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Post by sophikins on Dec 4, 2014 16:01:47 GMT
Am I the only one who feels that scrapbooking has de-evolved?
One of the reasons that I love scrapbooking is because I love paper crafting. I love the pretty papers, colors, cutting, punching, pasting, embellishing- all of those artsy crafty things I do when I make a page. As I look at the trends in scrapbooking (which really struck me as I looked at Ali's December Daily today) is that pocket pages are nothing more than the photo albums from years ago, but now with more different sizes of pockets and albums. So now you just slide in your photo in a pocket, slip some pre-made/purchased card or embellishment in another pocket, and a pre-made journal card that you've written on in another.
I understand that these pocket pages make it much faster and easier, so it is better to put something together than nothing, but I miss the days of seeing all the creations with all the wonderful supplies and tools. Seeing someone slip photos and pre-made cards into slots just doesn't do it for me.
I recently discovered some great youtube videos on making mini albums, which I have decided to do for my DD this year. I just really enjoy all the paper crafting. I have enough albums from years ago with photos slipped into pockets.
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Post by breetheflea on Dec 4, 2014 16:39:15 GMT
I don't like the guilt that I'm missing capturing all the "little moments" because I don't do pocket scrapping... I like taking photos vertical and horizontal and don't want to plan which way I take a picture to fit into a pocket later. I don't have a home photo printer so it's not so easy when I have to upload everything and wait for it to be processed then go pick it up.
I think it's great for some people, just not me.
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Post by MDscrapaholic on Dec 4, 2014 16:45:25 GMT
I'm another one who can't seem to "get" the allure of pocket scrapping. I've done two albums in pocket style, and I stress over embellishing every little thing! If I can see the back of a photo on the next page, I try to cover it with pretty paper. Rounding or not rounding corners... too many decisions...
I think it's easier just to make one big 12x12 page than it is to make 6 smaller ones!
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Post by iammikki on Dec 4, 2014 17:09:50 GMT
I do Project Life, and I love Project Life, but I just can't seem to figure out how to do "Pocket Page Scrapbooking", it really doesn't work for me, as in keeping an event that I would normally put on a layout and doing that page in pockets, it's wonderful to see the ways it's being done but that isn't me. Day to day is perfect, but each pocket is often it's own story with few exceptions. My layouts are where I document the stories big and small, there is no way I could ever give up that pretty paper and things feeling of doing regular layouts.
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Post by myboysnme on Dec 4, 2014 17:17:41 GMT
At the height of scrapbooking, everyone jumped on board. Pictures came out of albums to go into scrapbooks. Then digital photography inundated us with thousands of unscrapped photos. People got overwhelmed. Now there of piles of pictures unscrapped and not in albums. People decided they were never going to scrap them.
A niche was found where all these unscrapped photos can slide into pockets, but leave space for the extras that make it more like a scrapbook. The goal is to get the photos into a book where they can be enjoyed, and this fits the bill.
I am an avid traditional theme scrapbooker. I have tried pocket style pages. They limit me. My photos aren't oriented the direction of the pockets, my memorabilia doesn't fit, and it just doesn't work for my style. I can place my photos on a piece of cardstock and colorblock them in the same way they would slide into pockets, put some adhesive on the back and have a page that looks like a pocket page but isn't. This works for me. I have also not sold off all of my supplies, so I like using them as often as possible.
Pocket scrapping fills a niche for folks who want to slide their pics into albums and go back and add stuff to the pockets. Not saying everyone does that, but it does help those that have abandoned traditional scrapping and have piles of photos.
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Post by scrappinmyadventures on Dec 4, 2014 18:05:19 GMT
I only use it for mini themed albums - often vacations, where at least I often end up with far more photos than detailed stories, and I want to be able to share them quickly. So lots of photos + some journaling cards + pockets = an album DONE. But I agree I can't make it work for me for regular scrapping.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 18:47:05 GMT
At the height of scrapbooking, everyone jumped on board. Pictures came out of albums to go into scrapbooks. Then digital photography inundated us with thousands of unscrapped photos. People got overwhelmed. Now there of piles of pictures unscrapped and not in albums. People decided they were never going to scrap them. A niche was found where all these unscrapped photos can slide into pockets, but leave space for the extras that make it more like a scrapbook. The goal is to get the photos into a book where they can be enjoyed, and this fits the bill. Yes, this! I was a traditional scrapper from 2001-2010 or so. As the timing worked out, the advent of digital photos (i.e. SO many!) coincided with my family growing and taking more of my time out of the house and the economy going sour so I have to work more. Voila! Pocket page scrapping saved the day! I don't have time to do traditional layouts most of the time, but I want my photos in an album while I can remember the details to journal and my kids are still home to enjoy them. Pocket pages don't have to limit you. Some ideas: Have lots of configurations and sizes handy. I've started getting odd sizes and configs when I find them on sale (or adapt the ones I already have) and now I have one for all situations (e.g., darn, I got all the photos from one event into this Design A but there are 2 horizontal pics left; I then cut a (6) horizontal 4x6 page down to (3) horizontal 4x6 slots, add 2 photos and a journaling card - done!). Also, every photo doesn't need it's own slot. Sometimes if my photo amount/configs don't match up with the page protector, I slide in the ones that fit, then put extras in 1 slot. You can put an arrow, a pull tab, or whatever to indicate "hey, there are more photos in here!" LOL Anyhow, I'm glad you've found another system that works for you (putting the photos in your own arrangement, directly onto cardstock). That's another great way to get those photos in albums for those of us too busy to scrap the traditional way. I'm a pocket-page scrapper NOW, at this time in my life. But my kids won't always be living at home, I won't always have to work this much, and I know I'll get back to traditional scrapping someday (I still do some traditional layouts, mostly at retreats where I have more time). In the meantime, I'd rather be doing pocket scrapping than nothing at all during these busy years - which is why I think a lot of scrappers have just dropped out altogether and that's sad I don't think pocket-scrapping is a DE-evolution, just an evolution to solve a problem of our times.
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Post by blemon on Dec 4, 2014 18:55:38 GMT
I agree with JourneyFan. To me, it's to each his own. I don't do project life or pocket scrapbooking but I love the look of it. All those tidy little spaces all neat and clean. I love Amy Tangerine's work especially.
I don't do 12 X 12 layouts either. I am more of a mini-book person myself. But I can see the beauty in all of it. And I can see where project life can make memory keeping much easier for busy people to just pop and go.
I bet some 80 year old gramma is lamenting her signature daschund (era?) or the movie tickets glued with rubber cement in one of those big big books with soft blank pages...
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Post by pelirroja on Dec 4, 2014 18:56:13 GMT
I think pocket scrapbooking has made everyone's pages have such a homogenous look and feel and too much "sameness". I loved the old days when I could look at a layout and identify the scrapbook artist before I read who it was credited to. So many people had such an original look and style and uniqueness to their layouts. Now, to me it all looks the same, down to even the same preprinted cards and trite sayings over and over. I've seen enough "hello" cards and "best. day. ever." sayings to last me a lifetime. No more "Yes, please": I'll say "No, thanks!".
I still scrap old school: I cut, paste, embellish, journal, and layer. Every page of mine tells its' own unique story because I firmly believe that scrapbooking is all about the storytelling. I want each LO to stand on its' own, as if I'm standing over the viewer's shoulder. Even long after I will be gone, the stories will live on. I find pocket pages to be so mundane that the characteristics of each family member (their quirks, idiosyncracies, habits, and foibles) will fall by the wayside. But not in my scrapbooks. No prperinted tickets and ephemera; no letterpress cards that say the same thing that thousands of others scrappers have in their collection.
I'll stick to my LO combos, ideas, sketches, stories, and stash of much beloved papers and pieces. I'll find the time to sb because it's my hobby and my kids don't look thru their books all that often. (Frankly, I scrap for me, not them so I'm not offended if they're not perusing their LOs). I understand the time crunch some people are up against so I do think pockets fill a niche. I'm OK with that. It's just not my thing but it's a big enough tent for all of us.
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Post by papersilly on Dec 4, 2014 19:08:05 GMT
I think the pocket pages are a trend. I am not a fan of it but I have purchased some PL cards to include in my made-from-scratch albums. I like to tuck journaling cards here and there. I just don't do the plastic pockets thing.
people have scrapbooked for generations and trends have come and gone but memory keeping has remained. who knows, maybe we will go back to clipping letters from newpapers and pics from magazines.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 19:18:41 GMT
I find pocket pages to be so mundane that the characteristics of each family member (their quirks, idiosyncracies, habits, and foibles) will fall by the wayside. But not in my scrapbooks. No prperinted tickets and ephemera; no letterpress cards that say the same thing that thousands of others scrappers have in their collection. That doesn't sound like my pocket pages at all. *Because* I pocket-page scrapbook, I'm able to capture all those things on my layouts. If I only did traditional layouts, I'd maybe have time for 3 pages a month = not nearly as many moments, quirks, habits, memories, etc captured. Maybe the pocket-page scrappers who share their work online are giving a false impression of what most of us are doing with it . . .
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Post by lovestocreate on Dec 4, 2014 20:53:58 GMT
I personally don't see a de-evolution of scrapping. There are just as many full layout scrappers as pocket page scrappers out there. I simply see it as just another option and form of creating, just as some people simply glue a photo to a blank page and write next to it.
I do pocket pages and 12x12 layouts and like each style for different reasons. I still like to cut, glue, embellish, and layer, too and can even do all that on a 3x4 card or on a 12x12.
Sometimes life is just plain busy but I still want to be creative and a pocket page is fun and easy for me. Sometimes I have extra time to spend and like to work on a 12x12 page. Those are more like a puzzle to me though and I have to work at it to make all the photos and elements fit, but that's how my brain is. The process is still fun.
I like seeing all the different styles, sizes, shapes, and colors of scrapbooks people do. I've seen amazing albums made from a simple sketchbook with only watercolors and pen used to decorate it. It's all great!
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Post by sbartist on Dec 4, 2014 20:57:25 GMT
I think pocket scrapbooking has made everyone's pages have such a homogenous look and feel and too much "sameness". I loved the old days when I could look at a layout and identify the scrapbook artist before I read who it was credited to. So many people had such an original look and style and uniqueness to their layouts. Now, to me it all looks the same, down to even the same preprinted cards and trite sayings over and over. I've seen enough "hello" cards and "best. day. ever." sayings to last me a lifetime. No more "Yes, please": I'll say "No, thanks!". I still scrap old school: I cut, paste, embellish, journal, and layer. Every page of mine tells its' own unique story because I firmly believe that scrapbooking is all about the storytelling. I want each LO to stand on its' own, as if I'm standing over the viewer's shoulder. Even long after I will be gone, the stories will live on. I find pocket pages to be so mundane that the characteristics of each family member (their quirks, idiosyncracies, habits, and foibles) will fall by the wayside. But not in my scrapbooks. No prperinted tickets and ephemera; no letterpress cards that say the same thing that thousands of others scrappers have in their collection. I'll stick to my LO combos, ideas, sketches, stories, and stash of much beloved papers and pieces. I'll find the time to sb because it's my hobby and my kids don't look thru their books all that often. (Frankly, I scrap for me, not them so I'm not offended if they're not perusing their LOs). I understand the time crunch some people are up against so I do think pockets fill a niche. I'm OK with that. It's just not my thing but it's a big enough tent for all of us. Precisely why I try to create my own embellishments as opposed to buying them.
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 4, 2014 22:33:28 GMT
I still do traditional scrapbooking, but I do PL type scrapbooking too. For me, it is an evolution, and a positive one, because, with five kids and a full-time job, the things I was scrapbooking on full-sized pages were truly random. I was never going to get to it all. I can manage a 4*6 "layout" about an event pretty quickly; not so much a double-sided 12*12 spread, which was what I was doing. Again, I still do those, but I love that at the end of every year, I can look back and see what we were up to; with my older scrapbooks, it is harder to tell.
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Post by megs78 on Dec 4, 2014 22:53:35 GMT
I tried pocket scrapping for a couple of years. I wanted to love it but in the end, I found that I missed the tactile experience of cutting, pasting, creating. All of my photos are now online and I can share them easily and readily with family (we have an Apple TV to flick them up on the tv to show people, we all use Dropbox to share photos etc), so my scrapbooking is as much about the process as it is about the end result.
Interestingly, I felt far more pressure to "keep up" when I was pocket scrapping than I do making traditional layouts.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Dec 4, 2014 23:07:14 GMT
I don't know why it has to be either/or. If you don't like pocket scrap booking that's your prerogative. However, I don't think it's less creative than traditional layouts. I use my Project Life as a journal/diary that just happens to include photos and memorabilia. I see both pocket layouts and traditional layouts that look like everyone else's out there. These arguments (from either side including digital) seem to need to denigrate the other to prove their way is more creative/authentic.
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Post by pelirroja on Dec 4, 2014 23:30:07 GMT
One of the most interesting minibooks I ever saw was one created by Erica Hernandez: she had used all different misc. sizes of page protectors on her project. There were 2-up pocket pages in between a 5" x 7" on one side and an 8" x 8" on the other. I don't know if it was a mishmash of using up what she had on hand but it seemed like the sizes she used really flattered and fit each page: it really showed the photos to their best advantage. It was a great concept and in the end, it is way better to have something scrapped than in a shoebox.
I do think there can be an undercurrent of competition in scrapping: I've never understood it or participated in it but some sites do have a definite feel of one-upsmanship to what should be a fun hobby. Each of us should do what fits our life, style, and time availability. For some, that means 12" x 12" and for others, it's pockets. To each her own. I'm not sure it's de-evolution per se, but rather doing what is appropriate and practical for one's time, interests, and abilities.
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Post by sophikins on Dec 5, 2014 1:17:48 GMT
As the OP, I didn't mean to denigrate anyone's style, or suggest that anything should be competitive. It was just a personal observation. In 1989 when my first dd was born I had those photos albums with the pockets. I slid in all my photos and then I had occasional journaling cards with dates, names and other information. It just seems like the "new" pocket pages are not much different, except that now there are many different pocket sizes, and you can buy reams of spacer cards with pre-printed sentiments or other embellishments. (Maybe it was the stacks of essentially identical boxed up sets from BH that personally turned me off to pocket pages, since I agree there are also many creative, original pocket pages.)
I remember being so excited when I saw those early issues of Creating Keepsakes and then buying patterned paper, deco scissors (eek!), a paper cutter; and then over the years all the punches, stickers, buttons, eyelets, ribbon, fiber etc. Whatever style works for you is the way to go, so I will just keeping making those traditional layouts, with some mini albums for special occasions (like Dec Daily). If I want to see pocket pages at home I will look at my albums from twenty five years ago, since I have not gotten around to pulling those photos out and "scrapping" them yet.
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Post by mikklynn on Dec 5, 2014 1:24:22 GMT
I do traditional 12 x 12 scrapbooking. I like to use the divided pocket pages for "extra" photos I don't necessarily want a whole page for. I put it in between a two page layout. I usually use 3 horizontal pockets on the side closest to the d-rings and cut off the outside half of the pockets. That way you can still see part of my 2 page layout. Or I'll use 4 of the 6 vertical pockets.
If I can't use all those pockets, I put in coordinating paper and maybe an embellishment.
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Post by tiffanytwisted on Dec 5, 2014 1:36:04 GMT
I do both and for different reasons. I like Project Life for it ease and I did start out doing a photo a day. I don't anymore, but still use it primarily for random pics that don't need an entire 12x12 page. I also put the photos my husband takes while he's traveling on business. Slip a photo in, journal, slip the card in, done.
However, I could never give up traditional scrapping. It is the place where I get to be creative. There's something about pulling together patterned papers & embellishments and trying new techniques that I just love. I don't get the same rush, if you will, from pocket scrapping.
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Post by woodysbetty on Dec 5, 2014 2:50:52 GMT
Not a pocket page person.....I'm just not organized enough...love to see them as I often change the size of pages in my books but it isn't me.... However, I think its great to have trends....keeps the hobby fun and interesting....
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Post by 950nancy on Dec 5, 2014 3:52:05 GMT
I probably put 3 pages of pocket pages in a 25 page scrapbook. I only use them if I want to get some extra photos in a layout without producing another double paged layout. For me, it isn't scrapping, it is about additional pictures. I also don't want to take a bunch of photos of things that don't mean that much to me. I don't need a picture of a backpack, but do want pictures of some special holiday ornaments.
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Post by megs78 on Dec 5, 2014 4:39:48 GMT
I remember being so excited when I saw those early issues of Creating Keepsakes and then buying patterned paper, deco scissors (eek!), a paper cutter; and then over the years all the punches, stickers, buttons, eyelets, ribbon, fiber etc. I remember that feeling too - wasn't it great!
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Dec 5, 2014 5:30:58 GMT
I think with any hobby, thing, item, etc.... there are those who are in it for the long haul, and there are those "who jump on the bandwagon of the moment" and move on when the next thing comes along.
In the city I am in, the current thing is those wine and paint on canvas - nights outs. Which I have no interest in at all.
I have been scrapbookng for about 18 years or so. It's my thing. I am in it for the long haul. "Old school" scrapbooking, meaning paper, embellishments, etc...
I don't care for the pockets, insert type pages. Nor do I care for digital. Scrapbooking style is an individualized thing "to each, their own".
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Post by gmcwife1 on Dec 5, 2014 6:15:40 GMT
I don't know why it has to be either/or. If you don't like pocket scrap booking that's your prerogative. However, I don't think it's less creative than traditional layouts. I use my Project Life as a journal/diary that just happens to include photos and memorabilia. I see both pocket layouts and traditional layouts that look like everyone else's out there. These arguments (from either side including digital) seem to need to denigrate the other to prove their way is more creative/authentic. I agree and I do both. Both styles work for me for different things. Following my puppy as I train him is perfect for pocket pages. Random shots of him being his goofy self, perfect for a layout in the dog scrapbook.
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Post by love2scrap on Dec 5, 2014 12:43:47 GMT
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Post by mikklynn on Dec 5, 2014 13:53:43 GMT
It's another way to record memories. That's the important thing. Record those memories. I am a traditional scrapper. I just love to put down a 12x12 sheet that's blank and love the real estate. I am happy about the 6x12 pocket pages that's come out. It helps me when I have a lot of pictures, especially in a travel album That is a lot like what I do! WRMK albums usually come with one pocket page. I will sometimes use the whole 12 x 12 pocket page, but more often cut it down, like the 6x12 you show.
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Post by lazytown on Dec 5, 2014 18:16:20 GMT
Really I think the most important thing is finding a system you enjoy, whether it's just putting the photos in pocket pages with just a little bit of journaling, lots and lots of journaling with just a few photos, or major works of art with tons of supplies. I think the only "pressure" comes from seeing lots of designer work using the "latest" products - of course they're using lots of the latest products, because they're being compensated to help sell the products! You could easily make beautiful, stylish scrapbooks using just a few products, things on sale and other people's discards, we just don't see much of that on the internet!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 20:39:53 GMT
And this is why I like crafting.
The trends can change, and if I don't want to go with that flow, I don't have to. If everyone stopped scrapbooking as an industry altogether, I could still sit and make my 12 x 12 pages because I have the tools (adhesive isn't going away, and I have stencils, pens, punches, stamps, ink) and even if I run out of paper, I can create my own patterns or use wallpaper books or other creative outlets.
So I don't think too much about the craft devolving these days. I do know pocket scrapbooking wouldn't make me happy, but that's not a judgment, just a decision.
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Post by mrscraftyadams on Dec 6, 2014 2:29:08 GMT
I do PL and 12x12's. I don't see why it matters how people document their memories; the point is for the pictures and stories to be enjoyed! I love flipping through my PL and seeing random stories and pictures that I wouldn't see as often otherwise.
I don't do PL because it is "easier" or "quicker". Some people choose to slip in cards and pictures and do a little bit of journaling... others creative quite detailed spreads. You can cut up scrapbook paper, use coordinating paper pad collections or mix & match, you can use punches or your electronic die cutter, you can paste, use techniques, stamp, embellish, etc. You can make PL as creative as you want to make it. Perhaps a more embellished PL spread would suit your taste.
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