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Post by onelasttime on Aug 7, 2022 23:17:24 GMT
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lindas
Pearl Clutcher
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Post by lindas on Aug 7, 2022 23:27:46 GMT
Have your little victory dance but the devil is in the details and very few if any, voters know what’s actually in this bill. So tell us what you think is in it! Thanks.. To start with I don’t think people realize that the lower drug prices only apply to Medicare not private insurance. Initially they will only be negotiating the price of 10 drugs. In 2029 they’ll add 10 more to the list. The $2000 cap is nice but that money has to come from somewhere to cover the costs so most likely Medicare part D premiums will increase. I’m not fan of Bernie Sanders but I agree with him here; ”The good news, M. President, is that the reconciliation bill finally begins to lower the outrageous price of some of the most expensive prescription drugs under Medicare.
According to the most recent data, if we do nothing, Medicare will spend about $1.8 trillion over the next decade on prescription drugs and our nation, as a whole, will spend $5 trillion. That is simply unsustainable.
But, M. President: here’s the bad news.
The prescription drug provisions in this bill are extremely weak, they are extremely complex, they take too long to go into effect and they go nowhere near far enough to take on the greed of the pharmaceutical industry whose greed is literally killing Americans.
Under this legislation, Medicare, for the first time in history, would be able to negotiate with the pharmaceutical industry to lower drug prices.
That’s the good news. The bad news is that the negotiated prices would not go into effect until 2026 – 4 years from now.
Further, in 2026, only 10 drugs would be negotiated with more to come in later years.
Moreover, with the possible exception of insulin, this bill does nothing to lower prescription drug prices for anyone who is not on Medicare.
Under this bill, at a time when the pharmaceutical companies are making outrageous profits, the pharmaceutical industry will still be allowed to charge the American people, by far, the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs.
M. President, if we are really serious about reducing the price of prescription drugs, we know exactly how we can do it.
For over 30 years, the VA has been negotiating with the pharmaceutical industry to lower the price of prescription drugs. Moreover, for decades, virtually every major country on earth has done exactly the same thing for all of their people.
The result: Medicare pays twice as much for the exact same prescription drugs as the VA, and Americans, in some cases, may pay ten times as much for a particular drug as the people of any major country on earth.
In other words, when it comes to reducing the price of prescription drugs under Medicare – we don’t have to reinvent the wheel.
We could simply require Medicare to pay no more for prescription drugs than the VA.
And, M. President, if we did that, we could literally cut the price of prescription drugs under Medicare in half in a matter of months, not years. In February, I introduced legislation with Senator Klobuchar that would accomplish that goal.”Under that legislation, we could save Medicare $900 billion over the next decade. That is nine times more savings than the rather weak negotiation provision in this bill. And, by the way, that money could be used to add comprehensive dental, vision, and hearing benefits to every senior in America. It could be used to lower the Medicare eligibility age to at least 60. And it could be used to extend the solvency of Medicare.US automakers have said that 70% of EV’s don’t qualify for the tax credit. One of the provisions in the bill says that all components of the batteries must be manufactured in the US by the end of 2023. I’m all in favor of not sourcing things from China but the timeline on this provision is unrealistic. My understanding of the tax credit is it only applies if you have a tax liability when you file and the credit is only up to the amount owed. I’m still making my way through the 730 pages so there’s probably more pesky little details that aren’t going to be clearly explained to the voters. Every time Congress passes a bill and tells me how great it is for the citizens I remember what Obama said “if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor”. As we found out that wasn’t entirely true.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 7, 2022 23:59:10 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 8, 2022 0:30:12 GMT
It always has been referred to Medicare negotiating drug prices. And it has been since the first time they tried to get this passed when “W” was president. Or maybe when Clinton was president. Anyway it was a while back.
So why would anyone think Medicare had the power to negotiate drug prices for anyone except Medicare?
The number of drugs will increase over time.
And as someone who sitting in wildfire country in the middle of a multi year drought, from my point of view what is in the bill as respect to climate change is not nearly enough but it’s a start.
If people want more then they need to elect a Congress that is willing to address the real issues people face instead of almost half the members of Congress playing silly power games with no interest in actually governing.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 8, 2022 0:39:09 GMT
Another Republican whining. He has since deleted this tweet…
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 8, 2022 1:01:23 GMT
lindas thank you. Truthfully EVs have not been my priority. I will never have one. No one has been able to answer any of my questions on how I would be able to plug one in anywhere near where I live. Not even any suggestions here at 2 peas. Big Pharma ... Why can't Congress as a whole work on drug prices? They can't because they can barely speak to each other. If they cannot come together on the cost of insulin how can we ever expect them to come together for many drugs? One Senator is insisting that he voted yes to fix the price of insulin. He did not! It was recorded, it was visible, it is very well documented how he voted. For now it is the Senators who benefit and are influenced by Big Pharma. They don't pay their bills, we do!! Like it or not we seem to have to settle for what we can get.
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Post by Merge on Aug 8, 2022 1:40:47 GMT
Have your little victory dance but the devil is in the details and very few if any, voters know what’s actually in this bill. I know there aren’t big tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy in it like the GOP prefers to pass. So that’s a plus. I know it’s not enough because the opposition party is dedicated only to opposition - not actually governing America - and we have two opposition moles among the Democrats who have to be appeased. But if the Republicans are this mad about it, I suspect it’s a bigger win for the Biden administration - even though it’s not all it could have been- than conservatives would like to admit.
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carhoch
Pearl Clutcher
Be yourself everybody else is already taken
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Jun 28, 2014 21:46:39 GMT
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Post by carhoch on Aug 8, 2022 2:53:02 GMT
Can someone explain to me why the GOP is so against lowering the cost of insulin ?
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 8, 2022 3:01:35 GMT
Lie much?
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 8, 2022 3:05:11 GMT
I see they pulled the last of the boats out of the Great Salt Lake because the water level has dropped so much.
And then there is this.
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Post by dizzycheermom on Aug 8, 2022 3:08:40 GMT
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Post by dizzycheermom on Aug 8, 2022 3:23:23 GMT
Report the tweet for false information. Every one. Every time.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 8, 2022 3:28:54 GMT
😀
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 8, 2022 4:28:51 GMT
It always has been referred to Medicare negotiating drug prices. And it has been since the first time they tried to get this passed when “W” was president. Or maybe when Clinton was president. Anyway it was a while back. So why would anyone think Medicare had the power to negotiate drug prices for anyone except Medicare?The number of drugs will increase over time. And as someone who sitting in wildfire country in the middle of a multi year drought, from my point of view what is in the bill as respect to climate change is not nearly enough but it’s a start. If people want more then they need to elect a Congress that is willing to address the real issues people face instead of almost half the members of Congress playing silly power games with no interest in actually governing. Because Democrats including Raphael Warnock have been talking about capping the price of insulin for people with private insurance. www.warnock.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/video-senator-reverend-warnock-introduces-new-bill-to-cap-costs-of-insulin-in-georgia-nationwide/
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 8, 2022 4:40:34 GMT
Can someone explain to me why the GOP is so against lowering the cost of insulin ? The short answer - insurance companies lobbied really hard against it. And pharmaceutical companies have been mostly successful at blocking legislation to regulate prices of the drug. Republicans complained since the price isn't capped, just co-pays with private insurance, the cost will be passed onto insurance companies. Insurance companies will raise premiums. Republicans objected because they claimed it would increase the deficit. They also objected for procedural reasons because the Senate parliamentarian ruled against it. www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/states-are-trying-cap-price-insulin-pharmaceutical-companies-are-pushing-n1236766Ironically, the scientists that discovered insulin in 1921 sold the patent to the University of Toronto for $1 because they didn't want to profit off the discovery.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 8, 2022 5:07:29 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 8, 2022 5:15:09 GMT
It always has been referred to Medicare negotiating drug prices. And it has been since the first time they tried to get this passed when “W” was president. Or maybe when Clinton was president. Anyway it was a while back. So why would anyone think Medicare had the power to negotiate drug prices for anyone except Medicare?The number of drugs will increase over time. And as someone who sitting in wildfire country in the middle of a multi year drought, from my point of view what is in the bill as respect to climate change is not nearly enough but it’s a start. If people want more then they need to elect a Congress that is willing to address the real issues people face instead of almost half the members of Congress playing silly power games with no interest in actually governing. Because Democrats including Raphael Warnock have been talking about capping the price of insulin for people with private insurance. www.warnock.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/video-senator-reverend-warnock-introduces-new-bill-to-cap-costs-of-insulin-in-georgia-nationwide/Yeah so? I’m not seeing, again, why anyone would think Medicare had the ability to negotiate the cost for drugs not used by Medicare patients. In the article you posted… “Under the Affordable Insulin Now Act, private group or individual plans would be required to cover one of each insulin dosage form (vial, pen) and insulin type (rapid-acting, short-acting, intermediate-acting, and long-acting) for no more than $35 per month. Medicare Part D plans, both stand-alone drug plans and Medicare Advantage drug plans, would be required to charge no more than $35 for whichever insulin products they cover in 2023 and 2024, and for all insulin products beginning in 2025.” Nothing about Medicare having the power/ability or even should negotiate a cap on all insulin sold in this country. Treated like two separate items. On the bill that passed today. Again, treated like two separate items. From CNBC.. link“Republican senators on Sunday voted down a cap on the price of insulin in the private market, removing it from Democrats’ sweeping climate and economic package. Democrats had tried to preserve the provision to cap insulin costs at $35 for private insurers, but that vote failed 57-43, with seven Republicans voting with them to keep the insulin cost cap in the bill, three short of what was needed. The move was expected following a decision by the Senate parliamentarian, who determined earlier that the insulin provision was not compliant with the chamber’s strict budget rules. Democrats need to comply with those rules to advance the legislation, called the Inflation Reduction Act, without any Republican Votes. The legislation, however, still includes a $35 copay cap on the price of insulin for seniors on Medicare.“ So again, why would anybody think Medicare was going to negotiate the cost of drugs that aren’t used by those covered by Medicare?
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 8, 2022 6:07:21 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 8, 2022 14:05:15 GMT
8-8-2022
Monday Morning News…
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 8, 2022 14:13:32 GMT
From The New Yorker…
”Inside the War Between Trump and His Generals”
“How Mark Milley and others in the Pentagon handled the national-security threat posed by their own Commander-in-Chief.
In the summer of 2017, after just half a year in the White House, Donald Trump flew to Paris for Bastille Day celebrations thrown by Emmanuel Macron, the new French President. Macron staged a spectacular martial display to commemorate the hundredth anniversary of the American entrance into the First World War. Vintage tanks rolled down the Champs-Élysées as fighter jets roared overhead. The event seemed to be calculated to appeal to Trump—his sense of showmanship and grandiosity—and he was visibly delighted. The French general in charge of the parade turned to one of his American counterparts and said, “You are going to be doing this next year.”
Sure enough, Trump returned to Washington determined to have his generals throw him the biggest, grandest military parade ever for the Fourth of July. The generals, to his bewilderment, reacted with disgust. “I’d rather swallow acid,” his Defense Secretary, James Mattis, said. Struggling to dissuade Trump, officials pointed out that the parade would cost millions of dollars and tear up the streets of the capital.
But the gulf between Trump and the generals was not really about money or practicalities, just as their endless policy battles were not only about clashing views on whether to withdraw from Afghanistan or how to combat the nuclear threat posed by North Korea and Iran. The divide was also a matter of values, of how they viewed the United States itself. That was never clearer than when Trump told his new chief of staff, John Kelly—like Mattis, a retired Marine Corps general—about his vision for Independence Day. “Look, I don’t want any wounded guys in the parade,” Trump said. “This doesn’t look good for me.” He explained with distaste that at the Bastille Day parade there had been several formations of injured veterans, including wheelchair-bound soldiers who had lost limbs in battle.
Kelly could not believe what he was hearing. “Those are the heroes,” he told Trump. “In our society, there’s only one group of people who are more heroic than they are—and they are buried over in Arlington.” Kelly did not mention that his own son Robert, a lieutenant killed in action in Afghanistan, was among the dead interred there.
“I don’t want them,” Trump repeated. “It doesn’t look good for me.”
The subject came up again during an Oval Office briefing that included Trump, Kelly, and Paul Selva, an Air Force general and the vice-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Kelly joked in his deadpan way about the parade. “Well, you know, General Selva is going to be in charge of organizing the Fourth of July parade,” he told the President. Trump did not understand that Kelly was being sarcastic. “So, what do you think of the parade?” Trump asked Selva. Instead of telling Trump what he wanted to hear, Selva was forthright.
“I didn’t grow up in the United States, I actually grew up in Portugal,” Selva said. “Portugal was a dictatorship—and parades were about showing the people who had the guns. And in this country, we don’t do that.” He added, “It’s not who we are.”
Even after this impassioned speech, Trump still did not get it. “So, you don’t like the idea?” he said, incredulous.
“No,” Selva said. “It’s what dictators do.”
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 8, 2022 14:14:35 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 8, 2022 14:14:59 GMT
Papers in the toilets seems to be true.... Both at the WH and Air Force One... Pictures in the piece... Exclusive photos: Trump's telltale toilet Remember our toilet scoop in Axios AM earlier this year? Maggie Haberman's forthcoming book about former President Trump will report that White House residence staff periodically found wads of paper clogging a toilet — and believed the former president, a notorious destroyer of Oval Office documents, was the flusher. www.axios.com/2022/08/08/trump-toilet-photos-maggie-haberman
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 8, 2022 14:16:08 GMT
She has a point..
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 8, 2022 14:23:12 GMT
Because no one spoke up when it was needed! Apparently they didn't care enough about us and the US!
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 8, 2022 14:58:32 GMT
Poland and the guy who wrote this article want to designate domestic cats as “invasive alien species” which means they cause “economic or environmental harm or harm to human health”.
Well you can say the exact same thing about the human species so I guess they had better label humans as “invasive alien species” as well because they do a hell of a lot more damage to the environment and other humans health then any domestic cat can.
From the article….
“To be designated an “invasive alien species,” cats needed to meet two criteria: They had to be non-native, and they had to “cause economic or environmental harm or harm to human health.” Cats actually meet both of these criteria, and not just in Poland. Here in the United States, too, felines can have a huge effect on the environment, and not in a good way.”
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 8, 2022 15:58:15 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 8, 2022 16:02:55 GMT
This giving into the problem instead of dealing with the problem.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 8, 2022 16:14:05 GMT
I’m always happy when I find someone who says what I think but says it so much better.
I would like to see a Republican make a case against what he is saying about the current crop of Republicans in Congress.
From the Washington Post..
“Opinion This is what happens when the party in charge cares about governing”
By Paul Waldman Columnist August 8, 2022 at 11:29 a.m. EDT
There have been pieces of legislation that were more difficult to birth than the Inflation Reduction Act the Senate passed Sunday — but not many.
This legislation went through so many deaths and reincarnations that it’s hard to keep them all straight — from an initial $3.5 trillion reconciliation plan to a scaled-back $1.75 trillion plan introduced in October to one proposal after another teased and then withdrawn, usually when the mercurial Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) decided he didn’t like whatever was on offer.
But now that it’s done — pending a vote in the House that Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) will no doubt deliver — it caps a remarkable burst of legislative achievements, including a gun safety measure, an industrial policy bill to accelerate production of semiconductors and a veterans health bill.
This is what it means to have a party in Washington that cares about governing. Even if the passage of a big, complicated bill doesn’t inspire you to burst into song, and even if the deep structural problems of our system remain, it shows that at the right moment, with the right people in charge, the country can still make progress.
Politics changes all the time, but over the past few decades, a particular cycle has repeated itself. A Democrat gets elected president. Their party labors mightily to pass consequential bills. Not all of them succeed, but many do. Eventually, a Republican wins the White House, and their party cuts taxes for the wealthy and corporations, then does little else with its control of Congress.
You can’t say elected Democrats didn’t work their hearts out on these bills, especially the Inflation Reduction Act, even if the result is (as always) imperfect. But try to imagine the Republican Party as it’s currently constituted doing what Democrats just did.
Picture Republicans spending a year or so negotiating with one another, producing version after version of a complicated bill, trying to balance competing interests within their party, persisting through repeated setbacks and ultimately producing a victory everyone in their party can live with.
You can’t, because Republicans just don’t have it in them. The only subject they care enough about to craft a complicated bill on is taxes, which is relatively easy because they all agree they should be lower, at least for corporations and the wealthy.
But give Republicans a difficult legislative task — such as following through on their oft-made pledge to repeal the Affordable Care Act and replace it with what Donald Trump memorably called “something terrific” — and they flounder and flail.
There was once a time when Republicans were capable of crafting legislation that could even garner some Democratic support. But that’s a fading memory. After the tea party and the triumph of Trumpism, the number of Republicans interested in using the legislative process to solve complicated problems keeps dwindling.
Say what you will about the superannuated Democratic leaders: At least they know how to pass a bill. Yet the Democratic base is often less satisfied with the quality of its party’s performance than the Republican base is when its party controls Washington. That’s part of the cycle, too. When a Democratic president is elected, expectations run high for a wave of transformative new laws — and the long and painful legislative process inevitably makes people feel at least some measure of disappointment even when a good deal is accomplished.
It’s tempting to tell anyone feeling disillusioned to grow up, that governing is hard and nobody gets everything they want. But I would argue against tempering our hopes for this presidency and those to come.
Taking the governing process seriously means acknowledging the importance of the division of labor, with different people playing different roles. It’s the job of activists to think creatively and press relentlessly for change, which often means saying that legislation like the Inflation Reduction Act doesn’t go far enough. It’s the job of progressive members, such as Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), to criticize the bill — but give it their votes so it can succeed.
It’s the job of other members to advance the parochial interests of their constituents — and negotiate and compromise. It’s the job of the White House to tell everyone it’s a spectacular accomplishment that should make us all rapturous with joy.
The rest of us should be able to say that this bill is a great achievement for what it does on climate and prescription drug prices and a good deal more, precisely because we know how hard governing is. Mature citizens want to be stirred by grand visions of the future while knowing that the reality will be difficult and involve trade-offs and letdowns.
That’s an inevitable part of the cycle of politics, too: dreaming, then working, then accepting something less than the dream, then deciding to keep working and dream again. So let’s give President Biden and Democrats in Congress the credit they deserve even as we demand they go further and do more. It’s the only way to get anywhere.”
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 8, 2022 16:27:34 GMT
Oh goody, just what you want to hear….
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 8, 2022 16:33:43 GMT
This is a perfect example of what the Republicans do while the Democrats govern.
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