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Post by epeanymous on Sept 24, 2022 3:54:52 GMT
Hello! I know many people here have had family members with dementia, so I am asking for some guidance. If you have had this experience, what kinds of things did you notice? My mother is 79; my father died earlier this year, and for a while, I attributed her behavior to some combination of loss and a lifetime of having some incompetence with life tasks, but it had been almost six months at this point, and I am concerned that what I am observing may not be just grief and being unsettled--maybe it is! But I am.l not sure. She isn't really having memory issues, I do not think, but she seems to be showing a lot of other signs of mental decline.
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Post by Anita on Sept 24, 2022 4:16:43 GMT
A loss of interest in things. Confusion. Repetitiveness. Trying to cover things up to save face. What have you noticed?
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 24, 2022 4:33:32 GMT
Repetitive conversations or actions, general forgetfulness such as putting things in the wrong places, getting lost in familiar places, irritability/depression, acting or speaking in a manner that isn’t characteristic with how they used to be. For example, my mom started saying rude things about people that she NEVER would have said before, like if she happened to see someone with piercings or colored hair, etc. she would loudly comment about those things and we would be mortified. 😳
With my mom, it was difficult for us to pick up on initially. She lived with her twin sister and we didn’t realize how much they compensated for each other. My aunt had some physical issues but was mentally sharp. My mom was physically able to do things but was getting really forgetful. Between the two of them they could manage okay, but after my aunt passed away unexpectedly, it eventually became clear that mom was having memory issues.
My sweet neighbors are going through this right now. She is so sweet to us when she sees us, but she is becoming so negative and downright mean to her DH. It’s heartbreaking to witness.
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Post by mom on Sept 24, 2022 4:42:21 GMT
My grandmother had Alzheimer's before she died. Its kinda weird, but the first symptoms we noticed that something was wrong was her personality changed (and not for the good), she quit going to see her friends, and she had balance issues. We didn't know it at the time, but all of those things are symptoms of dementia happening.
My dad has dementia (not super bad, yet) and he forgets random things but nothing really important. Like, he will brush his teeth twice because he didn't recall doing it earlier. He also will randomly forget how to play Dominos (even though he's played for decades). But the next time he plays, he will remember how to do it.
Edited to add: both seemed to quit caring about how they looked (getting haircuts, shaving, we have to force them to shower on the regular) fairly early on. Dad will still attempt - most days - to be presentable, but its definitely not a high priority.
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Post by brynn on Sept 24, 2022 4:51:12 GMT
Repetitive conversations or actions, general forgetfulness such as putting things in the wrong places, getting lost in familiar places, irritability/depression, acting or speaking in a manner that isn’t characteristic with how they used to be. For example, my mom started saying rude things about people that she NEVER would have said before, like if she happened to see someone with piercings or colored hair, etc. she would loudly comment about those things and we would be mortified. 😳 With my mom, it was difficult for us to pick up on initially. She lived with her twin sister and we didn’t realize how much they compensated for each other. My aunt had some physical issues but was mentally sharp. My mom was physically able to do things but was getting really forgetful. Between the two of them they could manage okay, but after my aunt passed away unexpectedly, it eventually became clear that mom was having memory issues. My sweet neighbors are going through this right now. She is so sweet to us when she sees us, but she is becoming so negative and downright mean to her DH. It’s heartbreaking to witness. ((Hugs)) It's so hard.
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Post by gar on Sept 24, 2022 7:37:41 GMT
Forgetting simple things like how to make a cup of tea - knowing she had to do something with a spoon, a cup and putting something in the cup but not knowing what. Not retaining simple instructions, appearing confused by simple routines, being snappy, repeating tasks and conversations. Wanting to look for things they feel they’ve lost- a common one is wanting to ‘go home’. They’re not actually looking for an old home/property but searching for the secure feeling of being home.
I hope your fears are unfounded, truly.
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Post by joelise on Sept 24, 2022 8:06:22 GMT
Forgetting simple things like how to make a cup of tea - knowing she had to do something with a spoon, a cup and putting something in the cup but not knowing what. Not retaining simple instructions, appearing confused by simple routines, being snappy, repeating tasks and conversations. Wanting to look for things they feel they’ve lost- a common one is wanting to ‘go home’. They’re not actually looking for an old home/property but searching for the secure feeling of being home. I hope your fears are unfounded, truly. The wanting to ‘go home’ is heartbreaking isn’t it. My dad kept asking for a lift home, whilst he was at home, he would be upset with me because I didn’t give him a lift. One of the first signs we noticed in my dad was the delay in replying to us. You could see his mind working hard to work out an answer. In the later stages he said ‘I’m a man with an empty brain’. I hope your mum is OK.
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Post by vsimone on Sept 24, 2022 8:39:44 GMT
There are many types of dementia. The earliest signs my father noticed with my step mum were a sudden irrational fear of going anywhere alone and constantly locking all the doors, even if dad was just in the garage. Then she became extremely rude to people about their appearance, and became obsessed with beauty. She started spending thousands of dollars on makeup, Botox an fillers. At the same time she became increasingly flirty to men, even strangers. Her walk changed to more of a lopping gait. This all took about 18 months to progress. She then went into a care facility and no longer takes care of herself. She doesn't shower, change her clothes or use the toilet without help or prompting. All through this there have been times where she speaks fluently and with great interest but increasingly she is losing all interest in talking even though she remembers us a lot of the time and we mostly just get a yes to everything we say.
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Post by Linda on Sept 24, 2022 12:01:06 GMT
repetitive conversations, a lack of interest in phone calls - she used to call and talk for ages and then she would hurry us off the phone always with an excuse, buying things things she already had - she bought evaporated milk every time she went to the store because she needed it (she had a big backstock), getting lost, less interest in hygiene, paranoia - she 'lost' her handbag because she hid it to keep it safe and couldn't find it again for instance, she lost the ability to work her computer including not remembering how to sign in, she hoarded a bunch of stuff but also donated a bunch (including stuff I really wish she hadn't), she continued to buy books but lost the ability to follow the story - she still sat and 'read' though.
She compensated well though and it wasn't unti I went and spent a week with her that all that was really obvious and then looking back, the signs were there much earlier.
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Post by lisae on Sept 24, 2022 12:05:40 GMT
Repeating the same question or statement. At first it was telling us something she had just said 20 minutes earlier. But the interval quickly grew more frequent as her short term memory declined.
We took her on a trip to Charleston that she had helped plan. She kept asking 'what are we going to do Thursday?' (Our last day) and I would tell her that was the day we were going on the garden tour which was the main purpose of the trip. She seemed to have no memory of us picking out which tour we would go on. She was confused about a lot on that trip but things seemed to return to normal when she got home for awhile.
Looking back, there were a couple of other clues. She stopped reading for pleasure. She said she liked large print books so I bought those and she packed them away and didn't read them. I offered many times to take her to the library so she could choose a book and she always made up an excuse. I think she had just gotten to the point that she couldn't remember what she read to follow the story. She eventually stopped reading the paper. The big clue there was she stopped telling me who had died because the obituary was always one of the first things she read.
Also, right after my dad died, she started flirting with men. All men. Young, old, married, single. It made no difference. Being more sexually aggressive is a sign of Alzheimers. That's too strong a term for mother's flirting at least at first. But there was no question that she was behaving differently than she had when she was married.
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Post by mikklynn on Sept 24, 2022 13:08:38 GMT
My mom tried to pay her home insurance at the courthouse, like her taxes.
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Post by CardBoxer on Sept 24, 2022 13:20:34 GMT
Seeing those changes is really hard. I’m sorry.
I hope this doesn’t sound silly, but checking for a UTI can be important. They’re more common in older people and can cause behavioral changes that look like dementia.
And sometimes it’s both. My mother-in-law has some dementia—she’s 98 and it began a few years ago—but it worsened. She had a UTI and after being treated went back to her previous level of dementia.
Coincidentally I was reading a light (and not very good) novel recently and in one very brief segment family members were concerned their mother had dementia due to unusual anger and forgetfulness. It turned out to be a UTI. I imagined the author had personal experience with a family member and wanted to slip in a PSA.
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Post by scraplette on Sept 24, 2022 13:38:45 GMT
@cardboxer , thank you for mentioning UTI. It’s something we don’t seem to know until witnessing it!
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Post by whipea on Sept 24, 2022 14:46:21 GMT
The situation with my mother was similar to yours. My mother was always very neat, quiet, independent and a subtle take charge kind of person. About six months to a year after my father died, I started to notice she was wearing clothes with spots or stains. She would never do that. When I asked her about it she just kind of brushed it off, which was out of character too. Just several very subtle signs that could have been attributed to many things.
Some of the bigger signs were when I would come by to see her she always appeared to be sleeping on the couch, something she would never do. She was sleeping a lot so I thought it may be depression though she denied it, but took her to the doctor anyway. Of course he said depression and prescribed Prozac which she refused to take, stating she was not depressed. Then I started to notice other small things, like food she always ate was not touched. I asked her why and she said she did not feel like heating it up, then later told me she was afraid she would start a fire. The truth was she forgot how to use appliances, like the microwave and stove.
Things progressed to to point she was leaving food out, not answering the phone and having issues with hygiene. She would also say she felt insecure and her head was like a cabbage. We hired in-home care but it was awful. We tried a few agencies and the outcome was the same. Some of the caretakers would bring their kids or just be negligent.
This was progression over about a eight year time frame, from my father's death to placement in a facility. First few years after noticing symptoms, she was pretty lucid and we discussed her situation. She said she wanted to be with people like her so we found a good skilled memory care facility where she lived until she died at 96.
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Post by scrapmaven on Sept 24, 2022 16:29:44 GMT
My fil would be doing something he had done for decades and then stop in the middle and forget why or what he was doing. He would do things that we'd consider weird like forgetting which food item goes w/what. He tried putting thousand island dressing on his pizza when his salad was right in front of him. He would get confused when he was out somewhere and not know what he was doing. Simple tasks became difficult. There are other things that can accompany dementia like loss of smell. As things progressed it became obvious, but at the beginning it was just little things that were off. He was always a gentle person, but at the beginning things weren't making sense and we'd question ourselves.
I really wonder if your mom is just very depressed? Can you get an appt with her doctor? He/She can do a simple 10 min cognitive test and maybe help get your mom into grief counseling, if needed. I'm so sorry that you're having problems w/you mom, especially so soon after your father's passing.
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 24, 2022 16:38:48 GMT
Thanks, guys. I was asking because I have always thought of dementia as sometime involving memory loss or delusions, but she isn't really forgetting things--she occasionally calls my youngest by my cousin's name, but that is about it. The kinds of things that I have noticed are more to the effect of extreme irritability (she flies off the handle about literally everything), nervousness, trouble doing relatively straightforward tasks, and mixing up times for things. I was discussing it with my therapist (when I was young, my mother had a lot of issues around things like handling administrative tasks or following driving directions, so I thought it was more of the same), and my therapist was the one who brought up the possibility of dementia. Of course, I am not sure exactly what to do about it, because my mother refuses to see a doctor .
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Post by gar on Sept 24, 2022 18:30:23 GMT
Mum was a rule follower - if she was resisting seeing the GP I said he’d asked to see her. She would accept it it from an ‘authority’ as she saw it. Might that work for you?
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Sept 24, 2022 18:59:50 GMT
Mum was a rule follower - if she was resisting seeing the GP I said he’d asked to see her. She would accept it it from an ‘authority’ as she saw it. Might that work for you? I was going to suggest that. Doctors are more than happy to be "the bad guys" when trying to get people to do something they don't want to do.
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Post by quietgirl on Sept 24, 2022 21:58:38 GMT
Seeing those changes is really hard. I’m sorry. I hope this doesn’t sound silly, but checking for a UTI can be important. They’re more common in older people and can cause behavioral changes that look like dementia. And sometimes it’s both. My mother-in-law has some dementia—she’s 98 and it began a few years ago—but it worsened. She had a UTI and after being treated went back to her previous level of dementia. Coincidentally I was reading a light (and not very good) novel recently and in one very brief segment family members were concerned their mother had dementia due to unusual anger and forgetfulness. It turned out to be a UTI. I imagined the author had personal experience with a family member and wanted to slip in a PSA. Not silly in the least. I came to post this very suggestion but read thru to make sure I wasn't repeating. This happened to my friend's mom, and a neighbor's mom, both recently.
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Post by tentoes on Sept 24, 2022 22:07:04 GMT
My grandmother had Alzheimer's before she died. Its kinda weird, but the first symptoms we noticed that something was wrong was her personality changed (and not for the good), she quit going to see her friends, and she had balance issues. We didn't know it at the time, but all of those things are symptoms of dementia happening. My dad has dementia (not super bad, yet) and he forgets random things but nothing really important. Like, he will brush his teeth twice because he didn't recall doing it earlier. He also will randomly forget how to play Dominos (even though he's played for decades). But the next time he plays, he will remember how to do it. Edited to add: both seemed to quit caring about how they looked (getting haircuts, shaving, we have to force them to shower on the regular) fairly early on. Dad will still attempt - most days - to be presentable, but its definitely not a high priority. My bil has it, and the bold part is a big thing. He gets mad easily. CAN be violent. He won't take the dog out. They live in an apartment, and on the 4th floor at that,and my sister walks with a walker, and can't walk the dog either--so they had to hire a dog walker. My bil has to be threatened with "no visits" from grandchildren unless you take a shower--and he's never been like that!! Thankfully, their daughter took away their car, but when he was driving it scared me to death!!
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Post by gramma on Sept 25, 2022 2:05:27 GMT
An inability to "do" numbers. As I look back one of the first signs with my husband was when we put a for sale sign on our car. He came into the house furious with me for putting $40,000 on the sign. It was $4,000. One of the initial tests he had was to draw a clock, place the numbers on it and make the hands show 10 minutes till 2. He could not do it. These days he cannot tell time. He suffers from balance and dizziness issues. He has many of the issues you all have described. His is vascular dementia. He is so very sad he can no longer drive, especially his 1932 Ford Roadster. Can I say I HATE DEMENTIA?
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Post by tentoes on Sept 25, 2022 3:17:00 GMT
. Can I say I HATE DEMENTIA? Definitely!!! I'm right there with you!! It's so hard to see my dear bil the way he is now, and have my sister be afraid of him at times. They have been married for 61 years!!
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Post by gar on Sept 25, 2022 17:06:34 GMT
Can I say I HATE DEMENTIA? Absolutely!
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Post by peabay on Sept 25, 2022 17:12:44 GMT
Two of the first things that might be seen are an inability to count change and getting lost in areas that are familiar.
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Post by amom23 on Sept 25, 2022 17:54:00 GMT
My mom started to lose interest in regular activities like going to church (said she didn't care for the minister). She started having trouble using her iPhone and computer (used to be super tech savy). Mom also became obsessed with random things and people. Most of it wasn't valid.
In our case it was much easier to look back and say "Oh yeah....." than to realize things were off at the time. So much more came to light after we got mom moved into an assisted living apartment.
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Post by hennybutton on Sept 25, 2022 18:47:00 GMT
My mom started to lose interest in regular activities like going to church (said she didn't care for the minister). She started having trouble using her iPhone and computer (used to be super tech savy). Mom also became obsessed with random things and people. Most of it wasn't valid. In our case it was much easier to look back and say "Oh yeah....." than to realize things were off at the time. So much more came to light after we got mom moved into an assisted living apartment. I think the trouble with technology was the first sign with my mom. She had always been on the cutting edge. Then, my brother and his wife gave her a tablet one Christmas and not only could she not figure out how to use it on her own, she couldn't follow what we were telling her when we tried to help her. She also developed and inability to be around groups of people, even those she knew well. If we had a family gathering in our home, she would be the last to arrive and the first to leave. She had always been introverted, but it became extreme. Later on, she started remembering things that didn't happen. That grew worse as she declined. We first noticed it after my stepfather died. He had gone to the doctor for something and the doctor called an ambulance to take him to the ER. He was doing okay for a couple of days, then coded and was on life support for about 10 days. My mom spent very little time at the hospital, probably due to social anxiety, so I was the one by his side when he died. I think it was telling when he told the nurse he wanted me to be his decision maker. He had been covering her mental decline for years. A few weeks after he died, my mom started telling everyone that they had gone to a party and he had collapsed on the lawn, dying in front of her. To her, this was more real than what really happened and she couldn't comprehend what really happened. Dementia really sucks.
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Post by MerryMom on Sept 25, 2022 23:09:06 GMT
Some signs of depression can be mistaken for dementia.
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on Sept 26, 2022 2:51:54 GMT
Please look into widows brain fog. I just turned 56 and am entering my 8th month of this. Just a few of the things I have done in the last 8 months include, but are not limited to getting lost driving in the city I have lived in for 41 years, road rage for the first time in my life, transferring money to and from the wrong accounts, paid my bills on line and tried to pay them again the next day, wandered around the grocery store only to remember I was on my way to the bank, put food in the microwave to find it the next day, lost my car in a parking lot (at least 20 times), going to appointments on the wrong day or time, written down a phone number on a form we haven't had in 30 years. It comes with so much overwhelming anxiety and fear. I will forever be grateful to my NP who immediately knew what was happening when I told him I was losing my mind. Unfortunately, the only cure is time, but it's reassuring to know it's normal and common. Sending hugs and positive thoughts to you and your mom.
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