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Post by AussieMeg on Aug 3, 2022 5:06:21 GMT
Is the word 'spaz' offensive in the US? What about other countries? We all used to use that word back in primary school in the 70s, but certainly not now. I have read/heard three things very recently that cause me to think that it's not as offensive in the US as it is here, but I could be very wrong. A few weeks ago, an Australian woman named Hannah, who lives with spastic diplegia cerebral palsy, called out Lizzo on Twitter for using the ableist slur 'spaz' in one of her songs. To her credit, Lizzo then changed the lyrics of the song. Then on the weekend I was watching an episode of Blue Bloods, and the daughter said to her mum "don't spaz out" about something. I had to rewind it to make sure I'd heard correctly! And now Beyonce has also used the word in her new song. So Hannah has called Beyonce out on Twitter. A spokesperson for Beyonce said that she didn't mean to offend anyone, and Beyonce will also replace the word. ArticleI know there are some words that are offensive in the US that may not have the same meaning here or in other countries. So maybe this is the reverse?
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Post by candleangie on Aug 3, 2022 5:08:33 GMT
Yes, it’s very offensive. But I think half the population is willfully ignorant of such things, and the other half is still cluing in on this one.
It’s one of the more recent terms to come (appropriately) under fire here.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 3, 2022 5:10:19 GMT
It is not acceptable here.
Reaffirmed when former, at one of his rallys, mocked a reporter who had related mobility issues.
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Post by katlady on Aug 3, 2022 5:18:32 GMT
I haven’t heard that word actually used in a really long time. My friends and I used it often many years ago when we were in school (I am over 50). I don’t think we really knew what that word was originally derived from. We used it when someone was being clumsy or really anxious about something. I wouldn’t use it now.
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Post by mom on Aug 3, 2022 5:43:53 GMT
I’ve heard of the word but couldn’t tell you what it means nor could I tell you a time when I’ve heard it actually used. Maybe it’s my age (42)?
Edited to add: google tells me in mean inept. 🤷🏼♀️I can’t think of a time someone I knew used it.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 3, 2022 5:57:26 GMT
We used that word when I was in grade school, and I actually learned what it meant around that same time, by reading a book about a girl with spastic-something.
I wouldn’t use it in public these days. But I was surprised to see it’s still allowed in Words with Friends, at least the last time I tried using it. Even after they got rid of a bunch of other mid-range slurs. I think the WWF creators are South African, so maybe things are different there.
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Post by miominmio on Aug 3, 2022 6:00:39 GMT
It’s not used here (obviously), but I wondered if the Germans will start to feel that their word «spass» will not be okay to use? (It is not a slur in German).
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Post by malibou on Aug 3, 2022 7:15:31 GMT
I haven’t heard that word actually used in a really long time. My friends and I used it often many years ago when we were in school (I am over 50). I don’t think we really knew what that word was originally derived from. We used it when someone was being clumsy or really anxious about something. I wouldn’t use it now. This. And I have only ever known the condition to be called cerebral palsy.
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Post by AussieMeg on Aug 3, 2022 7:59:22 GMT
And I have only ever known the condition to be called cerebral palsy. There are a few different forms of cerebral palsy. The article I read specified which one Hannah has, and I copied it from the article. The 'spastic diplegia' part of the condition is relevant because of the offensive word that was used. But yes, it is usually just called cerebral palsy.
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Post by AussieMeg on Aug 3, 2022 8:02:41 GMT
Yes, it’s very offensive. But I think half the population is willfully ignorant of such things, and the other half is still cluing in on this one. It’s one of the more recent terms to come (appropriately) under fire here. Yes, I had a feeling that we'd discussed it a while ago. I did a search but couldn't find any threads specifically about the offensiveness of it. I did, however, find multiple posts on NSBR where people have used that word.
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Post by pjaye on Aug 3, 2022 8:08:05 GMT
I'm 100% sure it's been used on this board and not in the distant past either
and a quick search tells me I'm right:
The condition is called cerebral palsy, but the medical terminology for one of the main symptoms is 'spasticity of the limbs'. Which refers to neurological damage that results in muscle tightness, joint stiffness, involuntary jerky movements and unusual posture & gait Therefore describing someone as a "spaz or spazz" means you are saying that you think they have neurological damage and have jerky limb movements are un-coordinated etc. Clearly that isn't meant to be a compliment.
It's in the same ball park as retard. Retarded in medical terminology simple means "slowed growth" So when medical people talked about mental retardation as an example, it wasn't a value judgment, it simply used to mean that their mental development was slower than their peers. But then the word 'retard' started to be used as an insult by some to mean someone who they thought was of low intelligence. In that same way spazz has become a way to describe someone un-cordinated or running around wildly or who also isn't very smart.
I've been surprised here when it's used unchallenged, often by people who would never use the word retard. I know I've challenged it in the past and been told that the two words aren't linked...really? All words have origins, where do people think a word like spaz/z is derived from?
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Post by pjaye on Aug 3, 2022 8:10:32 GMT
I’ve heard of the word but couldn’t tell you what it means nor could I tell you a time when I’ve heard it actually used. Maybe it’s my age (42)? Edited to add: google tells me in mean inept. 🤷🏼♀️I can’t think of a time someone I knew used it. My google tells me: spaz [spaz] NOUN spazz (noun) an incompetent or uncoordinated person. VERB spazz (verb) lose physical or emotional control.
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Post by gar on Aug 3, 2022 8:16:20 GMT
I can remember using it as a kid as an insult but it definitely not acceptable these days in the UK. Having said that I have heard a friend of my son-in-law use it in a derogatory way and I was a bit shocked!
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Post by joelise on Aug 3, 2022 9:24:05 GMT
As a child I was told not to use the word by my parents and they explained why, but it was used by other children in my class. I’ve not heard it used for many many years.
Spasticity of the limbs is also a symptom of MS.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 3, 2022 9:35:29 GMT
It used to be a fairly commonly used expression many years ago. I haven’t heard it used in years.
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Post by fkawitchypea on Aug 3, 2022 10:44:44 GMT
I do not understand why artists with as much money as Beyone do not have someone that reviews their work to identify issues such as this. Especially considering it was just an issue for Lizzo. Unless the controversy is what she is looking for. I know spaz was a word used when I was a kid, never thought of it as derogatory until the actual meaning was pointed out in the last few years.
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Post by anniebeth24 on Aug 3, 2022 11:01:19 GMT
Thank you for enlightening me. I've never thought about the meaning of the word and haven't heard or seen anyone being called out for using it.
If I've used it, it would have been out of ignorance, not a willful intent to "not care."
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Post by littlemama on Aug 3, 2022 11:47:46 GMT
Haven't heard it used in ages. If someone with an actual spastic condition finds it offensive, then it is offensive. It isnt for me to decide what others are offended by. 🤷🏼♀️
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Post by Really Red on Aug 3, 2022 11:56:06 GMT
Fortunately, the world evolves and when we realize we use words that make others feel bad, we stop using them. We used the R word when I was little, but I am horrified when I hear people use it today (and I do). Even "stupid" is pretty harsh when directed at someone. Ignorance as an excuse can only work so long. I am disturbed that people got so angry at Lizzo who, when hearing what she did and how the word hurt people, changed it. That's what people should do once they're told. Make amends and do better in the future.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 3, 2022 12:07:07 GMT
I haven’t used it heard since I was a kid. People used to say things like “he was spazzing out” over the the new Backstreet Boys album.” I think it would have been used like “freaking out” is now. Or someone who is hyper and really excited.
I’m surprised to hear that both Lizzie and Beyoncé have used the words in their songs, but am glad that the publicity will hopefully stop any resurgence of its use. Although of course there are also those who say that people are being too sensitive and getting their own panties in a bunch over others finding the word offensive. I could see some of the anti-PC people using it on purpose.
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Post by elaine on Aug 3, 2022 12:37:15 GMT
Fortunately, the world evolves and when we realize we use words that make others feel bad, we stop using them. We used the R word when I was little, but I am horrified when I hear people use it today (and I do). Even "stupid" is pretty harsh when directed at someone. Ignorance as an excuse can only work so long. I am disturbed that people got so angry at Lizzo who, when hearing what she did and how the word hurt people, changed it. That's what people should do once they're told. Make amends and do better in the future. We just got back from Myrtle Beach and there is an actual store at Broadway at the Beach that is named “The Stupid Store” which surprised Dh and me. We both commented on how offensive we found the name. Then again, in this same shopping area there were multiple stores carrying pro-Trump and anti-Biden shirts and knick knacks, including an incredibly offensive and racist shirt in the front window of one: “Joe and the Ho Gotta Go!” We kept hurrying our boys past those shops. There is a large segment that are proud about offending others - it makes them feel powerful in their ability to stick it to others. eta: I don’t use the word spaz and find it offensive (except when I did in reference to Colbert’s dog. My sincere apologies - bad behavior on my part). I know - always knew - where it came from. People did used to use it quite a bit when I was growing up, but I haven’t heard it used much now. I do still hear “retard” and the people who try to be cute when they offend use the shortened “tard.”
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Post by workingclassdog on Aug 3, 2022 12:40:13 GMT
I haven’t heard that word actually used in a really long time. My friends and I used it often many years ago when we were in school (I am over 50). I don’t think we really knew what that word was originally derived from. We used it when someone was being clumsy or really anxious about something. I wouldn’t use it now. It's not a word that I have even thought of in years.. I don't really even know that I used it in school. To tell you the truth if I heard someone say it today it wouldn't even be on my radar, good or bad.
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Post by bianca42 on Aug 3, 2022 12:41:09 GMT
The Lizzo callout was my first realization that the word is problematic. I honestly didn't realize where it came from.
I am making an effort to remove the word from my vocabulary now. I found myself almost saying it last week and was able to pick a different word. When you know better you do better.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Aug 3, 2022 12:46:09 GMT
I haven’t used it heard since I was a kid. People used to say things like “he was spazzing out” over the the new Backstreet Boys album.” I think it would have been used like “freaking out” is now. Or someone who is hyper and really excited. I’m surprised to hear that both Lizzie and Beyoncé have used the words in their songs, but am glad that the publicity will hopefully stop any resurgence of its use. Although of course there are also those who say that people are being too sensitive and getting their own panties in a bunch over others finding the word offensive. I could see some of the anti-PC people using it on purpose. Same here - I suspect we are around the same age (I'm in my mid-40s). My google tells me: spaz [spaz] NOUN spazz (noun) an incompetent or uncoordinated person.
VERB
spazz (verb)
lose physical or emotional control.
[/b] Not that it makes it right, but when I was a kid, this is what I thought it meant. I was surprised to hear it come up with Lizzo and then with Beyonce. I had no idea it was referring to a medical condition (CP or MS). When I was little, we used to use the words "retarded" and "gay" to mean "dumb" or "stupid" - and I cringe thinking about that now.
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Post by bosoxbeth on Aug 3, 2022 12:49:41 GMT
I'm 51 and grew up hearing that word sometimes, but not recently. Not for a long time. It's definitely not considered appropriate these days.
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Post by auntkelly on Aug 3, 2022 12:50:38 GMT
It was a pretty popular insult when I was a kid growing up in the 60s/70s.
I knew what it meant and was forbidden by my mom and my teachers from using that word as an insult. I think most of my friends knew what it meant, but of course some kept using the insult.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Aug 3, 2022 12:54:02 GMT
Honestly, I was shocked to see that Beyonce and Lizzo both used the term as I thought the word had disappeared from use with 'retard'. Until this recent dust up I had not heard the word 'spazz' used in well over 20 years. I'm 65 so grew up at a time where 'spazz' and 'retard' were regular childhood taunts.
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Post by pinklady on Aug 3, 2022 13:43:52 GMT
Huh, I had no idea it was now an offensive word.
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Post by gar on Aug 3, 2022 13:47:40 GMT
There used to be charity called The Spastic Society in the UK - it changed its name in 1994 to Scope due to the connotations and that's almost 30 years ago!
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 3, 2022 13:51:46 GMT
Yes, it’s very offensive. But I think half the population is willfully ignorant of such things, and the other half is still cluing in on this one. It’s one of the more recent terms to come (appropriately) under fire here. Exactly!!! I always find it fascinating when (usually white, usually able-bodied) people push back against a marginalized community sharing that a word is a slur/offensive. The way that we tend to center ourselves and how guilt/shame operate when we find out we've been doing something that harms others is wild. We don't need to cling to things. Like, if someone tells you that you are hurting them, why would the response be "no, I'm not, you're fine?" It's okay to not know; it's not okay to pretend not to know, to choose not to consider perspectives other than your own, or to ignore those perspectives when shared. When we know better, we can do better.
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