~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Dec 2, 2014 22:27:25 GMT
So where is Obama's cry of outrage? Where is the justice department investigation?
Why do we only hear from our president when the victim is black?
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Post by Nink on Dec 2, 2014 22:40:33 GMT
Shame on their parents for not setting a better example for their kids. Shame on Michael Brown's parents for not raising him better. I am sorry for their loss, but they could have prevented his death. Why is it the parents fault? How could it have been prevented? A parent cannot determine what their children (juvi/adult) will do, I don't think it's fair to blame the parents. These criminals make their own choices. I agree with you that parents absolutely cannot determine what their kids will do. BUT, when it turns out your kid was a complete thug and there is proof that what they did was wrong, but you still insist on blaming everyone but your child for their demise, then I don't think it's so far fetched to think that there wasn't a whole lot of actual parenting going on when you're willing to just turn a blind eye to it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 23:05:00 GMT
So where is Obama's cry of outrage? Where is the justice department investigation? Why do we only hear from our president when the victim is black? Hmm I wasn't aware the 25 children killed at Sandy Hook were all black.
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Dec 2, 2014 23:07:19 GMT
We're not talking mass murders. There's a difference between thugs or cops killing an individual and a psychotic mass murderer. Surely even you with your "Obama can do no wrong" mindset can see that
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 23:13:03 GMT
We're not talking mass murders. There's a difference between thugs or cops killing an individual and a psychotic mass murderer. Surely even you with your "Obama can do no wrong" mindset can see that It is also a fact that if the President expressed his outrage every time an African American is killed he would be doing it every day. In some cases twice a day. Your comment was out of line IMO.
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Post by pierogi on Dec 2, 2014 23:16:32 GMT
So where is Obama's cry of outrage? Where is the justice department investigation? Why do we only hear from our president when the victim is black? Hmm I wasn't aware the 25 children killed at Sandy Hook were all black. He was also really supportive after Aurora, which involved people we knew. I'm still grateful for that.
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Dec 2, 2014 23:24:27 GMT
Of course you'd think so, Krazy. But the fact remains that Obama has never come out to express sympathy or his outrage when a white person is killed by a black person.
If I'm wrong, point it out...Obama's support for the family of a white person killed by a black person? Ever
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Post by Nink on Dec 2, 2014 23:27:47 GMT
I like President Obama, and while yes, he did show up for Sandy Hook and Aurora and other tragedies of the like, in a way I have to agree with Lauren on this one. I think he should have stayed out of the Mike Brown incident. This was not a racially motivated case, it was a case of an officer being put in a position to defend himself. There was no reason for the President to be there. Very different, in my opinion, from the other two situations mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 23:29:53 GMT
Of course you'd think so, Krazy. But the fact remains that Obama never come without the final to express sympathy or his outrage when a white person is killed by a black person What high profile murder involving a black man killing a white man did the President fail to express his outrage? I'm sure you had one in mind when you made your comment.
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Dec 2, 2014 23:31:39 GMT
He has never expressed his outrage. That's my point
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 23:34:55 GMT
I like President Obama, and while yes, he did show up for Sandy Hook and Aurora and other tragedies of the like, in a way I have to agree with Lauren on this one. I think he should have stayed out of the Mike Brown incident. This was not a racially motivated case, it was a case of an officer being put in a position to defend himself. There was no reason for the President to be there. Very different, in my opinion, from the other two situations mentioned. That still doesn't change the fact that there is no proof that this case has nothing to do with race. And I agree he should've stayed out of the other case. But that is neither here nor there. The op is making accusations that have no proof backing them up. That is wrong.
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Post by Nink on Dec 2, 2014 23:41:10 GMT
I like President Obama, and while yes, he did show up for Sandy Hook and Aurora and other tragedies of the like, in a way I have to agree with Lauren on this one. I think he should have stayed out of the Mike Brown incident. This was not a racially motivated case, it was a case of an officer being put in a position to defend himself. There was no reason for the President to be there. Very different, in my opinion, from the other two situations mentioned. That still doesn't change the fact that there is no proof that this case has nothing to do with race. And I agree he should've stayed out of the other case. But that is neither here nor there. The op is making accusations that have no proof backing them up. That is wrong. I understand I went completely off topic here since I was referring strictly to the Michael Brown incident. I'm not willing to make a judgement on the hammer case until the dust has settled and the proof has come out. I don't think anyone should for that matter. ETA: When I said that I agreed with Lauren, I meant that I felt as though she was referring to Obama showing up for the Brown case being a wrong move. Maybe I misunderstood what she was eluding to.
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Dec 2, 2014 23:47:46 GMT
What was the "proof" that the Mike Brown incident was racially motivated? Didn't stop the allegations or the involvement of the media or Obama. But again, Michael Brown was black and Officer Wilson was white. Those were the only facts that mattered
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 23:52:12 GMT
What was the "proof" that the Mike Brown incident was racially motivated? Didn't stop the allegations or the involvement of the media or Obama. But again, Michael Brown was black and Officer Wilson was white. Those were the only facts that mattered I already said that was wrong. How many times do I need to?
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Dec 2, 2014 23:54:56 GMT
You had previously said Above that you believe Obama should not get involved. I do not not see any post which indicated that you believed that the Brown case was not racially motivated. However, if that's what you're saying, fine
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 0:12:23 GMT
He has never expressed his outrage. That's my point Let me get this straight. The President NEVER expresses his out rage when a white man is killed by a black man. But you can't or won't offer an example of such a killing that you feel the President should have expressed his outrage over. What am I missing here? I think the question you might ponder before you make your irresponsible remarks is this. If there had been a killing as high profile as Michael Brown that involved riots and the parties involved were not black would the President have expressed his outrage? I say he would because as President he would be expected to. Just like he did over the killings at Sandy Hook and Aurora. High profile events that involve mass killings and a killing that generates riots across the country will always require comments by the President regardless of the race of the folks involved. I will say it again. It is what we expect our President to do. So unless you have a specific high profile example of a event involving a black man killing a white man that generated riots that the President DID NOT comment on or express his outrage about you are blowing smoke. IMO
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Dec 3, 2014 1:05:28 GMT
I asked You to give me an example of one time when he did. Now you turn it around and want me to give you one? I've already told you, he hasn't done it. Don't talk to me about irresponsible. You have never shown the slightest willingness to open your mind enough to even consider that Obama might act inappropriately in any situation whatsoever.
Now, logically, it's impossible to prove a negative. Can you comprehend that maxim? If so, then you understand that if you are claiming Obama is equal handed or that he has stepped up to the plate when a black man kills a white man, then show it to me. Don't illogically claim I need to prove to you that he did not do so.
As far as "high" profile; that I blame on our liberal media who fail to report black on white crime.(or black on black crime for that matter). It's apparently not as newsworthy as white on black crime. Such reporting also doesn't lead to the riots and hullabaloo you see when they tout the white on black crime. (ie, doesn't create "more" sensational news)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 1:07:02 GMT
I think a valid question to ask is why black on white homicides don't become "high profile" events. Maybe we should ponder that... You got that right. THAT is the question to ask.
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Dec 3, 2014 1:08:40 GMT
And I answered that question.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Dec 3, 2014 1:25:55 GMT
Provide us with an example of a crime that has been committed by a black man on a white person, where you think justice has not been served. How many black men, who have killed white men are: a. Not Charged with a crime? b. If charged, found not guilty? They have suspects in custody who will be charged for the murder of the Bosnian immigrant. Justice is going to be served. I am baffled and saddened that people don't recognize there is an inequality of justice against persons of color in our society.
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Dec 3, 2014 1:38:22 GMT
I am baffled and saddened that some people see inequality every where; even when it doesn't exist in a situation. The cry of discrimination and racism is just soooo easy to use to raise emotions to the boiling point; whether or not it's actually present.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Dec 3, 2014 1:52:16 GMT
Riiiiggght. Racial injustice only occurs in everyone's imagination.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Dec 3, 2014 1:58:41 GMT
Maybe you are right. It is easy to raise emotions to boiling point. We see it often here. Just look how frothy people get over the annual fake "War on Christmas" and the cry that "Christians are being persecuted in our country".
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Dec 3, 2014 2:31:43 GMT
I know exactly what you mean; we see it all the time on the fake "war on women" that liberals froth about.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Dec 3, 2014 2:45:18 GMT
Yep, you are right Lauren. Attempts to stop women from having access to birth control? That's fake. Or, to keep women from getting equal pay for equal work? That's fake too. See some people just look everywhere for injustice, when there really isn't any. 
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 2:56:04 GMT
Yep, you are right Lauren. Attempts to stop women from having access to birth control? That's fake. Or, to keep women from getting equal pay for equal work? That's fake too. See some people just look everywhere for injustice, when there really isn't any.  Stopping women from having access to birth control? Really?
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Dec 3, 2014 3:01:03 GMT
What she means is access to "free" birth control. Because after all, every woman is entitled to birth control paid for by the American taxpayer. Because after all, what's important is the "choice" not the responsibility for that choice. For that, they expect someone else to make it all better.
Asking women to be responsible for themselves and their choices is not a war on women; it's called being a grown up and it applies to both men and women.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 3:13:44 GMT
What she means is access to "free" birth control. Because after all, every woman is entitled to birth control paid for by the American taxpayer. Because after all, what's important is the "choice" not the responsibility for that choice. For that, they expect someone else to make it all better. Asking women to be responsible for themselves and their choices is not a war on women; it's called being a grown up and it applies to both men and women. No kidding. I've never seen a story of anyone DENYING women birth control. There's a huge difference between denying a woman birth control and denying a woman FREE birth control. HUGE.
I'm surprised anyone still uses this as an argument.
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Post by azredhead on Dec 3, 2014 3:23:56 GMT
I loved Charles Barkleys interview about the whole race/ Ferguson crime issues. He was very well rounded in what he said. I will see if I can find the link to it. I heard on it on several different radio channels today when we were in the car. Very impressed with what he said. I hate videos but here is the written part from Washington Times but it's on several others. Charles Barkley sounds offThe case your talking about its just wrong wrong wrong it's just infuriating.
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Post by BeckyTech on Dec 3, 2014 3:41:49 GMT
This is probably because whenever a white person is killed by a black person we are always immediately told "race is not a factor". I think it says a lot when the mayor and police say race was not a factor while not revealing the race of the perpetrators. The media seems to be studiously avoiding revealing that fact as well. Things that make you go hmmm...
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