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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 27, 2022 18:00:39 GMT
Our elementary schools do an annual fundraiser during homecoming week, and students are eligible to "win" the chance to throw a pie in the face of the principal. In the past they have also done things like dunk tanks during other school activities. I really do not like this, as IMO it is disrespectful to the teachers/staff and is just not funny. I would definitely not like to be volunteered for that but of course I don't know how the staff who participate feel. What are your thoughts? Is it worth sending an email to show support for finding a new way to show appreciation for the fundraising? Or just let it be?
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Post by busy on Sept 27, 2022 18:05:17 GMT
I don't think the staff would continue participating in things like this if they didn't enjoy it. I'd let it be.
If the people with whom the students have day-to-day relationships feel this is fun for everyone and continue it from year to year, I don't think a parent needs to come in an pronounce it disrespectful.
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Post by Miss Ang on Sept 27, 2022 18:34:43 GMT
Our elementary schools do an annual fundraiser during homecoming week, and students are eligible to "win" the chance to throw a pie in the face of the principal. In the past they have also done things like dunk tanks during other school activities. I really do not like this, as IMO it is disrespectful to the teachers/staff and is just not funny. I would definitely not like to be volunteered for that but of course I don't know how the staff who participate feel. What are your thoughts? Is it worth sending an email to show support for finding a new way to show appreciation for the fundraising? Or just let it be? It's one thing if you knew teachers/staff didn't like it but felt forced, but if THEY aren't upset about, it's not really for you to get in a twist about. It sounds to me like it's all in good fun. My kids loved when they had challenges like this when they were in school. We've even done this at church with the youth minister. Just because messy-goofy fun isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean others feel that way.
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Post by littlemama on Sept 27, 2022 18:36:00 GMT
Why do you feel it is your place to object? Surely if the actual participants didnt like it, they wouldnt participate or they would object. This is a case of being offended on behalf of someone else, who is not actually offended.
If you dont want your kids to participate in the activity, then by all means, dont allow them to but dont suck the fun out if it for everyone else
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Post by Merge on Sept 27, 2022 18:43:40 GMT
Having been “voluntold” into the dunking booth one year against my wishes, I think it doesn’t hurt to ask. Teachers may be pressured by admin into doing those things.
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Post by pilcas on Sept 27, 2022 18:47:55 GMT
I think this is wrong on many levels and I can’t believe anybody would think that the people who bear the brunt of it actually find it fun.maybe they feel pressured into it, you know, a good cause and all. There is a thin line between doing this to someone who is ok with it and doing it to someone who is not. Should be fun for everyone right?
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Post by pantsonfire on Sept 27, 2022 19:18:19 GMT
That and shave your hair off are two of the biggest fund raisers at dh' site.
None of the teachers are forced to do it. It is all voluntary.
Kids, staff, AND teachers all have fun.
At another site in a neighboring, a senior participated and that raised a lot too.
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Post by busy on Sept 27, 2022 19:25:30 GMT
I think this is wrong on many levels and I can’t believe anybody would think that the people who bear the brunt of it actually find it fun.maybe they feel pressured into it, you know, a good cause and all. There is a thin line between doing this to someone who is ok with it and doing it to someone who is not. Should be fun for everyone right? I've borne the brunt of similar stuff and thought it was fun. It was for a good cause, I volunteered, and good fun was had by all. You may not find it fun and that's fine, but be careful extrapolating your feelings to everyone else.
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Post by busy on Sept 27, 2022 19:27:23 GMT
Having been “voluntold” into the dunking booth one year against my wishes, I think it doesn’t hurt to ask. Teachers may be pressured by admin into doing those things. Agreed that it can't hurt to ask the teachers, but the OP doesn't seem to be suggesting that, rather just asking for a different kind of fundraiser because she doesn't like this one.
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Post by cakediva on Sept 27, 2022 19:37:17 GMT
If the staff volunteers for it, then I see no need to cause a fuss because you find it disrespectful.
We used to do a dunk tank - it was a huge hit.
One year, we had a staff member volunteer to shave their head if the kids raised enough money - and we ended up with two male teachers with shaved heads, and a female teacher who got a "very short hair cut"
They all volunteered, and the kids got a huge kick out of it!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 27, 2022 20:17:34 GMT
I think it is interesting that so many think this is ok. After posting I remembered the thread last year that discussed teachers having to pick up change from a gym floor during a game or something like that and they could use the money towards their classroom and it seemed that most were really up in arms about that. This seems similar to me. I do think it is one thing if it is all voluntary as opposed to someone being pressured. But in that situation above it was also voluntary, but deemed demeaning towards teachers.
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Post by littlemama on Sept 27, 2022 21:01:23 GMT
I think it is interesting that so many think this is ok. After posting I remembered the thread last year that discussed teachers having to pick up change from a gym floor during a game or something like that and they could use the money towards their classroom and it seemed that most were really up in arms about that. This seems similar to me. I do think it is one thing if it is all voluntary as opposed to someone being pressured. But in that situation above it was also voluntary, but deemed demeaning towards teachers. Surely you can see the difference between teachers crawling around on the floor scrounging for change to use on classroom supplies and teachers volunteering for a dunk tank or a pie in the face.
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Post by pantsonfire on Sept 27, 2022 21:15:41 GMT
I think it is interesting that so many think this is ok. After posting I remembered the thread last year that discussed teachers having to pick up change from a gym floor during a game or something like that and they could use the money towards their classroom and it seemed that most were really up in arms about that. This seems similar to me. I do think it is one thing if it is all voluntary as opposed to someone being pressured. But in that situation above it was also voluntary, but deemed demeaning towards teachers. Apples and oranges here.
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Post by katlady on Sept 27, 2022 21:19:51 GMT
I think it is interesting that so many think this is ok. After posting I remembered the thread last year that discussed teachers having to pick up change from a gym floor during a game or something like that and they could use the money towards their classroom and it seemed that most were really up in arms about that. This seems similar to me. I do think it is one thing if it is all voluntary as opposed to someone being pressured. But in that situation above it was also voluntary, but deemed demeaning towards teachers. Surely you can see the difference between teachers crawling around on the floor scrounging for change to use on classroom supplies and teachers volunteering for a dunk tank or a pie in the face. Yeah, in my mind, it is like someone throwing their change on the ground and watching kids scramble to pick it up, an amusement for the more well off person to watch. I would even prefer an easter egg hunt type of activity to just picking up coins off the ground. For the pie in the face, as long as the person volunteered freely, I don't see a problem with it. Our CEO volunteers for the dunk tank for our annual charity fundraiser event. He has a blast and even eggs on the thrower.
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 27, 2022 21:22:30 GMT
Having been “voluntold” into the dunking booth one year against my wishes, I think it doesn’t hurt to ask. Teachers may be pressured by admin into doing those things. I get voluntold to do a karaoke fundraiser and while I really appreciate that no one is out there trying to upset anyone, even as an extroverted self-deprecating person, man, do I hate it and dread it.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 27, 2022 21:48:21 GMT
I have never thought that it was funny, but lots of folks seem to like it, and it is always a big fundraiser. So it doesn’t bother me because I don’t have to do it.
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Post by mom on Sept 27, 2022 22:23:02 GMT
I think this is one of those things that if you don't like, then don't participate. Assuming all the participants are grown adults, then let them participate or not as they wish.
Re: comparing this to scrounging around on the floor for classroom money...this is not the same.
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Post by flanz on Sept 27, 2022 22:25:52 GMT
I think it is interesting that so many think this is ok. After posting I remembered the thread last year that discussed teachers having to pick up change from a gym floor during a game or something like that and they could use the money towards their classroom and it seemed that most were really up in arms about that. This seems similar to me. I do think it is one thing if it is all voluntary as opposed to someone being pressured. But in that situation above it was also voluntary, but deemed demeaning towards teachers. I'm on the bench beside you. Feels unnecessary and demeaning to me. And I've done a LOT of PTA fundraising.
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Post by Merge on Sept 27, 2022 22:28:21 GMT
Having been “voluntold” into the dunking booth one year against my wishes, I think it doesn’t hurt to ask. Teachers may be pressured by admin into doing those things. Agreed that it can't hurt to ask the teachers, but the OP doesn't seem to be suggesting that, rather just asking for a different kind of fundraiser because she doesn't like this one. Maybe she changed the OP? I'm not sure. But she seemed to be asking about suggesting rather than demanding. I think the best thing might be to quietly ask some of the teachers involved if they enjoy doing it, or if they're being pressured by admin or other parents and would like someone to suggest a different activity. Often parents can make changes that teachers don't feel comfortable asking for.
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Post by LazyDaisy on Sept 27, 2022 23:28:08 GMT
I’ll chime in! I’m an elementary principal who gleefully participates in these events. Would I rather be pampered at a spa—-sure! LOL But, I’m mostly talking about fundraising events where I am recognizing that the kids have the most fun when they get to participate in the wins. I’d rather the kids get to participate and watch and cheer along with me getting pied than have only a few big fundraising kids get a chance to win a limo ride to a pizza place, for instance. I’m not asking teachers to be the ones getting messy with me, though, so there is no pressure there. When the kids reach the financial goal, I’ve gotten “pied” (paper plates with shaving cream while I wear big safety goggles), slime, etc. I’ve kissed a pig. When the PTA is the one looking for a prize, I tell them what I’m willing and not willing to do (I’m fat and claustrophobic and don’t want to be duct taped to a wall, I won’t eat a gross bug, and so on). I recognize that the OP’s specific situation may be different if it’s more than one school participating, though, and the people don’t feel like they have much of a choice. So, overall, I do it in the spirit of fun and personally don’t feel degraded. The kids are actually pretty sweet and appreciate us having fun with them. When I was a teacher and we did dunking booths, we enjoyed it! Heck, at that time I’d rather do my time in the dunking booth than be in charge of a hot rowdy game at a a=carnival booth. :-)
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 27, 2022 23:37:55 GMT
Ah, the joys of being a teacher. We had tons of things like this for fund raisers. My favorite (truly) was getting the most money raised in her name to have to kiss a pig. I would have done it for free. We had stuff like this all of the time. Dunk tank, pies, lots of throwing things at you etc. After a while, it became more of a do these things to the principal and vice principal. They were always up for it. YEARS ago one of the high schools did a fund raiser that put the teacher on the roof of the school. One year a teacher fell off and broke her back. Yeah, that stopped. If a teacher volunteers, I think it is great, but we had a lot of them where all of the teachers names were eligible and some teacher were ticked.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 28, 2022 0:34:29 GMT
Agreed that it can't hurt to ask the teachers, but the OP doesn't seem to be suggesting that, rather just asking for a different kind of fundraiser because she doesn't like this one. Maybe she changed the OP? I'm not sure. But she seemed to be asking about suggesting rather than demanding. I think the best thing might be to quietly ask some of the teachers involved if they enjoy doing it, or if they're being pressured by admin or other parents and would like someone to suggest a different activity. Often parents can make changes that teachers don't feel comfortable asking for. I wouldn't demand a change. I think it is a good idea to ask some teacher friends what the general feelings are regarding this part of the fundraiser. I should also clarify that the pie in the face is not the fundraiser. Kids are sent home with an envelope and asked to ask family members or friends (but not go door to door) for money for the PTO. It is the only fundraiser throughout the year. If kids bring back their envelope (even if it is empty) they are eligible to win the chance to throw the pie in the principals face. It just seems like there would be another way to celebrate the end of the fundraiser than pie in the face. But who knows, maybe the staff like it.
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Post by mom on Sept 28, 2022 1:51:29 GMT
Maybe she changed the OP? I'm not sure. But she seemed to be asking about suggesting rather than demanding. I think the best thing might be to quietly ask some of the teachers involved if they enjoy doing it, or if they're being pressured by admin or other parents and would like someone to suggest a different activity. Often parents can make changes that teachers don't feel comfortable asking for. I wouldn't demand a change. I think it is a good idea to ask some teacher friends what the general feelings are regarding this part of the fundraiser. I should also clarify that the pie in the face is not the fundraiser. Kids are sent home with an envelope and asked to ask family members or friends (but not go door to door) for money for the PTO. It is the only fundraiser throughout the year. If kids bring back their envelope (even if it is empty) they are eligible to win the chance to throw the pie in the principals face. It just seems like there would be another way to celebrate the end of the fundraiser than pie in the face. But who knows, maybe the staff like it. 1. Why ask anyone other than those who are *actually* involved in getting the pie in their face? If you are truly concerned about those who are expected to be hit with pie, then ask them. Otherwise it looks like you just want anyone to agree with you. 2. If this is the only fundraiser that is done, you are extremely lucky. That also probably means it does really well or at least well enough for no wrapping paper sales, etc. Im sure its probably successful BECAUSE the kids want to pie their favorite teachers. Kids love the game Pie Face (is that what its called?). Im sure this is just as exciting. 3. You mention that you want to send an email to show support for a change. Are you willing to brainstorm with the PTA (or whoever is in charge) and help come up with a fundraiser that could replace this one that offers the minimal parental donation of time + money that this one has AND brings in the same amount of donations?
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Post by peaname on Sept 28, 2022 1:58:25 GMT
I think it’s old fashioned and stupid and sends kids the wrong message. Who likes public humiliation? I would send the email!
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Post by pantsonfire on Sept 28, 2022 2:00:52 GMT
How is anyone being humiliated by volunteering?
I have done a dunk tank before and loved every second of it!
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Post by manda on Sept 28, 2022 2:19:02 GMT
I worked HR at a company that did this ‘for fun’ and in an employee survey, it became apparent there were some who didn’t think it was fun and found it degrading even though they participated. We stopped doing it after that. Sometimes it takes somebody, or a few somebodies, to say something for change to happen when needed. OP, I think it couldn’t hurt to write an email s sharing your concerns and suggesting consideration of other fundraiser ideas. The principal may be grateful. 
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Post by SabrinaP on Sept 28, 2022 2:52:21 GMT
I fully admit to being a stick in the mud about this. I don’t care if my fellow teachers or admin want to do things like this, I don’t. I think we can find other things kids like that are not humiliation based.
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Post by Lexica on Sept 28, 2022 3:52:17 GMT
My son’s elementary principal always did silly things to motivate the kids from shaving his head to wearing a dress and makeup. The kids loved it and I think it made the principal less scary to the kids.
Way back when I was in school, there is no way our principal would have done anything like this. They were more into intimidation and punishment rather than motivation and fun. This was back when they made kids sweep the blacktop on their knees with a toothbrush. This was also when swats with a thick wooden paddle was allowed. Our principal had holes drilled into his paddle so that he could swing it harder with less resistance. My ex got swats frequently.
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Post by craftykitten on Sept 28, 2022 9:19:35 GMT
I don't particularly like it myself and I would never volunteer for something like that.
BUT if it is only the principal who is getting a pie in the face, that feels kind of different to me. They're poking fun at themselves and their own position. If the principal was "encouraging" junior members of staff to do it, then that would have a different tone.
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Post by J u l e e on Sept 28, 2022 10:56:15 GMT
I don’t think, even if you volunteer and think getting a pie in your face is fun, it’s the best choice for entertaining kids. I see it as completely different than a dunk tank.
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