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Post by femalebusiness on Jul 19, 2022 19:54:26 GMT
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 19, 2022 19:58:08 GMT
Whaaaat? This is awful.
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Post by Zee on Jul 19, 2022 20:39:07 GMT
What is it? I normally don't click on links posted here unless I know what they are. I got two different reels when I did click, one showed a girl carrying weights underwater and the second showed someone taking about something about traveling and I hit the back button.
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Post by Lexica on Jul 19, 2022 20:52:55 GMT
That is disgusting! This was at a park they paid to get into? The person in that suit needs to be outed and fired. Shame on the people she tried to get to do something for just blowing her off and not doing something about it. I can understand that they might not know who was in that costume that day, but she should have found out. Take the mother’s phone number, follow up on what happened, and fire that discriminating excuse for a child entertainer. The little one in the pink looked confused and dejected. It makes me want to do something about it too. Surely given the date and time, someone there can identify the person in that suit. You don’t take a job like that if you are going to hurt children’s feelings.
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Post by Anita on Jul 19, 2022 20:54:19 GMT
What is it? I normally don't click on links posted here unless I know what they are. I got two different reels when I did click, one showed a girl carrying weights underwater and the second showed someone taking about something about traveling and I hit the back button. It's a video of a person in a Sesame Street character costume high-fiving kids along a parade route. When they reached some AA girls, they shook their finger at them and walked on by, refusing to high five them.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jul 19, 2022 21:17:47 GMT
The look on those little girl's faces is absolutely heartbreaking.
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Post by Zee on Jul 19, 2022 21:19:37 GMT
What is it? I normally don't click on links posted here unless I know what they are. I got two different reels when I did click, one showed a girl carrying weights underwater and the second showed someone taking about something about traveling and I hit the back button. It's a video of a person in a Sesame Street character costume high-fiving kids along a parade route. When they reached some AA girls, they shook their finger at them and walked on by, refusing to high five them. 😲😟
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 19, 2022 21:32:49 GMT
What is it? I normally don't click on links posted here unless I know what they are. I got two different reels when I did click, one showed a girl carrying weights underwater and the second showed someone taking about something about traveling and I hit the back button. I think link is messed up I got even more different reels every time I clicked. We're not all seeing the intended video.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jul 19, 2022 21:42:13 GMT
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Post by iowgirl on Jul 19, 2022 21:42:17 GMT
ON my first watch I was aghast. But I think I need more video and context of what is going on. At first glance it does seem that the 'monster' is skipping over the girls and shaking his hands in a 'no' manner.
He high-fived the lady before them, then immediately shook his 'no' finger at her (she is white) and it seemed it was continuing the 'no' movements as it walked along... so what gives.
Her comments say that it hugged the little white girl next to them, but the video doesn't show it. So I don't know.
I have been burned to many times by only seeing a small sampling of the video and having the context skewed because of this.
At least I really hope its not as bad as it looks!
Edit to add this from Sesame Place. Honestly - how can people even see much out of those costumes!
On Monday, the park — which is one of the two Sesame Street–themed parks owned and operated by SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment — issued a statement apologizing for the incident, which it characterized as a misunderstanding. “The costumes our performers wear sometimes make it difficult to see at lower levels and sometimes our performers miss hug requests from guests,” the statement said. It also stated that the person inside the costume “confirmed that the ‘no’ hand gesture seen several times in the video was not directed to any specific person,” claiming that it was “a response to multiple requests from someone in the crowd who asked Rosita to hold their child for a photo which is not permitted.” The statement continued, “The Rosita performer did not intentionally ignore the girls and is devastated about the misunderstanding.”
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Post by Skellinton on Jul 19, 2022 21:49:37 GMT
ON my first watch I was aghast. But I think I need more video and context of what is going on. At first glance it does seem that the 'monster' is skipping over the girls and shaking his hands in a 'no' manner. He high-fived the lady before them, then immediately shook his 'no' finger at her (she is white) and it seemed it was continuing the 'no' movements as it walked along... so what gives. Her comments say that it hugged the little white girl next to them, but the video doesn't show it. So I don't know. I have been burned to many times by only seeing a small sampling of the video and having the context skewed because of this. At least I really hope its not as bad as it looks! There are several other posts similar. The first one I saw it was blatant. One other I saw (also Rosita) was also blatant, another one I saw was not (Rosita hugged one child who appeared to be black then skipped the next group of black girls). Obviously there is a huge problem that needs to be addressed by Sesame Place. Personally, I think it would probably be in their best interest to just have parades be watch only, no contact. Just waving. Save the hugs for the meet and greets. I have been in Disneyland with my nephew, who is white, and he has been ignored in parades when kids next to him were hugged and hive fived and it is very upsetting to little kids. They don't understand. I'm not saying that is at all What happened here. What was in the videos I saw was the blatant racism. There is no reason for Rosita to be shaking her finger at the girls.
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Post by myshelly on Jul 19, 2022 22:04:41 GMT
Am I the only one who just doesn’t see it the way the mom is describing it?
It’s a parade. The character is supposed to keep walking. She can’t possibly stop to hug every singe kid on the route.
Nothing about this looks racist or even intentional to me.
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Post by alsomsknit on Jul 19, 2022 22:12:48 GMT
The finger shake looked to be at the person standing directly before the girls. However, the hand shake looked to be dismissive of them.
I don’t know. I get these characters need to keep moving, which means every child along that route is not going to get their high five or hug. The optics are pretty bad though.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jul 19, 2022 22:14:35 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 19, 2022 22:53:41 GMT
ON my first watch I was aghast. But I think I need more video and context of what is going on. At first glance it does seem that the 'monster' is skipping over the girls and shaking his hands in a 'no' manner. He high-fived the lady before them, then immediately shook his 'no' finger at her (she is white) and it seemed it was continuing the 'no' movements as it walked along... so what gives. Her comments say that it hugged the little white girl next to them, but the video doesn't show it. So I don't know. I have been burned to many times by only seeing a small sampling of the video and having the context skewed because of this. At least I really hope its not as bad as it looks! There are several other posts similar. The first one I saw it was blatant. One other I saw (also Rosita) was also blatant, another one I saw was not (Rosita hugged one child who appeared to be black then skipped the next group of black girls). Obviously there is a huge problem that needs to be addressed by Sesame Place. Personally, I think it would probably be in their best interest to just have parades be watch only, no contact. Just waving. Save the hugs for the meet and greets. I have been in Disneyland with my nephew, who is white, and he has been ignored in parades when kids next to him were hugged and hive fived and it is very upsetting to little kids. They don't understand. I'm not saying that is at all What happened here. What was in the videos I saw was the blatant racism. There is no reason for Rosita to be shaking her finger at the girls. If misunderstanding can happen so easily like this, I agree, maybe the parade should be no contact. The kids don't understand why some get hugs and some don't. It does seem that if some white people are getting a "no" and some black kids are getting hugs, then it isn't racially motivated.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 19, 2022 23:21:38 GMT
I saw a second video on Instagram yesterday where it happened again. Not quite as blatant as the first video but it seems like a pattern.
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Post by katlady on Jul 19, 2022 23:28:51 GMT
There are a few videos out there of that character skipping AA children. In one video, she is hugging/playing with kids sitting on the ground or in a stroller, and then she skips the AA child next to them. So I don’t believe it is a costume issue where the person can’t see low to the ground.
ETA - If they can’t hug/high five every kid, they should stop doing it. The little ones don’t understand why they are overlooked, if it is unintentional.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 19, 2022 23:32:27 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 20, 2022 1:10:43 GMT
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Post by used2scrap on Jul 20, 2022 3:00:25 GMT
If I recall the dark ages ago when we took the kids to Sesame Place, they were adamant about the kids being behind the line for parade safety.
The video looks awful and the kids look sad; and anyone who has been to Disney has seen hundreds of kids have varying levels of character interactions running the gamut from joyful hugs to being ignored because it’s break time or they don’t see them or the person in the suit is about to die or whatever. And some people shake it off and other parents get upset and with the internet it’s all over now and people have higher expectations for what experience they *might* have with characters.
Idk maybe Rosita is racist as hell, maybe she’s supposed to high five every 4th kid, maybe she didn’t want to encourage more kids to come out over the line?
I do hope the family was able to have the personal meet and greet Sesame Place offered after it was brought to their attention.
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Post by melanell on Jul 20, 2022 15:03:49 GMT
I definitely think the parades should be no contact. It's just asking for trouble. They cannot give time to every kid, which means kids will be upset. The characters don't speak, so if they need to respond in the negative to something (Which, really, they shouldn't---they should have non-costumed employees with them to handle that kind of thing), but if they do, then shaking their hand, head, finger, is their only choice.
But above all of this, there needs to be something done if people (children!) are walking away from Sesame Place feeling like they've been discriminated against. I mean seriously---Sesame Place and racism should not go hand & hand. It may be innocent in a few cases; and Sesame Place may be claiming it's been innocent in every case; but that's not how people feel, and with multiple videos out there, it's not going to be how it looks, either.
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Post by kmcginn on Jul 20, 2022 16:08:59 GMT
I think this definitely looked racist. The finger shake appeared to be to the woman before the little girls - and the article said as much - but she certainly purposely shook her hand at the girls!
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Post by peppermintpatty on Jul 20, 2022 16:14:26 GMT
I don't see this the same way the mother is claiming. I think the statement from the park is probably accurate. There is zero evidence that the character hugged a white girl next to her daughters. To me this sounds like a mom who is outraged for all the wrong reasons.
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Post by mom on Jul 20, 2022 17:36:53 GMT
I don't know if this was a racial incident or not. I can see how it could be seen as racist but I also think that its entirely possible that it wasn't. Either way, I think character parades should be a no touching type of situation to avoid this. Little ones shouldn't have to leave upset that one child got something they didn't. Re: the various videos of the character possibly skipping AA children --- do we even know if its the same person in the costume? Do we know their race? That said, I saw an article on TMZ that one of the girls is still 'reeling' from this incident and they are looking into therapy for her. From the article: One of the Black girls who allegedly got snubbed by a character at Sesame Place is still reeling from the incident ... and is now isolating with a family member to regain stability. LaMarr tells us the little girl has been overcome with emotion, crying and upset because she can't understand why Rosita would treat her differently than white kids. One of the things we're told ... she asked her mother in the immediate aftermath whether she'd done anything wrong ... seeing how the Sesame mascot refused to touch her or the other Black girl, but had interacted with white girls just moments earlier. LaMarr says he and the family are working on setting her up with therapy sessions. As for what's on the horizon ... we're told a Change.org petition has been set up to ID the person in the Rosita costume ... with the goal of accountability. LaMarr previously told us they're also mulling over a lawsuit. www.tmz.com/2022/07/20/black-child-isolating-grandmother-traumatized-sesame-place/I am trying to be compassionate towards the young girl, but therapy? A possible lawsuit? Really? I get being disappointed by not getting to interact with your favorite character but needing therapy and a lawsuit just feels like an over reaction (though I do not have to deal with racism so maybe its not an overreaction to someone who has had to deal with it before).
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Post by jeanninem on Jul 20, 2022 21:03:03 GMT
I'm sorry, but this is why we can't have nice things Seeing little snippets of videos prove nothing. We would have to see a video of the entire parade route over several weeks to see if there is a pattern of anything. If you have ever been to Disney, your child has been disappointed because the character took a break right when it was your turn, Cinderella turned away when she was closest to you and Mickey waved but not in your direction. Is this where we are? It's the parents job to manage expectations and disappointments. The child is isolating to "regain stability"...? A Go-Fund me to ID Rosita? Honestly, no wonder children grow up lacking resiliency. Maybe Rosita is a racist. Maybe Sesame Place does need DEI training. But providing small, selected videos is not the way to hold them accountable.
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Post by BSnyder on Jul 20, 2022 21:41:57 GMT
There are a few videos out there of that character skipping AA children. In one video, she is hugging/playing with kids sitting on the ground or in a stroller, and then she skips the AA child next to them. So I don’t believe it is a costume issue where the person can’t see low to the ground. ETA - If they can’t hug/high five every kid, they should stop doing it. The little ones don’t understand why they are overlooked, if it is unintentional. I have worked with young children for over 30 years and have had my own kids. Theoretically I understand the call for equal and same for everyone, but it just isn't possible in crowd situations and isn't anyone's reality. In animal shows, does every child get called to the stage to touch the animal that is being taught about? In amusement park shows, can every child in the audience be brought to stage to participate? In all the dolphin shows I went to as a child, not once was I called on to work with the trainer and the dolphin. In the grand scheme of life, these are low risk learning experiences about real world situations and feelings. Learning to deal with disappointment, whether large or small, is not something to be avoided. And, often times, I have found it is the adults' reactions that define how traumatic and upsetting the disappointment is for the child. It is impossible for equal treatment in these large crowd type of situations, so we are saying that if everyone can't have the exact same experience then no one should? I am not sure that is better. All of that being said, I can see how this particular, small picture incident may be perceived as racial discrimination, so I think it is smart to address, but I think more investigation should be done to determine if this is a pattern that deserves further action on the part of the person playing the character. We all have biases that we unconsciously act upon, so examining it more closely and making conscious adjustments will be beneficial regardless of the determination. We know nothing about the person in the suit, do we?
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 24, 2022 2:57:25 GMT
There are a few videos out there of that character skipping AA children. In one video, she is hugging/playing with kids sitting on the ground or in a stroller, and then she skips the AA child next to them. So I don’t believe it is a costume issue where the person can’t see low to the ground. ETA - If they can’t hug/high five every kid, they should stop doing it. The little ones don’t understand why they are overlooked, if it is unintentional. I have worked with young children for over 30 years and have had my own kids. Theoretically I understand the call for equal and same for everyone, but it just isn't possible in crowd situations and isn't anyone's reality. In animal shows, does every child get called to the stage to touch the animal that is being taught about? In amusement park shows, can every child in the audience be brought to stage to participate? In all the dolphin shows I went to as a child, not once was I called on to work with the trainer and the dolphin. In the grand scheme of life, these are low risk learning experiences about real world situations and feelings. Learning to deal with disappointment, whether large or small, is not something to be avoided. And, often times, I have found it is the adults' reactions that define how traumatic and upsetting the disappointment is for the child. It is impossible for equal treatment in these large crowd type of situations, so we are saying that if everyone can't have the exact same experience then no one should? I am not sure that is better. All of that being said, I can see how this particular, small picture incident may be perceived as racial discrimination, so I think it is smart to address, but I think more investigation should be done to determine if this is a pattern that deserves further action on the part of the person playing the character. We all have biases that we unconsciously act upon, so examining it more closely and making conscious adjustments will be beneficial regardless of the determination. We know nothing about the person in the suit, do we? This makes a lot of sense.
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