ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Dec 3, 2014 18:49:48 GMT
a friend today, and a real friend at that, posted a song with some lovely words about peace and love and not perpetuating hate It was Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah - reworked - link I watched it - appreciated what the artist was doing I'd also seen it rewritten for easter link
most of the people replying talked about God and how good his is, and goosebumps, and a bunch of nice, feel good stuff I said who'd have thought ^^^^that statement would upset someone. (although not all music scholars agree with whether or not the appoggiatures do what they claim - that is another debate) i get this as a reply And of course...maybe i am just being sensitive - i just wanted to add something to the discussion - that was more than 'that was beautiful' - but maybe that's all she wanted. is what i said...offensive? or might she thought my statement said that it was the music...not the words that made it beautiful? (cos that is my belief actually - i've heard the same message a thousand ways - but sung to that music...goosebumps) or y'all can just tell me to shut up and get over it gina after rereading this post - do you think - she thinks - i was attempting to 'correct' her?
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Post by Zee on Dec 3, 2014 18:52:39 GMT
Post back "sorry if I offended you, that wasn't my intent at all" and leave it alone.
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Post by freebird on Dec 3, 2014 18:53:51 GMT
I could read your post in my head in a snotty way, AND in a polite way. I can only read your "friend's" response in a snotty way. That would make me evaluate them as a person. I might not delete them from my life, but I would be more guarded.
Take that as a person who doesn't have much problem deleting ppl from her life.
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Post by gar on Dec 3, 2014 18:55:26 GMT
Maybe she thought you were trying to teach her something she didn't know. That makes some people defensive.
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Post by littlemama on Dec 3, 2014 18:59:40 GMT
yikes. I suppose you could have said that that was where the emotional release was "for you", but it really shouldn't have been necessary. She also could have ignored you rather than bitch slapped you for your interesting information.
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Dec 3, 2014 19:01:19 GMT
i did say
and i guess i was trying to teach something people might not know...i found it interesting...therefore thought others might as well
i had no 'snottiness' intended
i've been friends with her for 16 years - like - hold you when you mom dies and you sob in my shoulder - friends
i am going to leave it alone
but wanted real opinions on whether or not i am just some raging bitch and i don't know it (well...ya i know!)
gina
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back to *pea*ality
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Dec 3, 2014 19:04:58 GMT
Don't think you are being sensitive. You tried to add something to the discussion and you got a handslap.
I had someone on facebook who posted comments that hit me the wrong way on a few occasions and I thought what did she mean by that? No need for drama, I removed her from my newsfeed and never engage with her. I don't do passive-aggressive.
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Post by loco coco on Dec 3, 2014 19:05:24 GMT
ive seen people who get defensive if someone doesn't post the perfect response they want, I think your response was fine. Maybe shes having a bad day, I wouldnt let it bother you
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Dec 3, 2014 19:17:23 GMT
thank you ladies...for the reality check
i am not above..being told that i was out of line, or bitchy, or whatever
but this totally came from left field
and in the big scheme of things - i realize it's insignificant
it stung
gina
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Post by Darcy Collins on Dec 3, 2014 19:18:42 GMT
I think you're both being overly sensitive to be honest. Your post wasn't offensive, but it did seem a little pedantic and probably wasn't in keeping with her post. Her response also not offensive - wasn't in keeping with your desire to educate her. It just seems that you guys weren't on the same page - move on and don't let a minor exchange escalate any further.
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Post by sisterbdsq on Dec 3, 2014 19:21:28 GMT
Pedantic. Yeah, that's hurtful.  *I* did not know about appoggiatures, so I am happy to have learned something! FTR, I'm REALLY tired of people reworking the fucking song. It's perfect the way it is. Stop making into something Leonard HIMSELF says it isn't. Now THAT I would have expected a snotty reply for!
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Dec 3, 2014 19:22:18 GMT
wait a minute
i think i just had an 'aha!' moment
maybe i am 'pendantic'.
hmmm
gina
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Post by gmcwife1 on Dec 3, 2014 19:22:46 GMT
Do you always try to educate people? I have a friend that does that. She might be trying to be helpful but she comes off as a know it all  It has caused many of our mutual friends to distance themselves from her. Sometimes less is more 
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 19:25:35 GMT
I don't think what you wrote was all that offensive or anything other than what it was...you parting some knowledge on the piece. I didn't know that, so I learned something. I would have just thanked you for your insight and say I didn't think about that. For her to answer back in that way is way more offensive. I'd just let it go. If her snarkiness continues, consider your friendship to be coming to a close. Sorry.
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Post by sharlag on Dec 3, 2014 19:29:24 GMT
The way your sentence is phrased, "the emotional release IS COMING from..." COULD sound like there's no other possibility, like you're the authority and the emotional release is not coming from the words... the posters on her thread who say otherwise are just maudlin ninnies. That's just my input. It's a pet peeve of mine, when people phrase options as if that's it! The final answer! And I love ya. Also, I think the big new word and info that you introduced is very interesting, and on topic. appoggiatures appoggiatures appoggiatures ... very cool!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Dec 3, 2014 19:30:38 GMT
wait a minute i think i just had an 'aha!' moment maybe i am 'pendantic'. hmmm gina I really struggled with being pedantic when I was younger - hopefully I've improved in real life, but know that I can still come off that way in certain interactions. I've learned that frankly most people don't ever want to be corrected and rarely educated. It's really easy to fall into making the other person feel stupid - which no one likes. In this case "but the emotional release" is a bit awkward. It insinuates that you know better than her why she's responding to something - even if it's true - she might not like it. Like I said earlier - just realize that your post might have also stung - when people respond to us in a way that seems out of left field, it's probably for a reason.
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Post by sharlag on Dec 3, 2014 19:31:52 GMT
... and I hurried to google the word, but don't understand enough about music, I guess, to get what they're saying about 'a grace note'.... ? 
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Post by maryland on Dec 3, 2014 19:35:54 GMT
You liked the song and you seemed to be complimenting the song in your response. Maybe she didn't like it as much as you! I don't know why she would criticize your response. I love your response!
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Post by Country Ham on Dec 3, 2014 19:49:08 GMT
Just from the words in your post what I read you saying is that you are educating those people that their emotional response to the song is not a Godly thing but a physical response to music.
It's a long the lines of when someone says "Thank you God" when a loved one goes through a difficult surgery and someone replies. "It was the skill of the surgeon".
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Post by shanni on Dec 3, 2014 20:04:38 GMT
I agree with Darcy that perhaps both of you are being a bit oversensitive. She was rude in her response to you, but honestly if I had seen it I would have rolled my eyes a little. I understand that you were just trying to share something that you learned and found interesting, but sometimes that can come across as a know it all. I don't think that was your intention AT ALL, but I can see how it may have come across that way. Is this something that you find yourself doing a lot? My DH is very smart, well educated, and frankly he can get like that sometimes. (And I learned a new word today- Pedantic! That describes some interactions with him perfectly!) He doesn't think everyone around him is an idiot, but sometimes in his talking it comes across that way. He just finds these little things SO fascinating, whereas the rest of us just really don't put that much thought into it, and want to just enjoy things on a surface level. He can't understand why the rest of us DON'T want to delve deep into everything, but sometimes we just don't. Here's one example: Don't get him started on U2. He loves everything U2 and has analyzed every album to death and could give you the most random intellectual insights on the band. But the rest of us just want to feel the beat and sing along loudly and off-key, KWIM? So when we are listening to U2, and he starts in with his random facts, we all glaze over. One or two random facts are okay, but when he gets going, he can go on for a while. And honestly the rest of us just wanted to listen to the music. The running joke in his family is "The interesting thing about...", because you know when he says that, he's going to be going for a while. So I guess my question for you would be this: Is this something you do often? If so, those around you might be feeling like you are putting them down, or frankly they might just be tired of it. No question about it, your friend was rude to call you out like that. I would have felt bad too. But I wonder if perhaps you are a little like my husband? Maybe you need to find some like-minded people to talk to about these things that appreciate them as much as you do. DH is a professor, which is perfect for him. He can be around the ultra-intellectuals by day and engage in stimulating conversation with them, then come home and talk about the latest Survivor with me.  And in case I gave you the impression that I think being intellectual and analytical is a bad thing, he's awesome to have around too. I often ask him about things that I want to understand more, and he is very good at helping ME think more analytically. We don't ask google around here, we ask dad. And he is learning to better read our cues because even when we ask him a question, that doesn't mean we want a 20 minute lecture on the history, evolution, and deeper inner meaning of the subject. 
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 20:05:52 GMT
I like your response, and I learned something. I thought your friend was kind of bitchy about it. I would have appreciated it.
One thing about facebook is that people are generally only looking for validation, and not any sort of other opinion. That's why I don't spend much time there and do spend a lot of time here!
I had those song links on my fb feed and I prefer the song as it was originally.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Dec 3, 2014 20:12:44 GMT
I know it's tempting to over-think this... believe me, I am definitely an over-thinker.
But honestly, it boils down to -- You didn't make a comment that sat well with her. -- And her response to it didn't sit well with you.
Chalk it up to "oh, well" and move on.
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Post by janeliz on Dec 3, 2014 20:34:01 GMT
I agree with Spongemom Scrappants.
If you had gone on and on for a paragraph or more, I think the word pedantic might apply. I think your reply was fine, though. And interesting, actually.
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Post by penny on Dec 3, 2014 20:38:10 GMT
I don't find it offensive FWIW... I tend to like facts and articles and discussion type posts on fb though so maybe that disqualifies my comment... Off to google appoggiatures... There are some songs that have a feel I can identify but not easily explain and I'm curious if this might be what I'm sensing... Thanks for the new word 
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Dec 3, 2014 23:55:20 GMT
thank you all for taking the time to comment
i have done some introspection today
and maybe i am a bit 'pedantic' - i do find most things intriguing and assume others do too
but maybe some people just like the shallow end of the pool more!
i can see where it might come off as - too much
i'll try to keep a lid on it more often...and Shanni - i'd probably have awesome conversations with your husband!
gina
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Post by MizIndependent on Dec 4, 2014 0:07:18 GMT
is what i said...offensive? Nope. In fact, my reaction to your statement was to head off into the interwebs and find out what the heck an appoggiature was...I thought it was fascinating commentary! And I learned something today. Your "friend" is cracked. Ignore her.
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Post by moodyblue on Dec 4, 2014 0:10:36 GMT
One thing I learned at a workshop many many years ago is to be careful with the word "but" when you're talking. Most of the time, what you want to say can be phrased exactly the same way without using it. However, if you insert the word "but" in the middle it makes people immediately jump to a negative feeling.
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Post by johna on Dec 4, 2014 0:12:42 GMT
I literally just finished listening to this song and I really, really loved it. I think the music is feel good, for sure. I like the words that he used because it tells the story of Jesus' birth.
I was not at all offended by your response. I think that sometimes we are in a certain place in our own mind and can take things in a way that we wouldn't at other times. And this is coming from someone who has been grouchy all afternoon. LOL!
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Dec 4, 2014 0:18:55 GMT
kinda like the word 'but' negates everything that came before it
i can see that
and ...if i may be a bit 'erudite'
the Rainbow Connection - by Kermit. Same thing. Who have thunk?
gina
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Dec 4, 2014 0:19:49 GMT
Johna...listen to the Easter rendition - when the kids start singing...it makes me choke up (and that is a visceral response to the kids this time!)
gina
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