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Post by christine58 on Dec 2, 2014 22:25:19 GMT
Ok, I'm researching 5 Indiana colleges that offer bachelor and master degrees in physical therapy. Online would be best. Good luck...many online colleges are no longer accepted in many places of employment. Where I teach, they will NO longer even interview someone who got a degree from someplace like Phoenix. I am not sure you're being realistic to be honest. PT degrees are very very difficult....VERY difficult. You need to do some research to be honest. You have to have a graduate degree to be a PT...if this is something you want to do...look into the PT Assistant. But your best bet is to go to a college and talk to someone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 22:29:38 GMT
Ok, I'm researching 5 Indiana colleges that offer bachelor and master degrees in physical therapy. Online would be best. Good luck...many online colleges are no longer accepted in many places of employment. Where I teach, they will NO longer even interview someone who got a degree from someplace like Phoenix. I am not sure you're being realistic to be honest. Go to a college and speak to someone. PT degrees are very very difficult....VERY difficult. You need to do some research to be honest. There are online for-profit colleges, which many employers won't accept, and there are online arms of existing, fully accredited colleges and universities. Those are pretty much universally accepted because the institutions confer the same degree to someone who completes the program online as they do to someone who completes the program in-person. That said, for healthcare, online-only is not going to be an option because there are too many practicums required.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 22:34:56 GMT
My cousin is pursuing a degree in social work. In order to get a job as a social worker, she has to have a Master's. She's an internship and a class or two away from that. It has taken her nearly 10 years to do all that (most of it her own fault for not submitting the necessary paperwork in on time).
Depending on how quickly you need a job in a field, I'd consider a skilled trade, something where you could get certified within 12 months with at least half of that time actually working under someone. A while back, I saw that someone was looking for someone to learn how to lay tile. I had considered it, set it aside, and when I wanted to go back to that opportunity, I couldn't find the information again. Skilled workers like that can fetch a pretty penny if you don't mind labor. And I'm kicking myself because I could have an awesome looking bathroom by now if I had jumped on that chance when it came up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 22:36:50 GMT
And dental hygiene doesn't pay a lot and it's often part time. What about something like a plumber or an electrician? My brother and father are both electricians and make a decent wage. Not a ton, but not bad either. Both are union, so there is health care as well. But you work less if there a recession... That list looks like a lot of minimum wage jobs. Keep looking. You will find something that clicks. It depends on where you are. The college where I work has a dental hygiene program, and our graduates report rates as high as $50 an hour. It can be very lucrative in larger cities. For physical therapy, you would also need a master's degree. I know the CC here has a dental hygiene program and has a waiting list that is just as long as their nursing program's wait list.
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Post by Basket1lady on Dec 2, 2014 22:40:47 GMT
And dental hygiene doesn't pay a lot and it's often part time. What about something like a plumber or an electrician? My brother and father are both electricians and make a decent wage. Not a ton, but not bad either. Both are union, so there is health care as well. But you work less if there a recession... That list looks like a lot of minimum wage jobs. Keep looking. You will find something that clicks. It depends on where you are. The college where I work has a dental hygiene program, and our graduates report rates as high as $50 an hour. It can be very lucrative in larger cities. For physical therapy, you would also need a master's degree. I would imagine that it does vary by area. My cousin just graduated and lives on a Minneapolis suburb. She's been told that jobs are plentiful and pay well, but aren't full time and seldom are benefits offered. The OP is a widow without an ex to help in any way. Since she is starting from zero, I think it makes sense to really analyze her earning power.
OP, it's a tough decision and a real life change when so much else has changed this year. I've thought about this a lot, too. I'm a SAHM with a military DH, but with college expenses coming up, I'm considering re entering the work force after 20 plus years. In fact, we were just talking about this last night at dinner. Our family has definitely benefitted from having me home, but it does make re entry into the work force difficult. I wish you only the best as you make this decision.
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Post by myboysnme on Dec 2, 2014 23:05:11 GMT
I guess I'm a little late to the party but I have a BSW and an MSW. I have a clinical board certification and licence. I have been a social worker for more than 30 years.
There are a few jobs with the BSW but the field has evolved into requiring the MSW for most positions. The BSW rarely offers a living wage.
The best thing about an MSW is you can work in any area - schools, hospitals, businesses, criminal justice, counselling centers, with all ages and every kind of special concern you can imagine.
I started off with a BSW in child protective services. Then I worked in a high school in the classroom with special education students.
After I got my MSW I worked in the area of inpatient mental health in a community hospital. I went back into the Air Force and worked as a social worker in drug/alcohol, medical social work including NICU, peds ICU, peds, psych, HIV and oncology, domestic violence and child abuse. Then I went to an outpatient clinic setting where I was the Chief of Mental Health and worked with active duty military, families and special needs population.
I left there and went to work as a social work supervisor in an Army hospital. I left there and went to the VA where I work with long term spinal cord injury. I am also a union activist, as most all social workers are very liberal.
It is a female dominated profession and most men in the field rise to the positions of management. Because social workers generally help the disenfranchised, marginalized people of the world and because most are women, the profession is low paid compared to comparable professions. A Masters degree will generate an income often equal to or less than other professions with a bachelors degree.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Dec 2, 2014 23:10:28 GMT
One thing to consider is the work hours and child care options. Your kids are pretty spread out in age, so depending on your family dynamics, you may be able to use your older girls, but if that is not an option, and you don't have other family child care expenses can be a huge, huge factor. My cousin went in to teaching as a single mom primarily for the benefits and schedule that matched her children's schedule. While it certainly is not a lucrative career, when you factor in paying for school holidays - particularly summer - other jobs that pay more, may not actually net you more at the end of the day. I paid for full day camps for my kids during the summer when they were in elementary school and my husband and I both worked full time and it was shockingly expensive.
If you're good with numbers I'd consider bookkeeping. You won't make really good money unless you get a CPA and become an accountant, but you can do pretty well as a bookkeeper - you could look into a Quickbook certification and what the pay rate is in your area. At least the hours are usually standard business or even flexible.
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Post by myboysnme on Dec 2, 2014 23:11:10 GMT
Thanks for the information. I did know about the MSW for higher paid positions. It's such a tough decision to make. I don't want to waste my time or money on a degree that won't be used or provide enough income for our family. Thanks! If you get a BSW, some schools have an advanced standing masters where you can get the masters in 1.5 years instead of 2 years. You can support your family with an MSW. I do. But you will not support them with all the bells and whistles. The good thing is you will generally always find a job.
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Post by cycworker on Dec 2, 2014 23:27:23 GMT
What is interesting is that my friends have had a very different experience. They`ve found the MSW great and necessary for private practice and family therapist positions, but beyond that, they`re better off with the BSW because employers can pay you less. And I don`t just mean in the non profit sector. The social workers I know who are union and work for gov`t say the same thing.
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Post by Jili on Dec 2, 2014 23:34:04 GMT
At this point, I don't recommend anyone to go into education except if you train to be a school psychologist ( you'll need a doctorate) or speech therapist (need a masters). Both are not on the same salary schedules as teachers. The psychologist is about the only one in a school that can tell the principal to shove it and get away with it. Speech therapists often do contract work and make way more than the normal salary...my friend made $90k last year but no benefits as she didn't want to sign a district contract. I have to comment that I believe it probably depends where you are. I am a public school SLP in IL. I am on the exact same salary schedule as our classroom teachers, as are our school psychologists and social workers. Where I am, this is not a bad thing. We are well compensated, but not any more so than any of our other staff. There isn't anyone here who can tell our Principal to shove it (and not that we would want to, as she is the best), LOL. The only 'perk' that we get is that the school district reimburses us for our state licensure and ASHA certification, as this is required for employment and is above/beyond what is required of the teaching staff. We have teaching certification just as the teaching staff does. All of this is in our contract, as we are all part of the educator's union, and we all consider ourselves to be equal, yet specialized in terms of the jobs that we perform. I like that. School-based speech-language pathology is challenging. I work for a well-paying district, but when we have openings it is difficult for us to find candidates. The money is good, but the caseload and workload is crushing and school-based SLPs aren't perceived with the same prestige as our colleagues working in other settings, even though we are no less qualified. Most younger graduates these days are looking for hospital-based or clinic-based work (so I hear from the graduate intern I supervised this past spring). It can be a bit lonely, too. I'm definitely part of a team, but I am the only one in my position in my building. I have to problem-solve about certain things on my own, unless I do so via email with my other colleagues in the district (which I do, but face-to-face would be better, and there is no time for that unless we do it on our own, and we are so stretched as it is). I love my job but this is most definitely NOT a situation where you are able to walk out the door when the bell rings and show up the next day. There is a ton of outside work that must be done in order to keep one's head above water. I'm off most of the summer, but that varies from year to year, and I do a lot of preparation during that time and am always getting calls to read through evaluations, talk with parents, attend meetings, etc. I honestly am not sure whether having the summer time is worth squeezing what is very easily a 12 month job into 9 1/2 months, and the sacrifice to my personal and family time during the workweek. I'm struggling a bit with burnout after 23 years, so I am working hard to try to keep that at bay. Just my thoughts on this subject. As I type this I am actually still at work, taking a break from writing up diagnostic reports and treatment notes from earlier today. 
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Post by PEArfect on Dec 2, 2014 23:56:54 GMT
Ok, I'm researching 5 Indiana colleges that offer bachelor and master degrees in physical therapy. Online would be best. Good luck...many online colleges are no longer accepted in many places of employment. Where I teach, they will NO longer even interview someone who got a degree from someplace like Phoenix. I am not sure you're being realistic to be honest. PT degrees are very very difficult....VERY difficult. You need to do some research to be honest. You have to have a graduate degree to be a PT...if this is something you want to do...look into the PT Assistant. But your best bet is to go to a college and talk to someone. I was referring online courses to accredited colleges like Indiana University, Purdue University, IUPUI, Ball State, and Indiana Wesleyan. I wouldn't bother with others. I will definitely talk to someone in person when I narrow my options down. I have to be realistic about location. It's not possible for me to travel 6 hours daily either. The nearest college to me is Indiana University of South Bend and that is going to be almost 2 hours round trip daily.
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Post by PEArfect on Dec 3, 2014 0:01:43 GMT
It depends on where you are. The college where I work has a dental hygiene program, and our graduates report rates as high as $50 an hour. It can be very lucrative in larger cities. For physical therapy, you would also need a master's degree. I would imagine that it does vary by area. My cousin just graduated and lives on a Minneapolis suburb. She's been told that jobs are plentiful and pay well, but aren't full time and seldom are benefits offered. The OP is a widow without an ex to help in any way. Since she is starting from zero, I think it makes sense to really analyze her earning power.
OP, it's a tough decision and a real life change when so much else has changed this year. I've thought about this a lot, too. I'm a SAHM with a military DH, but with college expenses coming up, I'm considering re entering the work force after 20 plus years. In fact, we were just talking about this last night at dinner. Our family has definitely benefitted from having me home, but it does make re entry into the work force difficult. I wish you only the best as you make this decision. Thank you. Definitely a lot of changes for all of us. It's overwhelming. I'm just starting to feel like 'yes I can do this!'
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Post by PEArfect on Dec 3, 2014 0:07:52 GMT
Thanks for the information. I did know about the MSW for higher paid positions. It's such a tough decision to make. I don't want to waste my time or money on a degree that won't be used or provide enough income for our family. Thanks! If you get a BSW, some schools have an advanced standing masters where you can get the masters in 1.5 years instead of 2 years. You can support your family with an MSW. I do. But you will not support them with all the bells and whistles. The good thing is you will generally always find a job. That's one positive that was drawing me to it. There are a lot of different areas for job opprotunities. At Indiana Wesleyan you can get a MSW all through online courses.
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Post by sillyrabbit on Dec 3, 2014 1:14:36 GMT
My boss is an LCSW. She has her BSW, her MSW, and some additional training. She has a counseling practice and is insurance billable. She makes fairly good money and is her own boss. She also finds her job very rewarding. It is incredible the things people have endured in their lives.
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Post by Sassenach on Dec 3, 2014 1:35:19 GMT
Have you considered being a diagnostic medical sonographer (ultrasound tech)? It is a two year degree program and the salary is very good.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 1:48:33 GMT
Have you considered being a diagnostic medical sonographer (ultrasound tech)? It is a two year degree program and the salary is very good. A family friend was one but she had to go to a technical college for it and it was 3 gruelling years of Xray technology and then specialized in ultrasound. She loved her job and retired a couple of years ago because she is retirement age. (She wants to travel and spend time with the grandkids. She loved her job. If you can become an medical sonographer in 2 years that is awesome. The pay is excellent, very interesting work, her working conditions were excellent and she loved it!
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Post by eleezybeth on Dec 3, 2014 1:55:42 GMT
Another BSW MSW here. Myboysnme and I have very (eerily in fact) similar career paths.
I would recommend the MSW. But please consider finding a school that allows for an advance standing program. This is basically a 5 year masters if you do the traditional route (I think my friend went to Ball State for her MSW!) Even without your clinical license you will always be able to find a job. I'm not sure what federal opportunities you have but they tend to pay better. I'm sorry I can't remember which city you live in, but if you are near any military installation or VA, go that route. Go on USAjobs.gov and search federal jobs in your area. Granted this will change but see what they are recruiting for. While the pay might not be astronomical with the feds you have to put it into perspective of what a BSW will earn you. When you search, make sure you look for all the social science areas. You won't be a therapist, but you can be an advocate and a 100 other things. There is so much more to social work than working at CPS!!
One of the benefits of a BSW vs. a BA in psych is that you are truly a generalist. Lots of jobs open up for generalists. Ginsberg wrote a book about careers in social work. Pretty interesting read if you are trying to see if the degree works for you.
So while I love what I do and I know it is my calling, I don't know if I were in your shoes I'd recommend it without knowing your job market. Your girls are older so it might be possible to work shift work which is something I fear of becoming a nurse (I know there are lots of other options but...) However, I like the idea that you can enter the work force at multiple levels in nursing. Start with a CNA, LP/VN, RN, BSN.
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Post by PEArfect on Dec 3, 2014 3:09:03 GMT
Have you considered being a diagnostic medical sonographer (ultrasound tech)? It is a two year degree program and the salary is very good. No, I had not considered that.
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Post by PEArfect on Dec 3, 2014 3:14:41 GMT
Another BSW MSW here. Myboysnme and I have very (eerily in fact) similar career paths. I would recommend the MSW. But please consider finding a school that allows for an advance standing program. This is basically a 5 year masters if you do the traditional route (I think my friend went to Ball State for her MSW!) Even without your clinical license you will always be able to find a job. I'm not sure what federal opportunities you have but they tend to pay better. I'm sorry I can't remember which city you live in, but if you are near any military installation or VA, go that route. Go on USAjobs.gov and search federal jobs in your area. Granted this will change but see what they are recruiting for. While the pay might not be astronomical with the feds you have to put it into perspective of what a BSW will earn you. When you search, make sure you look for all the social science areas. You won't be a therapist, but you can be an advocate and a 100 other things. There is so much more to social work than working at CPS!!
One of the benefits of a BSW vs. a BA in psych is that you are truly a generalist. Lots of jobs open up for generalists. Ginsberg wrote a book about careers in social work. Pretty interesting read if you are trying to see if the degree works for you. So while I love what I do and I know it is my calling, I don't know if I were in your shoes I'd recommend it without knowing your job market. Your girls are older so it might be possible to work shift work which is something I fear of becoming a nurse (I know there are lots of other options but...) However, I like the idea that you can enter the work force at multiple levels in nursing. Start with a CNA, LP/VN, RN, BSN. This was one thing that interest me about social work. The possibilities. Thank you for all of the information. I will check out USAjobs.gov. I live close to South Bend, Indiana.
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Post by Leone on Dec 3, 2014 3:17:16 GMT
Good advice about avoiding the for profit online universities...such as University of Phoenix. I have 32 credits with University of Phoenix just to keep my credentials and the classes were a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 4:10:37 GMT
I'm a sahm right now but I need to get back into the work force and will also have to go back to college in order to do so. But in the meantime a friend of mine suggested that I apply to be a Sub in our school district. I can take a job here and there, and pick and choose what days work for me rather than vice versa. Maybe you can look into that for right now? Or while you are going to school online? It would definitely be a good fit while you have 3 kids in school. Just a thought I wanted to throw out there.
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Post by pridemom on Dec 3, 2014 4:11:23 GMT
There are plenty of jobs for BSW. A Masters of Social Work is more for those who want to do clinical work, counseling, etc. I have a BS in Human Services, the difference between it and BSW is the internship is much shorter than if I had gotten a BSW. I worked for a non-profit social services agency for 5years, now I work in workforce development.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 4:24:18 GMT
My daughter is in her junior year working toward her BSW. She too know she'll need to get her Masters. She wants to work with LGBT teens. So I see her working in school environments and possibly counseling environments. She was just notified of her spring semester internship first choice and it looks like she'll be getting some real world experience for her future goals in this position.
I worry whether she'll be able to support herself but she's passionate about helping this particular community so she'll find a way.
ETA: just read further and see how your current situation is dictating your possible choices. I'm so sorry your are having to face these tough challenges. Obviously my daughter doesn't have the same hurdles you do. I wish for you a successful path to a new career.
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Post by PEArfect on Dec 3, 2014 5:23:21 GMT
My daughter is in her junior year working toward her BSW. She too know she'll need to get her Masters. She wants to work with LGBT teens. So I see her working in school environments and possibly counseling environments. She was just notified of her spring semester internship first choice and it looks like she'll be getting some real world experience for her future goals in this position. I worry whether she'll be able to support herself but she's passionate about helping this particular community so she'll find a way. ETA: just read further and see how your current situation is dictating your possible choices. I'm so sorry your are having to face these tough challenges. Obviously my daughter doesn't have the same hurdles you do. I wish for you a successful path to a new career. Thank you! How exciting for your daughter!
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Dec 3, 2014 8:22:38 GMT
I work in health care and we hire MSWs for our social workers but RDs for our dietitians. In our area, it is often more difficult to find dietitians. We are a niche health care industry, so there can be opportunities for SW and RDs in health care, in our case dealing with chronically ill patients.
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Post by pretzels on Dec 3, 2014 11:49:58 GMT
It depends on where you are. The college where I work has a dental hygiene program, and our graduates report rates as high as $50 an hour. It can be very lucrative in larger cities. For physical therapy, you would also need a master's degree. I know the CC here has a dental hygiene program and has a waiting list that is just as long as their nursing program's wait list. Our program can only hold 30 students at a time. They have to do lots of clinical hours. We have our own dental hygiene clinic that the school owns, and it provides dental hygienic care for a very low cost (there is a supervising dentist), but it can only hold so many students. So our students typically do a year to a year and a half of pre-reqs and then apply to the DH program. Ours is very competitive, with not only academic standards but also community service requirements; there are applicants with biology degrees from large universities who have to apply two or three times in order to get in.
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Post by anxiousmom on Dec 3, 2014 13:05:37 GMT
Every one else has more than covered the bachelor's vs. master's degrees and salaries...but there is something else to consider (or at least in my opinion.)
To be in a social services job, you have to know your personality and what you are capable of handling-by that I mean what you can emotionally withstand. You deal with the most, I don't know, broken? maybe and it can be so hard to see that every day. I heard someone use the term "exhaustion of empathy" one time and it is exactly the right way to explain the overwhelming feelings that can come up.
I always thought I wanted to work in a social services field. I have a BA, but not in social work. I was able to find a job that was in what was considered social services, but didn't require a BSW. I lasted about 3 years. I tend to be an overly empathetic personality and it absolutely was the most draining, most exhausting job I have ever had. It wasn't the work, it was the brokenness of the people I saw that I couldn't fix or couldn't provide the resources to fix.
So know yourself. Maybe volunteer somewhere before you make that huge commitment. It is more than having a helping personality, it is also having a personality that can withstand the emotional battering it will take.
It is a calling for sure...in my short time doing the job, I saw some of the single most amazing people who were able to do this kind of work and I was in awe of them.
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Post by jesslee on Dec 3, 2014 13:39:42 GMT
I work in a hospital and we are just looking at hiring a clinicial social worker for one of our outpatient practices. During a planning meeting an administrator commented that they will be hiring a clinicial social worker (Masters degree) rather than someone with a Bachelors degree because 1. He can pay them what they would pay someone with a bachelors degree and 2. we can bill for services and recoupe some of the cost. I was somewhat taken aback by that. How awful that the person with the advanced degree is not being paid more. That statement just bothered me. My sister is a social worker and she worked with children for years and just burnt out. Now she works in a nursing home and loves it. Though she is not doing social work.
I would highly suggest anything in the medical field. The need is just increasing. I agree with others on the sonographer. Its a 2 year degree and the pay is excellent. The local college has a wait list for that program but its worth it. Nursing is a great career to get into. The pay is excellent and you can work in many areas and places. Don't just think hospitals and 3rd shift. You can do many other things as a nurse.
another suggestion would be looking into the Nurse Practitioner or Physician Assistant program. They are rewarding careers. They are masters degree level but you are working with patients. We hire PA in the practices and in the ER. Our NP's work in our clinics and practices. its a great career and they are very well paid. Another bonus is that when we hire a PA or NP we pay for the majority of their student loans. We pay for licensing, continuing education, yearly bonuses. Just a thought.
If you have any questions let me know. Best of luck to you and I'm so sorry hear about your loss.
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Post by PEArfect on Dec 3, 2014 13:58:59 GMT
Thank you!
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