2022 18:31:12 GMT
And that 21% represents some of the poorest parts of this country. It appears these senators don’t care about the well-being of the very people who elected them.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 16, 2022 18:33:47 GMT
Texas chose this guy over Beto. Another example of….
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 16, 2022 20:43:47 GMT
New national suicide hot line number is coming.. 988: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline launches new 3-digit number By Jacqueline Howard and Veronica Stracqualursi, CNN (CNN)To reach the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline for mental health crises, it now takes only three digits: 988. So far, the dialing code to reach the lifeline has been 1-800-273-TALK, which will remain operational during the current expansion to 988. Text messages can be sent to the three-digit number as well. Veterans can now dial 988 and press 1 to reach the Veteran Crisis Line.www.cnn.com/2022/07/16/health/988-national-suicide-prevention-lifeline-launches/index.html |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 16, 2022 21:51:43 GMT
I remember this where there so many departures from dumpster don ‘s administration Rachel had to keep getting larger boards to list them all.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 17, 2022 2:30:38 GMT
Unbelievable!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 17, 2022 2:36:16 GMT
Disgusting and extremely cruel!! *** Watch them reelect Ron Johnson... |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jul 17, 2022 2:58:10 GMT
Disgusting and extremely cruel!! *** Watch them reelect Ron Johnson... Ron Johnson is a colossal ass. I really hope the good people of Wisconsin send him packing in November, but there are still a lot of Trumpers there. I can’t believe how many Trump 2020 signs and flags are STILL posted along the roadsides between our house in MN and our lake place in WI. SMDH, I thought all political signs were supposed to be taken down within so many weeks after an election, and yet here we are over a year and a half later. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 17, 2022 3:51:52 GMT
One of the world's leading space science experts predicted a "direct hit" from a solar storm.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 17, 2022 5:01:32 GMT
How does the fact that two men or two women chose to get married directly affect anyone? It doesn’t.
It’s a group of small minded people who think they have the right to dictate how other people live their lives for the simple reason they have a problem with it. And if they are claiming religious beliefs as a reason to dictate how a group lives their life, it’s their beliefs and they do not have the right to force people to live their life based on these religions types beliefs.
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