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Post by bc2ca on Aug 27, 2022 4:40:54 GMT
This story has been getting heavy coverage locally as the San Diego police investigation has finally been turned over to the DA. Lots of questions as to how SDSU handled/mishandled the case need to be answered. The names of the football players were made public when the civil suit was filed Thursday. Matt Araiza, the rookie starting punter for the Bills, is one of the named SDSU players accused of gang raping a 17 year old girl at an off campus party last October. The Bills may not have known about the allegation before the July, but Matt knew he was under investigation and it looks like he didn't mention anything before being drafted. Likely only when he realized things were heating up. ESPN story Trigger warning some of the details are disturbing |
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Post by katlady on Aug 27, 2022 5:01:07 GMT
I don't understand why no charges were made before this. Right after the attack, she reported it to the police and completed a rape kit. The results have not been made public and nobody has been charged. What is going on?? How long does it take to get the results back from the exam??
He did not play in tonight's game.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Aug 27, 2022 13:22:56 GMT
I was reading about this earlier. The NFL won’t discipline him because it happens before he was in the NFL.
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 27, 2022 13:25:32 GMT
I showed the article to dh (Bills fan) and he was disgusted and said his butt needs to be in jail.
He should be removed from any game play and if charged removed from ever playing again on any NFL team.
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Post by lindas on Aug 27, 2022 13:33:27 GMT
There’s a lot of unanswered questions here. Why did the investigation take so long. If the police have sufficient evidence why hasn’t the DA charged anyone. Filing a civil suit now makes me think they don’t have enough evidence to make the charges stick. Unfortunately for this poor girl the story won’t be about the alleged rope it will be about the civil suit being filed now that he’s in the NFL and there’s a bigger payout if she wins.
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Post by sabrinae on Aug 27, 2022 13:42:51 GMT
There’s a lot of unanswered questions here. Why did the investigation take so long. If the police have sufficient evidence why hasn’t the DA charged anyone. Filing a civil suit now makes me think they don’t have enough evidence to make the charges stick. Unfortunately for this poor girl the story won’t be about the alleged rope it will be about the civil suit being filed now that he’s in the NFL and there’s a bigger payout if she wins. It’s not unusual for rape investigations to be lengthy especially one of this nature. Many states’ crime labs are horrifically backed up. It wouldn’t be unusual for it to take a year to get any dna results back and then there is the legal wrangling over getting dna samples from suspects and the testing of those samples against the samples from the rape kit. There also might not be any dna present — it’s not unusual for there not to be any dna present after as rape is the rapists have any modicum of intelligence. They have also probably been trying to access cell phones both of the alleged rapists, the victim and potential witnesses. Again that can be a lengthy process. The DA just got the case is my understanding — they have to review the case, they’re may be additional investigation their office wants to do and then they have to present it to the grand jury. The involvement of the Unoversity and football team just make it even more complicated and difficult. The timeline this far is not out of the ordinary. |
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 27, 2022 14:42:46 GMT
He did not play in tonight's game. I saw that.  The NFL won’t discipline him because it happens before he was in the NFL. The NFL won't but the Bills can. I get the feeling they are not happy. Unfortunately for this poor girl the story won’t be about the alleged rope it will be about the civil suit being filed now that he’s in the NFL and there’s a bigger payout if she wins. His lawyer is certainly floating that story, but what is the appropriate timing? There is a strong sense that many invested in protecting Matt's future dropped the ball on the case. Filing now could equally put the brakes on his career and diminish her chances of a bigger payout. Maybe because her goal isn't a big payout, her goal is justice.  SDSU has only now started an investigation. The football team has lots to answer for in regards to co-operating with the investigation and protecting the team last year when it was doing well, Matt specifically. The ball started rolling on this long before he signed an NFL contract. We will also know long before the civil case is heard whether criminal charges will be made. The DA is just starting their review. The sad truth is I don't believe for a second that this was a one-off gang rape and wouldn't be surprised to see other girls come forward with stories about the football team. There is a culture of entitlement and being untouchable lurking behind this story. |
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 27, 2022 15:46:35 GMT
I hope charges are filed and all men who raped her serve time in prison. I also hope that he is sued in civil court. In this case, if he did rape her, she should be awarded damages. What a disgusting human being to do something like that.
We need to have serious conversations with our children about this type of crime. How many people saw her being carried to the bedroom and said nothing? It must have been obvious how intoxicated she was. We should be teaching our children to say something. We should be teaching our children to respect each other. And because there are too many scumbags out there, we should be teaching our children not to accept drinks from people that you can't fully trust. I have heard stories like this too often. It sounds to me like someone probably slipped something in her drink. That poor girl had no chance. It breaks my heart for her.
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Post by christine58 on Aug 27, 2022 15:50:21 GMT
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Post by christine58 on Aug 27, 2022 23:52:32 GMT
He apparently has been released according to a very reliable source within the Bills organization
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Post by mellyw on Aug 28, 2022 0:09:25 GMT
He apparently has been released according to a very reliable source within the Bills organization Now been confirmed by multiple sports outlets |
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Post by christine58 on Aug 28, 2022 0:17:07 GMT
He apparently has been released according to a very reliable source within the Bills organization Now been confirmed by multiple sports outlets And in a press conference |
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Post by sabrinae on Aug 28, 2022 2:17:12 GMT
Good for the Bills. I hope no other team signs him. The Bills ownership is much more responsible than the Browns.
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 28, 2022 2:23:59 GMT
I also hope that he is sued in civil court. It is civil lawsuit that was filed on Thursday. The DA has only just received the police investigation so will be reviewing that and making a decision on criminal charges sometime in the future. christine58, we saw bits of the Bills press conference and weren't surprised they cut him quickly. |
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Post by arielsmom on Aug 28, 2022 3:21:17 GMT
I don't understand why no charges were made before this. Right after the attack, she reported it to the police and completed a rape kit. The results have not been made public and nobody has been charged. What is going on?? How long does it take to get the results back from the exam?? He did not play in tonight's game. Here in Wi, rape kits were sitting for 20+ years, as there " was a back up of cases.". Supposedly they are now processing padt.kits. /s, sure. Less than a year.....not surprised nothing has happened. |
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Post by katlady on Aug 28, 2022 3:28:53 GMT
Since he was released, how much of his contract $$$ does he get? Does he have endorsements? Just wondering how much money they can get out of him in a civil lawsuit.
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Post by katlady on Aug 28, 2022 3:29:43 GMT
I don't understand why no charges were made before this. Right after the attack, she reported it to the police and completed a rape kit. The results have not been made public and nobody has been charged. What is going on?? How long does it take to get the results back from the exam?? He did not play in tonight's game. Here in Wi, rape kits were sitting for 20+ years, as there " was a back up of cases.". Supposedly they are now processing padt.kits. /s, sure. Less than a year.....not surprised nothing has happened. That is so crazy and ridiculous! Something needs to be done about this. |
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Post by lindas on Aug 28, 2022 5:50:24 GMT
Since he was released, how much of his contract $$$ does he get? Does he have endorsements? Just wondering how much money they can get out of him in a civil lawsuit. I think he will get his guaranteed money which was $216,148. He had a deal with Giorgio Armani that hasn’t paid him any cash but outfitted him in what was estimated to be about $15,000 worth of clothing. He also collected around $7,500 from Panini on a rookie card deal. I wonder if Panini will try to get back the money since there isn’t going to be a rookie card now. |
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Post by hop2 on Aug 28, 2022 12:14:21 GMT
I don't understand why no charges were made before this. Right after the attack, she reported it to the police and completed a rape kit. The results have not been made public and nobody has been charged. What is going on?? How long does it take to get the results back from the exam?? He did not play in tonight's game. We live in a patriarchal society and rape is not really a big deal to society. You know boys will be boys & all. She was asking for it. Why did she dress like that if she didn’t want to be raped. Or drink like that if she didn’t want to be raped, Or go out without proper *supervision/companion*, if she didn’t want to be raped. Our society’s brush off of rape is endless with the excuses for the rapists and endless with the victim blaming. If you doubt my statement go back to the Brick Turner case WITH eye witnesses so not a he said she said case. And the judge didn’t want to ruin the athletes life with a proper prison sentance. And in my experience when you add in the “glamour” of a *star* football player, literally no one cares. The victim is branded a liar and nothing is done. All hail football. I congratulate the Bills for caring, at least. It’s an anomaly |
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Post by Bridget in MD on Aug 28, 2022 13:13:26 GMT
I don't understand why no charges were made before this. Right after the attack, she reported it to the police and completed a rape kit. The results have not been made public and nobody has been charged. What is going on?? How long does it take to get the results back from the exam?? He did not play in tonight's game. We live in a patriarchal society and rape is not really a big deal to society. You know boys will be boys & all. She was asking for it. Why did she dress like that if she didn’t want to be raped. Or drink like that if she didn’t want to be raped, Or go out without proper *supervision/companion*, if she didn’t want to be raped. Our society’s brush off of rape is endless with the excuses for the rapists and endless with the victim blaming. If you doubt my statement go back to the Brick Turner case WITH eye witnesses so not a he said she said case. And the judge didn’t want to ruin the athletes life with a proper prison sentance. And in my experience when you add in the “glamour” of a *star* football player, literally no one cares. The victim is branded a liar and nothing is done. All hail football. I congratulate the Bills for caring, at least. It’s an anomaly But didn't that judge get voted out due to his shitty ruling? and if I understand it, Brock Turner has NO swimming career or prospects (I don't think he finished school either) and is basically a pryiah. So while it wasn't the prison sentence he deserved, I wouldn't say he is thriving (according to his dad, he couldn't even enjoy a steak dinner anymore, boo hoo). |
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Post by Rhondito on Aug 28, 2022 13:44:12 GMT
We live in a patriarchal society and rape is not really a big deal to society. You know boys will be boys & all. She was asking for it. Why did she dress like that if she didn’t want to be raped. Or drink like that if she didn’t want to be raped, Or go out without proper *supervision/companion*, if she didn’t want to be raped. Our society’s brush off of rape is endless with the excuses for the rapists and endless with the victim blaming. If you doubt my statement go back to the Brick Turner case WITH eye witnesses so not a he said she said case. And the judge didn’t want to ruin the athletes life with a proper prison sentance. And in my experience when you add in the “glamour” of a *star* football player, literally no one cares. The victim is branded a liar and nothing is done. All hail football. I congratulate the Bills for caring, at least. It’s an anomaly But didn't that judge get voted out due to his shitty ruling? and if I understand it, Brock Turner has NO swimming career or prospects (I don't think he finished school either) and is basically a pryiah. So while it wasn't the prison sentence he deserved, I wouldn't say he is thriving (according to his dad, he couldn't even enjoy a steak dinner anymore, boo hoo). Not meaning to hijack this thread, but I learned the other day that women in his area are reporting his every move as a warning to others. They are tweeting out which bar he's in, which area, etc. and bartenders are doing it too along with refusing to serve him. There are supposed to be FB groups posting the same info.
Oh, and he now goes by his middle name instead of Brock.
While he didn't get a jail sentence, it seems women have taken it upon themselves to make his life miserable.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 28, 2022 14:16:42 GMT
But didn't that judge get voted out due to his shitty ruling? and if I understand it, Brock Turner has NO swimming career or prospects (I don't think he finished school either) and is basically a pryiah. So while it wasn't the prison sentence he deserved, I wouldn't say he is thriving (according to his dad, he couldn't even enjoy a steak dinner anymore, boo hoo). Not meaning to hijack this thread, but I learned the other day that women in his area are reporting his every move as a warning to others. They are tweeting out which bar he's in, which area, etc. and bartenders are doing it too along with refusing to serve him. There are supposed to be FB groups posting the same info.
Oh, and he now goes by his middle name instead of Brock.
While he didn't get a jail sentence, it seems women have taken it upon themselves to make his life miserable.
That’s women, not the Justice system. The Justice system is still bogged down in the patriarchy. Still bogged down with the good ole boy network. The current SC leads the way. |
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Post by artbabe on Aug 28, 2022 14:52:42 GMT
I think the Browns should pick him up because they have no problem playing sex offenders. /s
I have been a Browns' fan for over 50 years and I am just so done with them. Watson is disgusting. I'm following the Bengals and the Panthers this year.
I applaud the Bills for actually taking out the trash.
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 28, 2022 15:02:13 GMT
I think the Browns should pick him up because they have no problem playing sex offenders. /s I have been a Browns' fan for over 50 years and I am just so done with them. Watson is disgusting. I'm following the Bengals and the Panthers this year. I applaud the Bills for actually taking out the trash. It's gross when you see chatter on football social media about either the Browns, Raiders, or Steelers picking him up 🤮🤦♀️🤬 |
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 28, 2022 15:23:27 GMT
I think he will get his guaranteed money which was $216,148. He had a deal with Giorgio Armani that hasn’t paid him any cash but outfitted him in what was estimated to be about $15,000 worth of clothing. He also collected around $7,500 from Panini on a rookie card deal. I wonder if Panini will try to get back the money since there isn’t going to be a rookie card now. I wonder if he will be in breach if there was a morals clause in any of his contracts? If you doubt my statement go back to the Brick Turner case WITH eye witnesses so not a he said she said case. And the judge didn’t want to ruin the athletes life with a proper prison sentance. But didn't that judge get voted out due to his shitty ruling? and if I understand it, Brock Turner has NO swimming career or prospects (I don't think he finished school either) and is basically a pryiah. So while it wasn't the prison sentence he deserved, I wouldn't say he is thriving (according to his dad, he couldn't even enjoy a steak dinner anymore, boo hoo). FWIW, Turner was convicted. The sentence was an outrage and led to the successful recall of the judge, but Turner will always be a convicted sex offender and required to register as such where ever he lives. And FWIW, I like this victim's attorney. I like the way he pushed back at Araiza's attorney trying to present her as just in it for the money. One of the other defendants, Zavier Leonard, appears to have been dropped from the SDSU football team in the last few days. The lawyer for the third defendant, Pa'a Ewaliko (never listed on the roster this year), was on the news last night floating the "she was so intoxicated she can't really identify my client" defense. FWIW, hop2, I do think it may be because the criminal justice system is bogged down in the patriarchy that this victim and her family are fed up with waiting and filed the civil suit. IMHO, I think the timing has a lot to do with the college football season starting and a desire to put future rapists on notice that we are watching. She doesn't want to see anyone else go through what happened to her. |
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Post by christine58 on Aug 28, 2022 16:01:22 GMT
I think he will get his guaranteed money which was $216,148. He had a deal with Giorgio Armani that hasn’t paid him any cash but outfitted him in what was estimated to be about $15,000 worth of clothing. He also collected around $7,500 from Panini on a rookie card deal. I wonder if Panini will try to get back the money since there isn’t going to be a rookie card now. I wonder if he will be in breach if there was a morals clause in any of his contracts? Probably not because it happened prior to the draft. I am so proud to be a Bills fan today. They absolutely did the right thing in cutting him. |
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 29, 2022 21:16:41 GMT
I don't understand why no charges were made before this. Right after the attack, she reported it to the police and completed a rape kit. The results have not been made public and nobody has been charged. What is going on?? How long does it take to get the results back from the exam?? He did not play in tonight's game. Here in Wi, rape kits were sitting for 20+ years, as there " was a back up of cases.". Supposedly they are now processing padt.kits. /s, sure. Less than a year.....not surprised nothing has happened. It's infuriating how little regard society has for women. The fact that rape kits sit untouched for 20+ years is inexcusable. |
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 30, 2022 0:39:44 GMT
Probably not because it happened prior to the draft. I am so proud to be a Bills fan today. They absolutely did the right thing in cutting him. It is interesting that Araiza was considered the top punter in the draft and was passed over by the Bucs and Ravens. And two unidentified teams have said they were aware of the accusations/investigation. |
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Post by lindas on Aug 30, 2022 1:42:18 GMT
Probably not because it happened prior to the draft. I am so proud to be a Bills fan today. They absolutely did the right thing in cutting him. It is interesting that Araiza was considered the top punter in the draft and was passed over by the Bucs and Ravens. And two unidentified teams have said they were aware of the accusations/investigation. So glad my Ravens passed on that guy and after seeing the stats for Araiza compared to Stout Stout is the better punter. His hang time, % inside the 20 and return yds after the punt are all better. Put him on your fantasy team if you have one. |
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Post by malibou on Aug 30, 2022 6:52:59 GMT
Way off topic, however, artbabe, your new avatar is positively lovely! I'm so pleased to hear the Bills have taken out the trash. |
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