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Post by oh yvonne on Aug 31, 2022 17:16:23 GMT
What the heck is going on over there. Oh my God!
Any peas local wanna tell me about it? Is it true the Governor has a giant semi truck outside the mansion filled with water for his own personal use, and that he misused/stole Fed grant money intended for infrastructure? I admit I just saw a TikTok but haven't had time to delve in.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 31, 2022 17:29:39 GMT
Yes I do believe he has a tanker truck. I have no idea about the infrastructure monies. I do think Tate Reeves is not diverse friendly.
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Post by casii on Aug 31, 2022 17:34:27 GMT
What the heck is going on over there. Oh my God! Any peas local wanna tell me about it? Is it true the Governor has a giant semi truck outside the mansion filled with water for his own personal use, and that he misused/stole Fed grant money intended for infrastructure? I admit I just saw a TikTok but haven't had time to delve in. I did see photos of a tanker truck outside the governor's mansion, but haven't seen proof about misusing funds. It wouldn't be a shocker if it were true though. When the Federal government sends money to states, it's often misused or not used at all. We'd hope the funds could be earmarked for specific uses to avoid abusing the system.
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Post by Merge on Aug 31, 2022 17:36:08 GMT
I've been trying to read as much as I can about this issue. 1, I'm embarrassed I had no idea that Mississippi experienced the same heavy freeze that Texas did two years ago, with much the same terrible result, and that has played into Jackson's water woes. 2, I'm horrified that this issue has not been more widely covered in the media until very recently.
It does appear from the outside that the white, Republican state government has been very negligent of its largest city with an 83% Black population. From my own experience in Texas, I know that our GOP state leaders actively work to suppress and defund the blue cities with their minority populations, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if that's the case in other southern states. Shameful, if so. I haven't read anything about a tanker truck.
I'm glad Yvonne brought this issue here for discussion - can any Mississippi peas give us context?
ETA: federal funds mismanagement, yes. We can talk all day about how Abbott and co have withheld federal Harvey relief funds from Harris county, which was most heavily hit by the storm, in favor of dispersing them to rural, red counties that suffered minimal damage. I think it's likely similar things happened in MS.
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Post by Lexica on Aug 31, 2022 17:38:20 GMT
I feel so bad for the citizens not even having enough water to flush their toilets! My sister's neighborhood was without water for several months after there was a huge landslide that took out all of the infrastructure that provided water to her neighborhood. Officials sent several water trucks that were parked all along her street for people to get water from. My sister had to fill buckets to flush the toilet and she rigged up a new big trash can with a pond pump to create a shower that they could use. I hope they are providing water trucks for the town as well.
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Post by naby64 on Aug 31, 2022 17:53:27 GMT
I'm next door in AR and didn't know anything about it until I saw the news last night. My boss/pastor's mom lives in Flowood, just outside of Jackson. They have their own water supply. I asked him this morning if his mom had water. He told me the above about the supply. He also stated they have some severe problems. He didn't go into it a lot other than to say it is going to take a long time to get it all back as it should be. He leans to the side of the gov.
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Post by hopemax on Aug 31, 2022 18:32:01 GMT
I'm glad someone started a thread. I almost made one yesterday, but wanted to be able to include more links to explain what was going on, and most of my links were going to videos I didn't want to watch. My limited understanding is that it's been a known issue that the treatment plant was in trouble. Responsibility for the plant is by the city, not the state. Separately, Jackson has been experiencing white flight, leaving behind an insufficient tax base who could take on the $1-$2 billion estimate of what it will take to fix and upgrade the treatment plant. Recent storms and flooding caused the acute stage of the crisis. IMO, it is a good representation of what the next generation will be facing. Inadequate infrastructure + climate change + "it's not my problem" = a state Capitol and a city of 150,000 being unable to have clean drinking water, and even insufficient water pressure to flush toilets and who knows what else in other, future crises. You depend on being able to flip on a light switch and the power turns on, turn on a faucet to get water, or flush the toilet. It will start in the economically stressed areas first. But look at Texas' power grid. Being in a wealthier era won't overcome mismanagement and necessary infrastructure can't appear overnight. The people with resources will move, stressing the systems of where they end up, and leaving behind big problems in the areas they left, for the ones who can't. Anyway, here's an NPR article about Jackson. www.npr.org/2022/08/31/1120166328/jackson-mississippi-water-crisis
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Post by oh yvonne on Aug 31, 2022 19:22:00 GMT
Its like you don't even know where to look anymore, the shit is breaking down all over. I did some Googling and while in the 80's and back the Governor was Democrat, it's mostly been Republican since. Continually since 2012.
These people need to band together and vote these worthless POS out come election time or this is their future. Bah, it feels hopeless
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 31, 2022 19:28:42 GMT
I haven't read anything about a tanker truck. the one photo I saw showed a tanker truck outside the fence on the road, sort of in front of ?? the governor's mansion... I would think if that truck was actually SUPPLYING the mansion, wouldn't it be a bit closer? Maybe actually inside the fence, or around, behind the building?? IMO, it is a good representation of what the next generation will be facing. Inadequate infrastructure + climate change + "it's not my problem" = a state Capitol and a city of 150,000 being unable to have clean drinking water, and even insufficient water pressure to flush toilets and who knows what else in other, future crises. Y ou depend on being able to flip on a light switch and the power turns on, turn on a faucet to get water, or flush the toilet. It will start in the economically stressed areas first. But look at Texas' power grid. Being in a wealthier era won't overcome mismanagement and necessary infrastructure can't appear overnight. The people with resources will move, stressing the systems of where they end up, and leaving behind big problems in the areas they left, for the ones who can't. ^^^ yup. infrastructure all over the country has been aging and crumbling, and not kept up with the demands made on it (collapsing bridges, etc.) and we hear about it every once in a while when it happens as a huge disaster. But it seems like they hardly ever pass the legislation to actually FIX any of it. (hopefully they're doing it and we're just not hearing about it, but somehow, I doubt it.)
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Post by Rhondito on Aug 31, 2022 20:27:48 GMT
Oh boy... it's a hot mess. I'm not sure if there's a tanker with water just for the governor's mansion, but it wouldn't surprise me. They are supposed to be bringing in lots of tankers for the whole city. I live about 10 miles outside of Jackson and am on a separate water system so I don't have any problems; my office is not affected either.
Jackson has been dealing with a crumbling infrastructure for years and it seems they are under a boil water notice more often than not due to burst pipes or failed equipment. The city council is a joke - all they can do is argue with each other over how to spend or not spend money. This is a problem that should've been taken care of a long time ago but kept getting bandaged, and now we have a total collapse.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 1, 2022 23:25:36 GMT
Take a deep breath.... Mississippi wasted welfare funds on Brett Favre speeches he never madeBob Brigham September 01, 2022 With schools closed in Jackson and water out at the Mississippi state Capitol, the state is struggling through a different scandal about broken government services. Brett Favre earned nearly $140 million as a star NFL quarterback over two decades and millions more in product endorsements," NBC News reported. "But that didn’t stop the state of Mississippi from paying Favre $1.1 million in 2017 and 2018 to make motivational speeches — out of federal welfare funds intended for needy families. The Mississippi state auditor said Favre never gave the speeches and demanded the money back, with interest. The payment was reportedly directed by former GOP Gov. Phil Bryant. "Favre has repaid the fees, although not the $228,000 in interest the auditor also demanded," NBC News reported. "But the revelation by the auditor that $70 million in TANF welfare funds was doled out to a multimillionaire athlete, a professional wrestler, a horse farm and a volleyball complex are at the heart of a scandal that has rocked the nation’s poorest state, sparking parallel state and federal criminal investigations that have led to charges and guilty pleas involving some of the key players." www.rawstory.com/nation-s-poorest-state-used-welfare-money-to-pay-brett-favre-for-speeches-he-never-made/There is more....
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 1, 2022 23:48:14 GMT
Really great opinion here about how it all comes down to race and the similarities to Flint, Michigan. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/31/mississippi-water-racial-politics/Opinion Mississippians with no water to drink? Blame racial politics. And when you look at places such as Mississippi, what you see can only be described as malign neglect. State lawmakers killed the city’s efforts to fund infrastructure with a sales tax hike. And when tens of thousands of city residents went without running water for weeks, Republican Gov. Tate Reeves called for better collection of water bill payments, rather than support from the state.
A 2021 bill that would have authorized a bond issuance to assist Jackson with making repairs and improvements to water and sewer systems died in the Republican-controlled state House Ways and Means committee.
As one expert told The Post when the infrastructure bill passed, “you have to be worried that this money going to statehouses will not actually get to places like Jackson” as long as the White power structure has a hand in distributing it. After all, Republicans who control the state’s government have more pressing things to worry about, such as chasing the phantom of critical race theory, outlawing abortion and suppressing the votes of Black people.
Reeves doesn’t have to care about whether Black people in Mississippi have water to drink. His state is 38 percent Black, but because the state’s White voters are so emphatically Republican, every statewide elected official is a White Republican, and the GOP has a bulletproof state legislative supermajority. If he wants to declare April to be Confederate Heritage Month — as he has done twice — he knows the only votes he’ll lose are ones he wasn’t going to win anyway.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 1, 2022 23:55:58 GMT
The capitol building has portable toilets. But, they're not the regular port-o-potties, they're the fancy ones on a trailer. Reeves, not surprisingly, blamed the problems on the Democratic mayor and poor management. www.washingtonpost.com/national/mississippi-capitals-water-disaster-developed-over-decades/2022/09/01/e37a0fce-2a37-11ed-a90a-fce4015dfc8f_story.htmlBroken water and sewer pipes are also common in Mississippi’s largest city. The Environmental Protection Agency told Jackson months ago that its water system violates the federal Safe Drinking Water Act.
In 2020, Reeves vetoed legislation that would have let Jackson forgive at least a portion of the unpaid water bills for poor people.
At the same time, Mississippi is slashing taxes. This year, Reeves signed the state’s largest-ever tax cut, which will reduce revenue by an estimated $185 million the first year and $525 million the final year.
The governor argued that cutting the income tax would “lead to more wealth for all Mississippians,” even as one of the poorest states in the nation struggles to support schools and rural hospitals.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 2, 2022 1:05:21 GMT
www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/09/01/jackson-mississippi-water-crisis/Jackson water crisis deepens as state deploys National Guard JACKSON, Miss. — Gov. Tate Reeves on Thursday deployed 600 National Guard troops at mass water distribution sites across the Mississippi capital as workers struggled to repair beleaguered plant pumps that have left many without reliable running water for weeks, with no end in sight. State officials opened seven mass water distribution sites staffed from 9 a.m. to 6:30 p.m. by National Guard troops, supplementing city sites run by fire stations, churches and nonprofits. Cities across the region also have been trucking in water to aid Jackson. By afternoon, cars had lined up at the state sites, including at the state fairgrounds, where officials told reporters the locations would be supplied by 108 trucks for the next few days, enough water for the city’s 150,000 residents, plus 30,000 out-of-town workers.
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Post by librarylady on Sept 2, 2022 1:28:38 GMT
National news said that the residents have been boiling water for at least 6 months and this is a long term problem. A mayor predicted this happening several years ago.
I am left wondering: Why have all the councils been ignoring the problem for years?
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 2, 2022 2:11:11 GMT
National news said that the residents have been boiling water for at least 6 months and this is a long term problem. A mayor predicted this happening several years ago. I am left wondering: Why have all the councils been ignoring the problem for years? The city hasn't been ignoring the problem, they just don't have the money to pay $2 billion to fix it. And the state has not helped.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Sept 2, 2022 5:27:41 GMT
The city of Jackson has had serious infrastructure problems for decades. I heard the current mayor speak about the issues about 5 years ago, and it had already been a problem through several administrations. At the time, he said they could only put band-aids on the problems - the infrastructure was too far gone and would be far too expensive for the city to fix. Plus, like Rhondito said, the city government is a hot mess and rumors of corruption are everywhere. Some of their city council meetings have gone at least locally viral due to the fighting and posturing. Plus, the city water department's billing is insanely and frustratingly inconsistent. I pay the bills for an organization and sometimes have to wait 6 months between bills.
After heavy flooding last week, the municipal pumps failed, and a lot of even deeper issues were uncovered, including lack of staffing at the municipal water plant and broken equipment. This affected the higher elevation areas that include downtown - the governor's mansion and state buildings - and a lot of local businesses. My daughter's dorm has not had drinking water all semester (and some of last semester), and showering and flushing have been off and on this week (mostly off) while the pumps are being replaced. Her classes switched to virtual most of the week, and a decision hasn't been made about next week yet. She hasn't come home yet, but I'm sure she will cry uncle before long. The college announced today that they will be building their own water supply so that they don't have to rely on the city's supply in the future.
I wouldn't blame the governor for having a tanker outside the mansion - he still has a household and administration operating downtown, but I read that it is for the Trustmark Bank building, and the placement of the truck is closer to the Trustmark building. If it was for the mansion, it would be more discrete actually on the grounds of the mansion. But, if you look at the pictures of the tanker, you might spot some nice pictures of my church in the background.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 2, 2022 11:39:15 GMT
The capitol building has portable toilets. But, they're not the regular port-o-potties, they're the fancy ones on a trailer. Reeves, not surprisingly, blamed the problems on the Democratic mayor and poor management. www.washingtonpost.com/national/mississippi-capitals-water-disaster-developed-over-decades/2022/09/01/e37a0fce-2a37-11ed-a90a-fce4015dfc8f_story.htmlBroken water and sewer pipes are also common in Mississippi’s largest city. The Environmental Protection Agency told Jackson months ago that its water system violates the federal Safe Drinking Water Act.
In 2020, Reeves vetoed legislation that would have let Jackson forgive at least a portion of the unpaid water bills for poor people.
At the same time, Mississippi is slashing taxes. This year, Reeves signed the state’s largest-ever tax cut, which will reduce revenue by an estimated $185 million the first year and $525 million the final year.
The governor argued that cutting the income tax would “lead to more wealth for all Mississippians,” even as one of the poorest states in the nation struggles to support schools and rural hospitals.
It sounds like a hot mess in Mississippi. We had a huge tax surplus this year and people have been complaining about being overtaxed, etc. Republicans want to cut taxes right away but it seems more prudent to wait and see how things turn out this year. It could have been an off year. People also compare our taxes to other states with lower taxes and it seems they don’t think to also compare what we get from our taxes. And you know that the tax cuts in Mississippi would not help the poor.
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Post by mom2jnk on Sept 2, 2022 11:47:48 GMT
As horrifying as the situation is in Jackson, this is sadly not uncommon. Those of us who are fortunate enough to be able to flip a switch for reliable electricity and turn on a faucet for clean, safe drinking water don't often realize that so much of our infrastructure here in the US is outdated, broken, or has never been installed to what we might believe are acceptable standards of living. This is an article that I used last semester in my Environmental Science class when teaching about Environmental Injustice. Raw Sewage in Rural AlabamaSome highlights from the article: In Lowndes County (AL), which is majority Black, the poverty rate is 22 percent, which is about double the national average. At least 40 percent of homes have inadequate or no sewage systems. As a result, many residents use PVC pipes to carry waste from homes into open holes in the ground, a method known as “straight piping.”“I call it America’s dirty secret,” “Because it largely exists in rural communities and poor communities, and most people, when they find out about it, they’re shocked. They don’t believe that it’s a reality in this country.”
“It’s not necessary for this to be going on in 2022,” said Smith, 59. “It just shouldn’t be in the United States. It shouldn’t be. This is the wealthiest country. A sewage system should be a right.”
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 2, 2022 13:53:14 GMT
“I call it America’s dirty secret,” “Because it largely exists in rural communities and poor communities, and most people, when they find out about it, they’re shocked. They don’t believe that it’s a reality in this country.”
“It’s not necessary for this to be going on in 2022,” said Smith, 59. “It just shouldn’t be in the United States. It shouldn’t be. This is the wealthiest country. A sewage system should be a right.” ^^^ there are still a LOT of places in the Navajo Nation area of northern Arizona where people do not have running water or electricity to their houses, either. The Navajo nation accounts for 75% of America's households without electricity, and 1 in 3 Navajo homes do not have a tap or toilet. Navajo Water Project
Before I lived in Arizona I had NO idea that the conditions for some people were as bad as they are. Still, even today- in the 21st century, in the 'best country in the world' as so many people like to say. Best country for who?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 2, 2022 15:03:41 GMT
Not the best country for the Indigenous people who's land we whites stole!!
Not the best for the Black people we stole to drag to here to build our country!!
We need to face our shame and do something!!
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