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Post by MichyM on Jun 24, 2022 0:00:01 GMT
Hello. My name is Michy, and I am addicted to using die cuts. 😁 And I need your help please. But seriously, I die cut nearly every time I make a card. A couple months ago I upgraded and bought a Spellbinders Platinum 6. The plate I use for the bottom (where the die faces) is completely chewed up. I mean so much so that die cuts are sticking to all the scratches on the plate and some have to be coaxed off with a pointy tool. Also, both the upper and lower plates are horribly warped. You might be shocked if I attached a photo. I did the JMcGuire weighted/hot water trick (which worked beautifully on my old machine’s plates), and while it got these 85% straightened out, within a dozen passes on the machine, they’re all curved again. What are you using for your plates? If you have a Platinum 6, are you having the same issues with your plates? Has anyone tried The Magic Mat in the Platinum? Or any other machine? What did you think? is there a different brand of plates I should consider instead? Thanks so much!
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Post by FurryP on Jun 24, 2022 0:17:13 GMT
I don't have a Platinum, but I have been using my plates forever. I have a Big Shot. They are scratched up, cloudy, and do warp, but then I run the next several times the reverse way to flat them back out. They are not perfect, but they do flatten out a bit. I am not changing the cutting side plate until it really is not working for me anymore.
ETA: I also move where the die goes around each time I cut. Hope that makes sense.
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Post by joblackford on Jun 24, 2022 0:21:25 GMT
I haven't used the Platinum - I was looking at it before it was popular, now it seems like everyone is using it but back then there were no reviews - but plates are definitely going to get chewed up, especially if you use them a lot. I did use a Magic Mat for a while and before that a DIY version with a self healing Olfa mat (or rather 2 because they were too thin) and while they produced nice results for a while eventually they also got scarred and wrecked just like the acrylic ones.
I don't flip/turn my plates every cut like people say to (it didn't help when I did) but I do try to use different spots on the plates where I can and to angle square cuts into the machine to lessen the cracking pressure. I scrub them once in a blue moon, never tried flattening them, but I often have to pick detailed die cuts off with a pointy tool. It's annoying.
I'm trying to make my plates last as long as possible but they are a consumable. (Amazon accidentally sent me a case of the extended plates when I ordered a pair, 6 times as many as I was supposed to get, shhh, but I still don't like to toss anything before it's totally trashed.
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Post by Ryann on Jun 24, 2022 0:22:09 GMT
MichyM I have the 8.5" Platinum and use the SB.com Magic Mats with them. They work together beautifully and have saved my plates from SO MUCH wear and tear!! I highly recommend them!
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Post by MichyM on Jun 24, 2022 0:35:47 GMT
joblackford and FurryP, I do all the recommended things as far as flipping, moving around and the like. Thank you! It’s so bad that the gap between the upper and lower (even though they’re both warped) is enough for the die and paper to move around pretty freely in there. Grrrr. Good to know that they are considered a disposable item though. These are just more disposable than I’d like them to be! Ryann , thank you. What are you using for your top plate? Just the one that came with your machine?
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Post by cmpeter on Jun 24, 2022 0:38:54 GMT
I have the Platinum 6 too. I move my die from area to area on the bottom plate, try and remember to flip it periodically. I haven't had any warping the the Platinum 6. I have replaced my bottom plate once, just started using my top plate and bought a new top plate.
The warping on my Gemini jr is horrendous, until I stared using packing tape to create a plate sandwich with the double sided green plates are (ala Jennifer McGuire). That's helped a lot with warping.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jun 24, 2022 0:45:58 GMT
I’m a die cutting addict too. It’s recommended only cutting into one plate and leaving the other pristine.
I solely use a Gemini Junior now - electric, easy on my hand due to an old, minor injury. Plus I’ve never had to shim a die. With my old manual machine I had sticky notes in the dies’ pockets with how to shim them or even where to shim.
People say their Gemini plates warp extremely quickly Mine don’t, but I’m religious about following recommendations by Crafters Companion. Maybe it would help with plates from any machines?
1) Flip *and* turn the plates with every pass 2) Put dies all over the plate, not just in the middle. It’s the tendency of many/most/all(?) of us to plop a little die dead center. That means all the pressure is in the center, and the plate will very quickly warp there. So spread those suckers out. Once in a while a plate will start to warp and I’ll run it through a couple times in the opposite direction of the warping, even without a die.
There’s no way I’d go through the boiling water process, then scrubbing the pots. Jennifer McGuire and Cathy Z have a newer way of keeping the Gemini Junior plates from warping by using a Gemini double sided plate and taping them together. But that wouldn’t apply.
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Post by azcrafty on Jun 24, 2022 1:28:14 GMT
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Post by riversong1963 on Jun 24, 2022 1:54:34 GMT
I've been using a Big Kick and Big Shot since 2004. I have never warped plates or cracked them. I flip them and change the placement of my dies every time I run the plates through the machine. The only time I change plates is when they are so scratched that masking/washi tape won't stick to them anymore. I cut die-side down, and I keep the top plate uncut.
I have an original Gemini, and I hate the older plates. Those warp every single time I use them. The newer ones are better and don't warp as much. I've found that I can use 3 Big Shot plates fed horizontally through my Gemini, and they don't warp at all.
I bought a Magic Mat for my Big Shot, and I don't like it. I have to use a chipboard shim, and the mat definitely warps and isn't self-healing at all.
I don't have a Platinum 6, so I'm sorry that I can't help with that.
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Post by pinklady on Jun 24, 2022 2:23:35 GMT
I have the white Platinum 6 and while my plates do warp, if I flip them, I can level out most of the warping. I only cut into the bottom plate and keep my top plate cut free. I also move my dies all over the plate so the cuts are not in one place.
I’m still on the original plates that came with the machine and I’m guessing I’ve had it about 7 months. I’ve never used the magic mat because it did not get rave reviews. I think there was a thread here about it.
ETA: I have noticed that when I use cover plate/background dies or large card front frame dies, if I don’t run them thru at an angle, that causes the majority of the warping.
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Post by GiantsFan on Jun 24, 2022 2:37:57 GMT
I've had my P6 for several years, maybe since 2017. I use one plate only for the bottom and one for the top. I flip them over every few cuts, keeping the original bottom plate on the bottom and the top on the top. So only one has cut marks. And I don't cut in the same spot each time. Does that make sense? My first set of plates I didn't do that and they warped quick.
I had the Magic Mat but didn't get good cuts. So I gave it to away.
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Post by scrapnnana on Jun 24, 2022 4:35:04 GMT
I don't have a Platinum, but I have been using my plates forever. I have a Big Shot. They are scratched up, cloudy, and do warp, but then I run the next several times the reverse way to flat them back out. They are not perfect, but they do flatten out a bit. I am not changing the cutting side plate until it really is not working for me anymore. ETA: I also move where the die goes around each time I cut. Hope that makes sense. Same here.
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Post by MichyM on Jun 24, 2022 17:37:03 GMT
Well, now that more of you have replied, I'm not sure what to do. Do I try the magic mat (which according to their site will require me to start using my metal shim), or do I replace my old bottom plate with another spellbinders plate (and the top one too since it's warped as well) and try to be even more careful about flipping the plates after every use. Decisions, decisions....
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Post by CardBoxer on Jun 24, 2022 18:40:45 GMT
Well, now that more of you have replied, I'm not sure what to do. Do I try the magic mat (which according to their site will require me to start using my metal shim), or do I replace my old bottom plate with another spellbinders plate (and the top one too since it's warped as well) and try to be even more careful about flipping the plates after every use. Decisions, decisions.... Flipping plus turning. You know, like a record album—remember them?—on a turntable. But just 180 degrees or it will be back where it started so what’s the point. 🤪 And ditto to joblackford who said to put larger dies at an angle. I think you’ll want a new plate anyway, right? What works for my Gemini Junior may not for your guy. Even when machines are the same brand, they can cut differently. Before I got Gem Jr., I had a set of layered dies that would not cut all the way so I brought them to my LSS. The owner has many different machines, electric and manual. The problem was with the dies, but what was interesting is that each machine cut differently, including two that were the same. They can loosen up over time or the factory tolerances can be just a smidge off. I applaud your die cutting addiction.
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Post by lindas on Jun 24, 2022 22:56:42 GMT
Well, now that more of you have replied, I'm not sure what to do. Do I try the magic mat (which according to their site will require me to start using my metal shim), or do I replace my old bottom plate with another spellbinders plate (and the top one too since it's warped as well) and try to be even more careful about flipping the plates after every use. Decisions, decisions.... If you decide to replace you might want to consider the new universal plate system Spellbinders just came out with. link. My plates don’t need replacing just yet but I do have a few dies that require using shims with and a couple of 3-D embossing folders so this new system is my list
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Post by grammadee on Jun 25, 2022 15:18:26 GMT
I use mine until they are completely marked up and ugly looking. They warp and make cracking sounds when I flip them to even them out, but they continue to do their job.
When i buy a new set, I try to keep one pristine for the top plate, but I always forget.
The only time the indents are an issue is if I am trying to cut a window in the front of a 5x7 card and need to fold the back behind a plate, in which case the texture of that plate becomes the texture of that card back.
I have not gone to the magic mat b/c I like my magnetic plate to hold the dies in place. Haven't looked at the new Spellbinders system yet.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jun 25, 2022 16:26:42 GMT
I use mine until they are completely marked up and ugly looking. They warp and make cracking sounds when I flip them to even them out, but they continue to do their job. When i buy a new set, I try to keep one pristine for the top plate, but I always forget. The only time the indents are an issue is if I am trying to cut a window in the front of a 5x7 card and need to fold the back behind a plate, in which case the texture of that plate becomes the texture of that card back. I have not gone to the magic mat b/c I like my magnetic plate to hold the dies in place. Haven't looked at the new Spellbinders system yet. Have you tried putting a piece of copy paper on the plate to eliminate the texture marks?
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Post by grammadee on Jun 25, 2022 16:52:42 GMT
Have you tried putting a piece of copy paper on the plate to eliminate the texture marks? No. I haven't done that. I am using my Vagabond II, and am leery of trying to force too much through it. To keep the fold crisp, I sometimes use my aluminum shim plate, so then I end up with an extra layer anyway. Maybe I could use the original platform with the adaptor plate which is smooth under the back of the card, but haven't tried that either. If I could just remember to keep just ONE plate nice and smooth!
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Post by CardBoxer on Jun 25, 2022 17:17:44 GMT
Have you tried putting a piece of copy paper on the plate to eliminate the texture marks? No. I haven't done that. I am using my Vagabond II, and am leery of trying to force too much through it. To keep the fold crisp, I sometimes use my aluminum shim plate, so then I end up with an extra layer anyway. Maybe I could use the original platform with the adaptor plate which is smooth under the back of the card, but haven't tried that either. If I could just remember to keep just ONE plate nice and smooth! Yeah, it only took me about five hundred years to get into the habit. 🙄 Generally a piece of copy paper doesn’t add enough extra thickness to matter. But I’ve only used your machine once at an LSS, so do feel free to ignore me.
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Post by grammadee on Jun 25, 2022 17:37:42 GMT
Generally a piece of copy paper doesn’t add enough extra thickness to matter. But I’ve only used your machine once at an LSS, so do feel free to ignore me. I am getting braver with this one (after about 250 years LOL), but I managed to break TWO of version one--both of which Sizzix replaced free of charge, the final replacement being version II.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jun 25, 2022 17:40:39 GMT
Generally a piece of copy paper doesn’t add enough extra thickness to matter. But I’ve only used your machine once at an LSS, so do feel free to ignore me. I am getting braver with this one (after about 250 years LOL), but I managed to break TWO of version one--both of which Sizzix replaced free of charge, the final replacement being version II. Yow! What happened with them. I’m guessing it was them, not you.
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Post by grammadee on Jun 25, 2022 17:50:27 GMT
Yow! What happened with them. I’m guessing it was them, not you. The first time was quite early in my use of it. I was cutting something a little heavier than usual, but was used to my Cuttlebug, where anything would go through if I could push the handle hard enough. The machine laboured and I kept pushing the button. Then snap! and it jammed the whole assembly inside. After I managed to unplug it and get it apart, it had totally quit, so I called Sizzix. The second one was their first replacement. I was pretty careful with it, so have no idea why it malfunctioned, but it actually shot the plates out toward the front! I called Sizzix b/c I thought it was a safety issue, and was surprised when they offered to replace my machine again--it was well past the warranty period. But they said they had replaced their first version with a second one and would send me the newer version. Neither time did they ask me to send the defective machine back. I am in Canada and the only return postage they could provide was US, so they told me to just keep the old machines. We dumped them at an electronic recycle place. I have had no trouble with the Vagabond II.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jun 25, 2022 20:04:22 GMT
That’s good service! It sounds like they knew there was an issue that they later solved? Be fearless! Well, not fearless. Bravely cautious?
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Post by justjac on Jun 25, 2022 21:45:42 GMT
I have been using the magic mat with my Big Shot and I like it.
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Post by sunflower on Jul 4, 2022 11:43:14 GMT
I have a Vagabond 2 and use the Chrome Plate from Sizzix for intricate dies and then 1 regular cutting pad on top. Works great and I have slowed down how many cutting plates I go through. Framelits or dies with large space, I use 2 cutting pads and no chrome plate.
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Post by kate on Jul 4, 2022 19:36:34 GMT
I use a regular Gemini, and I was going through plates SO FAST, even with flipping/turning. Then a friend got me a little greeen mini cutting mat from the dollar store, just because it was cute LOL. Well. I have been using it as a cutting plate in the Gemini, in place of that middle "frosted" plate, and my life.is.changed. My new plate still looks new (I do as grammadee and try to keep one plate "nice" as I purchase new ones), even after lots and lots of cuts. I am THRILLED! I do have to use a piece of cardstock as a shim, but I'm getting excellent, consistent cuts, and oftentimes I don't have to do a second pass for the embossing.
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Post by Embri on Jul 7, 2022 20:44:24 GMT
Die cutting is my jam! I use an original Sizzix (Big Red) but I've never had to replace the plate. I use a sacrificial piece of old kitchen cutting board and always put my dies paper/cutter up since the bottom plate has adhesive magnet sheet on it. Crushing edge of the die presses into the kitchen board. When they get too warped, into the recycling they go. Usually by that time there's a couple ready to retire from food prep duty as replacements. Buying a self-healing mat is another option, but I couldn't find one thin enough to work for ol' red.
But yes, cutting mat for the cut surface is a game changer. You save so much money, and it's quieter and not as rough on the machine too. May take a bit of fiddling to find the exact right thickness for your machine but once you do, it's aces.
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Post by Ryann on Jul 18, 2022 21:47:55 GMT
joblackford and FurryP , I do all the recommended things as far as flipping, moving around and the like. Thank you! It’s so bad that the gap between the upper and lower (even though they’re both warped) is enough for the die and paper to move around pretty freely in there. Grrrr. Good to know that they are considered a disposable item though. These are just more disposable than I’d like them to be! Ryann , thank you. What are you using for your top plate? Just the one that came with your machine? MichyM this is the stacking order I use for the Spellbinders Platinum: TopStandard cutting plate (Spellbinders) die (cutting side face down) material to be cut (felt, paper, etc.) Magic mat (6x14.5) Shim (i'm just using cardstock as I don't have a metal shim large enough) Platform (Spellbinders)
I often run the whole sandwich upside down. I've been using the magic mat since they came out (a year ago??) and will keep using them. I think they work really well and my plates don't warp now. I wish they made a magic mat small enough for the Gemini Go - those plates warp like crazy!
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Post by Embri on Jul 19, 2022 20:52:40 GMT
'Magic Mats' are nothing better than a self-healing cutting mat, the kind commonly sold for crafting. You can buy one and cut it to whatever size you need for your machine. Sure, it takes a bit of fiddling with the sandwich but after that it's so much more affordable.
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Post by MichyM on Jul 22, 2022 19:04:30 GMT
joblackford and FurryP , I do all the recommended things as far as flipping, moving around and the like. Thank you! It’s so bad that the gap between the upper and lower (even though they’re both warped) is enough for the die and paper to move around pretty freely in there. Grrrr. Good to know that they are considered a disposable item though. These are just more disposable than I’d like them to be! Ryann , thank you. What are you using for your top plate? Just the one that came with your machine? MichyM this is the stacking order I use for the Spellbinders Platinum: TopStandard cutting plate (Spellbinders) die (cutting side face down) material to be cut (felt, paper, etc.) Magic mat (6x14.5) Shim (i'm just using cardstock as I don't have a metal shim large enough) Platform (Spellbinders)
I often run the whole sandwich upside down. I've been using the magic mat since they came out (a year ago??) and will keep using them. I think they work really well and my plates don't warp now. I wish they made a magic mat small enough for the Gemini Go - those plates warp like crazy! Thank you. I ended up ordering a set of 2 replacemet plates, but as soon as they turn awful, I'm going to try the magic mat next. Just printed out your 'sandwich' and have it taped to the bottom of my machine so I don't lose it!
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