justhanging
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Oct 23, 2020 4:09:10 GMT
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Post by justhanging on Jul 30, 2022 4:44:02 GMT
Anyone notice all the Disney stamps being released by Scrappy Boy stamps? Mary Poppins as well as Beauty and the Beast and others. Not sure how they are able to get away with it. I know there was a post about social paper plan doing the same thing. How do you feel about stamp companies profiting from other companies intellectual property. Scrappy boys stamps have also released I love Lucy stamps and Sound of music as well. I think both of those are movies are copyrighted as well
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scrapnnana
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Post by scrapnnana on Jul 30, 2022 13:30:29 GMT
Copyrights are typically good for 50 years, not forever.
Everyone assumes that some companies are doing unauthorized versions. I know it can be hard to get Disney to agree to let you license their characters, etc., but with so much artwork on the internet, maybe Disney has gotten more willing to authorize use of their designs. Another possibility is that the companies are ordering from China suppliers, who may just thumb their noses at Disney. If they small companies get sued, they might claim that they had no idea they were buying unlicensed designs. I doubt that would hold up in court, but it might. Also, Disney lawyers are good, but the rate that bootleg stuff shows up for sale might be keeping them focused on bigger issues rather than smaller companies.
I bought some Disney themed dies at GASC, but after going home, I checked their website for the ones that were sold out, and saw that NO Disney dies are available from that store online. When I went to take the dies out of the packaging, I realized that no name brand was on them. I’m guessing they were ordered from China, and may not be Disney authorized versions. I didn’t pick up on that at the time that I bought them. I don’t intentionally buy products that illegally use Disney images, but then, I buy designs from Paper Wizard. They use designs that look very, very Disney theme park, but they don’t use Disney titles or names. They have been doing it for years, so I guess their lawyers have kept them from getting into trouble over it. Maybe that has emboldened other companies to do something similar.
With so many designs available on the internet that you can copy with your computer, some companies will fly under their radar. Disney lawyers must be super busy all the time, and they will eventually catch up to those who use their images without permission. I personally think any company that risks it is stupid.
I won’t comment on those who choose to buy bootleg versions from China. We’ve had that discussion here on the board multiple times. Some feel justified doing it. I don’t. The other day I was trying to find the cowboy gnome that Grammadee used on a card. It was super cute! The company that makes it sells it for about $25, but another $25 for the gnome base. I kind of gagged over the price, especially when I saw that a Chinese knock off was available for one fifth of the price. However, I bought the original, not the knock off. Even though it cost a lot more, I’d much rather support an American company that offers their own original, creative designs than from someone who is making it harder for that company to stay in business.
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Post by lilacgal on Jul 30, 2022 14:25:10 GMT
I hadn’t heard of this company so I took a look. None of those images are Disney artwork. He doesn’t mention Disney or specifically the IP he used as inspiration. I think it’s things like that which help him avoid Disney lawyers. He doesn’t say there are two stamps of Mary Poppins herself plus Bert the chimney sweep and Jane and Michael Banks. I think it falls along the scrapbook lines by Simple Stories, Echo Park, and others. We all know it’s a Disney line but it doesn’t mention Mickey Mouse specifically. Meet the Mouse? Sure. Half a mouse head silhouette? Yes. But not Disney artwork.
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Post by joblackford on Jul 30, 2022 16:08:50 GMT
I hadn’t heard of this company so I took a look. None of those images are Disney artwork. He doesn’t mention Disney or specifically the IP he used as inspiration. I think it’s things like that which help him avoid Disney lawyers. He doesn’t say there are two stamps of Mary Poppins herself plus Bert the chimney sweep and Jane and Michael Banks. I think it falls along the scrapbook lines by Simple Stories, Echo Park, and others. We all know it’s a Disney line but it doesn’t mention Mickey Mouse specifically. Meet the Mouse? Sure. Half a mouse head silhouette? Yes. But not Disney artwork. Yes, that exactly. As long as they don't specifically reference the names these sellers tend to fly under the radar and presumably hope to claim it as "fair use" if they get noticed. And most stamp sets are only offered for a limited time so a cease and desist letter just brings the retirement date up sooner, I guess. Some are more blatant than others and some people argue there is a grey area around what is fair use. We've hashed it out on the boards in regards to certain other small stamp companies. Sometimes I think they are skating on thin ice.
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Post by scrapperal on Jul 30, 2022 20:46:17 GMT
Mary Poppins was originally a book series that includes the Banks children. I'm not sure about Bert, the chimney sweep. The images are very much Scrappy Boy style so I don't think there is any trademark infringement on the images. I'm not sure about "Supercalifragilistic" though.
(I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on 2peasrefugees.)
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 30, 2022 21:06:42 GMT
SPP offers some traced Disney art. Literally the exact same. Then they pretend "their designers" are inspired by Disney when customers question them (when there are no designers, just traced art + icons purchased from graphic design platforms). It's a different issue altogether.
Scrappy Boy is offering personal designs but he is using the Disney codes for the designs: same outfit (Belle's iconic yellow dress), same exact and Disney-specific characters (Mrs. Potts + Chip), etc. It really doesn't matter that Mary Poppins and Beauty and the Beast aren't Disney's original creations (book series + French fairy tale) but it's the specific styling Disney gave to these that matters here. There is definitely room for Disney to claim their rights but it's such a small fish in a very large sea. The game has changed with the rise of the internet. I doubt Disney'll come after this kind of micro indie design company with very limited runs. They aren't using the official Disney names, they aren't referencing Disney in any way (and not pretending to be authorised) so it'll be fine in the grand scheme of things. But yes, Disney has definitely a solid leg to stand on. The Disney quotes/lyrics used, the styling, the Disney-specific characters.
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 30, 2022 22:06:50 GMT
I haven't heard of that Stamp company. They remind me of how Kindred Stamps does TV shows, movies, and Disney.
ETA: The constant pop up of Sign up for the Scrappy Boy Stamps is very annoying. I don't want to sign up until I see if I like your stuff!
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Post by Skellinton on Jul 31, 2022 2:26:55 GMT
SPP offers some traced Disney art. Literally the exact same. Then they pretend "their designers" are inspired by Disney when customers question them (when there are no designers, just traced art + icons purchased from graphic design platforms). It's a different issue altogether. Scrappy Boy is offering personal designs but he is using the Disney codes for the designs: same outfit (Belle's iconic yellow dress), same exact and Disney-specific characters (Mrs. Potts + Chip), etc. It really doesn't matter that Mary Poppins and Beauty and the Beast aren't Disney's original creations (book series + French fairy tale) but it's the specific styling Disney gave to these that matters here. There is definitely room for Disney to claim their rights but it's such a small fish in a very large sea. The game has changed with the rise of the internet. I doubt Disney'll come after this kind of micro indie design company with very limited runs. They aren't using the official Disney names, they aren't referencing Disney in any way (and not pretending to be authorised) so it'll be fine in the grand scheme of things. But yes, Disney has definitely a solid leg to stand on. The Disney quotes/lyrics used, the styling, the Disney-specific characters. A lot of the people characters are probably different enough to get by, but I agree the are some pretty spot on copies of secondary characters. The Queen of Hearts is pretty much Helena Bonham Carter too.
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Post by cmpeter on Jul 31, 2022 22:34:48 GMT
I agree...it was annoying enough that I left the website.
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