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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 16:34:47 GMT
I don't think he was bashed by a group of teens with hammers because he was Bosnian. He was bashed by a group of teens with hammers because he was WHITE.
The race of the attackers is not included in the article (hmmm...Darren White is still a WHITE police officer who killed an UNARMED BLACK TEEN...we still cannot read a single story about the August shooting without being reminded of the skin color of Wilson and Brown) but there's at least one witness who says that right before the deadly hammer assault on Begic, that the crowd was yelling "Eff the white people" and "Kill the white people"
This just makes me sick on so many levels. One would assume that hammers are not typical items kids carry around on their person as they hang out with their friends.
www.kwwl.com/story/27516018/2014/12/01/waterloo-native-beaten-to-death-with-hammer-in-st-louis |
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Post by gritzi on Dec 2, 2014 16:45:31 GMT
This sickens me also! The victim's skin color most certainly played a role in his brutal murder. So very sad!!
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Post by dreamer on Dec 2, 2014 16:49:28 GMT
This is just so so horrible! So upsetting the bias of the media
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 16:50:36 GMT
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Post by freebird on Dec 2, 2014 16:57:06 GMT
@gajenny, didn't you know... only white people are racist.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 16:58:09 GMT
That's just awful!
Why would these kids want to throw away their lives just to kill a white man? I can't understand it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 17:00:37 GMT
Perhaps Obama will send someone from his team to the funeral. I'm guessing Obama isn't going to say "could be my son" in regards to those arrested for this vicious, deadly attack on an innocent man.
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Post by redayh on Dec 2, 2014 17:13:58 GMT
It is horrible that this man is dead. Perhaps someone can direct me to the "kill and eff the white people" comments, because I don't see that anywhere. A link perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 17:36:18 GMT
It was a youtube video...terrible video quality...the comments were from the person recording. I'm looking for it now (I didn't bookmark it)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 17:39:53 GMT
It is horrible that this man is dead. Perhaps someone can direct me to the "kill and eff the white people" comments, because I don't see that anywhere. A link perhaps? |
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Post by redayh on Dec 2, 2014 17:42:03 GMT
Thanks. I have to watch it away from work.
Senseless killing of all kinds makes me incredibly sad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 17:48:00 GMT
Hmmm so we take a YouTube video as 100% fact and not the police investigation. I seem to remember people bashing others for believing witnesses to the michael brown case before the facts came out. But it's okay now? I'm confused.
This death is absolutely horrible and I hope the are all caught and punished by the law appropriately. I just don't see any so called facts that this is race based at this time.
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Post by PEArfect on Dec 2, 2014 17:56:53 GMT
Al Sharpton, Eric Holder, and all of the other race baiters are more hurtful than helpful. I realize that there are still racist people in this world, but I feel they are causing even more conflict and hate crimes. The only difference between them and white supremacists is that they are allowed, and encouraged by the current administration, to spread their hate. All of these individuals make me sick. I would rather see someone on the news talking about this MAN or this WOMAN. Not this black woman, or white man. People, not races.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 18:04:14 GMT
Hmmm so we take a YouTube video as 100% fact and not the police investigation. I seem to remember people bashing others for believing witnesses to the michael brown case before the facts came out. But it's okay now? I'm confused. This death is absolutely horrible and I hope the are all caught and punished by the law appropriately. I just don't see any so called facts that this is race based at this time. Did you read the court documents? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 18:09:22 GMT
Al Sharpton, Eric Holder, and all of the other race baiters are more hurtful than helpful. I realize that there are still racist people in this world, but I feel they are causing even more conflict and hate crimes. The only difference between them and white supremacists is that they are allowed, and encouraged by the current administration, to spread their hate. All of these individuals make me sick. I would rather see someone on the news talking about this MAN or this WOMAN. Not this black woman, or white man. People, not races. As much as I agree that Sharpton, Jackson, etal are race baiters and are far more hurtful to everyone...but they've been a problem for a long time...not just during the time period of this administration.
Too bad Obama couldn't collect the back taxes from Sharpton when he was at the White House for the meetings on the Ferguson riots yesterday.
But I also agree how wonderful it would be if we took race out of everything. How can it ever "no longer be about color" when color is inserted in everything?
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Post by redayh on Dec 2, 2014 18:09:29 GMT
I don't think some people have the capacity to see anything from the other perspective. Hmmm so we take a YouTube video as 100% fact and not the police investigation. I seem to remember people bashing others for believing witnesses to the michael brown case before the facts came out. But it's okay now? I'm confused. This death is absolutely horrible and I hope the are all caught and punished by the law appropriately. I just don't see any so called facts that this is race based at this time. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 18:10:13 GMT
Hmmm so we take a YouTube video as 100% fact and not the police investigation. I seem to remember people bashing others for believing witnesses to the michael brown case before the facts came out. But it's okay now? I'm confused. This death is absolutely horrible and I hope the are all caught and punished by the law appropriately. I just don't see any so called facts that this is race based at this time. Did you read the court documents? Yes. I don't see anything in there stating they were yelling those things. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 18:13:29 GMT
Did you read the court documents? Yes. I don't see anything in there stating they were yelling those things. There is documentation in the court documents of the gang of teens yelling at the victim. There's a witness that also describes the yelling.
I suppose during the trial, we may learn more about what the gang was yelling at the victim before they attacked him, but unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be a widely publicized trial and I'm not sure any of us will ever know the truth because it will not be reported.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 18:17:57 GMT
Yes. I don't see anything in there stating they were yelling those things. There is documentation in the court documents of the gang of teens yelling at the victim. There's a witness that also describes the yelling.
I suppose during the trial, we may learn more about what the gang was yelling at the victim before they attacked him, but unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be a widely publicized trial and I'm not sure any of us will ever know the truth because it will not be reported.
So because one person in a YouTube said they were yelling kill the white people and the court documents say they were yelling that must mean they were yelling what that youtube person said? Even though the detectives, mayor and cops are saying differently. Okay then. I don't see that as fact at all. And I find your claim of that just as much race baiting as you claim of Sharpton and Jackson. |
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Post by ingrid on Dec 2, 2014 18:25:42 GMT
The court documents just say the teens were yelling. I refused to hop on the "It was racially motivated!" bandwagon with the Michael Brown case and I refuse to do it with this one until we have more information.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Dec 2, 2014 18:27:47 GMT
Sadly too many people feel that hate directed at white people is not racist or discrimination. Too many refuse to see it. And of course this won't garner the coverage, the riots or the ratings.
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Post by betty on Dec 2, 2014 18:41:29 GMT
I read these teens had attacked another Bosnian man with hammers about an hour earlier near the same area. He was able to fight them off and escape with just minor injuries. Horrible!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 18:46:13 GMT
Sadly too many people feel that hate directed at white people is not racist or discrimination. Too many refuse to see it. And of course this won't garner the coverage, the riots or the ratings. I never ever said that racial things can't happen to white people. I just see absolutely no proof of that being the case here. |
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Post by ginacivey on Dec 2, 2014 18:49:37 GMT
people are killing one another in stl every single day
i don't believe they have anything to do with the brown case
there is a large bosnian population in stl
whether or not this was a racial killing...that is yet to be determined
it's a horrible thing - that we can all agree on
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Post by jonda1974 on Dec 2, 2014 18:52:50 GMT
There was no proof of racial bias in the Michael Brown shooting (in which an officer rightfully discharged his weapon against a perpetrator), but all we hear about is the race in that case. I don't know what was said, or what wasn't in this man's death, and I initially didn't see the race of the defendants listed, but my first gut thought was that it was related to the violent riots in Ferguson, and quite honestly, even if it was a racially motivated hate crime, no one in their right mind would admit to it in that area at this time. There would be the potential for an all out race war down there as volatile as it is at the moment. So yes, I believe the mayor and police would want to play down race being a factor even if it was.
The truth will out, and I hope these kids go to jail for the rest of their lives. Shame on their parents for not setting a better example for their kids. Shame on Michael Brown's parents for not raising him better. I am sorry for their loss, but they could have prevented his death.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Dec 2, 2014 18:56:30 GMT
I would imagine you would see a higher level of outrage if there were, I don't know, say eight witnesses and the youth was not indicted for the murder only one day after the incident.
I wonder if Robert Joseph Mitchell was asked to testify at his own grand jury trial. . .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 18:59:53 GMT
There was no proof of racial bias in the Michael Brown shooting (in which an officer rightfully discharged his weapon against a perpetrator), but all we hear about is the race in that case. I don't know what was said, or what wasn't in this man's death, and I initially didn't see the race of the defendants listed, but my first gut thought was that it was related to the violent riots in Ferguson, and quite honestly, even if it was a racially motivated hate crime, no one in their right mind would admit to it in that area at this time. There would be the potential for an all out race war down there as volatile as it is at the moment. So yes, I believe the mayor and police would want to play down race being a factor even if it was. The truth will out, and I hope these kids go to jail for the rest of their lives. Shame on their parents for not setting a better example for their kids. Shame on Michael Brown's parents for not raising him better. I am sorry for their loss, but they could have prevented his death. Well I have not spoken one way or the other on the ferguson shooting. So I'm not one claiming it was racial. At all. But there is no proof here this is racial either. To say it is is extremely disingenuous. And look at everyone jumping on that bandwagon because of a YouTube video. Sad. |
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Post by jonda1974 on Dec 2, 2014 19:31:51 GMT
I haven't spoken on the situation there much either. I'm not sure what anyone has posted, and I apologize if my whole post seemed directed towards you scrappower. I'm not saying it was racially motivated either, I haven't even watched the Youtube video so I definitely can't say, but I won't lie that my first gut reaction was that it was given the proximity, and I admit that was wrong. The one thing I will say is that I could see why, even if it was, they would want to downplay that at this time.
In regards to Ferguson, It's probably no wonder I was dismissed as a potential juror in the last case I was up for, because I answered that I would put more faith and stock in the testimony of a police officer of that of anyone else.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Dec 2, 2014 22:03:57 GMT
If the victim had a conceal carry gun, and used it, and killed his assailants some would say self defense, others would say he is a racist. That's where we are today.
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Post by msladibug on Dec 2, 2014 22:17:15 GMT
Shame on their parents for not setting a better example for their kids. Shame on Michael Brown's parents for not raising him better. I am sorry for their loss, but they could have prevented his death.
Why is it the parents fault? How could it have been prevented?
A parent cannot determine what their children (juvi/adult) will do, I don't think it's fair to blame the parents. These criminals make their own choices.
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